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Say in your next astral travel or lucid dream"i see god face to face now!"Because who wouldn't god!

I saw and spoke to God in a Lucid Dream once.

But I'm not gonna tell ya what happened.

 

Hi Rudy, just because you don't understand something, it doesn't make it untrue. [...]  I find it hard to see how any one can sit back and say that hard work does not pay off.

I did not say anything was untrue.
I did not say hard work does not pay off. Not even close.

You pasted a quote of mine and replied to me personally but nothing you said thereafter had anything to do with the quoted text or anything else I have said, for that matter.

I think the poll is skewed too high. Very few reach the "5" on this scale.

My present goal is to get to twice a week, full conscious OBE. I originally set a goal of once a month when I started this and it took nearly two years of daily effort to get there.

I do not count LD as an OBE and I have doubts about the "at will, anytime I want" claims. That almost falls into full "Master of Life" category that would imply knowledge and abilities that are off the charts in other ways and I do not see that level truly out there in many cases. Maybe entering a High Illusion Dream Realm at will is what passes as OBE for some but I am talking about High Astral at least and preferably Atmic.

I had several occasions in life to look back and be thankful for having spent the time and effort to get the Science degree. The discipline and knowledge gained makes so much else so much easier later in life. And getting a job is easier - that is even more important now than ever.

You can always get a masters or Phd in one of the mickey mouse disciplines with ease later on once the BS in science and engineering is completed. In order to do research work in the psych field you need a Phd and still chances of getting good work is an iffy proposition. With just a BS in engineering you can pretty much write your ticket (although you might have to travel a lot or even move... but if that suits you so much the better).

Engineering Physics with technical electives in electrical engr field is a dynamite combo.

Bananas and nuts are a source of vitamin B6, which is believed to "wakes" the brain during REM sleep rapid eye movements, and because of it dreams are more vivid and easier to remember.
People who take large amounts of vitamin B6 have more vivid dreams and recall them in the morning, say British researchers

So, how much is a "large amount"?

I saw an angel during a huge epic OBE once. I was focused on what was going on and I did not break away to talk to it so I do not know what kind of angel it was. It was just standing nearby and observing.

Thanks Pauli.

I also found the books to be slow and boring. But that may be because I prefer hands on, Workbook type reading with practical exercises that produce observable results.

I got bogged down in the middle of book II and found that the Youtube videos were very helpful in getting a better grasp of what he was trying to say. I think it was worth several hours of my time to listen to the New York, Hawaii, and other lectures and Q&A sessions.

Just off the top of my head it seems like the only practical advice to be found can be summarized as;

* meditate every day
* eat vegetarian and very little sugar
* be nice to people

There was almost nothing in the way of how to actually get OBE.

The forum discussions have some helpful elaboration but are really ridiculously dogmatic and obtuse for the most part. The senior members and frequent contributors apparently know almost nothing about NPMR or the OBE state.

Anyone have any tips to stop getting so scared,  i really would love to find my spiritual guide, i definitely cant have my first time alone.

Try reading something inspirational before projecting and before going to bed.
Recall a warm and deeply moving event from your past and fill your awareness with it.
Fill your consciousness with "peace on Earth goodwill towards men" type ideas.

As a person grows and becomes more "virtuous", they begin to gravitate towards these higher levels. There's no desire or temptation for "sin" at this point, it's been transcended and you exist among other virtuous beings.

This is consistent with the teachings of the Masters in the Sant Mat tradition. The "Ten Commandments" observation above was a good start. It is said that the morality and ethics level of those few simple commandments is child's play and very basic. To reach the Higher levels the comportment of a Saint is required.

[learn how to look within for the cause]

There are a lot of things about the film I didn't like. The argumentation is often incomplete or simply doesn't make sense. There also seems to be a general lack of understanding of some core concepts, such as how the financial system works or why poverty exists (I'm pretty sure it's not due to a lack of free energy). As with most conspiracy theories the main motivation seems to be that the author simply cannot come to grips with some some kind of evil in the world and has to construct a system of bad guys who can be blamed for the problem.

Good observations. Yes, the "blame game" and "victim consciousness" is pervasive among modern filmmakers and is part of the destructive Liberal mindset that has gripped Western Civilization.

I think it is pretty obvious that Poverty is a State of Consciousness. That is why so many lottery winners end up declaring bankruptcy about five or ten years later. Violent crime and substance abuse is rampant. Petty theft, white collar crime, shoplifting, etc. is going on all around us, every day, all day long. Fifty years of government social programs have done absolutely nothing to improve the general welfare and often has made things worse.

Until a critical percentage of humanity can learn how to look within for the cause of the collective woes of society little to no real progress can be made. The New Millennium will only be ushered in when enough individuals start to grow up and take personal responsibility for their own condition and circumstances.

Now we have the famous "focus model" which I am not keen on. Supporters of the focus model think that an "etheric body" is just a metaphorical mental construct, and is unnecessary and unreal. But why? This is like saying that the physical body is a metaphor, unreal and unnecessary.

Exactly. Thank you.

And yes, Todd's PK experiences are good. I think that even if the wind suddenly blew and knocked the curtains off it still counts as long as the timing is close enough.

Did you check your SPAM folder?

Why would anyone order Holy Water from the other side of the world when it is free at virtually every Catholic Church anywhere in the world?

Holy Oil is also free at any Charismatic Catholic Church.

For example, if I visualize my hand holding a pen, it feels as if my hand was gigantic and the pen was tiny, or the other way around. This bizarre proportion-sensation tends to grow and whatever I visualize, it becomes either giant or small.

Ah. Sounds like the Alice in Wonderland syndrome. I think that's a good thing. There is much to learn in these 'proportion' distortions. If you are keeping a journal and sincerely thinking about finding the meaning behind them you can get a look into levels of your psyche that most people will not approach.
Class is now in session.

IMO, if it's important to you then you can find the time. A lot of people won't give up watching their favorite TV show or internet time for meditation. There's plenty of time if the desire is really there.

I think most people do not realize what a hugely destructive force television is. Beyond the mass hypnosis and brainwashing going on, just in the psychic damage alone the effects are hugely debilitating.

I basically quit watching the idiot box about 8 years ago. My wife watches it constantly so I am still exposed to it but just my choice to never turn it on when it is off is a big improvement for me.

[Man is able to affect the RAS through the breath only. No other function of the autonomic nervous system can be controlled by conscious human activity. Control of the brain through the RAS by means of conscious breathing is a method]

The voice you hear in your head spouting seemingly randomness.
Your internal dialogue.

For example, if you read my post in your head.. that's your mind chatter/internal dialogue.

Actually it might be more readily understood when phrased as a more personal thought exercise, e.g. -- if you are hearing your (own) last post in your head, rephrasing it, hearing imagined responses, re-rephrasing again, thinking about dinner, re-rephrasing again etc... *that* is mind chatter.

This breath/mind activity connection was something I noticed maybe 20 years ago after I had been meditating for a few years and at times my breathing would naturally slow way down. I began to notice the interim after exhaling and before starting the next inhale... a definite effect on mental activity.

This is noted clearly in Pranayama practice - the prana & manas (breath & mind) connection;

http://www.yogamag.net/archives/1997/ajan97/pranbran.shtml

The RAS is the trigger for other parts of the brain. Man is able to affect the RAS through the breath only. No other function of the autonomic nervous system can be controlled by conscious human activity. Control of the brain through the RAS by means of conscious breathing is a method by which other functions of the body may be controlled, for example, heart rate, blood pressure, digestion, excretion and absorption. Therefore, control of the subconscious is achieved through conscious activity of prana nigraha and then pranayama (7).

Then I heard a loud humming sound, that seemed to come from behind my headboard. It was like a bunch of lawn mowers going all at once. But when I tried to lift my (etheric arms) instead I found myself lifting my physical arms, which felt really heavy at the time. When I lifted my eye mask, I could see my niightlight in the corner of my room, and I realized I was not seeing anything unusual, and that I was once again awake, and the sound was gone. Maybe I needed to wait longer, I don't know, but it felt like I it went on forever. and I just wanted to step outside my body. Anyway, I have only been trying for about 6 or 7 weeks, and guess I need to be more patient.

"Wait longer" is the opposite of what you need to do. Just go. Right then and there.

You are one baby step away from projecting with all those separation signals blaring. No... not even that... maybe one half of a baby step.

Try to muster up a sense of urgency. Think of yourself in an airplane, at jump altitude, the door is wide open, you are over the target zone and the sergeant (who happens to be your Guardian Angel in camo-fatigues with wings sticking out the back) is screaming at you, "go, Go, GO!!!!"

Something like that.

There must be separate consciousnesses. This is what Robert Bruce said too.

But the fashion these days is to think that LD=AP so I often use the terms interchangeably, avoids endless arguments!

Yes, it seems like something along those lines is possible...

I know that I have been OBE and seemed to either have a different 'consciousness' or maybe an ability to tap in to knowledge and skill that I had no knowledge of in my normal waking physical form.

I mean like words I had never heard before coming out of my mouth, going to places that I had no prior knowledge of even existing, utilizing power and skills I never imagined...

I am Seeking answers to the questions I have about many things of this nature.

Obfuscation...

I expected as much from you.

How is concise, relevant, accurate, cogent reply "obfuscation"?

Answer; It isn't.

[your opinion]

Let's take a quick look at what you said then...
And you *DO* understand those relationships?
So that means that you know "how it works" then?
I'm waiting to hear this awesome, 100% solid, verifiable proof of this that isn't just your opinion?
Again, where's your proof?  I'm not exactly going to just take your word for it that there is "no astral afterlife in the eternal sense".  This is your opinion.

You are misinterpreting the level of discussion here. I do not need "proof" to correct someone who claims that there are 5 millimeters in a centimeter. Just a dictionary will do. There is a thing known as convention.

If you want to invent a new convention just call it something new like Squidjal Projection and make any claim you want about it.

Are you two really complaining that each others opinions are incorrect?

They're wonderful metaphors... both of them.  But in the end, they're both still opinion. 
Neither is known to be correct... or incorrect for that matter.

No.

Someone might incorrectly refer to the tires on a car as wheels. It might be a common error but it does not change the fact that the wheels and the tires are two different things.

It is not a matter of opinion.

There were a series of spontaneous OBEs and other odd events that brought me to the point where I wanted to really take up a serious study of these phnomena.

One was waking up in the middle of the night and hearing voices in the other room. It was so real that I thought someone must have left the TV on and some late night talk show was on. Usually it would fade away and I would think it was a dream and just go back to sleep. Once it was strong and persistent so I got up to go turn it off and I got out into the hallway and I could see the TV and it was off and only then did the sound start to fade away.

That was a little spooky.

It was about then when I said to myself, "alright... I really gotta try and get to the bottom of this".

[dead]

Yes, yes, you are correct from an Atmic POV, but by the time that POV becomes relevant, we would be outside the realm of illusion, in essence dead, enjoying the full amenities of an astral afterlife.

No. That's not how it works. It appears that you completely misunderstand the relationship between these worlds and realms of Consciousness.

There is no "astral afterlife" in the Eternal sense. There is an Astral transition.

The Astral realm is a material Universe with a Temporal element -- both much finer and more elusive than the physical, yet far more like the physical World than anything remotely resembling a Truly Eternal Atmic Reality and Awareness.

The vast majority of people on this board are astral projectors and have no need to see a cord.

This is something I am not so sure about. About 6 months ago I mentioned how I was beginning to suspect that most APers these days are not really Astral Projecting. They are maybe successfully getting out but then immediately slipping into a Lucid Dream. I think this is why so many people say that astral projection=Lucid dreaming=phasing. This might be that because, for them, they really *are* all the same, i.e. a type of Lucid Dream.

This is why I was intrigued by Todd's earlier suggestion about the Etheric projection.

In both occult traditions and in more modern and cynical E.J. Gold writings there is a second body that must be morphed into something more than it is in the default condition. Then it becomes useful for all manner of extraordinary Work.

The 'silver cord' is not just an ancient idea but it is pervasive across various cultures. Depending on the projection method it connects at different points to the body and it is seen as different colors. The Egyptians wrote of it as black in appearance. Others blue or gold.

From Tales of a Dalai Lama, (the Lama had just projected into the sky 'like a kite'), "But now he saw in the distance another huge kite moving toward him, its enormous silver cord lashing dangerously through the air with sounds like a gale...."
hmmmm....

I felt something that fits the description of this "silver cord" back around 1974, as a young man just starting to explore Buddhist meditation techniques.

.... Wayyyyy before I read anything about the "silver cord" specifically, that I can recall. Certainly nothing about how it tugs you at the back of the head/neck to call you back to the body after an extended and very deep inner exploration.

Those who claim it does not exist because they never saw it, sound to me, like someone who claims that there is no such thing as a pancreas because in their entire lives, they never saw one.