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Thanks for the wealth of information. I just checked out the site. I did not realize there were so many. Which are your favorites or which do you find the most interesting?

I guess it really depends on what part of your own development you're most concentrated on at the time. The titles speak for themselves as far as the topics.

If you've read "The Inner Life" then you might really next enjoy "The Chakras". I understand that it's the largest selling Theosophy publication in existence. I've owned it for about 25 years and I still reread sections even now.

I choose to see religion and spirituality as two separate things. I don't rely on churches or dogma or being part of a group belief system at all--I deal with forces and personalities which I can see and interact with. And so, even though I don't attend any church, I not only believe in angels, I interact with them a lot. They are not just an academic concept to me.

I see angels (literally) as extensions of the will of a higher consciousness, call it God or whatever. And I don't see Christian Gods and Hindu Gods or any conception of God as being separate or different--they are just different names and descriptions for the same phenomenon. Religions don't own God; and they (the men who run religions) don't set the rules either....

As for why did I call out....well, we all get in jams at times and find ourselves outmatched by something in our lives. Especially in our younger years we all tend to blindly go into situations which we end up regretting once in a while. And sometimes it's just the better part of wisdom to ask for help, get out of the jam quickly and inexpensively and learn from it. This is rather than suffer, suffer and suffer just because we are too proud to ask for help. Life is too short.

Of course, after learning to work with angels for a while it becomes plain that there is more good that can be done than just saving ones own butt. It's possible to ask them to go help other people as well.

I don't know if this is helpful. But this is what has worked for me for the last 20 years or so.

I've had enormous success by calling out to God and Heaven....just my point of view.

We all need social interaction--for sure. And I'm sure there are a lot of nice people at these gatherings you describe.

My master specifically told me not to exchange energy in ways such as you describe. It may be a bonding experience, with some upside. But the downside is the sharing of astral entities and other burdens which you don't need.

Try doing an exercise of exchanging energy with your own higher self. There is only upside to this. You get practice visualizing and moving energy, but the return currents from the higher self are always a tremendous blessing.

What I'm saying is that emotional unbalances may make NEW hard to find consistent motivation0 in, free of emotional distractions. I thought some light chakra work could help if done alongside NEW whenever such instances occur.

What you're suggesting is rather than focusing on a specific chakra, to just do a general wipe of spiritual pink fire? I have read something about this in a kundalini yoga book... so in essence, a general sense of wellbeing and purification to alleviate minor things?

Here is a good visualization of what it might look like:



You could accompany this visualization with a mantra like:

"I am forgiveness--consuming and transmuting all pain and sorrow back to light and perfect love..." something like that. Make up your own if you want.

While saying the mantra be sure to visualize and feel the flame passing through and around you. It takes a little practice to be able to attract and amplify the quantity sufficient for you to tangibly feel the flame. But it is definitely real--it's just that it's a frequency of energy which is much higher in the spectrum than we're accustomed to dealing with.

I think you should definitely experiment with whatever your higher self might be hinting for you. And that includes doing things in whatever order you want. Just watch and adjust things if you notice pain or emotional problems crop up which begin to screw up your life.

I have to say that the violet/pink flame bath which I describe above should not be underestimated. Ideally you'd want to start out with just a few minutes a day. But gradually build on this until you are able to concentrate intensely on this action for 15-30 minutes and literally feel the action in your physical body. My axiom has always been to do things until I can at least feel or see the action happening.

It was kind of hard for me to drill in to what your point is but I think you're saying that you believe some people would be better off working on the primary circuit (chakras) first before developing the energy gathering circuit. And your reason is that some people have "imbalances" or feel like "outcasts"?

Many people who come to NEW, I have a feeling are slightly imbalanced or outcasts (I know I fit both bills). Such feelings drive one desperately to seek answers and experimentation with themselves. As such, that would imply some kind of chakric imbalances, that should perhaps be fixed through simple neutral awareness of positive and negative chakral feelings.

I think you're right about energy flowing to where our attention is--such as the site of a chakra. And you're right about this being a kind of chakra clearing/developing activity. I'm just not real clear on what kind of symptoms you're trying to alleviate here by working the primary circuit first.

I could be wrong, but it sounds like you may be describing psychological pain from unpleasant past experiences which obviously do drive some of us to seek answers. It just doesn't seem to me that it is a logical conclusion that the effluvia from such emotional scars live in or around chakras. Some does--yes. But I think most of it exists as chunks of congealed emotional stuff which floats around in our astral bodies and haunts us until it is transmuted. And I personally think that it's better to transmute as much of these congealed emotional records from our auras as possible BEFORE developing more sensitivity in the chakras. Otherwise you could find yourself becoming much more acutely aware of these records and fall into states of prolonged depression due to the feeling of being unable to "turn off the painful movies" so to speak.

I may be totally off base here--maybe I didn't understand your point. But going straight into chakra clearing/developing without any general clearing/transmution of the astral records in the aura can really be a nightmare. I think an analog to this might be a bad LSD trip--one where a person with, shall we say subsurface issues, has his or her astral senses tremendously widened to the point where they are surfeited in the issue--unable to escape. I've seen examples of this myself--the only difference here being that LSD wears off in a day or so, unlike chakras which have been opened and sensitized.

Flooding the aura with prana or, better yet, violet or pink spiritual fire, will gently and gradually transmute & wash away these records. And it works on the effluvia surrounding the chakras at the same time.

I think this happens to most people--it definitely happened to me for the first 1-2 months of steady practice with energy raising.

My understanding is that during this first phase of practice the greater content of energy coursing through the energy pathways in your body causes the need for growth in those structures--kind of like an overused muscle accomodates overuse by growing stronger. Also, the greater flow of energy forces the clearing of blockages in these structures which is a  VERY tangible feeling. I remember the feeling of bubbling and pulsing happening for hours in my legs and arms during the first 1-2 months.

I think what you'll find, if you continue, is that the strong tangible feelings will go away and yield to a smooth and much less noticeable feeling. Don't dispare though if the strong feelings go away. It just means that you're going  to a higher level. Your energy gathering capacity has increased.

Definitely, yes!! These concepts are discussed here.

Did you do a search query using the terms you mention? I tried it and got over 600 references. This forum has been up for a few years and there are many quality discussions already in existence for you to peruse. Or feel free to ask a question with a new thread.

I have not read that particular book but I have read Leadbeater's book called "The Inner Life". This book touches upon all subjects of the occult and is absolutely facinating. He even talks about dream work. He is a brilliant clairvoyant who combines science with sprirituality and experience. I owe my interest in these topics to this "bible" of the unknown. Has anyone else read this?

Yes I have it and have read it more than once. It's very high quality stuff.

Since you mention it, here are a list of books by C.W. Leadbeater which I have read and which I can wholeheartedly recommend:

The Masters and the Path
The Inner Life
The Chakras
Man Visible and Invisible
Thoughtforms
Invisible Helpers
Clairvoyance
Man, Whence, How & Whither
The Lives of Alcyone

Here is a link to online (free) versions of a number of these books:

http://blavatskyarchives.com/leadbeaterbib.htm

I actually do have quite a bit more info along these same lines. It takes time to edit it down to something of the size appropriate for this forum though. And I have to be careful about intellectual property rights too.

For instance, there is a detailed explanation in this same book of how the vitality globule, once inside ones body, is broken down into component color rays, distributed to the different chakras and used. The discussion includes how this color ray distribution changes over time for one who is striving spiritually and how it affects ones spiritual senses.

Another cool topic surrounds the fact that a school of alchemy teaches us to gather an intense cloud of this same energy around us, impress upon the cloud a 3-D matrix of an object and then "decelerate" the frequency of vibration of the whole thing into physical manifestation. It's a way in which a person can precipitate a physical object such as food or jewels or whatever in a matter of minutes or seconds.

One spiritual writer hints that in it's basic use, this energy is food for the bodies of living things, both spiritual and material. But on the higher side, adepts leverage and use an incredibly more powerful facet of this energy which is kept fairly well hidden until the student has proven to be "harmless" or trustworthy.

It's a fascinating topic for me....

The little vitality globules seem to be very responsive to visualization and the human will. I have no problem attracting a dense cloud of them to me.

In fact, that's what I believe people are doing every time they do breath exercizes involving visualizing the inhalation of light energy. Just try it. Take a few slow, deep breaths without concentrating on anything in particular. Then take a few more slow deep breaths and while doing so, visualize yourself inhaling a cloud of dense, highly energetic particles.

I don't know about anyone else, but I notice a big difference. The insides of my brain get a mild rush from the prana passing through my nasal passages and I get a euphoric feeling in my trunk and sub-naval storage center from the increase in energy. But this only happens when I visualize the cloud of light energy coming in---not when I just breath deeply.

Curious to hear if anyone else notices this.

The following is a series of edited exerpts from the book "The Chakras" by Theosophist C.W. Leadbeater. I found it to be very revealing and also very relevant to the topic of New Energy Ways.

I'm curious to know how many of you have read this book or heard this description before?
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Vitality

"We all know the feeling of cheerfulness and well-being which sunlight brings to us, but only students of occultism are fully aware of the reasons for that sensation. Just as the sun floods his system with light and heat, so does he perpetually pour out into it another force as yet unsuspected by modern science, a force to which has been given the name "vitality". This is radiated on all levels, and manifests itself in each realm, physical, emotional, mental and the rest-but we are specially concerned for the moment with its appearance in the lowest, where it enters some of the physical atoms, immensely increases their activity, and makes them animated and glowing.

We must not confuse this force with electricity, though it in some ways resembles it, for its action differs in many ways from that of either electricity, light or heat. Any of the variants of this latter force cause oscillation of the atom as a whole-an oscillation the size of which is enormous as compared with that of the atom; but this other force which we call vitality comes to the atom not from without, but from within.

The atom is itself nothing but the manifestation of a force; the Solar Deity wills a certain shape which we call an ultimate physical atom. It is the will-force of the Solar Deity continually exercised which holds the atom together as such; and when we try to examine the action of that force we see that it does not come into the atom from outside, but wells up within it-which means that it enters it from higher dimensions. The same is true with regard to this other force which we call vitality; it enters the atom from within along with the force that holds that atom together, instead of acting upon it entirely from without, as do those other varieties of force which we call light, heat or electricity.

When vitality wells up thus within an atom it endows it with an additional life, and gives it a power of attraction, so that it immediately draws round it six other atoms, which it arranges in a definite form, thus making a sub-atomic or hyper-meta-proto-element, as I have already explained. But this element differs from all others which have so far been observed, in that the force which creates it and holds it together comes from the First Aspect of the Solar Deity instead of the from the Third.

These globules are conspicuous above all others which may be seen floating in the atmosphere, on account of their brilliance and extreme activity-the intensely vivid life which they show. While the force that vivifies these globules is quite different from light, it nevertheless seems to depend upon light for its power of manifestation. In brilliant sunshine this vitality is constantly welling up afresh, and the globules are generated with great rapidity and in incredible numbers, but in cloudy weather there is a great diminution in the number of globules formed, and during the night, so far as we have been able to see, the operation is entirely suspended. In the night, therefore, we may be said to be living upon the stock manufactured in the course of previous days, and though it appears practically impossible that it should ever be entirely exhausted, that stock evidently does run low when there is a long succession of cloudy days. The globule, once charged, remains as a sub-atomic element, and is not subject to any change or loss of force unless and until it is absorbed by some living creature.

Vitality, like light and heat is pouring forth from the sun continually, but obstacles frequently arise to prevent the full supply from reaching the earth. In the wintry and melancholy climes miscalled the temperate, it too often happens that for days in a row the sky is covered by a funeral pall of heavy clouds, and this affects vitality just as it does light; it does not altogether hinder its passage, but sensibly diminishes its amount. Therefore in dull and dark weather vitality runs low, and over all living creatures there comes an instinctive yearning for sunlight.

When vitalized atoms are thus more sparsely scattered, the man in good health increases his power of absorption, depletes a larger area, and so keeps his strength at the normal level; but invalids and men of small nerve-force, who cannot do this, often suffer severely, and find themselves growing weaker and more irritable without knowing why. For similar reasons vitality is at a lower ebb in the winter than in the summer, for even if the short winter day be sunny, which is more rare, we have still to face the long and dreary winter night, during which we must exist upon such vitality as the day has stored in our atmosphere. On the other hand the long summer day, when bright and cloudless, charges the atmosphere so thoroughly with vitality that its short night makes but little difference.

The vitality globule, though inconceivably minute, is so brilliant that it is often seen even by those who are not in the ordinary sense clairvoyant. Many a man, looking out towards the distant horizon, especially over the sea, will notice against the sky a number of the tiniest possible points of light dashing about in all directions with amazing rapidity. These the vitality globules, each consisting of seven physical atoms, specks charged with that force which the Hindus call prana.

The physical body of man has a certain blind instinctive consciousness of its own, which we sometimes call the physical elemental. It corresponds in the physical world to the desire-elemental of the astral body; and this consciousness seeks always to protect its body from danger, or to procure for it whatever may be necessary. This is entirely apart from the consciousness of the man himself, and it works equally well during the absence of the ego from the physical body during sleep. All our instinctive movements are due to it, and it is through its activity that the working of the sympathetic system is carried on ceaselessly without any thought or knowledge on our part.

While we are awake, this physical elemental is perpetually occupied in self-defense; he is in a condition of constant vigilance, and he keeps the nerves and muscles always somewhat tense. During the night or at any time when we sleep he lets the nerves and muscles relax, and devotes himself specially to the assimilation of vitality and recuperation of the physical body. He works at this most successfully during the early part of the night, because then there is plenty of vitality, whereas immediately before the dawn the vitality which has been left behind by the sunlight is less dense or available. This is the reason for the proverb which says that an hour's sleep before midnight is worth two hours after it. The work of this physical elemental accounts for the strong recuperative influence of sleep, which is often observable even when it is a mere momentary nap."

Would it help if I did this....

I had the same problem as you mention when I had just started NEW. I'm a very visually oriented person too. And since we depend on visual feedback more than other faculties, it's not unusual that another faculty, in this case the tactile, is less useful to us or even somewhat dormant.

That's how it appeared to me, so I just hung in there and practiced even more until I had built up a greater momentum of mastery over this faculty. It was well worth the effort.

Can you feel the prana energy tingling your feet and hands and can you feel the bubbling/rushing sensations in your limbs when you practice? Don't get too hung up on the exercises themselves--they are a means to an end. Almost everyone, myself included, would tell you that after a few months of practice you gain the ability to move the energy purely as an act of will--much as you would lift your arm or take a breath. It's not exactly tactile or visual; you just do it. The exercises will get you there the quickest though.

Once again I have to say that the effort and inconvenience to learn this is well worth it. I don't have to spend any time at all doing energy gathering now. What I mean by that is that I do it while watching TV or sitting in boring meetings at work, etc. It definitely helps to have concentrated, dedicated times each day for practice in the beginning though.

Good luck!! I hope this helps. Just keep after it and reread the instructions once in a while. It will help.

violetrose,

No worries!! I'm not upset or anything. I'm mostly just amused....

Karmaless? I don't think so.
Anyway, if by treading it in its fullest you mean, reaching the 'higher consciousness' and being a adept and all of that then no, but I have trodden the right hand path as fully as anyone else has on this forum (except for perhaps people like robert bruce) so as much as you have.

REALLY!!

I guess it's funny that you and I have arrived at such distinctly different conclusions, considering that we have had the same experiences (as you assert).....

Actually, I think it's funny that you think you know anything about me. You couldn't have gotten it from reading my posts.

Dear Boydster,

I feel that karma is merely the second law of thermodynamics.  For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.  By opposite it is meant the force applied comes back on you.  As long as we act in this world or act upon this world and within this universe which holds to physical laws (like the second law of thermodynamics) karma is unavoidable.  Though we may get a wee bit smarter about the type of karma we incure.

Best Wishes to you,
violetrose

I agree with your definition of karma. My use of the word "karmaless" was in the spirit of the old occult dispensations where it means "without negative or binding karma".

A saint cetainly creates motion in the akasha with each thought, emotion or action. But the nature of the impulses of one such as these is confined almost entirely to positive, integrative actions. Therefor the momentum which is built up, and the return current thereof consists almost entirely of blessings.

Somehow along the line it became common to use the phrase "karma" for bad karma but not good karma. But technically, the word is more generic in meaning.

Violet Rose, I appreciate your insight and the vibrations from your heart.

Aryanknight,

I think you're using phrases such as:

"and I have trodden the right hand path, 'in its fullest'.

very lightly. Which is something it is better not to do.

Partaking of the inner mysteries of the RHP is not about reading books or understanding things in an intellectual way. Treading the RHP in it's fullest and to it's logical end is to become an adept. These Ones have conquered the laws of physics and time and space. They are karmaless. And they do exist--regardless of your assertions. Who do you think is teaching & mentoring those of us who are wed to this path???

You are certainly free to follow the path you choose. But I assert that you do not understand as much about the RHP as you believe you do.

Well like you said, its your personal veiw. You are stating everything from your personal veiw. You are saying 'I can't understand why dark magicians praise the ego/lower self' because after death it all fades away on the astral and we have to return to the source or whatever. But you are treating this as though it is the complete and absolute truth and that everyone knows about it. You should beleive everything you read in a New Age book. Just this comment in itself 'ego/lower self' why does the ego have to be the lower self? I hope you understand that modern spiritualism/New Age is a religion just like christianity, judaism and islam and is no different in that it is full of dogma and behaves like it is the complete and absolute truth.

I don't think you can put peoples belief systems into a box like that. Especially not this group---

Most people here would tell you that their understanding of reality is an ad hock mixture of personal observations and investigations along with reviewing the findings of a lot of different religions and belief systems, many of which are ancient. You take the parts of all of these systems which are consistent with each other and you get a picture which a surprisingly large number of people agree on. This is not my definition of a simpleton reading a book and going gaga over a highly debatable idea.

Trashing peoples ideas by labeling them new-age or whatever doesn't hold any water here at all.

I can tell you where I feel it in me--

Imagine pushing a rod into the ball of your hip socket, at the top of the femur from the side (not the "hip" at the top of the pelvis where your beltline is, it's lower down; the top part of your leg). If you pushed it all the way through, it would emerge very high up on the inside of your leg, near the very top of your crotch. I feel the two poles of the hip center to be where the ends of the imaginary rod are. If I just think of ithat area they start to buzz....

In your diagram, it's about where the arrow points for "palms", but on the leg.

Hope this helps.

What I do to overcome difficulties is increase my efforts and the consistency of practice. All effort seems to build momentum which will overcome just about anything.

Hmmm....I had a similar problem for about 4 years. I would feel tired and sleepy so I would go to bed. But then something would stop me from actually passing out unconscious for many hours. I'd lay there trying to think of nothing and actually relaxing just fine. But it would be 3, 4 or 5am before I actually drifted off to sleep for a few hours. Either that, or else I'd fall asleep right away at 10 or 11pm and then wake up at 2 or 3am and never fall asleep again.

The effect is that I'd feel dreadful the whole next day at work--just burned out and kind of joyless. And this sleeplessness sometimes would last 3 days in a row or more before I would finally get maybe 6 unbroken hours of sleep.

I went to a sleep disorder doctor and she told me that, unfortunately, the hormones that a person needs to fall into a deep restful sleep are actually synthesized in the body during-------sleep. So if you are getting low on sleep, then your body can actually get into a self perpetuating spin cycle of burned out tired/but can't sleep either.

I looked at the problem from many angles in my attempt to fix things and one important piece of the puzzle seemed to be the fact that during sleep, the average person ingests most of the prana he needs for the next day. I found this out by reading from many sources including Theosophy and RB.

So I investigated whether adding a greater supply of prana could at least relieve the burned out feeling from lack of sleep and low vitality/prana. That's when I discovered NEW. I started practicing NEW on a daily basis about a year ago and since then, not only have I been able to boost my vitality during stressful/overworked periods, I also haven't been sick once and my whole sleep problem has completely gone away. I sleep for around 6-7 hours every night now which, along with the added prana I ingest via NEW, keeps me brimming with vitality all the time now.

I simply can't say enough about the efficacy of regular NEW practice. I believe that the basic action of NEW (breathing in prana through the extremities to clear out density and to enhance the store of personal vitality) is probably something which adepts and yogis throughout the ages have known about and practiced.

This is very interesting to me. Are you guys saying that you don't notice greater or lesser densities of prana in different areas or according to weather, etc.

I'm not saying that if I'm in a low density situation that I just give up and don't try. I can certainly still fill myself up even in sparse conditions (you just have to work a lot harder). But I feel that I can sense a range of prana density of about 1x to 8x. It's cool when you hit those really rich areas.

I actually believe that you can access energy from anywhere... but that might just be me... i firmly believe that everything is interconnected so I believe that even if in an office with no windows of appliances you can still get the same amount of energy as compared to being in direct sunlight in a beautiful setting

what do you think about this concept?

Hmmm--I agree with you to a certain extent. Even when I'm in a low energy density situation, I can focus my attention and will upon a large area, say 10-100 feet around me and attract and aggregate what (smaller amount of) vitality globules there are available into an area close to me and then pull them into my lungs, hands and feet. Is that what you're talking about?

The specific energy that I'm talking about is what is called prana--the tiny energy globules which spring into being in our atmosphere as a result of the tremendous energy poured out from the sun. It's something that I've observed that in the shortened days of winter and on overcast days there is definitely less of this phenomenon present. Peoples health is lower, animals hybernate, plants go dormant--these all could be, in part, due to the lack of this energy during winter.

Shift_tao, are you saying that you believe this energy is not subject to the idea of locality? If so, I guess you could make it so with the right perspective. I can change my perspective to that of "no time or space" with a lot of quiet meditation and effort. But when I'm bustling through my normal type of day I am pretty grounded in an ordinary physical type of consciousness. And when my perspective is such, I seem to be far more a subject to the ordinary laws of time and space and locality.

Is that what you're referring to?

Hey Runlola,

Trinity is definitely you!! Would ya stick with her for a while?

You were spooking me out with some of those other babes....

This is very interesting to me. Are you guys saying that you don't notice greater or lesser densities of prana in different areas or according to weather, etc.

I'm not saying that if I'm in a low density situation that I just give up and don't try. I can certainly still fill myself up even in sparse conditions (you just have to work a lot harder). But I feel that I can sense a range of prana density of about 1x to 8x. It's cool when you hit those really rich areas.