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Hello Nameless and Dragonscrying,

In the first place I would like to thank you for your kind words and insights!
Really appreciate this and maybe also some lurking people as I mostly do.
This is exact the reason why I only send posts on this forum.

Nameless was I think spot-on on the second part of the dream.
It's probably my rational mind what is trying to incorporate the Elsa part within the 'company'.
Someone warned me that this is of no use and have to take advice from Elsa face value.
After all not that complicated 

Because English is not my primairy language I don't think there is a connection with Elsa and 'else'.
Dragonscrying may be right about another part of me. Thinking about it,
Elsa looks a bit like a female variant of my name, maybe represents intuition?

The page numbering could have something to do with my age. I am 53 maybe something initiated at 48 and really started off at 50?
The comment of Dragonscrying about the blank pages (of a purchase order book) as new beginnings put me on this track.

This is to my opinion overall a beautiful explanation and a good recall!
Once again many thanks for your insight!

Erik

Hello fellow members,

I would like to share dream I had last night, not so common I think.

First I give you a background story about a childhood fear of mine.
As a child I red a story about a nun bricked in alive as a human sacrifice to keep the building safe from misfortune.
The opposite happened, disaster befell the future residents of that mansion.
The act of bricking in alive, a scary drawing of a nun and the sentence: 'at the moment no one lives at that place except for the nun thats still lingering around',  freaked me out.
Had some nightmares in those days.
As an adult, well you know it's quite the common campfire ghost story  .

Part 1.
Last night in a dream I opened a purchase order book belonging to someone named Elsa.
I went straight to page 48 because I someway knew my 'beloved' nun would appear there. To my surprise there wasn't a page 48. The numbering started at page 50 and all pages before were numbered as page 1.
All the pages were blank. Well my nun must be in here, so I looked further and finally I found her. It was an eerie face drawing with text: 'dead thing, don't buy, gives only trouble'.

Part 2.
I was probably a ceo of a company who was giving a presentation on a slide board about Elsa and her purchase book. She would join or team or we intended to cooperate with her.
First I wanted to resolve the strange numbering of her book because none of my colleagues would be able to work with that system.
A male voice said:
Rule one, Elsa has always right. Rule two, if she is not right rule one applies.
And do not try to assign a manager on her, that person will have a hell of a time.
Should I write this on the slideboard?
Answer: No, but mention it verbally to your staff.

So my ideas about this:
- Going straight to a childhood fear was a very courageous act, even looking further when didn't find it instantly.
- 'Not buy gives only trouble' was solid advice to forget about it.
- I didn't see any face in my dream, all communication was telepathic, only saw the book and the slide board.

I really can't figure out who Elsa is. And who was that other (male) voice. Is it a part of me? Elsa is not a common name where I coming from. The only Elsa I found on Internet was a Disney character I don't know.
Have someone of you had a simular experience, or have any idea how to place those characters?
Some insight would be appreciated!

Erik

ho ho ho, merry xmas and a happy new year from the Netherlands!

Last night I did an effort to visualize the island. I am doing this kind of excerise between sleep cycles. My focus was on a D-Day kind of landing on the shore with a pyramid on the horizon.
I ended up somewhere in Central or South America in the jungle in the neighbourhood of some old Aztec/Incan/Mayan temple what looked like a pyramid. I have almost no knowledge about ancient Indian culture, so excuse me if I am wrong. Could be an astral version or just fantasy (also astral version lol!).
Not the Island but it was a nice trip!

Regards,

Erik

[The National Archives in Washington D.C.]

Hi Nameless,

Thanks for your reply!
I think you are right and have to follow my own instincts and wait for more to come.
When I think about it, it took me years to understand the symbolism of 'normal' recurring dreams. Some are universal, some are personal.
Some dreams are just the scientific explanation of processing events of te day.
Sometimes I am still puzzled.

I have a nice addition,
I was looking for a temple structure on the Internet and I found exactly the building of my dream:
The National Archives in Washington D.C.
It's really weird, this is spot on the building in the right colour. It has also that authorian impression where I talked about.
For your information, I have never been in the U.S. in my life and was not familiar with this building.
What I do know is that in the U.S. Greek/Roman facades are popular so I was looking for U.S government buildings, banks, palace of justice and so on.

The only thing is that there is no square and no deity statue.
To stay in American mood, maybe it was a totem pole (more deities in one statue).
Maybe does the statue exist somewhere else  ,


I am going to look for it.

Love this journey!

Regards,

Erik

Hello everyone,

Last night I had a dream where I hit a parked motorcycle while driving an old car of my youth and hoped that nobody saw me.
I fled but not by car but on a bicycle and because of this weirdness I became probably lucid.

This was the first time I managed to change my dream environment. Progression!  
I was cycling along bushes and had the idea to change the color of the leafs from green to purple and it happend!
All trees and bushes became purple. After this I thought, yeah but this is only a dream environment so I flush it away and I am going to do something different.
The scenery disappeared but instead of a void I expected, I came into another scenery.

I stood before a big square with a kind of temple. The building was grey, had the massive look of Fort Knox with an ancient Greek/Roman facade of pillars.
On the square was a statue of some kind of deity. It were two deities integrated in one in the style of Egyptian mythology.
It is hard to me to put this in English but it had a stern, authorian atmosphere. There were no living beings out there (except the deity maybe )

Then I woke up.
This temple confused me. In no way this could be something out of my imagination. I have no special interest in temples or Egyptian mythology.
The quality of the scenery puzzled me, it was as sharp and detailed as in 'real' life but it is not an existing building I am aware of.

My question is to more experienced LD'ers.
Are this kind of LD's common?
Should I intepret events happening in LD's the same as 'normal' dream symbolism? Like water, something met emotion etc?

Thanks in advance for your reply!

Kind regards,

Erik

First I would like to thank Lumanza and EscapeVelocity for the comprehensive and meaningful replies!
It really helps me and I hope other readers. It is hard to get valuable information about this subject.

Lumanza,
When I got into daydreaming I missed the purpose why I laying there without regretting it afterwards   .
What I have red, Nicholai Tesla was also famous of his ability to visualize and could detect flaws in his inventions without using prototypes.

EscapeVelocity, I will use your stated affirmations at night. I did already but not so firm.

I already have some experience with sending gratitude.
It should be in the dreams section but I'll keep it short.
First I dreamed that I was in my house of my childhood and entered the bathroom. I was attacked by a shower curtain or a piece of garment, not sure.
I woke up and felt asleep again, I was again in the house. I heard a repeatedly sound like shaking dices in a dice cup, I became lucid.
I tried to track the origin of the sound, it was in the backroom. I still did hear the sound but saw nothing. At that moment I knew the purpose of the sound was to become lucid.
Then I went to investigate the shower to identify what attacked me before. The door handle was real cold metal, the door was real wood and I could not go through it.
I opened the door and there was just a bathroom without attacking garments  . I think it was some kind of fear test, but I was more curious than scared.

When I woke up I thanked whatever shaked the dices, at that moment I spontaneous got a kind of kinetic woosh all over my body. My interpretation: 'no thanks'

I forgot to mention something about my excersise. It's hard for me to detect my etheric body, I am full of doubt how to sense it.
I know it's hard to describe a feeling but can someone give me some direction in how to sense it?

Greetings,

Erik

Hi Everyone,

I am still practicing and will keep practicing. OBE or not, learning to relax makes always a better person.
Unfortunateley, I made no progress and have no OBE experiences, only some daydreaming states.

However, last time I become more often lucid in dreams where I freely can experiment with objects and location. But with a lot of restrictions!
The quality of most 'normal' dreams increased. They are clear, easy to explain and contain value.

I have the feeling I am in a learning curve and just have to be patient.

Happy Holidays, merry X-mas and a happy new year with a lot of conscious AP's OBE's and lD's 

Hi fellow practitioners,

Here an update,

Last monday I caught a cold and was feverish this week.
I did some techniques but nothing interesting to report.

Today I did two sessions.
The first session failed half time because my mind and body were too active, I think as a result of a few days too less activity.

The second session was much better.
- Started with overall relaxation of body.
- Deep breathing exercise, I got a bit oxygene high.
- Color breathing purple to yellow.
- I sometimes lost awareness for short time, what I have noticed is I sometimes forgot to breath, could be an explanation for my grasping for air.
- I got in a nice, hovering, light feeling state. I lost sense of time and space. At the moment I realised this, even when my analytical mind kicked in, I was not able to localize the position of my body directly. So I had a full aware floating experience! I had the feeling I was hovering somewhat above my body.
- I got back in physical reality because of the sound of a referee whistle. Of course this was a phantom whistle because I had set the alarm of my phone, but the whistle was about 10 minutes too early.
The only strange thing is that I at the moment honestly thought that the whistle was the set alarm to wake up while I know afterwards this wasn't true.

So I think I am making progression.
However a difference with the description of other practitioners is that I had the feeling when I became aware, my whole body was out. I don't have the experience of having e.g. one etherical hand out yet.

Afterwards I studied the colour breathing tread with Frank Kepple and the excerise he did, this is a real fascinating subject.

Looking forward to read your reports!

Erik

I've done some excercises but I was feverish last night. I think I come very close to the MABA state. Itching trouble has declined and mind is not so busy.
At this moment I try to move an etheric hand or foot but no success. I catch myself trying it physically, my hand/feet has some tension at that moment.

I concur with Lumanza's remark about the kick back and relax technique. When lying flat I get some straint around my elbows in time.
So in my opinion it is more of an casual excercise while eg watching tv.

My practice at this moment:

- Lie down, breathing in/out
- Use the chest of Robert Monroe to put in my daily issues.
- Apply colour breathing, I think it is quite powerful.
- Progressive relaxation.
- More colour breathing.
- When I have the idea I am fully relaxed I try to wiggle my hands / feet.
- More colour breathing.
- More relaxation.
etc.
Until it's time to stop. My lower back is going to ache after about 40 minutes.

Hi practitioners,

I also had planned to report after a week, but after the comprehensive story of Lumaza I had to react.
It take courage to place such a personal story on a public forum! But very much appreciated!
I have never heard a real life story of demonic influences on people in my life. Always thought this was a subject of movies and means to keep religious people at bay with fear.

My story is quite different but I have really to think over how I find this forum and why I am practicing the use of etheric bodies (LOL, tell about this on your work or family!).

About a month ago I had the named doorbell experience when I woke up in the night. I live in an closed apartment and it was the sound of my front door, this could only be one of my neighbours who were asleep at that time. So this was definately a non physical bell, but the sound was very physicial!

I do the excercise about two times a day.
In the morning I have to deal with itching and later in the day or at night with monkey mind issues.
This morning my body was quiet numb. When I started the 'pinball' excercise I suddenly felt a kind of mild panic and became short on breath (or I became short on breath an panicked, can't remember)
Don't have an explanation why I panicked but it snapped me out of the exercise.
Maybe someone of you ever had the same experience, otherwise I have to deal with this also.

So it is not running so smooth but I think I am waaaaaay back in development comparing with you people!


Greetings, Erik

Count me in!
I am coincidentally already doing a 'lying flat in bed' excercise since this week (except with pillow, I skip this now).
When I do this between sleep cycles I sometimes get an intense vibrational state, but this state also disappears as fast as it came!

First I like to thank you for your offer to help people to learn direct projecting.

Something about my background:
Because I have a sleep cycle between 1,5 to 2 hours I have a kind of 'talent' towards indirect projecting.
I am a vivid dreamer, can remember everything. A daily log would become a novel and writing everything down would get me sleep deprivation.
At night I also see a progression in quality of dreams, it starts with processing daily events/garbage, later symbolic/story telling, at last very aware with control of my thoughts and actions.
When I find out that something is not ok in the scenery I getting sometimes lucid.

With direct projection I am not so successful.
I tried Robert Monroe's gateway experience, meditation and Frank Kepple's method.
With all methods I get in a daydreaming state. It's a very pleasant experience but it doesn't bring me to direct projection.
Robert calls me back much too early with his program lol!

So I think my problem is that I get more in alfa brainwave state instead of theta.
It would be great to learn direct projecting and would be committed in doing so but as long as I cannot circumvent daydreaming state I think I am a bad student.


Regards,

Erik

Thanks for the advice EscapeVelocity!

The first element of the teaching seems to be to slow down, stop the mental chatter, control the emotions and pay attention to what the current environment is trying to show us

Last time I am  practizing awareness in daily life. The idea was that it's sometimes hard to recall things and conversations in a normal day, let alone in dream/projection state.
I think that this is the main cause of my progress. As below as above as the saying goes.

I never would have realized this as quickly on my own, without Szaxx and Lumaza giving me the benefit of their knowledge

I think it is very hard to develop without some basic knowledge and guidance from other people.
Most people would probably freak out with an OBE experience and consider it a nighmare or something unholy.

Cheers,

Erik

Hi Nameless and Lumaza,
Thanks for your advice and encouraging words.
Really appreciating it!

I think both things nameless mentioned applies to me.
It was the first time since years I was consiously past lucid dreaming.
Patience is not my strong point, I also practicing patience in daily life.

What Lumaza describes about become lucid in dreams is where I am at the moment. I have this about twice a week.
I will try a more observative, exploring approach instead of asking things to happen.

Anyway thanks and I will report later.

Erik

I promised to drop in on the forum for questions and reports.
Both are in this post!
I am not a native English speaker so excuse me for grammar faults.


In a dream or OBE I was in the hallway of my house, wasn't consciously aware.
One moment I had the idea to slam the bedroom door on my fingers.
When I thought what a stupid idea this was I became aware, returned to my body but didn't get awake in 'reality'.

For my eyes it was pitch black but I hear a combination of a sound.
First was like an accelerating motorcycle shifting gears only with a higher pitch than a real motorcycle.
Second sound was a wind like opening a car window while driving on a highway.

The sound gave me an impression of movement but on the other side I had the idea I did not move at all.
My impression was that I was a few feet away from my body.
Mind was crystal clear, even more clear than in daily life because I didnt't have internal chatter.

At that moment I tried:
Open eyes: everything stays black
Try to visit my mother (other location): nothing happens.
Command: clear sight now, what I red in a book, nothing happens.

I wasn't scared at all, tried not to be too enthusiastic but unfortunately everything stays black.
In my perception all this took about one minute before I woke up.

After awakening I did focussing on third eye thinking about love and light, got instant vibrations.
(I've also red that and worked great)

It was after all a great experience only I have a feeling that I spoiled a chance for more.
It would be great to step through the darkness.
In general, with lucid dreaming, when calling that it's a dream and it's fake I got blackness
or I stay in the dream scenery without any people or action, like a 3d painting.

Do you experienced projecters have an advice what to do how to pass through this state?

Greetings and kind regards!

Erik

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for your posts.
I second Pelican that this would be the first forum I post questions and journals.

There is actually no "should be" as you say. Our experiences are all different and each has the same value. Comparing them can be fun and sometimes even lead to insights, but your experiences are you own and no one can take them from you or re-interpret them. And fuzziness is a lot of what even experienced projectors/dreamers get, too. Sometimes (at least for me) the fun is in making sense of the fuzzy stuff (even more than about the clearer memories), such as dream symbol interpretations.

When thinking about it I think you are right.
General belief systems and media are probably a greater influence than fellow projectors/dreamers.

Years ago when people talked about an astral world I expected angelic, floating, transparent beings with a stern voice.
Until I had a not lucid but very strong and clear dream where somebody told me that I watch too much silly movies!
This dream was a milestone, it took away a lot of fear and certain expectations.
Mostly I meet normal everyday, joking and nagging people in dreams, never have seen something transparent.

But maybe someone else get this kind of angels and shouldn't expect normal people, that makes it a difficult subject.

Regards Erik

Hi Nameless,

English is not my primary language so excuse me for grammar faults.

I have been lurking on the forum now and then for a few years already.
This has to do with the wealth of information and references on the subject of OBE and phasing, like Frank Kepple's archive.
I got interested in OBE and phasing after a few personal experiences (especially in childhood) and reading the books of Robert Monroe.

To answer your questions:
For me it's kind of hard to talk about these subjects on a forum because:
- My experiences on OBE and phasing are too fuzzy and I doubt about the value of the experiences to share with forum members.
  I only have some 'clear' results with lucid dreaming.
- As some people here and on other boards stated, it's about personal experience and there's a risk to get certain expectations how something should be, what may hamper someone's experience.

Hope you have some information why I stay silent but are very interested on the subjects.

Kind regards,

Erik