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I remember some program (tv?) where a lady talked about a recurring dream of wolves attacking her and eating some specific part of her body, her intestines or something.  Very disturbing for her, you can imagine.  She later was diagnosed with stomach cancer. It's not something that I have experienced, but maybe someone on the forum will have something personal to contribute here.

As for the mind/consciousness being smart enough to compose such a message and send it to you via a dream..  I find that my body knows better than I do plenty of times; a slight shake in my hand as I'm about to do something wrong, a fall in my gut when a girl I admire is near, a seeming failure of my tongue to cooperate when I'm about to say something that I'll later regret.  

I don't try to figure out exactly how the body participates in what we think of as intelligence.  I am of the opinion that it does act intelligently, however the mechanism.

Qui-gon Jinn,

In dreams, your attitude and expectations control how the movement occurs and feels.  If you expect to feel the pull of gravity, you will (and go back to the ground, too). If you expect to feel strain when going faster, you can feel that as well.  My post on the lucid-dream forum, "forgetting to have limits" describes a bit about the type of mental "power" that controls dreams.  Using this method you don't need to feel anything at all, other than feeling and moving your expectations.   You did want a big lesson right? not just a little-one?  Heh, heh..

In OBE it's more like your skating story.  Movement is easier (far enough away from your body, anyways). It's the control that takes some developing.  Careening through the piano trying to get out the front door, that type of thing.

As for learning in dreams, yes.  Working on martial arts for a while, I had a dream that dramatically improved my abilities by showing me a fine point (re:body movement) that I had been missing. Or how about this one-- we are less able to fool people than we think.  

It's certainly not hard to learn that lesson in a dream.

Good learning to all.

The meaning of life can be accessed through the goal of life.

The goal of life is to be and to do everything that you desire-- without making your situation worse.

It's always that clause at the end that gets you.

Edited by - reclining orb on 05 April 2002  20:43:44

If you'd only asked about a club sandwich, I'd have to go with the Klingon Empire.

One time I had a dream where i started to shift to the astral.  Suddenly I am before a portal that opens into the most beautiful nature area.  The swirling of clouds somehow intermingled with water and connected to areas of warm grass and shady forests. I bonked my head trying to go through.  No entrance allowed.  Still trying to find a way in, two beings appeared by me.  They were identical, blue, female beings (about half human size).  They escorted me back to the astral vicinity of my house.  They seemed nice enough.

The "doorway" was to the Summerland, I guess. Read Robert's description in AD. I agree with everything that he says about it.

One time I challenged a character in my dream to say something that I couldn't read and finish saying before he had fully spoken.  I had him for a while where I finished every thought that he started.  (cause I know he's just a part of me, right?) Then he looked up and said, "Window Necromancy." Ok, you got me.  

Just illustrates Inguma's point don't ya think? A part of me and a part of something else perhaps? who knows..

Inguma, I'd like to hear more about the "button" re: projection-reflex .  I get a feeling that if you put it in different words that would help me to understand.

Inguma,

"Mental Spark" is a great term. Inguma is on the money with that term.
And I can agree with lots of territory between Clairaudience and Telepathy that all use Mental Sparks of varying qualities and strengths.  That brings up a great question: How to tell if a mental spark (the mental energy accompanying a thought) is from your own mind or an outside source?

One test I use is if the thought expresses itself in a distinctive "voice." Choice of words, placement of emphasis are two good examples.
A dead giveaway is if the "words" used (mental words, admittedly) are ones that I barely have in my vocabulary.
You can also try to feel the nature of the source of the communication.


Any other ways to identify internal versus external source?


P.S. happy synchronicity with your fish

Common sense: take things easy for a bit and give that good feeling a chance to get nice and settled.

Routes of inquiry:
1) Can you think of anything going on in your life/thoughts/feelings that might have led to the 2nd experience?

2) Did you examine the relationship between the presumed experiments and your state of being?

3) Are you back to having regular dreams?

4)Ask yourself, what questions should I be asking?

Best wishes.

The trouble with classifying astral wildlife is a question of perspective and spiritual development.  If advanced beings encountered me might they not think of me as astral wildlife?

I ran into a cricket that I picked up and it spoke directly (clairaudience) with perfect authority on how to help two of my friends (a married couple) better deal with some issues affecting their relationship.  Who was the "low-level being" there? ME or the cricket? Nice sense of humor presenting itself as a talking cricket, don't you think?  

I guess that, rather than appearance, the defining attibute of astral wildlife is a being whose primary motivation is hunger.  Even humans can fit that definition.

Agree with Dj Midget Man

Body awareness is key.  If you know where your actual body is at one moment, and the next moment you are dreaming (no more body) then that is a WILD.  If you "wake-up" (but are still dreaming or in between) and can't locate your body 100% and then go back to dreaming, that is not a WILD.  It's a moment of lucidity near the threshold of being awake.  Like a fish that comes up near the surface of the water and looks at the sky.  A WILD would be a fish that jumps clear and then splashes back in. odd little metaphor

Hey Inguma!

This point is a little tough to get at directly.  Let me try an analogy.  Can you think of someone you know who gets easily afraid by something that doesn't bother you much?  (I can think of my Dad, who stomps on the floor of the car as a passenger whenever he sees a car across the intersection roll even a TINY bit forward)  He would tell you that he has no choice in being afraid at those moments; his experience as a motorcycle rider makes even slight driving concerns potentially deadly in his frame of mind.  Let's make a distinction between Level of energy and Type of energy.  At that moment, my Dad clearly experiences more energy than I do (for me it's just a ho-hum driving moment).  That is hard to change.  But what about the nature of the energy.  Couldn't he take that awareness and intensity and put it into some other action than stomping on the floor?  How about very carefully (so as not to startle me) saying, "Watch him."  Would a reaction of that nature still be called fear?  If so, then I agree with you, I get flooded with fear all the time.  Whether you call it fear or not, what I am pointing to is on the side of the event which can be controlled. My martial arts instructor says it's ok to let your hair stand on end; that's feeling the dynamic energy of the encounter.  So how is that different from fear? well, it depends on "what" else you are doing.  You could say its a question of the nature as opposed to the amount of energy.

You might get some additional ideas if you check my post "forgetting to have limits"  the type of feeling/energy development I am suggesting here is also pointed to there.  

Chris, something you said made me think.

You said that you can get a feel for entities/people in general and know when they are misrepresenting themselves.  I tend to agree with that statement, in that I also read people rather well, and I certainly agree that in dreams/astral experience its particularly easy to do.

However, I have an experience that defies it (I think).  An advanced being in one of my dreams was demonstrating how to become invisible in the astral.  He disappeared right in front of me and then appeared again in slow-motion, kind of showing me how the trick was accomplished.  What i find interesting is that I was trying to do exactly as you discussed, trying to find/feel him by his energy when he was invisible.  No such luck.  I even knew psychically that he hadn't moved at all, but I couldn't sense it energetically.  (and that psychic impression I suspect was intentionally allowed by the being)

My question is, do any of you (who feel like Chris & I that you have a good "radar") have experience with entities that are undetectable or unreadable?  My experience is too limited to draw any definite conclusions.  A stealth technology for the astral, hmm...

The sound should surprise you.  Clairaudience is almost always surprising, because the activation of the audio channel cuts very close to where central awareness "sits."  How to explain?  When a character in a dream talks to you it's like a bubble-conversation in a cartoon, the words are there but the impression of them is more conceptual than physical.  When the audio channel gets direct stimulation that's more like a phone call jumping you out of bed at night.  The experience hits much closer to the home of your awareness. Get the difference?  It's not out there, but very much in here.

Complicating matters, having experienced some clairaudience, the mind can mimic it in a dream (in a more conceptual way).  Just like characters in comic books can communicate telepathically (just put the words in italics).  It's not the same thing, of course. I hope that helps you get the concept.  The experience of clairaudience will be obvious. It'll blow you away.  Like my uncle used to tell me as an anxious beginning angler, "Don't worry, you'll KNOW when there is a fish on the line."

Advanced spiritual entities can easily switch you back & forth between a sleeping paralysis condition and a regular dream state.  I have had a couple of such experiences.  Such entities also have deft control of your waking/sleeping threshold.  I find it more useful to cooperate with such influences in order to see what they have to communicate, rather than fight the sleep-paralysis and try to wake up.  

I can certainly get a little unglued in the presence of such entities, but feel that a lot of my fear is my own responsibility.  I have yet to experience anything that suggests I can't handle myself in such situations if only I can keep my composure.  Having a relaxed, easy-going and curious disposition does a lot to make these experiences fascinating and enjoyable rather than tense and forbidding.  I even think some of these entities are totally benevolent when they come across in a scary manner-- they are just doing me a favor by broadcasting my fears back at me to make me aware of the effect I am exerting on the sensitive astral matter around me. See Astral Dynamics for a primer on the malleable nature of astral matter.  

In Buddhist thought only a mind like a clear mirror can make accurate observations of another.  If you find yourself tormented by aggressors, check the lens as well as the view.