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Thank you all for your interaction with me. Great stuff here and much to think about. Appreciate your time!

Does anyone know of someone who has put together a comparison of The Focus Model with what The Ra Material teaches? I'm a novice but I seem some crossover between the two teachings.

Here's another question regarding the difference between lucid dreaming and a more wakeful awareness of projection into Focus 2.

Since both levels of awareness take place in Focus 2 "dreamworld" where it's your own mind seeing an objective view of your internal subjective world where you can create your reality, what would be the difference in purpose for yourself? In other words, if both include being able to paint your own reality from all the "stuff" within you, what's the benefit of projecting into Focus 2 over lucid dreaming in Focus 2?

I'll change this "mistake post" into yet another thought/question. LOL

Soooo.... if we feel sensations in our astral body *because* we are connected to a physical body, does that mean we don't feel sensations any longer after the "silver cord" is cut/detached (when our bodies die) and we are no longer connected to our physical body?

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For me, a dream even a lucid one is any one I have where I do not gain awareness or a feeling of wakefulness within the dream itself. These are still excellent experiences and there is much to learn from them. Now I can't say which focus level precisely it is where that feeling of awareness or wakefulness inside the 'dream' takes place. I do know however sometimes the feeling is much more physical and at those times it seems to me to be exactly what is needed. I would still call that a projection as opposed to a dream.

I thought "lucid dream" meant awareness of dreaming? The word choice "wakefulness" resonates with me. Maybe it's a jump from simple awareness to that sense of being awake that differentiates the lucid dream (which takes place in Focus 2 "dreamland") and astral projections (which takes place in Focus 2  "dreamland").

I've been dreaming a lot lately and I'm not usually aware I'm dreaming. I wake up and think, "Darn it! I was just dreaming and didn't become aware of it." This morning I was dreaming and started to experience the last bit of the dream in a more "wakeful" state where it became very real to me that my husband leaned over in bed and said "Are you sleeping?" I totally felt like it was real in the moment. Then I woke up completely. From what I understand, it is in this moment that I could become aware I'm dreaming and then project into Focus 2 and continue to experience Focus 2 from a new level of awareness than simple "lucid dream."

Many times the feeling in a projection does pass down to your physical body. Such as the touch of a hand or the feeling of a breeze blowing. I can't say for sure but I don't recall at the moment any time in which the physical sensation of my body passed to my astral body but having said that I can recall many instances of physical sensations in the astral passing to my body in the physical. Maybe that makes sense but I can't say for sure what focus level those sensations come from.

So you've given us a rather interesting thing to think on.

I read that there are sensations in Focus 1 and Focus 3. I had not read that about Focus 2. But from what I'm reading in this thread, it seems possible to have sensations in Focus 2 once a more wakefulness or shift in awareness takes place.

I also had cases in dream(state) where I felt something physical and had an 'astral body' that reacted to it although some things might filter down to your actual physical body (in F1).

I also believe that dream(state)s take place in F2 but for me even dreams is a 'projection' - a rather unconscious one, when we talk about projections we normally mean controlled and conscious ones which I believe are possible into all focus levels (F2,F3 and F4).

Anyway, you ask good questions and it is difficult to provide a solid answer that is why I did not react at first because I (and I assume no one here) can answer it 100% satisfactorily. It is all subjective experience, too, of course.

I guess I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between lucid dreaming (projection after falling asleep, which is in Focus 2) and projecting into Focus 2 (projecting without falling asleep). Although I can understand that there may not be a "need" for an astral body when projecting into Focus 2 as it depends on what the experience calls for, I wonder if anyone has experienced an astral body while lucid dreaming. Actually...I'm confused here... I have read that lucid dreaming is considered projection in Focus 2 and I have also read that one *can* project from lucid dreaming into a Focus area. ?? Maybe they mean that they project from Focus 2 to Focus 3 from a lucid dream? (kinda confused LOL). Or maybe it's a shift in awareness while in Focus 2... from lucid dream (no astral body) to a shift in awareness that manifests an astral body (if needed), but STILL in Focus 2 which is "dreamland" where you interact only with yourself (not other entities like in Focus 3).

You mention you had an astral body in dream(state). Was that during a lucid dream? Or was that when you projected into Focus 2 without falling asleep?

Lol, well maybe this is a sign that your, or my, or our telepathic communication skills are somehow working...

Just an hour and a half earlier, I was re-reading some of Frank's Focus level definitions to be sure I could answer your question accurately...

Wow! Thanks!

One reason in the delay for anyone responding is that, IMO, your question is a very good one and requires a bit of depth and nuanced understanding for a proper answer...

Oh, okay, good to hear because I wast thinking maybe it wasn't a good question! LOL

...My experience, at this time, is telling me this...

Very interesting and much to think about. Thank you for responding!

Anybody out there?

What are the differences in sensations between lucid dreaming (which is still dreamlike and you don't "feel" your body) and astral projection into Focus 2 (dreamworld / subconscious area) where we do our lucid dreaming? I'm wondering if one "feels" their astral body in Focus 2 like one does in Focus 3. As I understand it, the astral body feels quite real in Focus 1 and Focus 3. That our astral body feels very much like our physical bodies do in our physical world now. Wondering about Focus 2, though, as it's a "dream reality" where our actual dreams (both lucid and unconscious) take place.

I'm assuming one "feels" their astral body in Focus 2, otherwise I'm not sure how one would tell the difference between lucid dreaming and projection into Focus 2.

Hope this makes sense. Thanks for any help!