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I'm not sure what to believe in this instance so I guess the best thing is not to believe anything until I've had my own experiences there. I suppose that if it was possible to deploy astral guards, the White House would be one place that did.

I do "know" one thing though. The US military did not spend millions and millions of dollars on their remote viewing research and other psychic programs just to prove a thousand times over that there was nothing happening. Once it became public knowledge and the ridicule and oversight began, they had no other option but to claim that they ended the program.

Very true.. It is a fact that they have spent alot of money on programs like this so who knows.

The only "guards" that exist in the non-physical are the ones you place there yourself via your beliefs/expectations... consciously and subconsciously.
If you "visit" a "location" which you believe you will be guarded from entry into... guess what you're going to experience?  A very strong chance of a "guard" of some kind stopping you.

In this instance it's something entirely self-created.

If this is true.. Then you would be able to make the guards disappear or force them to let you through since they are your creation right? Have you ever done this and made it into the white house?

Thanks guys... Now that you mention it... i have noticed a sort of 3D in the blackness when I pay attention. I also see the particles and colors moving around but they arent new to me cause as a child.. i saw theextremely often.. Lke everytime I closed my eyes or was in the dark but in adult life, they have disappeared so its good to see them again. I have not seen any distinct forms exactly except for once.

There was a time after I did one of these exercises when I went to sleep. At some point in the night... I saw the back of my eye lids.. Im not sure if i was awake or not maybe half and half... I focused on the distance and saw two eyes moving towards me. The eyes formed into an Owl and kept getting closer. The owl came fully into view and stopped slightly to the left of the center of my field of visions. (Eyes still closed)

This owl... Looked mechanical and just looked at me but didnt move. It also looked sort of greyish blue.. Not in color. I decided to shift my eyeballs to the right.. To see if the owl stayed in place or if it tracked with my vision. Sure enough, it stayed in place which i found odd. I then opened my eyes and could see my bedroom in the same bluish grey, ghostly tint as the owl.. And the owl was still there. At one point, i wasnt sure if my eyes were open or closed cause regardless, i could still see. I dont know if this was me opening my astral eyes but it was a pretty cool experience.. Then the mechanical owl disappeared and everything went back to normal. Krep in mind this wasnt actually during a session so it was sort of spontanious.

The other thing I will post about is during a session about a week ago.. I was in Focus 12 just relaxing and I felt very distinctly, something crawling on my bare chest. I thought, ok this isnt real and i should just go with it.. I swear it felt so real i could feel the legs of some sort of bug i thought, walking up me. I tried to ignore if but i thought, "ok if this IS real, this thing is gonna go up my nose, in my ear, or in my mouth which was hanging open" so i broke focus and slapped my chest with my hand where i felt it. Opened my eyes, and of course there was nothing there.. DARN IT... IT FOOLED ME! lol

Hey folks.. Hope this is a good place to create this thread so I can post my experience with the Gateway Experience.  Have been slowly progressing through it and am just about to start the Freedom part which I think is Wave 3. At this point, I have been in F12 a few times but Robert Monroe has been just using 10 to create some tools in the last few sessions.

I have had a few interesting things happen while in F12 but nothing too crazy.. I will post some later. To be honest, so far I don't really feel much of a difference between F10 and F12 so I am not sure if I am doing something wrong or am not deep enough or what. Basically, he just says to count from 10-12 to get to F12.

I do find myself so relaxed that my mind tends to begin to wonder away from what I should be doing but I am able to pull it back to the task at hand. But its the same as when i am falling asleep when you start to have random thoughts and pre dream imagery of things that just make no sense and you ask.. Why would I be thinking of this.

I have not fallin asleep yet during any of the exercises though so thats a good thing I suppose.

Maybe I am correct in assuming things don't start getting too interesting until F15?

Just curious.. I have heard alot about people trying to project into the RTZ and then go to the White House, only to be met by some sort of Astral Guards or Astral Police that don't allow them in.

I am wondering if anyone has ever went to the white house and not encountered these guards, successfully walking in. I only ask because I cannot understand why any entities in the astral would care about whether or not a human projected his way into a place in the physical. Also, it doesn't seem plausible that the government would have agents who are projecting and standing guard there.

If anyone has an experience like this to share, i would like to know if you had heard about the guards before you tried it.. Because if not, it would maybe rule out the knowledge of it manafesting. 

Hey Szaxx,

Just curious about one thing she said that I have heard from a few people before. What would cause someone not to be able to get back in their body or be repelled by it? It is quite the opposite it seems, of the norm of thinking of your body and being sucked back in or getting too close and having the same happen... I know magnets work both ways just curious what would cause this cause I heard from someone else that he has spontaneous projections and doesnt want to, cant get back into his body no matter how hard he tries, but then eventually it just happens.

Aside from the cause of it, what would someone do to combat it?

Understanding reality is hard... lol

Well, I would never use the term "astral plane" anymore... LoL

But yes, you were projecting.  You were consciously aware while in the non-physical.  That's a projection. 

Why would you not use that term anymore? Just curious..

I think I've heard more females with bad voices more then I have with males. I don't have anything against Paul Santisi just his voice wasn't exactly what I would like to hear but it was something.

That's all I was saying. Speaking of females... There is a female recording on itunes i found once that i believe was for a guided past life regression. This female had such a super hot voice that sounded like a phone sex operator or something. I am sure I would of enjoyed listening to her but probably would of has other... Umm... Physical distractions as well as mental ones!

UNCLEAN THOUGHTS, UNCLEAN THOUGHTS lol

Hi and thank you very much for your story! It is very intriguing and makes me definately want to try this stuff out. I tried to find the site you mentioned but couldnt. I found a few links that said psipog but they all were expired.

Could you, or anyone else, recommend a good website to learn these things from scratch like I want to do? I could google it I guess but I want to stay away from the misinformation and BS sites. I am anxious to try it..  i have actually carefully balanced a pen on the edge of a desk and tried to use my mind to make it fall but it didnt work so I probably am not doing it right, other than visualizing it I am not sure what I need to do.

You can use your imagination with this one. If it's not of your doing then reason with them. These guards are usually responsive to the correct answers you may be asked.
I for a few nights went around what I believed to be the gates to Mecca. This was guarded by some very old entities. I eventually found a way in but never went far, there was something nagging me saying its a bad move. About 20 years later I read these gates were guarded by no other than the djinn. These entities are not to be trifled with. I explained my curiosity saying the stories heard and they told me I don't belong here. I stayed in full view and looked upon a beutiful landscape full of people meeting their deceased. I had a strong image in my mind to tell others to be good or they wouldn't see this marvel. The guards told me the rest of my thoughts and looked bemused by someone still alive wanting to give such a message. I left willingly of course. They possessed something not found elsewhere inside them. Their age seemed out of proportion with all around. They also had a bad reputation and my return would put things in order. I thanked them before I left.

That is so awesome! You are right.. I suppose if I asked them to leave or disappear or said goodbye to them and willed them to do the same... I would know based on their response or lack of response whether they were of my mind. I never thought to talk to them and ask questions... Darn it.. Next time i will though!

Well i guess you can all relax now cause he has in fact died for sure this time, unless that changes later. I am very intrigued by this but I think alot of it has to do more with people spreading rumors on the web, and news casts that give misinformation that they havent verified.

I would love to have one of these but the price is so high, I can't afford $600. And the prices for these sort of things dont ever seem to come down much. The Nova Dreamer has been around for so many years but it is still about the same price that it has always been :/

Your awareness would have enabled you to go around the side out of these guys way and walk through a wall or another door.
If it repeats, remember this. Time isn't a static thing when out so remember what your family were wearing and wait. This may pay off...

Yes I am waiting on the day that the scene with my inlaws may happen and I have that "dejavu" feeling.

As for the guards.. Do you think these were astral police or some manifestation of my mind? Cause if they were not something I created, wouldn't going around them have some reprecussions?

Yeah it's a problem with the software unfortunately.   Even I no longer receive notifications.
We'll hopefully have the forum software upgraded soon to the latest version, which should solve the problem.
For now do what I do and bookmark or favourite the posts you want to track. 

Ok sounds good guys thanks very much.

As the saying goes, "Same Difference"!  

This quote is from Edain McCoy from her book "Astral Projection for Beginners". She says "Astral Projection is defined as any state in which your consciousness is immersed in a different time or place from that of your physical body. By this definition the act of Dreaming is also a form of Astral Projection". She goes on to say that "It surprises many beginners to find that most regular Astral Travelers make little or no distinction between Dreaming and Astral Projection - rather, they have discovered that harnessing the "Power of Dreams" can become an excellent conduit for controlled Astral Travel".

Drop the labels for a while and just learn to experience it first. Keep a good Journal and after awhile you can go back to it and decide what's what from your own experiences. In the end, only you can answer this question.  

Great experience and it reminds me somewhat of my own that I just posted. The thing that I have heard though from some projectors is that their projections are so vivid that they seem more real than the physical reality, while I hear others say what you quoted. My lucid dreams at the time, can seem pretty real but then looking back seem hazy or sometimes get hazy during them. I guess maybe it depends on how much energy you have and your level of conciousness.. And the two may be directly related.

I also wonder if there is a difference in people who project intentionally from an awakened state and the people who project from dreams. Since your mind is in a different state during a dream (you will have been asleep usually for a while) maybe it is like projecting but being half asleep.

Hi everyone,

So I have been wanting to post this for a while since it happened about two months ago, but I have been trying to process and analyse it. I will post what happened and then after, my thoughts on it..  Here it goes.

I was taking a nap with my son in the afternoon which is when I do most of my dreaming. I found myself becoming lucid in a dream and I did my favorite test, the "pinch your nose and breath through it" test. It works very well for me. After I proved to myself I was dreaming, I had a false awakening. I woke up in my bed and was pretty sure I was still dreaming... Did another nose test, and confirmed it.

I decided that I would lay down, close my eyes, and try to project. When I close my eyes, I could sense my physical body laying in bed, numb. I starting trying to float up out of my body and felt the tingling/vibrations all over so I knew something was happening.

I felt myself floating up and started rising towards the ceiling until I passed through it. Then I got caught up in an "astral breeze" and just started blowing away with it so I went with it and just thought "lets see where it takes me." I was passing through buildings, i could see the wood inside walls as I passed through them. Eventually, I  found myself in an outside dining area of a restraunt (italian I believe.)

It was lunch time (which was about right for the real time i was sleeping) and i saw my wife eating ounch with her parents. I floated there watching and my wife couldn't see me but her mother seemed to notice me. She gave me a warm smile but I still wasnt sure if she could see me there. Somehow after that, i ended up in a high school. There were students everywhere walking through the halls and nobody seemed to notice me there.

I was standing near what looked like two double doors that were the exit to the school. I front of those doors, some men in trench coats stood guard. I dont remember the color of the clothes but they resembled FBI agents or secret service, perhaps men in black?

I approached the door and tried to ignore them to walk out... But one of them stepped forward and put his hand up to stop me. He looked at me and said "NO PROJECTORS!"

I felt the authority these guys had and I didn't argue at all, I backed off and went the other direction. After that, I guess I lost my awareness and maybe slipped back into a dream or something cause thats the last thing I remember.


SOOOoo... After thinking about this for a while... I have come to the theory that this was an exit via lucid dream. The astral wind carrying me away is something I have read alot about which is why i went with it. I wondered if my previous knowledge of it influenced me in a dream. But I have never had a dream like this before.. Meaning i have never dreamed about astral projection that I remember.

The strange thing is that the scene with my wife and her parents was totally false as her parents were at their home and she was at work. This is why I originally felt like this may have been a dream.. Along with the fact that things were not extremely vivid like some people describe their projections to be. It was similar to other lucid dreams I have had.. I believe I gave clarity now commands which helped but still it was sort of hazy. After further thought, i figured maybe this was just another reality, time, or imagery created by me by accident. But the the feeling of the exit symptoms and sensing my real body laying there but not being able to open my eyes or control it was very vivid. I have felt my physical body before this way when attempting to wake myself up from a lucid dream so there is some continuity there.

On to the school... A high school is a recurring enviroment for me in my dreams so this also confused me.. But the agents guarding the door is not.. And this is what really intrigues me the more i think about it.

I was surprised to read a thread here recently (after this experience) and find that alot of people end up in a school environment once they start projecting?? For training?

I had also heard of astral police before this experience but I just dont know if it would of influenced these guards. They were not mean or anything, but i felt they were not to be messed with and they were intimidating, but polite. Sort of like bouncers at a nightclub or something.

The one thing I cannot remember that would possibly help me figure out possibly if this was a dream or projecion, was whether the agent spoke with his mouth when he said "no projectors" or whether it was telepathic. I just knew what he meant was that astral projectors were not allowed past that point.

What was on the other side of that door??? Ahhhh the curisiosity is killing me now. Lol

Maybe he didn't mean that I could never go through, maybe I just wasnt ready. Who knows.

The thing about this is most of my dream experiences fade pretty fast, but not this one.. I still stuck in my memory fairly well even though i may of forgotten a few details.. I also wrote about it in my dream journal.

And for anyone who had read my posts from last year about my lack of dreams, I have indeed gotten them back again. My problem was stress and not sleeping enough hours to get to a dream cycle i think.

Well thats it... Can't wait to hear some ideas, questions, feedback, etc from you guys on it. This seems like sort of a milestone for me so hopefully things will continue to progress and I can project from a fully mind awake state eventually.

Hopefully this is the right place for this.

I have checked my spam filter and dont see anything from the pulse there. I have checked my profile settings which are set to the correct email address and set to notify me of moderation and replies, yet I never get any emails when people reply to my threads. I am trying to be more active in the forums but I am finding it hard to keep track of which topics I have posted to, to see the new posts.

Thanks in advance for any help

I also check "notify me of replies" on all of my posts and my profile shows that i am subscribed to each of the topics I have posted in.

Hi everyone,

So I am sort of skeptical about telekenesis. I have seen alot of youtube videos of people using psi wheels made out of tin foil that move with heat from your hands or air, and also people trying to make water running from a facet move, which is does on its own. I have also seen alot of people faking stuff on youtube using invisible thread, visual fx, or camera tricks and claiming it to be real.

On the other hand, I have also seen an old chinese man who has demonstrated himself pushing things across a table, including a heavy bowl of water which I DO believe is real.. He says he uses his Chi.

So I am open minded and I want to believe that telekenesis is a real thing that people can learn. Unfortunately, so many people fake things like this just to get attention and be part of a group i guess... That it taints those who are genuine... Just like alot of things I suppose.

My question is, how many of you here have actually been able to move things with your mind and have you recorded videos of it? Have you done it with controlled situations like encased objects that cant be affected by air etc?

And if this is real, is it possible for anyone to learn it?

I normally stay over in the astral projection side of this forum but figured I would wonder over and endulge my curiosity.

ROFL!
Wow I listened for five seconds and switched off.
Guided anything is not my thing but this takes the biscuit.

Lmao!! Yeah.. i also love how all of his videos are labeled things like "amazing" and "incredible" etc.. Nothing against Godlysmith of course... But I do think there are other guided things that are much better. For me, anybody with an english accent... Especially a woman.. Is the most soothing

I even find Robert Monroe's voice soothing but this guy.. Yuck

I found a video last night as I lay in bed called Astral Projection Guided Mediation by Paul Santisi. The technique was the rollout, which I found to be just a little hard then again I have never achieved a full stand alone projection unless a guided astral travel counts. Anywho I ended up falling asleep so I thought I'd give it another go today before I took a small nap. I started to fall asleep then awoke when Paul said roll, visualize your self rolling out of your body and floating up. So I started focusing on trying to lift my spiritual arms and whilst doing this they started to vibrate really heavily and I could feel a slight lifting feeling (I am thinking my physical arms where rising but I do not think that this was the case) my heart started to beat really fast because the vibrations where starting go to my shoulders, I had enough I opened my eyes which was probably really stupid of me. But I thought I would try again and sure enough it started again but not as intense.

One other thing I thought was rather particular was last night as I lay and listen, everytime the man would say something about like rolling out or leaving my body. I would get a weird wave feeling go from my head to my feet it was like a small sheet was being laid upon my very swiftly and everytime it would happen I would get all excited and get slight chills. I will try again tomorrow, I feel I have tried enough for a day.

Congrats! I have listened to his recordings before but I absolutely hate his voice so i cant get past that. He probably has one of the least soothing voices i have ever heard lol. But hey, whatever works for you I say stick with it...cant wait to hear about your success!

Just remember not to get excited cause it will interfere with the vibrations and you will lose them... Easier said than done. :/

Last night there was a speaker on Coast to Coast AM named Matthew Alper. He is a self proclaimed Atheist and wrote a book called "The God Part of the Brain". He said that he came to his conclusions due to his explorations via meditation, drugs and Altered Realities. he attempts to answer the question "Is man the product of God...or is God the product of human evolution?"

Once the video is up for replay I will post a link to it. It was interesting and he gave some no nonsense compelling arguments for his belief.

But in the end, I fear that someday someone will have to "Retrieve" him from his belief system zone, once he passes on.

But what kind of zone would that be if they don't believe there is no "zone", if they think this is finality?

Here's a link to his website:  http://www.godpart.com/

I listened to his spill recently when he was on Art Bell's Dark Matter... I wasn't impressed with him at all. He claims to do alot of research but if you listen to him speak, you can see how extremely close minded he is. He is not at all willing to change his opinion in an afterlife, only to do research to try to prove himself right.

One of the things that really urks me about some people is when they claim NDE is some sort of hallucination in the brain. There are many cases I have researched where people were confirmed to have no brain activity at all (brain dead) and they had these experiences to the point where they were able to tell others what was being discussed and done in the room after they were dead. His explaination I believe was that they somehow heard these things. You cant hear or see when your eyes are closed and you have no brain activity.. He wont touch that though.. He just makes the assumption that the person isn't really dead, that they are dying and have an experience due to the brain having a lack of oxygen.

These guys stay far away from the cases of people being in comas with no brain activity for mnths and then waking up and talking about their OBE, or blind women who have never seen before dying and being able to describe in detail everything and everyone in the operating room. Sorry to rant.. There is just too much evidence like this that guys like Alper refuse to acknowledge because it doesn't help reenforce his belief system. And claiming to have confirmed these things and publicizing it in books just serves to lead already confused people off of a cliff. Hopefully some of these people will go through an awakening like most of us have... But if not, and there is a job opening for retriever after I finish this life, i would like to try to help those people.

Sorry I realize you were looking for ways to get past the symptoms but I dont really know of any other than to just practice the mindset and get used to it happening so you arent fixated on it.

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Two nights ago, I was unable to sleep. I had been up with my girlfriend until about two in the morning when she decided to go to bed. Not feeling tired at all, I attempted to sleep none the less. Thirty minutes into my honest attempt at slumber I finally gave up the notion to sleep and thought I would practice my relaxation technique. I turned on my back, as I usually do when meditating, and started a full body relaxation progression from my feet upwards. After repeating this two or three times I felt everything below my chest completely relax to where I couldn't feel anymore. This is an unusual experience as I am usually only able to achieve this state with my arms and feet. Feeling confident, I focused on small areas that were not already 'numb' to relax them as much a I could. I did this until only the very top of my head was left. The moment I went to relax the very top of my head I felt an intense 'shift' of consciousness and energy all throughout my body. My heart rate shot up and my entire body wanted to tense itself. Attempting to suppress the muscle tension I tried to 'ride the wave' of energy. The energy died down and I found myself focused back on my body. With nothing else to do at the time and no hope to sleep I continued to relax my entire body over and over again, each time experiencing the intense rush of energy and symptoms associated with AP yet never reaching astral projection. I must have done this for more than three hours because when I finally called it good it was nearly six thirty in the morning.

Note: my original intention wasn't to achieve astral projection but to practice relaxing my body. It was only after the first cycle that any inkling of astral projection entered my train of thought.

Some feedback would be great, especially on ways to get past the symptoms (e.g. increased heart rate, and energy) and achieve astral projection.

My advice would be to just keep trying to get to that point, and then let it happen. It takes practice not to get distracted by the rapid heartbeat and vibrations, sounds. If you can get in the right frame of mind and realise it is happening, but not get distracted or excited by it.. Then once you have the vibrations going strong you can try some exit techniques. But being able to relax your body to that level is a great accomplishment that some struggle with so you have reached the first step of getting to that state. Keep it up!

Interesting topic, I too thought about this my self, some one here on a thread mentioned meeting Monroe apparently post death, he said he was in a room with his feet up on a desk, he had socks on, and apparently the sock had a hole in it, when asked if it was Monroe, he said yes in a non nonchalant sort of way, im going by memory here, so it may be off, im not sure where that thread is, odd I know.

That is pretty strange. I would think being such a profound human he would have something profound to offer us in the astral as well. Maybe this thread could be a call for anyone who is an experienced, at will, projector to attempt to contact him and post their experience. Why not right?