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Hi Leo,

I apologise if recent posts have been somewhat personal. I do not mean to undermine your origional post, nor discredit your observations. I could probably have made myself clearer, but I dislike it when mine, or anyone elses, input is flatly rejected simply because it does not 'match present data'. I was hoping to engage in more of a discussion, than a slagging match.

All I was merely driving at with my post, is that the linear observation of time within a dream is a function of ones perception. However, the dream itself does not necessarily run in a linear time, only ones observation of it.

In place of 'Linear Time', maybe I should have said 'Normal Time'.

Dreams are capable of speeding up and slowing down in accordance with ones observations and level of awareness (again, this is just me talking about my observations of my own dream experiences)

I'll offer the following as my reasoning:

'Normal Time' is measured (in simplistic terms) using an Atomic clock, where the frequency of the vibration of Atoms is used to define a time interval. http://science.howstuffworks.com/atomic-clock1.htm

However, there are an infinite number of 'intervals' between the recognised units used to measure time.

Now we know that time is measured as a fixed unit, we know that 'Time' cannot change in those terms; the atoms will not change thier vibrational speed (unless we delve into Quantum Mechanics, with the theory of 'observation affecting reality', but that is a whole different conversation)

So now we come back to our observation of time.

Our brain filters out more information than it processes, and it also fills in gaps in what it receives. All of which is outside of our 'normal' control. TVs take advantage of this fact, transmitting what appear to be moving images, but at a much slower frame rate (between 30 and 60 Frames per second). Reality of course, is analogue, and so there is an infinite number of 'frames' to any scene. It is our brains that 'slice it up' for processing.

So in states of heightened awareness, I would liken it to increasing the frame rate that the brain accepts, and we receive and process that extra information.

Going back to films, it would be like having a variable shutter-speed camera filming a scene, speeding up and slowing down. The speed of the action doesn't change, just the amount of detail that is captured by the camera. Now when that film is played back at a fixed speed (as our brains would do with the extra information) the scene will appear to slow down and speed up.

So simply by receiving more 'frames per second' time appears to slow down.

Again, this is just my observation and associated reasoning. I offer it for general critisism. I don't claim to be correct, but it holds true for me.

I hope this makes sense, and I would welcome any constructive critisism.

Kind regards,

Geoff

I'm sorry, but in this field of Study, so close to New Age popular occultism, there are many people who simply try to get by on fictions and fabrications... trying to make themselves seem important and incredibly advanced

Leo,

I'm not quite sure what you are driving at with this remark. Are you inferring that I am somehow trying to deceive people, simply by sharing a personal experience?

The one check that we all have against being imposed upon by such people is to say "No! I don't think so. I have never experienced anything like that myself, and think that you must be making it all up".

That of course is your right as an idividual. However, I stand by my experience; and by the same token, do not expect it to be 'right' or common. It is just *my* experience.

Besides, if Dream Information is processed by the Left Side of the Brain it will automatically be constructed to appear Linear, no? If you indeed have non-linear Dreams, it is perhaps because you are using only half your Brains

I am unsure if this was meant as a compliment or insult; as science estimates we are currently using less than 25% of our brain, to say I am using only half.....

There is much ongoing debate regarding the source and implication of dreams (and for that matter, *any* 'spiritual' state). So to restrict the activities within a dream to the processing capacities of the brain simply re-inforces my initial observation: Upon waking or gaining awareness within a dream, linear time is applied. (I say again, "In my experience")

I apologise if that disagrees with your research, and I don't portend to be an expert in this field.

I am however aware of myself.

Kind regards,

Geoff

Leo,

My Dream Memory is perfectly coherent, and once again you have discounted the experience of someone.

My observations of Non-linear time have been made on many seperate occasions, both during a Vivid/Lucid dream, and afterwards.

Linear time is applied to a dream when you become aware of it, or when you recall it upon waking. This is a function of our linear perspective of time.

However, during my dreams, I experience many different things at once, then seem to almost 'sort them' into a sequence. Yes, this can occur either during the dream or upon waking.

In addition, I have experienced a kind of 'instant visual recal' inside a dream. This is where my attention is drawn to a person or place, and I instantly re-visit a memory of that person or place, but whith no pause in the 'active' dream, or any time passing in that dream.

I've read many of things, by many of people, on many subjects. I don't discount the knowlege that it has brought me, but I do however beleive that a truth is personal, and experience is more valuable that knowlege.

So I stand by my original post, and ask you kindly to not discredit anyones experiences based on your own perspective.

Geoff

Delusional is one who makes his own truth in fantasy

Who decides what is 'real' and what is 'fantasy'? Only a judgemental obvserver

I should explain at this point that I haven't got a clue as to what 'Kundalini' is.

I make it a point to trust my instincts, even when those instincts lead me blind into a discussion or experience.

If I had a name for everything, I wouldn't stop talking about it! Instead I do whatever I feel is right

I guess I mean I treat my life as experiential, not observational

I figure this much, if I survive anything I can throw at myself, then it's not dangerous; and if it kills me, I'll know (instinctively) not to do it again.

That's not to say that I don't heed the warnings of others; I use them as reinforcement for the fact that I'll be OK

Kind regards,

Geoff

Beleif is everything, beleive me

If you beleive you can do something, you can. It really is that simple.

Anyone that tells you otherwise, is forming a control barrier over you.

"Seek and ye shall find" becomes "Dang, I already had what I was looking for!"

Think of yourself as a tiny miracle, and the more miraculous you realise yourself to be, the smaller you become.

Explosive egos lack substance.

The path is within, and it gets narrower as you traverse it.

Happy is the man who lives his own truth.

Needy is the man who lives someone elses.

G

In my personal experience, dreams cannot run in a linear timeline.

How many time have you [nobody specifically] woken and recalled your dream, filling in the gaps and placing a timeline on it.

Dreams, in my experience, are experiential and perspective-based. So any kind of slow-down is in your own 'eyes'.

Reality gives the same result in times of trauma or extreme.

In a dream, you experience everything at once, and when you wake you place a timeline to it. In the dream, the only time you place upon it is based on your perspective and awareness.

G

I do this every time I feel tired or sleepy....

"Where was I just then?"

It's handy for remembering waking, and sleeping, dreams.

Every time you phase in or out, and notice, ask yourself "Where was I?"

Dream memories in my experience are sequential; One memory leads to another. But the memories are rarely time-ordered, so you'll remember disjointed fractions. Then as you remember the fractions, you'll remember the pieces surrounding them.

I should coin a term; "Fractal Dreams"

If you can remember one part, the rest will fill itself in.

Hope that helps.

Kind regards,

Geoff