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Well DA I have had many many OBE's and thankfully have never had the sypmptoms you describe.There is something not quite right with you suffering all that pain.For what it is worth i am sure you are very close to having your first OBE which usually for most people is quite a terrifying thing..eg when i was 17 over 37 years ago i had my foirst OBE...when I found myself floating above my physical body i looked down at it and went as you Americans would say"ape excrement" and shouted to myself "Get back! get back!"..and I did...but after that initital fear no problem..keep doing the pre sleep meditation.energy body charging and good luck..you are not far from your first ecstatic experience.

Jacyln..I have tried to do this and have not succeeded..I can project and have done for years..but not at will...when you aRE "OUT" ALL OSRTS OF LACK OF CONTROL OF THE EXPERIENCE HAPPNES.THAT SOUNDS A LAME EXCUSE BUT IT IS WHAT i HAVE EXPERIENCED..AND i HAVE SUCCEEDED ONLY TWICE IN MEETING SOMEONE IN THE ASDTRAL AND HAD IT CONFIRMED..

I would never subscribe to the view that ONBE's are "boring"...next to life enhancing love/sex it is perhaps the most life affirming thing there is..proving that we are spiritual eternal beings...with a destiny only to be imagined, explored for aeons.that being said I have indeed found some OBEs I have had "mundane"...since we humans are easily satiated....but boring..not really...billions have not experienced this in the physical plane...shame..

I agree with rastus...in my particular example I had no intention to do it..the OBE just happened..I have only a few times sensed a "guide"..and that was one of them....in the scores of  other OBE's ... nothing at all..

yes indeed.great stuff! You have cracked it...good luck with future OBE's.

So sorry to read of your loss. I have an article on Robert's "articles" site..deals with the suicide of my son and how I came to contact him..hope it is of some use..take care..she will be a bit confused etc but the thing you must do if you can is to try..hard though it is...to think of her in a positive way and try not to let rage, anger enter the scenario....but this is hard..good luck

First experience..like a lot of things in life...can be unnerving..when I had my first OBE aged 17 i shouted"get back! get back!"
But as you say..it changes your life..spiritual perspectives..beliefs etc.
Good luck.

Thanks Gemma. You are correct.It is, indeed, devastating regardless of one's experiences and convictions etc. But, as the saying goes,unbelievable though it is initially."life goes on ".

Sorry for "typos"..I thought I could correct before posting..Lazy! Lazy! Lazy!

Hi DC,I have been projecting since 1967 but only consistently since 1997..on average once every 6 weeks..within that parameter have gone  up to 4 months with nuthin' happenin'... very frustrating.//(I feel your pain as the saying goes.. In my experience I find that there is no substitute for meditating before sleep..especially raising energy to third eye..eg this week starting yesterday.. i have been determined to OBE in this following 7 day period ..so last night I did the work..not very successfully i may add and fell asleep before i intened to..but I had 5 dream recalls..one lucid where i was talking to folks about lucid dreams and OBE's and saying "Of course this is a lucid dream just now..)..(normally i progress into a fully consious OBE after such a lucid dream but woke up before this happened last night...so..annoying but encouraging...and I also find if you repeat "I will remain conscious" and /or "I will waken up every hour and remember the dream"  (some affirmation that suits you) this also helps..also VERY VERY important..keep a drwam, ucid dream, false awakening ,OBE diary..since 1997 i have kept this  reasonably well..it is AMAZING how many fascianting experiences i haveforgotten due to being LAZY!! and not noting down..Good Luck!

Hi Stephen,
Many thanks for your kind words. I am sorry to read that suicide has been in your family/friends circle. I was so grateful for that experience and I just wish more people bereft in such a situation could experience the same thing,
Thanks again,
Michael

LOL Meg!!!"bonking" in the astral plane indeed! have absoutely nothing against this concept but think that the old adage out of the Bible is probably true.."we are not given in marriage"..ie we are all "cold and impersonal" in a PLEASANT  way when we finally enter the astral state...

Bruce Moen is a nice guy who admits that he doesn't do "classic" astral travel...more use of the imagination..eg it is alleged that some pranksters went to a workshop of his and said they were disturbed about their dog's status in the afterlife...Bruce "resuced" it and passed on the message..whatever "woof" it was..als there was no dead dog......I do not go for this myself but if it makes folks happy...

Leyla..I think that is a BRILLIANT point you have made..I have been considering writing an article for a magazine entitled "Cold Angels" because.in my view..that is EXACTLY what these spiritual beings are like...there is NO way in my view that spiritual entities go all "Oprah Winfrey Emoting" sort of crap that we mortals indulge in down here..they cannot...their evolutionary task has no time to deal with folks who "emote" and draw attewntion to themselves at the slghtest drop of a hat or proverbial tear! Good point indeed!!!!

This is a fascinating topic...and shows how clear we have to be re concepts eg "consciousness"..speaking personally I have experienced that sense of "dual consciousness" quite a number of times when projected..feeling conscious at both spacial points i.e. in the physical body and in the projected double....and the point that Yogis make mentioend above whereby they can "activate" many astral bodies at different positions is well known too...I hope Robert can elucidate at some point...

prior to sleep or OBE practice why not try to lie on the position you feel most comfortable in..do energy work raising from feet to other chakras as outlined in new Energy ways by Robert...relax...it will settle once you practice this regularly...god luck with OBE..you cannot be far off....

It is a bit like losing one's virginity Colin..the first time can be a bit of a hotch potch due to nerves...over excitement...etc..my first time  was cut short by fear..but after that first time no problem..and now onto astral projection...lol....seriously it is very encouraging that you heard the chakral sounds etc..you are i feel a natural..and good luck next time round...

yep Beth ..you got it right in one in my opinion..Steiner is far ahead of his time..wrote so much and so erudite that I have only scratched his surface as it were and that is after reading hepas of books and articles on his stuff..prolific to say the least..takes some effort to condense his thought..
But re Christinaity..apart from the Pistis Sophia and stuff like that..I think he expresses it more coherently and satisfactorily than anywhere else...in my opinion..

Beth..just out of interest..I wonder if you have any knowledge of Rudolf Steiner's views on Christ etc??he maintained there were "Two jesus''"..one "Christ"..and all sorts of stuff about etheric astral bodies being prepared etc for the Christ Spirit.....all tied in with reincarnation etc..

Interesting a point made by Robert a while back re after meditation he saw a dozen or so letters appear and he could not decipher...this has happened to me to in sleep..extremely detailed wall of Chinese writing.i could see each letter clearly..and again this happened a few years later..but why? Why ..when it appears one cannot decipher the leters???And of course..it is difficult to recall even one letter if one is not lucid as i was not on both occassions...

yes it looks like being an OBE with the unfortunate aspect of it  being you did not know it was....you knew nothing i would imagine as a child about astral projection..and you just ..with the typical child's mind..viewed it as something which was quite a common thing.the best thing I can suggest is to read as much books on astral projection as you can..saturate your mind with the desire to project......

I astrally projected into the brains of the three three main"players" in the "Wolrd stage"..
In iraq president Saddam's head I was lost in a myriad of tunnels which were demented and disorganised and utterly delusional..
In Blair's brain i kept bumping against a massive ego that wanted to be somebody on the world stage..
In Bush's brain.....I had TOTAL freedom of movement..the corridors were empty..vacant..nothing there....

hi micron..Ill butt in...I average one obe a bout every 6 weeks or so..going through a balnk period which happens though..last time about threemonths ago...only mention this to indicate that it varies so much..seems to me you are doing great especially in the lucid dream department..and that is GOOOD i would suggest since in my experience I usually have a luicd dream prior to a fully conscious obe..good luck..tremendous isnt it..that first obe...more to follow i am sure for you...

there is a point of view..esoterically..that talking about astral projection or any spiritual skill often puts a damper on ones ability to do it..for the very sensible reason that..if you don't talk about it..it creates a stress in the subconscious which enables one to do it..personally I write articles etc but rarely talk about it to strangers...becuase we have to be honest..as many threads on this site have already mentioned..astral projection and any other psychic skill has yet to be proven scientifically..so all we are doing is spouting about what we know is real..but we cannot prove it....for all sorts of legitimate reasons...

i think i may have most astral projection books..over 200 in all..best are in my opinion..the projection of the astral body..sylvan muldoon..Roberts Astral Dynamics..William Bulhmans fiorst book..2nd one isnt so hot...and leaving the Body..scott rogo..purely for techniques...