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I get into a lot more detail about Qi (a.k.a. Ki, Chi) in the "Energy as a Weapon" thread on this forum.  I'll kinda keep it simple here.

What We're Talking About: http://www.pathoftheancient.net/code/library/treasure.html

Basic Development of What We're Talking About: http://www.pathoftheancient.net/code/library/basicqi.html

Basic Defensive Development: http://www.pathoftheancient.net/code/library/defenseiron.html

Basic Offensive Development: http://www.pathoftheancient.net/code/library/introcombat.html

Sunlight Hands Arts: http://www.dragonslist.com/articles/articles/?articleid=93

Ki Teachings is going under a lot of changes right now so that it won't suck anymore.  You can read about them at:
http://www.ki-teachings.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=298

Anywho, until Ki Teachings stops sucking, you can check out the Qigong Books at http://www.theveritasacademy.net/articles.htm

I get into a lot more detail about Qi (a.k.a. Ki, Chi) in the "Energy as a Weapon" thread on this forum.  I'll kinda keep it simple here.

What We're Talking About: http://www.pathoftheancient.net/code/library/treasure.html

Basic Development of What We're Talking About: http://www.pathoftheancient.net/code/library/basicqi.html

Basic Defensive Development: http://www.pathoftheancient.net/code/library/defenseiron.html

Basic Offensive Development: http://www.pathoftheancient.net/code/library/introcombat.html

Sunlight Hands Arts: http://www.dragonslist.com/articles/articles/?articleid=93

Isn't Golden Shield a style of Shaolin Qigong that makes those monks unable to be stabbed by spears and stuff?

I know that this topic is really old, but with "Energy as a Weapon" coming about I needed to find some examples of reason as to what Qi is used for and also a way to relate the discussion to people who practice NEW (which I know little about) so I could relate to them with me practice Qigong.

All that picture does is give me a headache.

I hate trusting my eyes so much (all three of them).

quote:Originally posted by FistOfFury


On the subject of Chi/Ki, no it's not fake just because you didn't see results. You were probably looking for immediate results. Energy work is not something that is synonymous with the word "immediate". It can take months, years, even lots of years, to get any real kind of results. On the subject of radical Ki, I don't think real energy works the same way you see it being used in cartoons, and even if it did, let's say there's a slim possibility that it could be real, I don't think that it would be possible at least, for the human's 3rd density physical and etheric body, to be able to tolerate or sustain the things you see in cartoons.

Thank you for being another voice of reason about Qi.  I write this huge, helpful post about it in the "Energy as a Weapon" thread and the first thing I get in reply is a sentence that I'm not even sure if I read it right (it had something to do with "firing" Qi and how I'm wrong or something).  I mean, I have more than my share of typos, but crap like that is a bit too much.

You should head over to that thread if you haven't already.  Maybe two voices of reason about Qigong and about combat overall might sway people in the correct direction (as in not DBZ).

You don't "fire" it.  The closest thing to "firing" it is the Kong Jing ability and I don't know Kong Jing.

The closest thing you can do to "firing" Qi is doing Butterfly Palm (a Gongfu move that looks similar to a Kamehameha) Tekken style (physical contact).  Once you get the basics, you can trnasfer Qi through physical contact.  Hell, if you can punch out a candle with over a foot of distance between your fist and the flame then you can probably do some real damage to some internal organs if you got a clean, proper punch in while fighting.

You need to remember that nearly all fights that don't include projectiles take place within range of physical contact.  It wouldn't be much of a fight if they couldn't reach each other.

I'm not pulling crap out of my arse here with this.  This is real martial arts and real Qi work I'm talking about.  Fighting is a science that's been developing since the dawn of conflict between two beings and the various Qi disciplines (namely Taijiquan first) have been a work in progress for over 5,000 years now!  Its a "No Super Saiyans Allowed" club!  Blonde reverse-vegetable people ("Saiya" is "yasai" reverse which means "vegetable") in Shonen Jump aren't going to teach you real combat.

http://www.pathoftheancient.net/code/library/introcombat.html

Here's some basic info that should introduce you into how to use Qi in a combat situation.  The links in the post I wrote before (the one you replied to) should be sufficient for building up enough Qi to be able to pull off the Intro to Combat Qi.

http://www.pathoftheancient.net/code/library/defenseiron.html

This here is a good intro into tempering your body like Iron so that you can take hits without being damaged as easily.

http://www.pathoftheancient.net/code/library/basicqi.html

For those of you who don't want a Qigong routine that's several pages long, here's some Introductory Exercises.  You won't get as much progress because Qigong literally means "energy work" and the more you work the better you get, but it should help you start.  I suggest adding the Zhan Zhuang that I spoke of in my prrevious post in this thread to this workout to make it more worth your time.

http://www.pathoftheancient.net/code/library/anger.html

This is a primer on how Anger and POwer relate to each other.  This one's an especially good read for those who assume that anger = power.

http://www.dragonslist.com/

I'm going to mention this site again because it has some beautiful training methods like the Sunlight Hand Arts I mentioned before as well as good strategies like blocking and striking at the same time.

quote:Originally posted by Cruel Tendencies

I haven't read NEW in a while, but he may have been referring to the full-body circuit.  That's the one where you raise energy up your legs and back, over your head, down your face, neck, and chest, and into your sub-navel.  Doing that develops the energy body because there's energy passing through almost all the pathways.

My personal opinion, which is in no way anything close to expert, is that you're developing the pathways in your legs and neglecting the rest of the energy body.  It's not really a good idea, nor is it helpful in the long run.  You'll have to develop the rest of your pathways (torso, arms, neck, head, etc) before you can begin primary chakra work.  And that's when the real cool stuff begins


Paul

That sounds like Microcosmic Orbit.
http://www.pathoftheancient.net/code/library/micro.html

I swore up and down that I wouldn't come near this place but, "what the Hell", right?

Anywho, Qi as a weapon.

First and foremost, I don't know everyone's level of knowledge on this stuff so I'm gonna start with the very basics.  Qi (pronounced as "ch-ee" and also commonly spelled as "Chi") is the Chinese word for "energy."  Most people in the West think that Qi is a bunch of nonsense because a bunch of quacks who talk about it over here or due to some mistranslation a lot of people see Qi as some sort of mystical force that trandscends scientific study.  In reality, there are all types of Qi such as Ren Qi (Human Qi) referring to human energies, Tian Qi (Heaven Qi) referring to the weather, Dian Qi (Electric Qi) referring to electricity, Re Qi (Heat Qi) referring to heat, Si Qi (dead Qi) or Guo Qi (ghost Qi) referring to the energy of dead bodies, Huo Qi (vital Qi) referring to the vital energies of [insert living thing here], Zheng Qi (normal Qi) referring to the Qi of a person with good morals, and about 25 other types that I don't know yet.  There are even terms referring to the morale of armies like Qi Shi (energy state).  

My belief is that Qi, when used by itself, is a collective term referring to the types of Qi humans have like Re Qi from body heat and Dian Qi from nervous activity.  This comes from reading the book "Tai Chi Chuan and Meditation" by Da Liu.  Current scientific theory about Qi goes by the understanding that since everything breaks down into atoms and atoms have electricity, that bio-electricity is what Qi is and that the very subtle magnetic fields made by all this bio-electricity is what the aura is.  This comes from reading "The Root of Chinese Qigong" by Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming.  You could also go into the variant theory that all mass is really made up on energy and that energy as well.

Anywho...

Qi is mainly used by people over here conciously as a way to stay healthy.  In martial arts, people either conciously or unconciously (depending on what was taught) use Qi when properly executing attacks with proper breathing methods.  I train in the use of Qi with an exercise I developed consisting of things such as Zhan Zhuang (a type of standing meditation) and Wai Dan (another type of standing meditation) as well as getting proper exercise.  I also increase my ability to use Qi by using it conciously when executing martial arts techniques.

From what I've learned from personal experience as well as reading books by people like Da Liu and Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming is that when it comes to "feeling people out" psychically or whatever its called around here, its because someone who has trained with Qi for awhile develops the ability to feel subtle magnetic waves given from bio-electricity and translate them in his mind in order to understand things about a nearby person.

When it comes to fighting, Qi can be built up in the limbs mentally and can be more easily done if the building is in rhythm with certain breath techniques like Daoist Breathing.  When Qi is built up in the limbs things happen like being able to use muscular strength more efficiently or "hardening of the fists" where you can dull out pain from hitting things and "transferring Qi" where you foce Qi into another person's body upon striking them with your limbs in order to not only give them injury, but stagnate Qi flow so its harder for them to recover.  Other uses include a technique known as Fa Jing (Explosive Force) which allows you to knock people very far away with minimal muscle effort and, at higher levels, allows you to rupture organs and make people fall where they stand.

Other uses include healing (Accupuncture, Accupressure, etc.) and making the body more endurant (Iron Body, Iron Palm) among other things that I just can't think of off the top of my head.

The most controversial part of Qi training is the ability known as Kong Jing (Empty Force) or Lin Kong Jing (Powerful Empty Force).  As far as I have read, Kong Jing is a skill that allows you to project Qi at people you can learn after about three years of a strict training schedule involving Zhan Zhuang, Leg Push Ups, and other exercises meant to build up Qi and extend it outside of the body as far as you intend.  Some say that this can be used for self-defense, others say that it can be used to make people become sick or dead at a fixed point in the future after application, and many say that Kong Jing can only really knock back people who also have a lot of Qi built up and, because of that, it (Kong Jing) can't be used for self defense.

http://www.geocities.com/bgaughr/ has a basic Qigong 101 course that is specifically made for novices.

http://www.geocities.com/donjitsu2/warriorhome.html is a site with training exercises like Zhan Zhuang for building up Qi for combat purposes.

http://www.dragonslist.com/articles/articles/?articleid=93 is an article from Dragon's List (a Gongfu/Kung Fu website) by one of the authors I mentioned above about how you can encorperate Sunlight Hand Arts (Candle Training) into your martial arts practice in order to more effectively use Qi in combat.

http://www.bodymindandmodem.com is a site based on Aikido if you're looking for something more on the Japanese side of Ki (pronounced "K-ee" and is the Japanese version of Qi) use.

The Korean version of Aikido is Hapkido and has the same principles as Aikido and even has the same definition and pronounciation (K-ee: "energy" or "spirit" [as in intent, mind-set, and emotions]) if you'd like to see things from a Korean standpoint.

[Edit]Dragonball and Street Fighter are not proper depictions of Qi at work.  They're a form of entertainment based in a world where Qi has properties that don't exist in the real world.  A Qi Ball is not really a "ball".  A Qi Ball is a ball-feeling that you get from eminating Qi from your palms and getting a feeling of opposing forces when you bring your hands close together.  The "power up" is something that doesn't exist in any form besides maybe spreading Qi all over your body at once or releaseing a Kiai (Spirit Gathering, the yell used in Japanese and Korean martial arts to summon Qi) to suddenly jolt your body with Qi.  No muscle tensing is involved and the only hairs that might stand up are the ones on your arms is you have a high enough Qi build-up and you emit it from your palm to your forearm from 2 inches away.[/edit]