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#26
It's been several months now since I wrote here about my first OBE, where I had no sight, and just kinda floated up and down. I have no time to practice, except at bedtime, which of course ends up with me falling asleep. I haven't even had much of a chance to read many posts here at this site. But today I had some time in the middle of the day, and I got results!  :D I got my 2nd OBE, and 1st OBE from waking consciousness.

I've really been wanting to try the phasing method. But that's not what I got today, even though doing run downs put me in a relaxed state where I did not notice my physical body. After more than an hour of relaxing,  (having to start again sometimes because something made me return to C1), some vibrations hit me. The vibrations started because some sort of noise that "happened" in the room gave me a small jump, and that started the vibrations. I read somewhere once, that that's one guy's whole method! Relax and wait for a noise that always seemed to come along that would give him a start, and then the vibrations would start.

(I understand that many people do not feel, and do not need to feel the vibrations in order to have an OBE)

I was able to do something with these vibrations, that I could NEVER do before - I could increase them! I've had full body vibrations before, very strong ones, but I could never increase them by will, no matter how I tried. Then they'd go away. These vibrations responded immediately to my intention. Then another thing happened. When I willed myself to float away from the bed, I felt it actually happen, whereas in the past, nothing happened!

It was my intention to float off the bed on to the floor, as I've read people do here. I thought while floating "This is it, if I am having an OBE it'll be a soft landing, if it's just me moving - I'll know". I felt myself fall off the bed, and the landing was ever so soft. I thought WOW! and opened my eyes, and as clear as ever I saw polished floorboards, the same as in my room. I was hitting it to test how real things felt. Everything looked and felt life-like. And that's the other thing, I could SEE this time!

The house was not where I lived, but I didn't care. I don't know where I was. It had high ceilings, and polished wooden floor, like where I live. But the house layout was different, and none of the stuff in it was mine. Except for the brightly sunlit bedroom I arrived in, the house was dim from having no lights on, but I could still see clearly. There was still some light around, it was not too dark. I was walking around the house. There were no people in the OBE besides me.

When I was in the loungeroom of this house it occurred to me to try to use this as a launch to f3. But maybe I haven't done enough reading on phasing yet. I was trying to get to the 3d blackness with stars by trying to picture it. Nothing happened. Perhaps I should have done it some other way. But I did not persist with this for more than a couple of tries. I didn't want to wake up. That's the other thing I noticed at this time... I am used to lucid dreams, and I can prevent myself from waking by spinning myself around. And because I am conscious in my lucid dreams, I also tend to wake soon after becoming lucid. As a result whenever a dream begins to fade, I spin into a new one. I also move around fast to keep myself thinking (conscious). I was moving around quickly today in my OBE too, but it was unnecessary, because it was so stable! Everything stayed the same. Even after closing my "eyes" to imagine this 3d blackness and express intent, I opened my eyes and was still in the same place. I began to fly around in the loungeroom bouncing off the walls. I felt full of tickling vibrations and energy rushes. I find it a bit uncomfortable, which is OK because they used to be unbearably uncomfortable when I used to practice, and I'd have to stop trying for an OBE.

After flying around this large, dark loungeroom, I decided I should call it quits and write it all down while I still remembered everything. I know it is important to keep early experiences short. But I had a false awakening and went into a dream. In my dream I was telling everyone all about it. I'm so relieved that after that dream, I could still remember the OBE. It'd be a shame otherwise.

The big progress for me since the last one was this:

I was able to drastically increase my vibrations through intention. In the past nothing would happen.

I was able to put up with the ticklishness of the vibrations. I hate them! Grr

I could feel a definate sense of movement as I felt I was floating off the bed on to the floor. It didn't feel imagined, though I know I wasn't really floating. It's all in the mind, I never went anywhere.

I could see, and see as clear as a bell. The floor felt as I expected when I hit it. I realise it was an epectation rather than a reality.

I was able to do this from a relaxed conscious state, and not from a dream!

Not once did I even THINK about my body, it's strange it never crossed my mind to look. (Thank goodness). I just got up and went out the bedroom door into a different house.

My surroundings looked real, and stable. Not at all like a dream.

All of these things I wanted to experience for myself. They are questions I've wondered about. I write all of this for people like myself who read about other people doing it, and wonder what it is like, or if it is true. I hope everyone who tries without success will persevere. It's taken me 18 months to get this far, and you can see it is not very far. I'm sure everyone who keeps at it will get there sooner or later.

Thanks for reading,

Potatis
#27
Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / guides?
July 03, 2005, 05:05:48
Hmm. Far be it for me to reply for Frank, which I'm not, but my understanding was Frank wasn't degrading energy work, but just felt it wasn't necessary (at least from c1). He has been able to do what he does without it.

Also, Frank may have mentioned guides, but I don't remember him talking about "Guardian Angels".

I don't KNOW whether there are guardian angels or not. But when I have read about them in the past, there seemed to be a lot of text written in a flowery garbage way that would put me off. If they exist, then people should just write the information factually, without all the flowery poetically descriptive words that irritate me. Just the facts ma'am.

Potatis
#28
I've been away from these forums for a while. So much to catch up on since I was last here. Lots of new information about phasing now.

"Imagine the sheer ecstasy of a million orgasms all happening at once"

I guess I'm back now. :)

Potatis
#29
Or vice versa, Frank.  :wink:
#30
That's a great experience! Thanks for sharing. I wonder why the woman wanted you to have the calender? You can't exactly take it with you. What need would THEY have for a calender anyway? I found the hand holding thing VERY interesting indeed.

"Mr Wiggly Feathers" is a GREEAT name! I'll put it on my list of what to call my next pet fish.

Potatis
#31
My lucid dreams have never been sexual. I always break things, or I should say SMASH things. One dream I deliberately threw a brick through someone's house window, and it hit a fish tank. The tank smashed, water and fish flowed to the floor, a woman was screaming helplessly as she was looking at the water going all over the floor. The fish too. No, the fish weren't screaming, they were washed down on to the floor.

It was MY dream I thought, I'm not really hurting anyone. But I feel guilty now... In waking life I'm so well behaved, but once I realise I'm dreaming, I become such a bastard! :-) I can still hear that woman's screams in my head whenever I think of it. It's dreadful. Just... everyone behave!

Potatis
#32
Quote from: MisterJingoI could lie in bed at night with my eyes open to the darkness, and watch objects going across my field of vision as if they where really there - sadly this skill has waned as I have got older.

That's jogged my memory! I used to do that too! I had completely forgotten that! I wonder what that was all about anyway? hehe.

Potatis
#33
I spin in lucid dreams to stay lucid - it works very well. The problem though is that each time I spin, I go to a different place. But when I wake I can usually recall more than 10 different lucid dreams in a row. They are short though, because when I think I am going to lose my lucidity, I spin to somewhere else.

I'm really badly behaved in my lucid dreams. I am trying very hard to change this.  :oops:  It's all this freedom, you see. I thought it was all made by my imagination, but what if these people really live their lives in the places I visit? I must behave just in case.

Potatis
#34
Well done Seraphim!

Sometimes when people try TOO hard, nothing happens.

Potatis
#35
Telos, the "joke" is hard to remember absolutely 100%, but I pretty much remember it. I can tell you the joke was about a woman's name. I didn't know any of the people in the dream. But I was gathered with several people and they laughed when a guy said what some woman's name was. I didn't get why they laughed, so I asked. When the guy explained and I saw words appear like subtitles in a film, except one at a time, in the position you'd see them in a film. (At the bottom of what I was looking at).

The first word was definately "Israel". Then appeared another two words (The woman's name) beside that word which were chopped up bits of Israel. Something like Ira Seli or Ira Sel.

The man never said the word "Israel", it just appeared on it's own. He then said "Ira Sel" or something similar, I can't 100% remember but it was like this. One at a time those words appeared next to "Israel" as the man said them so it looked like this:

Israel Ira Sel

He said "Ira Sel. She's a Jew!" and I burst out laughing. When I read it back now it doesn't seem so funny. But there was something clever about seeing the words like this without me seemingly thinking it up. The first time he said the name, it went over my head. I know I still would not have got the "joke" if I didn't SEE the words, especially the word "Israel" which was never spoken. Ira Sel or whatever the name was, wouldn't have made any sense to me. But I could SEE the name was made from the letters that spelled "Israel".

It was funny at the time. I only know one family who's Jewish, I don't know why it was in the dream. When I woke, I immediately wondered how my brain came up with that, and yet I still had to explain it to myself within the dream. When everyone laughed the first time, I really didn't get it.

Sorry for this off topic post, in an otherwise very good thread. Telos asked  :wink:

Potatis
#36
What about when people in a dream seem to say things that you normally couldn't think of yourself? Could they be independant thinking beings?

2 nights ago I woke in the middle of the night from a dream, laughing my head off. Someone was telling me something, and I didn't understand the joke he made the first time, and when he explained it, it was so clever and funny that once I got it I burst out laughing, and woke up laughing. It woke my fiancee up, she wanted to know why I was laughing.

I immediately thought that I could not have thought of it because I didn't get the joke straight away, only after it was more clearly explained. I'm not as clever as that with jokes when awake. I wondered if it was a separate entity I was talking to?

Potatis
#37
Frank,

Please write a whole book on Focus 4 alone! :-)

Potatis
#38
Ah, ok.. the word "stumbling" threw me.

Potatis
#39
There are many big words in this thread.  :)  Nevertheless it is very interesting.

I hope the feeling of the intent becoming neutral can be further explained. Surely one does not deliberately stop the intent, and bring it back again in the hope of sparking a transition into f12. So does the neutral intent come from a wandering mind, or momentary blackout? When the intent kicks back in again with a vengeance, is that deliberate by the person after they discovered this neutral state? Or it just happens by itself?

Potatis
#40
Major Tom, do you mean you feel out of body, but are not very lucid? or? I'm just wondering what you mean.

Potatis
#41
Quote from: MajorTomI think we can say the first astral pulse weekend was succesful even if noone actually made it to the island.

LOL!

I don't disagree. It just sounds funny, that's all  :lol:

Potatis
#42
Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Trance State
March 07, 2005, 04:13:09
I'm sure others can give a better answer than me, but I guess getting plenty of sleep and drinking coffee will make it harder for you to slip into a trance when you don't want one. :-)

Potatis
#43
This is an interesting question I think, since I was just reading through this in Astral Dynamics last night. From what I read, Robert seemed to be saying that projections from WILDs are actually more realistic than a conscious real time projection.

About these WILDs, Robert Bruce writes "Although this is technically a lucid dream, it can be aptly called the ultimate out-of-body experience as it has many similarities with a conscious-exit OBE"

He says "A lucid dream projection is essentially no different from a conscious-exit projection"

Robert goes on to say that both have the same distinct feeling that you are out of body. However Robert says that the only difference of note is that the lucid dream projection is far more realistic and true to life than are projections or normal lucid dreams.

He says that sensations such as gravity, weight and feel of the physical body, it's ability to taste and smell, and feel pleasure or pain, limitations of solid matter, the feeling of temperature etc., are all indistinguishable from true life perceptions, when projecting to a WILD.

I can't see much difference between the method of inducing a WILD and a RTZ projection. So it's fair to wonder which one it is you are experiencing. It'll make me wonder from now on.

I hope others with experience may be able to expand on what Robert Bruce has written.

Potatis.
#44
What does anyone think the numbers mean? They aren't things that anyone would EXPECT to see. Interesting that more than one person has seen them. Objective interpretation of something subjective perhaps? If so, I wonder what the subjective thing might have been in the first place?

Maybe they were lotto numbers. Did either of you buy a ticket? :-)

Potatis
#45
Ouch beavis! My head hurts!

:-)
#46
Yep! It was supposed to be a joke :-)
#47
Quote from: FrankThe other point I wanted to mention is there is no absolute necessity to lose contact with the physical. So don't be surprised either if one day you find yourself at Focus-21 while being totally aware of your physical body. It's just that again, for beginners, it is easier to think of the physical body being out of the Phasing equation.

I wish I'd learned this a LONG time ago! I've stared in awe at 3d blackness before, a huge expanse as described here, but because I was aware of my physical body I'd think "Gee, here is some 3d blackness, but it isn't THE 3d blackness.". It sounds like I could have missed some opportunities.  :cry:

F15 seems a waste of time to me.  :wink:

Potatis
#48
Welcome to Members Introductions! / hi
March 02, 2005, 03:49:24
G'day Davo & Karl!

Keep researching, and never give up trying!

Potatis
#49
Hello Andali!

I'm not sure what you want help with. It seems you had a lucid dream, then a rtz projection where you had some trouble getting out and had difficulty walking. Congratulations for even getting THAT far!

I'm not as advanced as you, but my advice would be to just keep trying. Control seems to come the more you do it. From reading your posts, it sounds like you are already making progress since your first projection.

What did you mean by "confused about seeing"?

Potatis
#50
Quote from: NayThe RTZ is getting frustrating/boring for me now. (thought I'd never say that! )

Have you tried putting your head through the front of your TV? I will seriously try this at some time in my life, but first I am curious to know what might be on TV in the RTZ. I guess it'd just be nonsense stuff, or maybe I won't even be able to turn the TV on. Oh well, if that fails I can always go outside and get run over by cars. I'd also like to find a couple of my deceased fish, so I can apologise. Actually, it's not hard to think of things to do, and experiment with, in the RTZ if you just think about it a bit.

Potatis