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#26
Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Death
June 04, 2002, 21:32:03
Hi Alex,
Your post heading caught my attention as I'm becoming to feel that I have some information to offer on this subject because I'm taking care of palliative people on a daily basis... I'm also a spiritual seeker, have had a near death experience and one walk out/in experience.

Also this brings to mind one very scarey and awesome experience that I had a few months ago. I was actually being attacked spiritually and found myself being in the place just before you decide where you're going to go to live on the other side. Let me tell you I was aware, fully, bodily, keenly sensing every drop of dewy sweat on my face. I had form...I was floating in space, with the stars and planets. A group of stars came twoards me and made a sound almost like the fizz in a glass of pop as it went right thorugh me. It felt like they kissed my cool, dewy cheek. I then realized that I was maintaining my energy in bodily form and if I just let go I would expand out amongst this wonderful place but never losing my sense of self. It felt like a very liberating stretch. I was *more real* than in this limited human body. It was so freeing, I felt content, happy and at peace.

The creature that was bothering me then wanted to me to make a decision as to where I was to go. On one side below me was a place of demons and human souls that had chose to be there. Chosen being the important word here. The thing that he was offering me was more power beyond my beliefs. (not interested:)

On the other side was a planet filled with people, wonderful people.. it was home. I had no doubt as to where I was going and that it wasn't my time yet but I didn't want this to end. I started to feel a pull from the friendly planet and their voices started to get louder. I felt like I would be consumed by their joy, if that makes any sense. It sounded like a back yard bbq with everyone laughing and joking around. The pull became very strong and even though I would have liked to even go for a visit. I knew it was time to come back.

My transition back was swift but that feeling of calmness, lightness and joy stayed with me for several days after. I've been back there once and I know that I can go anytime I want because I consciously know the way now.

So may I suggest that when your consciousness starts to transfer fully to the spirit you actually wake up to a keener sense of true self and being being. When I'm with people who are actively crossing over they usually take little trips back and forth. It confused me at first because I could feel them leave but then they'd be back again. I finallly figured out that they transit to the other side to test the ground there, talk to a few relatives and then pop back to their human body as long as they can stand it... can you imagine how restrictive the dying body would feel? but finally the pull from their home planet is too great and the human body is so spent that they make the final leap. Its their human ties that bring them back friends, relatives that's why its important to verbalise to the person, even if you think they can't hear, that 'its okay to go'. It makes their transition easier. What a relief it must be:)

I don't think it really matters how we die. If we die suddenly then it will be a bit of a shock and the spirit may hang around the body for a while but theres no way you can ignore that pull that I believe is with and beyond the white light. Also it doesn't matter what spiritual level we're at because there is a sense over there that we really are fully conscious spirits having a physical experience. The real life/existence is on the other side. this is a learning experinece and sometimes a very difficult one to say the least.

If you were to die in your sleep the transition would be very nice.. it would be like waking up in heaven. I went to sleep on that planet with so many problems and woke up in perfection... sounds very good to me :)
with love
waterfall



#27

hi sleepyone
I have encounters where I help people out of situations. Lately I have been getting serial killers where they are going beyond what has been predetermined by others lifes paths. Theres been many other situations and I have been told that it's soul rescue work. Yes it happens on this physical level and you can search it out on the net for your own verificaiton. I was told that its not necessary for me to alert the police because I'm doing the work needed on another level. I believe that it happens on many other levels or dimensions also. Some dimensions where I'm very active there are already many alien species, openly, running around and causing trouble:)
Can you do anything about the situation in an altered state?
waterfall


#28
hi antagonist,
Its quite 'normal' to feel amny different things when even just meditating. It opens you up to many different areas that may not have been available to you before. The reason that I'm saying this is for a time in my meditation practice and going obe as a natural progression.... I would access a past life that my spiritual guides were trying to show me because it had to do with my developemnt or remembering. It was one of many where I had drowned. I would literally go into a blackness and then wake up after a time of not breathing. It really freaked me out and had me stop for a time but whenever I went back to meditating I would have this happen. It was only till after I worked through the fear that I was able to continue on. I very slowly have gained access to many past lives by remembering the death first and working back.
Theres many things that each of us as individuals will go through depending on the  past experiences of our soul. Mine are very much influenced on shaman lives and so traveling, soul assistance is very natural to me in this life.
So the main thing I want to say is move through the fear.. recognise it as a response to the unknown and move along :)
waterfall




#29
I just wanted to say that third eye activity with me anyway, seems to be very connected to visuals when obe. I found that when I'm developing in these areas I will get movement of the third eye. *feels just like an eyeball moving around under the skin, in my forehead* Recently I have been trying to get more control over where and when I want to go. After my last session I felt a lot of pressure in this area that lasted for two days. It's uncomfortable and can be relieved some by drawing off of energies but I feel its more like exercising and having your muscles sore for a few days after.
I find that when I project or go obe its after I 'let go'. I get myself ready in a meditative state, think about what I want to do or if I just want to explore and then relax relax relax... its when I forget about what I am doing that I find myself traveling. At first I'd think wow! I'm out and about and at that point I'd get so excited that I'd pop right back in body.. but now I still get excited about it but can still remain in the groove so to speak.
Many of my obe experiences appear as a conscious event to me by waking up in a dream state. At that point I am..another of myself is all I can explain and in complete control over what is going on. I these events I usually am in another reality or a different time and hae a purpose for being there.
hope this helps
waterfall


#30

Hi Tom, I know how you feel about your friend. I'm second level reiki and fifth facet seichim also active in some tantric practices. So I am able to generate a good amount of energy...but I got my friend into healing practices also and he's a reiki master now. He's totally awesome at it and helps me with clearing and pain on a regular basis. We're also into channeling and he's developed his own way of channeled healing that's very interesting to experience. He's just started putting himself 'out there' so it will be great to see what it develpoes into. I don't think that I could do the things that I do without the balance that he assists me with.  I pick up a lot of negativity with my job in hospice care. Sometimes I pick up entities or attachments that want to leave the dying person because they don't want to be involved with the death process. I'm one of those people whos empathic nature hurts :)  I've been quite pleased about my inquiry... I guess spirit reads the boards too *grin* I've been getting some clear pictures of the others that I do obe work with..two so far.
Thanks so much for replying I was starting to feel a little lonely :)
namaste
waterfall



#31

I can remember being out of body when I was a child and it really scared me. I can also remember bleed throughs of pastlife memories that would make me scream for my mother to come into my room...such as fires, burning, tornados and intruders :) Poor Mom:) She didn't get a lot of sleep.
My first real out of body experience that made an everlasting impression on my life was a walk out experience when I was seventeen. During a group meditation I decided that I was ging to walk out because I couldn't go on anymore...and so I did. It's a bit of a long story but I decided to come back as there were too many people relying on me to interact with them in this life. Now that I'm older I can see why:) Since then it's all been sort of a blur lol
namaste
waterfall