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No iam proud he had a oobe and got a chance to excape the harsh reality of the world. If we all lived in a oobe would there be wars?? murders?? starvation? diseases? Any one who can go to a oobe Now knows how trully beautiful life can be. Ive aped all the time when i was a child. I rarely get them as much as i do now that iam 18 guess i have less energy now so i need to practice on them. Like any thing else if your dont practice on that certian skill over time you will get weaker in it [xx(]

Ok maybe i said it wrong but what iam really trying to say is if sleep walking is a branch of dreaming/sleeping then why cant a oobe be too??

Threatning ?? how did i ever threaten a persons phyisical being?? syke please do your self a favor and remove this site from your favorites.

syke why dont you just cancel your registration because me and the fellow apers were having a interesting disscussion here and no one here was arguing you were just trying to add flames to the fire. Please remove your self from these boards.

Syke the truth can be harsh some times. instead of facing up to some ones opionion you rather have them leave. Syke some one of your standers doesnt belong on a message board. A board is for opionions and disscussion not a one sided point of view which every one agrees on.

Syke or is it that i maybe comming to a conclusion to what a oobe is. iam not posting any thing negitive. Iam just saying what a oobe could possible be. I never doubt it could be spiritual but imo i think its more close to the dream realm. If more people started posting there ideas to what a obe really is and what they beleve it is then maybe one day we will come closer and closer to the answer.

Now we have sleep branch - dream -  sleep walking to - oobe. i beleve in a oobe we are dreaming and seeing around the area of our homes while walking and being uncounsious then we pounce back into our original sleep spot (the pull back of a oobe.) Sleep comes in many forms and a oobe is just an advance form of sleep while dreaming is the basics.

Now i finally counter your counter with the power punch.  How about sleep walking. We can walk and focus while being unconcious. Thus this is another realm of sleep. Sleep has so many secrets and branches that it would take 100 life times to uncover all the secrets. Sleep walking in which i find more interesting then oobe. A guy acctually drove to his brothers house perfectly which was like 30 miles while being unconcious.

Hum AP makes the goverment and psychics and all these wierd people money.. thats why they wont tell you the truth that a oobe is another bracnch of the beddy byes. Here il make a simple chart for you to show you the layers of both dream world and phyisical realm.

Falling asleep - which branches to - dreams or oobe depending on how much energy you use. Sleep can also branch into a Non existent realm in which you use so much energy your brain has just stop focusing on creating images so you have no dreams no oobe you just black out and restore energy.


Now we come to the phyisical realm we have - Daydream / trance to death to what i like to think is the real spirit realm.

Spirit realm - soul dispatches to heaven or hell.

So that means the projector robert saw never left the phyisical realm thatthe spirit he saw was still in the phyisical realm?? how is this possible?

"No I'm not. Look closely. The person saw something in an oobe they didn't previously see and had no knowledge of seeing. I.e., the projecter in the Robert Bruce example saw Robert Bruce wave at him. Robert Bruce really did wave at him. There's no way the projecter "ould have known that Robert Bruce waved at him unless he was out of his body at the time. Similarly, there's no way an AWAKE Robert Bruce could have seen the projecter in a different room than the projecter was sleeping unless he was out of his body.

Lemme say it one more time. Robert Bruce, who was not sleeping, saw the projector who was "sleeping" in the next room over, come through the wall. Robert waved at him. A minute later Robert walked over and found out that the guy really did see Robert wave at him.

So again, how could Robert (who was not asleep) see a projecter come through the wall if the projector can't actually leave his body?"

Black come on now. Heres where ima hit you with a one two.. how is it possible that robert had acctually seen this person in the phystical realm. When the projector was in another realm? If its true robert saw the projector then it blows the theory of other realms out of the water. WHen we project we no longer stay in the Physical realm. Only the projector could have seen robert, robert cant see the projector.

Unless i personally see robert fly to my house with xray vision saying hes superman, wait, how much do roberts books sell for again??

drinsonomo i dont crack down on peoples opionons but what you just said made me realize there is no such thing as oobe and possibly made me gave up on humanity. Oobe is there it is real iam not denying it what iam saying is it is more of a offspring to the dream realm then it is to any thing then the spiritual realm.

Hows this i will say i fell asleep and saw my friend oobe infront of me i wright a book about it and then you can pay me money.

You guys are just restating the same questions i have been answering. I told  you when you see the thing in a oobe that you can see later is that your mind stores the last thing it has seen when you lose energy. When practicing a oobe it takes up so much energy that the mind only can now reach this realm of where it will project the only thing it sees before you shut down. In other words ive been trying to project all night and i finnally get it, now to get there you must use alot of energy.

Now i dont let my body go to sleep for me iam manully doing it which requires more energy. So now the brain can not function properly so it will project everything you last saw in the physical realm instead of creating its own image. This is were a oobe takes place.

There are many realms in dreaming too. Only realms i came across are

The day dream, The unconsious dream , the blank dream and the oobe also the sleep walk.

another thing how can you explain if i dream of something in adream and it comes true later that day??

What you are discribing is the word , Know it all not a person who is immature. A person who is immature makes fun of people on the boards and can not be controlled very disruptive and tries to be funny.

Ok but no matter what we can not leave the first realm. No possible way even through a projection. We can only reach the second realm through death. Even in the bible it mentions other worlds and realms. The bible never mentioned we can jounry through these realms by means of projection. as the phyisical realm has realms so does the sleep/dream realm and i beleve a oobe is another branch realm off the dream realm not the phyisical.

The word maturity is used so much these days its lost all meaning... whats your definition on maturity.

Since were talking of people of the past i would like to mention the native american, Sitting bull. Who DREAMT not had a oobe of custards troops invading wounded knee.

Im not trying to change any ones P.o.v on this topic, its like making them change their religon. What i mean is that guy that told me they saw their dad or parents in their oobe did they tell you when they woke up that they saw you?? The true spirit can not leave the body until both the brain and the body are unconsious and that is not possible until we die.

OObes are just another level of a dream. Another realm of a dream not another realm of a spirit realm.

St paul? are you catholic because iam christian and the only way it seemed to achieve god is by prayer and or having a good life and faith then dyign to meet god in the eternal after life.

Again i dont want to make any enemies on this board, I just want to post my theory on what a oobe can possible be. No one really knows for sure, its like asking the square root of a million []

Also pauls spirit was lifted by the will of god, Paul was not practicing oobes.

"use your spell check" I would just like to say even the simplist of human minds can make out even the hardest typo, science had proved it.

Ok ok, i will also agree in a oobe state i can see my room totally as it is in the physical realm, but as i stated before you are not letting your body do the sleeping for you, you are letting your mind do all the work. Like i set a example about the cars, You drive a car they can come in two forms, a stick and a automatic. Driving a stick is much harder and driving a automatic is much easier. Driving a stick is like having a oobe, Its  hard to learn but once you learn it its a much different experence then a automatic.

But stick and automatic have still the same function and that function is to make the car go. Now we go to oobe and dreaming when you let your mind do all the work things get so unclear and using all your energy you will not be aware of you losing so much energy you will see somethign right before you go to sleep and since you used so much energy your brain cant focus on images then other what your brain has seen last. So instead of creating its own image it iwll just create the last saved thing it remembers jotting down. So the last thing you see is your room, so when you wake up out of the dream/oobe you will be thinking to your self, Damn i seen all the exact stuff as when i had my oobe.

But acctually, your brain is sending you the last known image since its low on energy, but now that your in your sleep and your brain can store more energy you can now go to and create different places.

Also boats you said something about predictions.. i dont remember any one able to tell the future in a oobe. Usually you hear people saying they dreamt of something happening in a dream and it came to past in the real life. I never heard of this happening in a oobe. If you ask me The dream is the true spiritual realm in which all are answers are givin before us we just need to solve the dream to find out the answer. Kind of like a multiple choice test.

And boats, i beleve in life after death. The only True oobe occurs when the body totally dies and the brain also dies releasing the mind totally. Making the oobe you beleve in and the dreams vanquish for ever and in this new state we reach a new level of spiritualness