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I asked him "What would Jesus use, 44 or 9 mil?"

lmao 

prayer or cast spell.

asking for guidance or divination.

isnt it all same in essense ? 

anyone have some bit more on it than:

and lucifer rebeled and was thrown out....


thanx
R

aye...

good book Blood Song suggested to me:

Donald Michael Kraig
Modern Magick: Eleven Lessons in the High Magickal Arts

nicly explaind inside

*LightProtector* -> Lucifer was originally a Latin word meaning "light-bearer" 

yes we are all lamers, and must except your dogma or be dammned.

lets us then repent just to be 'saved' or colonized.

meep meep - iROBOT, iRELIGION.

religion in the end is just someones interpretation of god, the source, the force etc etc.

one must find one's own personal truth in life, but remember you personal truth isn't always applicable to others.

do you make your own choices in live or are someone making them for you, are you actually living or
just following some book / religion / believe / person blindly ?

in the end who you are, what you believe in matters not, its the way that you progress or improve youself
and being in balance with youself and others....

an important thing to remember is that, yes that its easy to bad mouth something rather than being the
change it self than to see all their faults.

all ' holy books ' as it is still hold some good ideas that can follow and learn from if one is willing not to have one eye for
interpretation but use both eyes.

some people would find it surprising that the person they deemed as evil just because he/she seems to believe in nothing
or are different from their system can some times be more spiritual than they ever can or will be. just because he/she don't
conform to one system of believe or are not being able to categorize that person doesn't mean he/she isn't spiritual or
have no knowledge of what is 'right' or 'wrong'.

when one has attained enough truths from a system(s) to move away from its limitations is a necessity to attain a even greater
understanding and spiritual level.

from my experience things such as categorizations and systems only limits my growth both mentally and spiritually. I don't see myself fitting into a certain belief system anymore nor to any specific system for my truth comes from broad spectrum things. true knowledge
always comes from within it is how you apply this interlace that shows wisdom.

only you have the power to walk apon your path, only you can discover what is needed for the journey no one can
walk the path for you.

will you take the path thats laid out, the path that one don't have to question - jump in and just float with the others OR will you
start seeking out the truth in all matters, the path less travel the one thats full of difficulties.

-----
my 2c hehe

be blessed,
-R

when to perform it ?

morning, evening or both - is it good to follow up with middle pillar and then start 'magic work' / meditation or
from lbrp directly start with what ever was the intention ?

good mage == daily ritual practice, theory study, physical excecises and mental ones (like visualization)...
something as described in  Golden Dawn Probationary Work: http://www.ritualmagick.org/Golden+Dawn+Probationary+Work

talking now in baby steps here

blessings,
Ryu

just a number, and btw i think it points to sophia (wisdom)
666 = 18 = 9 = wisdom something

well im not uber shaman level its a continuation study for me i really find it to be hmm close to my spritial vibration...


i still need to build up my collection though. current what i have is:

current book(s)
title: secrets of shamanism
author: Jose stevens & lena S Stevens

website
www.shamans-cave.com


as far as i know, its called West African drums - i have 2 24cm and 26 cm diameter, trust me on this one the bigger the better cuase after while your hands gets sore on the 24cm one just where your fingers is connected with hand that parts gets allot of beatin

awesome to write to fellow shamin-intraining or just interisted person in drumming

Leyla.

for that matter i can make myself a magick pizza of protection and just eat it when i feel like something needed

just object with an enchantment nothing special realy  

logic, I've dome shamanic drumming its very interesting. in basic essence its a repetitive beat you do with combination of deep breathing. When in a drumming circle the whole circle can do same beat and switch to different beats, there's also of course the combination of beats at same time but must fit in on each other timing and not sound like random crap though

where i use to drum we start with same beat, then group A plays beat A and group B plays B, certain time we stop and the lead drummer so to say with another lead join in on a faster more hmmm (hard to describe though) intense ubernating beat that surly kicks in the pants - if by this time you're not tracing its be really surprise.

anyways you more or less talking about a *gets out shaman book* shamanic journey with beating of the drum (thus at this point inducing a controlled trance like state).

the drum is awesome tool for this - which I'm sure you can use the drum for magick related yet but owell not sure yet how to.

i am however skilled in the west African kuku beats  1 - 3 hehe


blessings,
Ryu

well heres my dream from last night really odd one but it has a strange things in it but does it means something at all


i was at a university waiting for my girlfriend, who then arrived from class took a car with my friend and drove off. I then persued them in my car - strange that she missed me but owell continued at very fast rate throught the traffic which was picking up and so was my speed. I avoided first 2 accidents that happend in the road ahead of me, but then got killed in next one as i when through it.

then died and whent on as a dead person to a strange place where you could see if you could go back to life as it was before you died. i tried but got the message from the console (lol was button you press if you want to go back) that every one wants to go back but can't just very few can.

then from that searched what it ment to be dead and what awaited me from that point onwards since i couldnt go back. All i got was that i will have ±15 days to be around earth as a spirit and then had to move onto the next plane.

from there i was all sudden in my house on my moms lap asking here if she can see me which she replied that she can and could always seen me cleary, but i wanted her to point at my face so i could knew she was really seeing me. then at that moment awoken by alarm...

what a weird dream - had few good laughs about it but hmm tad strange to go about what it symbolically could mean.

dont have any problems with my gf atm, in fact we becoming better and closer to each other and same with my mother though - nothing bad there as well.

blessings,
ryu

[James S]

James S

We are here for open minded people who are searching for their OWN truths, not for people who have become mentally enslaved by some religion and feel it their duty to tell everyone that their religion is the only right one and everyone else is wrong

Ryu

There is of course good in everything. you can take the good from a religion. look at their teaching and further your knowledge even make it a way of life, but one should not let it become a Safety Blanket, Comfort Zone or only stability on your life.

once the safety blanket is threatened one tends to defend it. Once the comfort zone is being shaken you would want to take the shakes away. Hence lays the problem of religious conflict.

One does need a comforting place a stable zone or something when everything seems new/unstable/uncertain it helps to get through it i don't think though that religion should be it tho.
(this maybe only if you don't have a strong will yet, never give up thing)

strange that preachers tends to say "one should get out of your comfort zone and do something" what is it in truth ? getting out of religion, opening your mind wanting to look at those "you may not this or that" for really why - wanting to change...

change isn't taught be easy but it is - its when you locked into a comfort zones, safety blanket that its hard to get out of it - take the step into the unknown ! (learning to trust your inner voice)

there is definitely no such thing as "I am this way and cant change it" - that speaks of total robotization - one of things that religion tends to do.

lol not sure if this makes sense at all but what i pondered so far....

Blessings,
Ryu[/code]

i can post my vid. but it including having my finger close to the glass which i dont like and its not showing my face. so im am doing 'power of cencetration' ebook after which ill do it without fingers, hands etc etc making the whole thing and having my face in the vid with my ID...

your beliefs == how you would experiance life

if you have small believe you will only experiance small stuff.

in RSA we could have a nice prophecy for 2006/2007

512k uncapped adsl 'broad band' will not cost ±$282 p/m

hehe zonk! @ our local dsl prices hehe

its like average ±$132 p/m for about 10gig cap on 512k line

owell soon it will change

ryu

is there really a need for religion?

if its all man made interpretations, rules and regulations then without it would we all be free to live as people and not robots...

less bloodshed ?

Peace, love and blessings,
Ryu

                                             

CTFTraveler...

ok read through it, i must start when i read the bible not to take it up so literally tho...

i am becoming more and more on the idea that it should be taken as a guide and not black on white, that one should take the good from it and the warnings and live life to become your own person to your fullest potential
seeking out the truth in all matters rather than living by the bible as a robot.

...one should look at the teachings than striving to be the person.

what u say on gnostic Christians if one can call them that ?


wohoo double post



blessings,
ryu

Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

hehe that sounds like yoda speaking all in backwards English

anyways that's all figuratively - unfortunately god don't have gender same with holy spirit/spirits/angles etc etc. you don't see them needing genders anyways they don't need to produce do they ? or are they all asexual ? heterosexual ? homosexual or bisexual ?

-> those are things given to them by men for men so that they can associate with them for example the fact that angels came down because they saw the woman was beautifully and made children with then and out came the giants (sounds allot like men who cant control their urges and thus thing all things must be like them even the high evolved spirits)

just saying something is wrong or so without proper explanation is not proper way - quoting from bible or some phrase. can't just say for example don't have sex before marriage or ye will burn in hell. there's obviously more to it than just that if you want to do it you should with correct person and have the financial backing if there is a child conceived.

anyways aside with that.

one thing i always wanted to know whats the deal with Abraham's 2 sons
one becomes Islam and other goes into Jesus's line. maybe remembering it wrong now from Sunday school tho.

2nd question (hehe i know i should keep it to one *hides from Beth*) when heaven is described having streets of gold and crystal see is that symbolic or literal and is there some meaning to it or it just is...

blessings,
ryu

CTFTraveler... thanks for response. ill ponder throught it

mustarseed

PS I forgot, another nail in my coffin, we believe the Holy Spirit is female

how can a spirit/entity/deity/god have a gender ?

blessings,
ryu

cool read

my bad...

Blessings,
Ryu

Also, if any non-Christians have questions regarding the religion that they have never understood, ask away! (But BE NICE about it!)

i have questions

1. why are all the key points in Christianity being taken by men - angels, god, prophets, Jesus etc etc

2. it is rather noticeable that all those are also and always drawn as concasion white

3. why is god in old testament different from the god in the new testament

4. in essence is divination and magic really different from prayer/asking holy spirit or god for knowledge. the prophetic stuff

5. can one really discern from other person speaking on tongues what he is saying.

6. how different is magic from miracles

7. why does god need us

8. why does god need worship

off the topic maybe but why does this type of religion have similairities to all the other virgin-only-son-become-god, what does it mean towards it ?

9. gospel of Tomas, was Judas a hero or and why is the bible made up the books in it. doesn't all the Christians then become catholics in that sense reading and believing from the same book.

10. the other one - why and how did reincarnation start, that bit make me understand it bit more.

11. whats the original sin thing, becuase of that we reincarnate.


those are few tho...

blessings and peace,
Ruy