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Have you ever watched Stargate SG1 on T.V.? Maybe there is more reality there in fantasies than there is fantasy in a lot of those reality theories. The 7 chevrons around a portal to space and time and the serpents of ancient Egypt, or could that be the raised Kundilini awareness? Also 7-Days that was started by project H.A.R.R.P., HAARP is a real place http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/haarp.html or just go to HAARP.gov and read about what they say they are doing. The material they post now is not what they posted 10 years ago. Sorry I'm starting a conspiracy theory.
Makes me wonder where the division between fantasy and genius lays?

Your right even Steven Hawkins just recently backtracked on his black hole theory, but have you ever played music? Well pluck a guitar and watch how it vibrates, there is a natural order of vibration wavelengths. You might as well ask why there is 7 notes to a chord?

Greetings All:

I am having a little trouble following on in this thread but from what I surmise I agree with both, as it sounds like the analytical and the artistic hemispheres of the brain arguing perception to the consciousness.

I think JoWo wrote

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The problem will be with people with an insufficient, inadequate or no spiritual foundation. As for my view of both secular and religious types who would experience this "rapture", right now it seems that a lot will simply die from the experience. The folks who think they are "rapture ready" for instance, are in for one hell of a surprise. They'll be among the first ones to "burn".

I am sure how you mean this but I can see it happening. In my younger days I awoke the kundilini within and became able to awaken the kundilini in others with a touch and have seen lives come apart and die. It was without proper guidance and understanding some people have had a lot of problems with the awakening. It is like in Plato's postulate of this world being a shadow of reality, when the id and physical become one in the conscious hell breaks loose.

Red Dragon wrote something that caught my eye in this thread, as it is also what I do:
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We are working on how to do this. But we can't seem to get around going through the "zones" of "omniscience and omnipresence" which is where screw ups occur. Its a poser allright. We even designed and built (based on my Kabbalistic drawings - I've decoded a lot of the ancient tech.) a combination kundalini/caduceus circuit that would activate one's crystalline brain structures. The same result of having to go through a spritual awakening occured.

The caduceus circuit I thought was on a metaphysical level with a shaman and this sounds hardwired. If so, no way would I get next to that thing. I don't have any problem building computers but that is out of my league. I'll stay with my laying on of hands and sending someone to when or wherever chosen.

I think JoWo this is your postulate that we are hard wired for a spiritual awakening, have you ever thought that maybe that is because this is not the first one or second or even the seventh. Homer in his writing of Atlantis alluded to tales others told that the earth had gone through many such epochs.

I do like your Holon Principles, and really relate to the holographic imagery of a tree at various degrees. It just seems that through my raised kundilini my understanding of the division of dimensions is disappearing. I'll expand this a little, it goes back to the two great forces the immovable perfect and the irresistible perfect and the what happens when they touch. That was the beginning and here we are in a war with; the immovable the singularity of existence, the first dimension the irresistible force, infinite dimensions everywhere at one time.

The elegant string theory is a good place to start. In quantum physics every string is the smallest moment of time, or it is an event horizon of time. In this quantum world one side of the string (actually the center it just looks like the other side) would be the singular point of existence and the other side world be a specific time or space. In as much as that point of singularity within that quantum string is the same point in all quantum strings throughout the totality of existence. This would be the bottom end of our universe or the constraint of one end.

Where we are now is living on the event horizon, we are only surface dwellers walking on the membrane of the micro and macrocosmic experience. Living in tangencies of multiplicities in a 2 dimensional world. Like within your explanation of the Holon crystal except we have continuity over multiple planes. That tangency is the singularity that is every thing and everywhere. In a short time we are going to have a reality shift, like in every atomic particle there comes a time of quantum fluxation, as we will pass through an event horizon.

The upper limits of eternity or this cosmos is limited by the restraints of the giant black holes. It would seem that when quantum strings pile up or get to close or forced to touch each other the individual time and space signature is lost and what was two now is one. This reaction goes on and on like some mystical radicand splicing all those elegant strings together. At first just a small hole in our space then a rift in our space-time continuum a giant black hole is born.

This would make the center point of all black holes a doorway to the same point and all singularities within a quantum string the same point.

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hey yall.. i jus starte with this forum thing,.. ok well iv been tryin to do teleknesis and today i started the toothpick on waer... and no fan is on or anything.. but i like.. KNOW im not movingit.. it like movces by itself..is it possile for the water to like.. not be flat? im soo confused!!PLEASE HELP ME SUCCEED!

You are right water is not flat! Fill a glass all the way to the top and drop a toothpick on it and it will float to the center.

I do it with magnets on a psy-wheel or a compass works just as well. Feeling air or a difference in heat is just a way of changing focus. You're making your motor neuron system work in a different way, looking for new type of information to send to the brain. You have to start somewhere.

I am surprised no one has made a post about trying to prove this has real physical effects. Excuse me for using the term "real physical," as that is a subjective term related only to perception. In particular when you are using you hand to try and feel vibrations a small electrical voltage can be measured. You can think of this, as we are all bio-electromagnetic machines. We do produce heat, electrical forces, and magnetism. Using the psy-wheel is a good way to define and control your natural energies.

There is a program on TV that explains some of this process NOVA: Secrets of the Mind: "NOVA profiles the work of eminent brain researcher Dr. V. S. Ramachandran, who studies patients with bizarre neurological deficits. A fan of Sherlock Holmes, Dr. Ramachandran finds simple but intriguing clues that reveal the deep structure of emotion, perception and consciousness."

This program a scheduled to be on a PBS network station June 12 and 13, check local listings in your area.

From this program you can see that the motor neural network becomes very active in a specific way. As in the hand, you are asking for information through tactual sensation. The more you ask the more neuron activity, the more activity, the more energy, heat, electric, magnetic, or beyond. Think of it as creating an electric dynamo in your fingers and that creates a magnetic field. With practice this field extends farther and farther from the body and anyone that can see auras can also see this.

I might have a suggestion for those that are having problems in getting started. Make sure you're not iron deficient in your diet. Natural trace elements are important in the system, vitamins and minerals in the diet especially iron. To move on, with the antenna try not touching it. Move your fingers across the plain of the antenna at about the distance of 1/8 inch in a slow motion. In the beginning it helps if your fingers are moist, and because they are moist you can feel small amounts of heat or even air currents. Pay attention to any sensory perceptions you have, try to feel just the closeness of the antenna as your fingers pass buy it. It is a way of expanding consciousness and going beyond the diadem of everyday thinking. It is sending those electrical impulses down your neural network and the more you work with it the more it expands. As for me a sensual approach has a greater effect with the intellect giving direction.

For the skeptics, now go out and research what I have said and for those that need no explanation, spin on.

The idea of no fear in the astral plane is a great concept; so why perpetuate the fear, why interject an underlying fear that something is out there that will get you. To banish the darkness or to diminish the light, whichever way you, you have lost even before you begin to fight. Even R. Bruce adds fuel and fans of flames of fear. Don't quote me as saying I'm a Bruce basher because I'm not, I like a lot of the techniques he teaches. It is some of the things he has said and put to writing. "Core Image Treatment Instructions:

Sometimes you'll see the neg's behind the core images, once core images have been ripped away. Astral snakes and spiders, often with ET type heads, are common. Don't be scared, they are ugly but they can't hurt you at this time. They are the ones vulnerable and exposed. Take advantage of this to get some payback. Call up all the anger and rage you can and slog it out; and you'll win every time."

If in a manner you rip out a positive aspect you would see the same thing. This goes back to
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"and b) for some unknown reason finds projectors the ultimate prey whil at the same time describing astral wildlife as something that would be much easier prey. And there seems to be no purpose or goal to the actions of the negs."

Someone that has a fear of snakes of spiders, and most people do, this kind of statement heightens their anxiety level. These creatures are not NEGS and serve a great purpose in astral life.

This quote from R. Bruce has a definite underlying note of fear
"Floating Core Images:

Negative energies generate strange patterns and faces and objects in the mind's eye, seen most clearly during meditation and pre-sleep, where the sight centre of the brain interprets neg energies as ugly or strange floating images. I have come to habitually attack anything strange or ugly-looking in my mind's eye, with my sword and torch.

Really; beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and distortion is a matter of perception, maybe some of us have a slower processor and it doesn't load the page fast enough. I mean give me a break, I walk in both universes the light and the dark and they are equal and balance. When in AP I do not see light, that is an illusion, and a reflection of others idea of good and evil. There is no darkness either, see the energy for what it is. One universe is as the other, interchangeable, it is what you have been made to believe gives form to good or evil. Question your self as to "is it black or is it white."

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If you mean the results of a single journey, then very seldom, but in the life long path, yes. Even going to work I not sure what the day might bring, nothing is for sure, the future has it's course it depends if you stop to smell the roses.

If on the theory that in OBE's all things are of our own self-being, then what do you battling against, who will be the victor?

If you no consciousness after then where would I be, what would have learned, and what I did was nothing? The easiest way to begin in believing in a greater design of this world is to be involved in a life regression or experiencing a past life. People that go through this have knowledge of events that there is no possibility of them knowing in the conscious body. Speaking in foreign languages they have never learned and even speak in languages that are dead now. There is more to living and death than the few decades we call a live.