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Thanks, I'll try downloading them then... I might need a better ripping program because the audio doesn't always turn out ok unless I turn the volume down... Sometimes not even then... But I'll give it a go. I have a long list of BBs to try and yours are now on it 

Would they still work if you download the file from Youtube and rip the audio? I'd prefer to put them on my ipod so I can use them in bed, not by the computer, and I'm skeptical of mp3 downloads, from anywhere really... Thoughts?

I wasn't really sure what to make of it either. From what I understood from it, his theory is that a copy of your mind breaks off from the original, goes out and does whatever in the astral, and the only way you're going to remember this is if you manage to make that one dominant as it returns so that it replaces the original experience of the part that stayed in the physical. If you don't the memory will be lost and you will only remember what the 'original' experienced in the physical plane at the time. At least that's my impression of what he said.

I don't really know how these things work, so I don't know what kind of form the replica would take (would they need to have a setting where it makes sense for them to talk, or would they just appear in front of you and share what they want?) and whether the replica would have any sense of what's going on (I'm thinking probably not). I think the privacy requirement would have to be based on what we ask and what they're willing to share based on non-private questions.

I won't be aiming to contact the real consciousness though, just the remnants in the system... I could even accept just a generic ancient Egyptian priest rather than a specific individual, if that makes sense. The point is for it to be based on something real. I don't know who would be an appropriate target at this point, but I'm not sure how I feel about trying this with a living person... Being able to do this is still a ways off for me though so I guess I have time to think it over

I'm a bit of a history buff, so... My first choices would be ancient Egyptian priests, Greek philosophers and the like, maybe even a pharaoh And also just regular people, to see how they lived and how they felt about things, what kind of mindset they had. Especially people from tribes who were very in touch with nature - those things are so, so inspiring when they're done properly and respectfully on TV. I'm not sure that even exists anymore in real life, which is incredibly sad. But that's why I want to find out how to access these things from the database as they were - I'm not that interested in what my imagination can cook up, so it would ideally be something I could check afterwards. I guess we could pick someone and compare notes... How about anyone else? Aside from Marilyn Monroe and Bruce Lee, who would you like to meet?

@Xanth, for sure it would be interesting to do experiments on things like this! Unfortunately the main problem I see with it is privacy, so that would need to be carefully shielded. Of course I would stay strictly out of people's private none-of-my-business life, but I'm not sure I'd trust others to do the same for me in an experiment, sorry to say. Yes I have trust issues. If the guidelines were strict and actually followed, however, I'd be the first to sign up In order for it to really mean anything, it would need to be something unfamiliar that could be verified afterwards, so that it's not entirely explainable by expectations becoming reality. But it would be very interesting if done properly. As long as the privacy requirement is met, I'm in if anyone has any suggestions. That is, when my dry spell ends

Personally if I end up doing this it will be with the clear intent NOT to meet the 'real person', i.e. the consciousness wherever it happens to be, but a historical replica as they would be if I met them wherever and they agreed to talk to me. I definitely agree with you @sqprx about privacy, which is why I said I would only want to meet the non-private personality of the person. There has to be a clear distinction imo, so we don't cross the line. The replica would (if the theory is correct, that is) have the knowledge that person had at that point in their lives, and their personality and behaviour, and would react accordingly. If it annoys them to have people ask them questions then we'll just have to leave them alone But I'm definitely thinking non-private scenarios here, not jumping into parts of a person's life per se.

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It makes sense to me too, and it would be very interesting indeed if Tom is right. Like perfect storage of a person's identity, even without their consciousness present. I'd love to meet certain historical figures in this way (their non-private personality, of course - nothing intrusive) and pick their brains, see what they were like - and hopefully find some evidence to corroborate what I found. It's one of many things on my to-do list for when my ongoing dry spell ends

Good points Xanth... It makes me wonder though - if you can pull up a replica of sorts from the database, is that then a representation of what you think about Bruce Lee or is it based upon the real person enough that he/'it' could, say, teach you something you wouldn't know but Bruce Lee would have taught you in that situation? I.e. is it like a sort of 'clone' (in a manner of speaking) of the actual person that existed and that's accessible in the historical database, or simply a representation of our impression of them? I guess the only way of knowing the difference would be to experiment with a living person who's in on it and see what data could be extracted. Sounds like an interesting experience anyhow! Wow.

It might be just an advanced form of viewing what's in his imagination. But it's also possible that he's phasing or simply accessing 'the records', not sure if that necessarily involves phasing, but some people seem to be able to extract data when awake. Someone asked Thomas Campbell about this in an interview once and he explained that you can learn to do that using your intent, by practicing it until you know how it's done. Either way, that's a very cool skill to have. It'd be interesting to know if the information checks out.

One way of looking at it is from the perspective of people 'broadcasting' their thoughts, intentionally or not, and that's what can be picked up on. This is no conclusion of mine, mind you, at least not a complete model of how it works. But I've verified in practice (with other people physically present) that you can transmit thoughts that they can pick up on and vice versa. So it can be done intentionally. Then the question is, do people sometimes (or often, or all the time) do this unintentionally and that's why people might be able to pick up on their thoughts? Maybe. If that's how it works, then stopping yourself from inadvertently broadcasting your thoughts openly should keep things private. I've heard of people being able to block psychics from reading their thoughts even if they try, and the other person can tell they're being blocked... But I don't know for sure if you can do that in all cases or if thoughts are, in general, 'public'. I'd love to try that as an experiment with someone sometime and see what happens. If you find a good method for finding out, do let us know

Interesting approach!

Two questions, not directed at you in particular, just stuff that came to mind:

1) Why do you start off with delta if this is to be used by someone waking up? Aren't those frequencies associated with deep sleep, so that someone waking up wouldn't be that far 'down' at the time and might need a bit of a slope to get there? (Maybe I'm thinking about this all wrong.)

2) When I started reading I thought you meant to use this when going to bed - so putting the person to sleep properly first (that is, sending them to delta) then waking them up going all the way to beta and that this would hopefully wake them up in the astral. Would that even work? Interesting concept anyhow, and might be a new approach to night-time practices...

Would be interesting to try something like this and see if it works. Hopefully people with more experience using binaural beats will comment and let us know what they think...

@Gnome, that explanation went way over my head ( ) but the frequency given for binaural beats refers to the difference between what's in one ear and what's in the other. The actual frequencies used vary. Maybe you were talking about something else? (Can you tell I'm not very technologically inclined? lol) Anyway they seem to work well for some people. I definitely get some sort of effect even with my cheap (and kinda broken) ipod earphones... Although I can't say I'm a huge fan of binaural beats in general. Many of them give me a peculiar headache.

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Good post.

What confused me about the term "phasing" (quite possibly my fault and nothing to do with the explanations, I'll admit) was whether it referred to the consciousness shift i.e. basically teleportation out of the body, or the technique I've also seen referred to as "noticing" (from the beginning until fully out). At first I thought it meant the latter. Still not really sure and I'm not sure people use the term in the same way.

I agree it would be useful to have consistent and intuitive vocabulary to distinguish between the classic astral body projection vs the consciousness jump method of moving around and getting out in the first place. It's confusing for me and I've gone through the process before - I can only imagine how confusing it must be for beginners.

Haven't experienced anything similar, but that's very cool!

I know some people have heard unfamiliar but very beautiful music in the astral - maybe see if you can get it to play music that's not coming from you?

I agree that one should know what they are putting into their head.
You could try listening to it for the first time, one ear at a time. 

Yeah I thought about that too, then I could use the file afterwards if everything looks ok But it was hard to relax with that much chatter, to be honest... I'm glad it works for some people but I think I'll focus on trying out other binaural beats and isochronic tones instead (including yours, once I have good enough internet again) until I find something I like (or stop trying - so far I'm not a huge fan). I love recordings with water sounds, so it's not like I mind noise - it's just a much more pleasant kind of noise than voices... Even without other tones in the same recording, water sounds are awesome.

I sometimes have the same problem, especially around my eyes. That area can get far more tense than it ever does outside of practice times, which doesn't make much sense... Anyway, I've found that I actually get more relaxed from other things than relaxing one body part at a time. My eye area only seems to tense up when I do it step by step moving through my body. The only reason I still sometimes do progressive relaxation is because somewhere in the back of my head I still think I need it, even though I've seen many times that it's fine to drop it and approach it another way. Some guided visualisation and hypnosis recordings have gotten me more relaxed, and faster, than any progressive relaxation I've done (the best one was called The Dream Room, I think - it's on Youtube). I tend to find that just starting with the practice and basically doing what Genie said gets me relaxed very well fairly quickly, without the tension building up around my eyes. Feeling a wave of relaxation moving up and down my body for a little while tends to help too. Maybe try to forget about progressive relaxation for a while and experiment with other things, see what happens. Also, the more you practice relaxation - or rather, the more you do anything that results in your body relaxing - the better you will get at it.

Quoting this, cause it's worth reading more than once:

In addition to what's been said, it is my opinion that you may be paying too much attention to your body.  The idea for me has been to let go of caring what the body is up to, and just concentrate on focusing within.

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Ah right, I'd heard of those, just not the abbreviation. Interesting stuff. Thanks!

I have interacted with all different types of beings who have all given me various excellent pieces of advice. If you want to talk to someone, your best bet is to just practice hard to get good enough to visit the BSTs. Lots of folk up there.

If you don't mind my asking, Contenteo, what are the BSTs? I tried looking around the forum for it but couldn't find it so I don't know what it stands for. Sorry if it's a stupid question, lol

@Xanth, that's it, metaphors. I still don't know what the objective process really is - people experience such different things and different from mine. I'm not sure how to even tell whether how the process tends to work for me is a simple shift in consciousness (i.e. phasing) or a shift from one body to the other with me missing out on parts of the process...

So I'm hoping to figure all that out eventually. I'm familiar with 'my' process but it's kind of old data from before I stopped practicing, it's been at least a year now since my last OBE of any kind. These days I'm still stuck in the pre-blackout stages, but I haven't been at it that long. Just don't want to create my own answers. But it'll be interesting to see if the phasing approach leads to a different exit method than what I'm used to Sounds about the same but I'll have to see.

I tried this, but I really wasn't comfortable with the affirmations. Maybe if there was only one at a time instead of one in each ear... I've used hypnosis recordings before with good results but that allows me to register what's being said properly, so that if there's anything there I don't want I can block it. That wasn't an option here, so I'm just not comfortable using it - if I'm going to use a recording to attempt to get things into my subconscious, I need to monitor what it's saying, at least the first time. Plus it was just confusing to have one in each ear. It'd be interesting to try the same recording without the affirmations though...

Just to be clear also to avoid any misunderstanding (it happens), I'm fine with the notion that a lot could be going on during the transition process (paralysis, vibrations and whatnot) that we might not experience consciously. So maybe different people just have different symptoms of the complete picture of what happens... I just never particularly thought of that as a problem in itself, just stuff that goes on while I'm not paying attention to it. But if it's such a positive experience, I hope to go through that process someday I've experienced parts of it, just not the whole thing like you describe from beginning to end with no 'breaks'.

The subjective/objective distinction is still difficult as far as I'm concerned. Maybe that's just the nature of it. Right now it just looks to me like it's all mostly different ways of getting to the same experience (ultimately), which will then be somewhere along the spectrum of self-made experiences to complete objectivity (if such a thing even exists). I'm pretty new to the concept of phasing but I've heard enough reports of verifiable experiences that I'm interested in the approach at least. If it works, it works.

May I ask why you call phasing subjective? I'm not asking out of disagreement, just curiosity

@Xanth: I was starting to suspect that may be what you were all referring to There's a lot of new vocabulary for me to take in - I'm more used to the astral body separation type talk than this, and all the focus areas are new to me, so yeah... Confused (Still can't quite wrap my head around the LD vs OBE debate either. So many opinions.) Thanks for clarifying. I think I need to scratch my head and read a little more to figure out what I've been doing, lol.

Thanks for your comments Todd. Blackout may be the wrong word for it - it's more like a clean transition between being in bed doing a practice and then suddenly being 'out' without having experienced a split, with maybe a split second of nothing inbetween (this is what I call a blackout, maybe wrongly). What happens next can be clear, or clearly dream-like. I always considered the lack of a separation experience to be a positive thing personally, kinda like teleporting vs walking to get to where you want to go And based on what all the phasers on this forum have been saying, I'm not so sure about the split thing anymore. Maybe it's all metaphors (yes I read/watch Tom Campbell too )

So far I'm not sure if any OBE can be reliably subconscious-free (and I would stress the "I'm not sure" bit here, this isn't a conclusion I've reached), maybe there's always room for some doubt, so my focus is on learning to know the difference. Self-created (however realistic) vs what's 'really there' and really happening. That distinction is what matters to me, other than that I'm not very mechanics-oriented.

@Embrace, I completely agree with you about the need to develop our understanding, we're completely on the same page there There's so much info out there... And even if we happened to pick the right one to believe, that still wouldn't be very useful...! What I found problematic about your first post was that you stressed that it was based on your experience, but then applied this to other people as well in a way that imo could be a hindrance if people think they need conscious SP but then don't experience it and think they're stuck until they do. Some people just don't seem to have it, ever, which doesn't invalidate how it applies to you, it just means that it doesn't apply to everyone. That's all. People will figure out their own symptoms soon enough, then that's how it works for them. Come to think of it, it's an interesting thing how much the experience seems to vary, so the little scientist in me wants to figure out why and what makes the difference Maybe we'll know someday

All I can say is I've never experienced paralysis, even when going straight from very heavy body-definitely-asleep states to wide awake. But I can't rule it out completely because I try not to move at all if I intend to keep going with the practice Maybe that's because I don't seem to be the 'manual exit' type, who knows... Whether my body is paralysed in bed or not when I'm 'out', I'm not sure I would even notice. I don't find it that relevant to be honest, since it's not part of what I'm experiencing at the time. But I've never had a problem snapping out of it by moving my physical body if I want to.

I've known other people who've had it and I've had the rapid strong heartbeat many times, so I think it might be a common thing - but it's never my physical heart acting up. It's probably just one of those things some people can experience during the transition that's perfectly safe, just distracting/scary/annoying/etc. Why it happens, I don't know. Maybe it's the chakra like some people say... Or maybe it could be the physical heart in some cases, possibly fear/excitement related or something.

If feeling your heart beat like that makes you nervous that something's wrong, that can put a stop to things. If it worries you then maybe you could get a hold of a heart rate monitor and see what your pulse is doing while this is happening. I've heard of people who have done this and their pulse was fine.

Sounds like the main problem for you is that it's distracting. Very understandable, it can get really 'loud' for me at times. So if that's the problem you're having, work on that. At least that's what's worked for me in the past - ignoring it, basically, and focusing on what I'm supposed to be doing (visualising, mantra'ing, noticing, whatever). Maybe acknowledging it for a split second then going right back. It's hard at first but gets easier with stronger concentration, similar thing to learning to ignore an itch. I read something in a post here recently about someone who used an affirmation for this sort of thing, about not letting it interfere or something - which I'm sure might work too (and blends well with the ignoring and re-focusing approach, bringing more mental 'force' behind it if that makes sense) so that's definitely something I want to try next time something bothers me.

Lots of people project without ever experiencing sleep paralysis - that much should be obvious from the experiences people share. Telling people not to bother attempting an exit if they haven't reached sleep paralysis (first post) can really discourage them - even though they may not be 'hardwired' to experience sleep paralysis in the first place - and lead to missed experiences. People can stay in bed forever thinking there's no way (been there, done that ) even when they could've had an OBE if they'd just played their cards right.

I just see it as another symptom that may or may not happen. Never had it myself and have had all my OBEs without it. We can't really generalize based on our own experiences ("X must be a requirement because I need X to happen to get a result") to predict what people will experience because we're all so different - if I were to generalise mine then people should expect some serious eye twitches, a strong heartbeat and a short blackout between the practice and the OBE itself... But of course it won't happen that way with everyone. But I do agree that sleep paralysis (as with most symptoms, really) is a good one to at least be aware of - I imagine that can be terrifying if people aren't prepared that it might happen...

Personal experience in this case only really verifies how things tend to work for that individual. I'd say just ignore, or at most passively acknowledge, whatever symptoms happen, to avoid getting distracted...

However, I'm curious - how do people know they're in sleep paralysis when they're trying to project? (I.e. when they're continuing with the practice and not when they happen to notice it from trying to move and being unable to. And that it's sleep paralysis, not just the body being asleep but wakeable.) Do they move to check if they can? Doesn't that risk ending the practice? Wakes me up in no time at all. Then I can try again, but still, like someone said, it brings me back to square one. Thanks Contenteo for your post, very clear. I've had many many definite 'body asleep' experiences (can move if I want), but no paralysis (can't move). Just trying to understand something I've never experienced... I don't really get how this works as part of an astral projection practice...

Thanks for the warm welcome guys