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Fenris

you put a smile on my face, yes, we are really saying the same thing but in different ways. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0> Take care my friend.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

Fenris

Sword in scabbard! Respect your post Fenris, and I have probably over reacted. Nice of you to explain it so clearly.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

MadJack

I contributed to the discussion Fenris alluded to. At first I wanted to know as much as I could before I gave my poinion, so I visited the sites listed, explored the research on sexual preditors and applied my experience of working with victims of sexual preditors.

I gave my opinion that Sai Baba, guru and GodHead to his devotees, may very well be one of these peditors. However, for Fenris to bring Robert's name into question is totally unconscionable. Robert has never been accused or possibly could be accused of sexual abuse in any form, Fenris, please, re-read the thread.

"The question being raised here is more concerning Robert Bruce's integrity rather than Sai Baba's. Regardless of what Sai Baba is or is not I find myself strongly opposed to insinuations that Robert is involved with child molestation or any other such hideous things."

Fenris - Robert's integrity or credibility is not the issue, and I would ask that you please retract this comment.

We all have the right to question Robert's expriences, comments and responses to posts, but that is the nature of a forum, to question and critique. If Robert saw what he saw, so what? If he believes he saw sai baba, so what? he is as entitled to his opinion as we are. Just because Robert wrote a book doesn't mean that he has set himself up as a guru, and he has never, to my knowledge, sought devotees or to be given special godhead graces. He comes across as human and fallible as the rest of us.

I am rather concerned that an innocent bystander has been dragged into a debate such as this.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

koshka

nice info re:Kennesaw, Georgia, I wonder how long things will stay sane? Where there is a firearm, there is always someone to pull the trigger I say! But if it works, and I do doubt it, then we should all do it. I will await longterm findings first, keep us informed, koshka.

'Soldier illness', poor bastards, I am sure not all of the Japanese soldiers helped in the terrible attrocities at Nanking, to the sensitive soul it must have been bad, but for the poor citizens, much much worse.

PeacefulWarrior - good post, yeah, keep it simple and straight down the line, mate!

Anyway, back to my line, no one should have guns without strict control. I wouldn't want one of those mexican prisoners climbing down my street either, so why build prisons near townships? We do screw things up well us humans.

Astralc



"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

cainam_nazier

If I had a gun in my pocket I would have shot Martin Bryant too, but my argument is that no body should have access to guns without first proving that they have a darn good reason for it.

The Martin Bryants of this world, and the two kids at Columbine HS, should never have free access to weapons, ever. And our society should have laws to protect us from those who wish it to be otherwise. To think that 'Moses' Charlton Heston, head of the Gun Lobby in the US, has such a sway over the US people that he can make everyone in the USA fear for their and their childrens lives because all you have to do to get a gun is pay the money at the counter.

As for Sharon Stone's The Quick & The Dead, the movie was a flop as it should have been!

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

Patty, Koshka, cainam_nazier, fallnangel77, Cylentpanthur

I appreciate your points, but I still stand by my convictions, no guns = no school shootings. Come on girls, we need more Patty's, this male phalic thing is getting out of conrol.

Sure we should all teach our kids how to handle things safely, but how many parents even know what their teenage sons get up to?? Not many.

How many yong males commit suicide by shooting, I think it is next highest to hanging, & that is in Australia. With guns so available, shooting suicides might be higher than the rope in the US.

I spent the past 12 months trying to help our teenagers at school deal with a shooting suicide we had - inside the school itself. It was not a nice experience believe me. So anyone who advocates free availability of guns on the open market, must be crazy.

Do you want an idiot like Martin Bryant living next door to you? A nutter who is allowed, by the laws of his country, to have an arsenal by his bedside waiting for him to flip out and shoot you, or your son or daughter? I don't.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

koshka

great post. As for draconian guns laws - when Martin Bryant took his arsenal of guns along to a tourist centre in Tasmania Australia, in 1996, and slaughtered more people than any other lone gunman in the western world, it was the people, not the government, who said "that is enough!"

He killed 34 people, women and children, it took a lot of action by the people to persuade the government to stop the average man on the street from getting a gun for no apparent reason than to shoot it off somewhere.

I don't think that anyone has the right to own a gun, hand gun or rifle. They exist for one reson only, and that is to kill. Our laws allow gun club owners and farmers to register and own a gun, and they must be kept in a locked cupboard away from kids.

We outside the USA watch with horror at how your elected governement allows people to carry and use firearms with impunity. It is almost a monthly act to watch an American citizen murder his school friends, this is just plain crazy.

Gun laws exist to protect us. You guys really need to do something to stop the blatant murder of your youths by guns.

Astralc


"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

Don't we all love a debate!

Over here in Ozzie land we used to sing God Save the Queen at our school assembly in the mornings. We stopped doing that about 30 years ago. Don't remember why, but for me it was a waste of good breath.

I agree with the majority of posts, and especially distant bell, why all the fuss?

Australia was founded by criminals and so we mostly shun and distrust religion, probably because it never saved those poor buggers on their way to the penal colonies. We don't have 'bible belts' and those sorts of God-fearing things here. Our worst religious cases waste away, because so few attend church these days.

Wasn't America founded by the Puritans and other persecuted religious groups in Europe? 'Give me your poor, your dispossessed religious nuts, etc' is what the statue of liberty says (I think it says something like that anyway)?

It is interesting that the comments are mostly from the US, we on the outside like to sit back and enjoy the fun. Good post! http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_wink.gif" border=0>

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

Robert

I agree with what you have said regarding kindalini. I have, like you, experienced many times the raising of kundalini, since 1981. Some of my comments have been included in this post. I have used traditional taoist techniques to do this which perhaps you have not heard of, or perhaps you have in your reasearch for this topic.

In my experience there was no opening of bowels, entities or initiations, perhaps that is just my path. It happens to me after specific movements of chi through the body and often at night when asleep when I OOB. Perhaps I have been doing tai chi for so long that I don't need entities or initiations, or maybe I am bs myself, though I know what I can and can't do.

I agree, there are so few people who can really do this, many talk about it but few walk the walk. It is definitely not a 'one off', it happens regularly. Some people experience it through sex and orgasm. It can change you, sure does, but it is not immediate enlightenment, just a great feeling with nice effects which can lead to enlightenment.

I look forward to your treatise on kundalini. I will email you too.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

alpha

They might open when you are OOB and visioning, but would suggest that you do your basic relaxations so that they can open of their own accord in time. I do suggest some Tai Chi or taoist forms of meditation to make it a bit quicker. It took me 13 years to open all mine at will, and that was using specific taoist meditations. As long as you don't expect a 'microwave' type transition from novice to expert in 60 seconds.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

Joe

just had to rub it in http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_big.gif" border=0>, enjoy your Melbourne weather, it is no different down here, cold and blowing its ring out! Typical south coast winter.

Enjoy your tai chi too, and promise that you won't give it up for the next 10 years, that way you will get its true benefits for the rest of your life. And you will be better able to enjoy your millions living in Noosa http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_wink.gif" border=0>

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

hi Joe

yes, a little slice of heaven! Culburra, ahh what a lovely place too, I bet things have changed since you were last there http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>.

I took a group of boys to Greenpatch Beach for some fishing, I run a Boys Mentoring Program at the high school at Bomo. We had the greatest time, caught some mullet off the beach and I had a nice little nap in the winter sunshine, no wind, nil clouds, kids busy fishing, ahhhh, yes, a little slice of heaven you bet!

Where are you now?

Just keep doing your tai chi and you'll become flexible for sure. Add some chi breathing and meditation and things will accelerate in all directions.

Kifyre, welcome back, sounds like you have come back to a tradition built for exploring and developing with new methods. Let us now how you go with it.

Astralc



"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

PeacefulWarrior,

good post, I have tried the hemisync tapes too and they are about the best on the market and can induce projections and other lucid states, so of all the tapes these would be the best buy. Nitetraveler, I forgot all about these ones when I wrote the last post, sorry.

However they, like all alternatives, have their limits, and I would recommend you try but not waste too much money on them. Instead get your brother to make his own too, he'll be surprised at how easy and effectice this is.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

amed_h

The definition of night terrors is that the child is generally unable to recall the nightmare afterwards, nor are they generally able to be awoken while in the middle of it. Although you both describe a nightmare, it might be a little different to the actual defined 'Night Terrors'.

Anyway, one of the causes of night terrors, from my experience working with kids and having kids, is that when the body gets overheated the head also overheats. This sets off halucinations which are almost impossible to stop.

As a parent I have two boys who used to do this when young until I found that they were really hot when they had them. I began to take their covers off as soon as they fell asleep putting them back on after about 30 minutes. They were deep sleepers, when they fell asleep they gave off huge amounts of heat, with the covers on they were basically inside an oven.

In the course of my profession I have spoken to many parents with similar problems. It seems to come with bed wetting, especialy with boys. Astrologically it is associated with a strong Pluto in their charts.

There are adults who do something similar. I worked with two older men who would strangle or punch their wives during the night and have no memory of it afterwards. Both were kicked out of their bed after their wives put up with this for some years and many bruises. I might add that there was absolutely no conscious reason for this, they loved and adored their partners. Even psychotherapy failed to find a cause or to resolve their problem.

It wasn't always attacking, sometimes they would yell abuse, other times they would physically dive for an imaginary ball and fall out of bed, etc. It was a puzzlement for them. So I tried the cold sleep bit, which worked up to a point, added a diet minus hot spices, that helped a bit too. Overall we were able to reduce the severity and the frequency of the 'attacks' but there were tmies when they didn't take their covers off and it would happen again.

Just thought I would add my experience here.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

nitetravler

I am a registered and qualified clinical hypnotherapist and psychologist, and have tried these tapes personally and with patients over many many years. My conclusion is that they work no better than placebo effect. If you want them to work they just might, but if you are uncertain, they will have no great impact.

The adverysiing makes them sounds fantastic, they really are fascinating, and appealing, to think that you can change your life with one tape, or two or three. Wouldn't that be terrific! But they are basicaly a let down. My advice is not to bother wasting your money.

If you really want to use tapes, make your own, with your own voice and background music. It is easy, cheap and can be modified as you become better at it. These ones work much better than the bought ones. try it and let me know how you go.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

Joe

you bet, it is the best way to learn to relax and to go with the flow of life. If you do take up tai chi then you will need to spend the rest of your life perfecting it, it is that deep and meaningful. As for kundalini / chi, it is there for you to learn about. I started astral travelling after 6 months of tai chi, so there is hope for you too.

I certainly recommend tai chi / dao yin chi kung as the path to enlightenment, but it costs, time and effort. Good luck with your development.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

Sorry guys for taking so long to answer your questions

the lady who went to Saturn, and now even I am confused as to whether she went there or somewhere else, like one of its Moons... she was truly psychic when in trance. I once asked her to enter my body when she was under, and I did some Tai Chi to try to trick her (she couldn't see me either). When she came back she was ecstatic that she had felt a tingling all over and especially in her hands. I know she was under, because no one drools like she did when in trance just to impress someone.

Back to her experiences, there was not that much to report. Mostly just driving around with the alien, some discussion about the factory for the flowers and that was about it. I'll have to go back to my files to read up what she did, I might have forgotten some things.

She did say that the flowers were special, and that the light inside the factory thing was too intense for her to go in, she had to be more advanced spiritually to see it.

Patty - might I add that your experience is common to mine at times. I have been out when I wanted to go the Sun (never tried the Moon), and have shot off at great speed, but I have never made it yet. I too come back to my body. Once I was woken up by my kids, and I was out there speeding towards the Sun and in ecstacy doing it. They woke me up by calling me and pushing me to wake up for breaky. When I got 'back' I felt like crap, headache and grumpy as... I was all out of sorts, it felt like my energy body screwed up and inside out.

Astralc



"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

cainam_nazier

thanks for sharing that importnat experience, it reminds me of some of the 'nightmares' I had as a kid. Reality sure is what we perceive it to be.

As for the scar on your knuckle, once when I was on the astral plane I tried to walk through a wall, I couldn't be bothered to open the door. But because I was in the astral plane, where things are solid, not like OOB on earth plane where you are like a ghost, I hit the wall and woke up with a sore nose and lips. No scars but your experioence could have happend on the astral and manifested in the physical.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

quant

I must also tell you about a patient of mine some years aback. She came to lose weight using hypnotherapy, but she was so good to work with in trance that she went on to do all sorts of interesting things.

She had a guide who took her to a planet, it was dark, not quite black but a Full Moon type light. Here she met a little being who showed her around his planet. They rode about in a vehicle that flew above the ground, slowly, and he took her to visit a plantation of flowers. Apparently they harvested the flowers for food or for healing purposes.

Each time she came back from there she had a running nose and sneezed a lot, allergic to the flowers. Anyway over many many sessions she found that the building where the harvester brought the crop was filled with light, so bright that she was blinded by it, her guide said that she was not allowed inside because the energy was so powerful that she would be harmed. So they spent their time together wandering about the planet, rather boring for me sitting in the chair but she loved it.

Eventually she asked what planet they were on, he said it was Saturn, of course, the light from the sun would be very pale, just as ske described it.

Astralc



"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

quant

the astral plane is a funny place, sometimes you are on a plane that is like a dreamscape, not real, but truly astral. Other times, OOB happens in the same time and place as your physical body, you can see yourself alseep.

Sometimes I have flown away from Earth and flown around the Moon and Sun, and into the universe, but haven't landed anywhere. At other times I have woken up in places so bizzare that they couldn't be earth but I have no way to determine where it is.

As for meeting entities, the only ones I meet are nice, positive and never threatening. I suspect that the people who report bad experiences are operating on the lower astral planes and are held back by their own negativity and subconcsious problems. I would suggest that they meditate more and develop their spiritual muscles before going out there where it can be dangerous for them on the lower astral planes.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

alchimiste

thanks for the vote, at 46 years of age my kids call me an old fart, but hey, I know a thing or two that they still dont'!

That was interesting about the Jewish tradition, didn't know that, but it sure is sound solid psychology in action to me. Good advice alchimiste.

Astralc


"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

tisha

you have described much what I have experienced at times, lifting out but halting at some part, like head or legs. Thats when I push my chi out through my body to separate completely. I think your description of floating off then coming back and asking youself what was that? is common too, separating earth reality from astral reality is not always so easy, as Frank has also said.

Your description of trying to OOB but not being successful until you had dropped off is also common to me. I most often OOB after doing my meditation and falling asleep, then I leave, when I am deeply and sleepily relaxed.

Just keep doing.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

alpha & Qui-Gon Jinn

yes, I have had panic attacks, went through a nasty time with it and learnt a lot about myself too. Thank God it doesn't happen now. And I think that this may be a major factor too, they are soooo draining as you said.

Qui-Gon Jinn - yep, I am also of the opinion that negs are mostly in the mind, if they do harm, as alpha said, it is only a small drain on the energy level.

The strongest people are those with a strong self-esteem, nothing touches them. So maybe work on your self-value, resolve some past issues then you become untouchable.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

cainam_nazier

yes, anything that was 'burned in' to the child's consciousness.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

Ides315

my advice is just let is happen. I have worked with families with psychic traits and their 'help' has been more of a hinderance.

Most kids have this ability, but slowly lose it as they get more interested in life outside. From my experience again, children who have well developed psychic abilities have generally had unpleasant childhoods. The more trauma they have had the more developed they are. They spend so much time hiding from trauma and fear, that they tend to escape by living in their imaginations. By reading books and imaginative play, etc. they avoid unpleasant situations.

So may I suggest that you and your wife go very slowly, because it is rather frightening for little kids, especially the third eye thing you descibed. I think that you are doing enough by providing a good positive role model of how an adult handles their abilities, he needs that information and role modelling more than training.

Go slowly and gently, when he is 21 years old, or older he will have the maturity and life experience to make his own mind up for himself.

On a personal note, I am sensitive too, but I don't want to impose this sensitivity onto my children. I raised them the best I could, now it is up to them to decide if they are interested in spiritualism themselves. I have found that they have shown more of an interest later, because I didn't push astrology and psychicism when they were young. Other families, where they did push, have turned their children off it. I hope this helps.

Good luck Ides315, raising children is the biggest lesson you will have in this life.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."