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Hey Mark! No, not waffly at all, very clear in fact - probably a lot clearer than my own enormous post!  

I can relate so well.
I too have problems with insecurity, shyness, self conciousness, making an butt of myself and just generally to being able to be myself comfortably.
And i too have experienced things where i would do or say something that i look back at (or even immediately) say to myself "Mark, you really suck...seriously... you suck"

Yeah, its horrible isnt it....and its very difficult to do anything to break your mind from this thought pattern when you are in the middle of it. And all the other stuff, those subconscious programs of shyness, insecurity, etc, I got them too - they are a real bummer...
But I am pleased to say, that since I started confronting issues with my technique, the whole spasm of negative energy thing locking up my mind, has pretty much vanished!! Its awesome!!! Am quite please with myself, dont mind telling you!! Now, when it happens at all, my mind might freeze up a little, but there is no negative energy there, and instead I am simply sitting there observing my mind and prodding it into action again (imagining rotary movement seems good - constant movement, no breaks).

Basically, this is my understanding of it (correct me if im wrong here or if im just repeating what you wrote).

I think your technique works well because instead of dwelling on how bad the event makes us feel and trying to forget it, we are basically focusing on it and clearing our concious mind of other thoughts to better allow our subconcious to process the event and store it away so we dont need to dwell on it any longer.
Our subconcious mind was basically procrastinating on storing it away because it wasnt quite sure how do deal with the situation?
Perhaps the nature of these events is so personal, our subconcious may need to be in the right condition to process it properly?

Yes, thats a really good way of putting it! And I might add that I have noticed that if you are distracted when in the middle of focusing on an issue, it totally breaks what you are doing, and you have to start again pretty much from the beginning. Which is very similar to meditation, where you keep your conscious mind focused on one thing or no-thing, so that the unconscious mind can carry out its processing most efficiently in the background. Interesting stuff! Have you had much success with the method btw? I am wondering if its something which is most personally useful to me, since nobody else here seems to have had much success    although I guess I needed it the most..

Rob

Oh Nay, I am not trying to give any advice on how to raise children, although I believe I am still closer to the age of the "child" than many here , and I still have my own experiences to draw on.

What I am trying to point out, has nothing to do with child rearing practices, but that peoples ideas on the whole "indigo" and etc issue usually dont come down to rational arguments, but to their own predujices for/against the very idea. Which in this case is then rationalised with stories that the kids are not beaten enough. Which is nothing more than a core concept/most accessible construct, and I might add obviously so, since the whole "unruly indigo" is just one very small facet of the whole indigo child thing to begin with!! So someone doesnt like the idea, picks out one small area that their mind recognises above all others, and use their own opinions on that issue to discredit (in their own mind) the entire field that very small issue came from. Which, not coincidentally, agrees entirely with their own personal feeling from the beginning ie "It's just so absurd..."

Basically, I am just trying to advocate a more open mind, and more internal knowledge of the reasons we say and think things sometimes.

When I see the description of Indigo, Emerald and Ruby children, I can't help but wonder if it's actually serious... It's just so absurd...

Which is, I believe, the core issue here..

Bear in mind that OBE and many of the topics we talk about here, seem totally absurb to much the majority of the western world. Some of the things I have seen in life, if I were to tell most people, they'd think I had gone completely mad! So I cannot easily justify thinking along this line with any topic, nomatter how silly it might seem at first glance.

I'm not really an advocate of physical abuse, but no kid will respect authority unless they are shown authority. A spanking doesn't hurt (much) physically, and it is a valuable tool when used in moderation.

"Anyway, whats up with the "kids of today" eh? Parents dont spank them enough, thats what!" lol purleeeez!!!!
Seriously, I disagree completely, with all of your post infact. Tell me you dont know, thats fine, or tell me its a wide range of things related to the progress of society and technology, thats great, but to pin it to one single thing like parents not beating their children enough? Come on....
I only ever got smacked once or twice, not enough to hurt just enough for psycholoical effect, and I dont think it made me respect my parents, just taught me a little fear. If they had "spanked" me it would have ruined the close ties I had and have with them.
Besides, each child is different, and every one of us is special.



Lola, not seen the movie, but it would probably cause me to projectile vomit everywhere and put a pickaxe through my TV, so thats maybe a good thing!   Hollywood  

Rob

Alpha,

What reasons, if any, do we have to explore space or step foot on other planets?

I am with Cainam on this, would be an excellent way of proving the who ET thing one way or another, which would have a rather large effect on the world. But also, its about the evolution of mankind as a species, the opening up of more possibilities, and the enriching of the living experience. Wouldnt it be amazing if you could choose to live life in space station orbiting Jupiter, then a few years later move to a enormous bubble on the surface of Mars, just because you could? In a way, the more positive things we can experience in life, the wealthier we become as individuals and as a species.
And the alternative would infer approaching stagnation, which would not be good!

Hey Cainam - in that avatar, you look an awful lot like that fella in Mythbusters  

Rob

Ah, you are talking about lifter craft I think. Hehe I did my final year reseach project on them   .
Well, there are some definately peculiarities they display. Most interesting are the fully insulated layered type designs in Brown original patents (name thomas townsend brown, if you like I can send you the patents), since this would seem to rule out ion movement. Another oddity is the increased thrust efficiency at certain frequencies, and another I identified is that thrust should be much higher when the wire is connected to the foil, but instead thrust drops to like 1/6th its normal setup value. Yeah they are often listed as AG a lot of the time but frankly thats jumping to conclusions a bit! IMO they are interesting and havent been researched enough, but a lot of their operation could still be down to ion movements. However there are some big problems with this model, which is the main hurdle in research. All the models we have are all very incomplete.
I dont think they can lift one or two pounds though! Like, max I have seen is a coupla hundred grams (and a small mouse   ). Power source  needs to be above 15kV, and ampage is in the mA region and below usually. Power to thrust efficiency is approaching, at best, half that of a helicopter I believe. Main reason they cant take off with supply is, as you have said, not enough thrust to carry a very high volt PS.
Interesting topic though, to be sure. Jean-Louis Naudin site has some of the best info out there IMO - http://jnaudin.free.fr (and lots of other cool stuff as well!!!!)

Hey Leilah!!

Great to hear the anxiety vanished - thats is whats supposed to happen, but as for the euphoric rush I dunno that could just be me! I am thinking that the anxious feeling reappeared because it was constantly being fed by a worry while in class? So, applying focus to the source of the worry might help.
Immediate issues/insecurities are certainly one of the hardest to sort out, so its a good start that you got anything at all.

Eh. I'm having some trouble! It seemed a lot easier when I first I read it. Like, it's hard for me to gather the feelings of the experience while watching the memory play in my head (is that what were supposed to do?). I can concentrate all I like but I can't get any emotions when I think back on these things. It's weird. Any suggestions?

Trying to concentrate on two things at once is very very hard, I can see why you would be having difficulty with this!!!
And well, I dont think you need to keep the memory playing in your head. Just take the feelings from the experience, face them head on and concentrate on them. You could try taking a snapshot of the memory also, give that a go, but IMO the feelings are the best approach, so they are the core of what we are trying to tackle. There is no need to constantly keep all visual and emotional pointers to it in your mind while doing this, recall them first but then focus solely on the feelings, probably the best approach. Your mind knows they are all associated, and where the roots of these feelings are, and will sort that for you to a large extent.

Hope this helps!! Thanks for giving it a go  

Rob

Lol!! Great post Dan, couldnt agree more with what you have said there.

I used to have a drug problem, nothing very serious. Mostly marijuana and alcohol, but I did use psychadelics and meth occassionally. Then I realized how addiction works, and I worked my way out of it.

Ditto, except perhaps it was a bit serious on the weed front. Its a very bad way to be in, and also a very, very easy trap to fall into (slowly slowly, like some sort of creeping weed). Seriously Donal, you probably heard before, but do be careful ...
So hey, what did you work out about addiction? I would love to hear your take on it. The way I see it, it undermines your own will. So it helps to say "thats not me thinking I need another smoke, damnit! I will not!"

Anyway, face yourself, stop getting high, lose some damned weight, and watch your happiness go up...OH, the the girl friend thing, I guaran-freakin-tee she'll appear.

Aye!! Said!!
IMO a golden rule is often, you get out what you put in. If you properly and actually will yourself in a certain direction in life, sometimes even if its only in thought/intent, wheels are set in motion which inevitably produce results.

Rob

You need some thing to push off of. Not to mention that the whole idea creates a energy intensive machine that simply could not be powered in space at this time. We lack the ability to generate large amounts of electricity while in space. Most space vehicles created use solar energy and currently the collection and storage of solar energy is not up to par to a point of it being useful enough to power anything large enough to hold a gravity generating device. Which is why all of our current space ships and the station do not have artificial gravity. Yes we know how to do it but it can not be done in space at this time.

Interesting. But we really dont know if anti-gravity would be a newtonian type reactive force or not. Personally I see little reason why it would be, but evidence from UFO stuff does seem to indicate this might be the case. In which case the actually mechanism of inter-planetary travel becomes radically different. For our puposes, we would probably use a type of setup similar to rocket boosters which drop away, only the initial thrust stage would be much more powerful and quicker. It might even be possible to create an AG beam from the ground. But the core of the matter is the craft would need a very short and intensive take-off, much like UFO's are seen to shoot off at incredible speeds.
Also, what antigravity are you referring to that requires enormous amounts of power? The only valid AG I know of is podkletnovs spinning superconducting disks, which are simply that. Very difficult material to make, but once made, they do not require an enourmous amount of power to operate (which presents some interesting questions about conservation of energy etc). Thrusts as a beam, but also seems to have the capacity to levitate the disk itself. Cool stuff.

Heh, thanks ! One other thing, when you feel the "lightness", dont drop your focus but keep holding it. I find the feeling spreads, and then kinda reaches a plateau or dissipates. And the focus should be as uninterrupted by other thoughts as possible   .
Cheers!!
Rob

Battousai, this post is old!! Please quit resurrecting ancient topics for no apparent reason, mmkay?  
However, ancient though it is, I am still gonna move it to its appropriate location. Where it can be reburied quicker.

Wow, er, you sound pretty out of it!! Well done  

To be honest, IMO the best places to meet a nice ladies are the clubs. Try a lot of different types of places too! Example, my favourite in Bath, metal/alternative club. Out with mate/mates, get hammered and chances are good I'll find myself chatting to randoms. But the more trendyish/stiggy("chav") places, people are less approachable and will approach strangers less.
Just getting used to talking to random people will help a lot, and will introduce you to a lot of new people, which is GoooOOOood. The more people you can meet, the better!! So also consider various joining groups/clubs (lol yeah the other sort of club, and I dont mean a 3ft  wooden one!). Get involved in the social scene! The more you can expand and open up your social life the better.
If you are looking for a princess, thats great. If you are looking for experience, thats great too! Good luck
I went out with a little angel for about a year and sorta more (she went to uni we had to split). Met her in my fav club, rather blatted, talked to her for about 2 minutes before getting intimate   . About a week before I prayed to God to find me a nice gf to love. Worked!!! Curiously, if we had both not been drunk it probably wouldnt have happened. The benefits of alcohol!! But yeah the praying thing....could be worth a go!

Rob

Thats a really cool story, thanks for sharing  

Hehe I have ninja trained fingers - quick as lightning!! Its all good   . Seriously though thanks for reading!! Your eyes must have hurt too by the end  

Ryuji - LBRP, good plan! I have had one or two powerful experiences with that ritual. Personally I tend to use my method all the time, as soon as a painful memory, feeling, or thought comes up, but I would also like to try sitting down in meditation and going through my entire life in my mind, and applying it to every negative memory that comes up. Let me know how you get on!

Squirrelly - interesting, what you describe is very similar one of Robert Bruces methods I used to use, ehh core image removal thats it. Since I got this method going though, I have come to the opinion that real core of these methods is powerful conscious focus, aimed at a single representative thing - in your case and RB's a picture, in mine a thought/memory/energy form/mind sphere collection.
Btw RB's method was to make the memory into a representative picture, turn it over (breaking any connections on the reverse of the picture), slashing it up with a sword, and then burning it with a flaming torch - and maybe sealing it with a sacred symbol. But ahh, too much extra for me to make it an inbuilt reaction - I just focus on the memory form, its much easier  . Might have to try testing all these similar methods side by side (if possible) for effectiveness at some point, but I guess its just what works best for you personally.

Hey Stookie!

I know exactly what you mean, and yeah its often difficult to describe. For me its often like your energies change and grow with the environment and you yourself change, become lighter, and more full of life, and more in the energy of the elements that surround you. Sorta !!
I have had some of the most amazing experiences of my life in places much like the one you describe . Top of hills/mountains, clear sky, nobody else around, and often a strong wind....great spots!

I cant comment too much on the practice but would add that if you have not read up on qabalah and the tree of life I would strongly recommend doing so. Dion Fortunes book "The Mystical Qabalah" is a very good place to start.

OK today I went on a 6 mile walk with my Dad, over some hills and to a cave then back again. The cave we went to, you go into it and find an underground river, which we walked up, and after a way (very dark, torches required   ) came to a sort of hollowed out room, very small and enclosed in itself, where you can just about stand on the rocks by this pool of water, right next to a big underground waterfall. And oooooh my!!!! The energy in that place was overwhelming!!! Roaring sound of water, very loud, light spray being blow with a constant breeze in my face, caused by the falling water, and such pure air!! So clean and fresh and wonderful. I just stared laughing and laughing, but could barely hear myself through the sound of falling water. Saw a flicker of light ahead at one point, I am sure there were a good number of elemental spirits in there, think I made contact with one. But it was just underbelieveable!! I mean I have been to some really high energy spots, in some amazing places all over the world, but nothing has ever come close to this little underground room in the yorkshire dales   (closest would have to be the top of hills in falkland islands). It was like a combination of the energies of earth, air and water, fantastic!! I would say the energy was light, clear blue, at least thats how it seemed (no, not seen, but how it felt!).

I am now seriously considering joining the local caving society, and strongly suggest all of you who like your high energy spots to do similar or hunt them out for yourself.

Wow......I am going to go back there soon and spend a few hours there, in the pitch black, laughing with joy and giving out blessings to the water   . And meditating. Cant wait!!!

Anyone else had similar experiences in places like this?

Rob <----totally blown away!!

EDIT: OK, well some people have had success with this some have only have not been so successful. I think it might work best for people like me who have grown used to not facing problems in life head on, but instead try to ignore or run from them.....I still need more testers though!!

Hi!!

I have been searching for years now for a technique which can be used to help clear up negative associated memories, and about a month ago I created one. Since then I have applied it, with good success, to a number of things which have been playing on my mind, causing mental anguish. I believe it can be used on anything which causes distress, and beyond.

Note for the lazy!!

Now, I know long posts can be a drag to read, and often if I see something too long I either skim it or will read it (yeah I am lazy!). So, if you just want to technique, go to the relevant section bit below.
And I would really appreciate some feedback!!


So first, a tiny bit of history, and a little discussion around the topic in general.

I used to be a very insecure individual - to be precise, extraordinarily and quite impressively insecure! Of course I still am, but less so, and paradoxically my insecurity has caused a large growth in personal strength leading to enormous security in who and what I am, even if my unconscious driven immediate personality continues to be ahh problematic. But one of my big issues was that, sometimes suddenly and for not consciously perceptible reason, sometimes following lines of association, a very painful memory would come to mind - often these were extremely embarrassing (always socially related) incidents, which would cause my entire mind and psyche to go into a sort of "lockdown" of overwhelmingly painful emotions and feelings, like a sort of implosion of the mind in which everything stops except a terrible feeling of "OMGF**KF**KF**KAAARRRGGGGaarrarg!!!". Nasty. Now, whenever this happens, I apply my technique, and it appears that this problem is getting less severe. It also appears that painful memories dont return, and if they do, they dont have anywhere near the same hold over me.
Put simply, the technique would appear to clear and cleanse associative type memories, and much more.

btw it is my opinion that this lockdown feeling is related to OCD type problems. I used to have what can only be described as a very mild non-debilitating OCD. And IMO this sort of thing can be related strongly to personality types. Each "type" has its own issues which are likely to come up, in other words. OCD issues are related, similar to the above, to the mind kinda "freezing" into a certain state, and having a lot of difficulty progressing beyond that state. Like, the obsessive hand washer, who is stuck in the "must wash hands must wash hands must wash hands" and cannot get beyond this, started by eg the negative implications of dirty hands holding the mind while they are being washed, but building up to be quite apart from that, since each time he washes and goes into "lockdown" his psyche, like a river that's been dammed, continues to add more and more of the same energy to the issue, and so this energy pool, associated with a certain action, becomes important in itself.



Why this works??


Now, its tempting for someone who is inexperienced in personal development to say something like "well, that's not such a bad memory, because blah blah blah nobody cares blah blah blah" which to be fair is what we all do. We try and think our way out of it, hoping that our trains of thought and logic  - which are often valid! - will help. Unfortunately, this doesn't help one bit, since it does not address the core of the problem - but precisely what this core problem is, I am still not 100%. For now, we will just say it is the emotional association to memories and thoughts. Its like, your mind has a giant filing cabinet, and the emotions associated with any issue is what defines how big a flag it has on it. Painful memories have huge red flags on them, and get noticed regularly. So, what we want to do is remove the bad flags, ie remove the associated emotions which seem to be (and quite possible, literally are) stuck to those memories, thus releasing the memories and not necessitating their regular recurrence into consciousness.

You will notice that I have been discussing all this with respect to painful memories, since this is the angle I am coming from, but it can also be applied to anything which is playing on your mind in a bad way, or even just general feelings of uneasiness.


Anyway, on to the technique!!!!!

Its mind boggling simple. My negative memories, I always used to shy from them, not want to face them head on, basically run away and refuse to look them in the eye. Which is precisely and quite exactly the wrong thing to do. The subconscious mind brings these things up because it wants you to focus on them. But how do you focus on them? Well, that's just it really. You take the memory, and what I do is actually feel like I am grabbing that memory and placing it directly in front of me. I also gather all the negative feeling associated with that memory (sometimes focusing primarily on the feeling, sometimes on the memory), and place them in front of me. This is kinda difficult to describe, for reasons I will come to, but it is literally like placing it all right in front of you. If you have difficulty with this, imagine a physical ball hanging there, coloured (literally) with emotions (don't think just DO!), and this ball contains all those nasty feelings, all the memories, everything from this event you wish to cleanse. Feel all this, tangibly there, right and really like it IS THERE!! And then, all you have to do, is stare at this thing, head on. Concentrate on it, concentrate on the memory and feelings, like you are staring them in the face. If necessary, if your mind tries to shy away, you might have to force yourself to stare at it, grit your teeth if you have to and Just Stare!
And. That. Is. It!!!
After a few seconds (up to 5 or 10, usually for me about 2 to 5 seconds), you should notice a tangible clearing sensation. You go from feeling bad, to feeling a euphoric rush and slight lightness - not an understatement! It might happen suddenly in an instant, it might be that it happens over the course of a second. It never takes that long though. Once you reach this feeling, you can relax and release the memory, and go on your merry way about whatever it is you were doing!

Extra notes:

- Sometimes, you will come to something that doesn't want to clear, or only clears incompletely. This is a sign that you have not gathered everything together that is necessary. In other words, there is still some core energy or perhaps memory that is not being brought into focus. When this happens, I extend my mind from the issue to try and find the other associations, its like moving forwards in mind space, and/or searching for the core of negative energy which has not been addressed. I am sorry this is so vague, but I have a lof of difficulty putting into words my own inner techniques. Try a sort of free form association, only instead of with thoughts do it with energies. So you start with a memory, which has associated energies - you clear this, but some energy/feeling remains (ie you do not feel completely clear of the issue). Focus on this feeling. What other feelings does this evoke? Take those energies/feelings, and then focus on them too. Separately, or with the other stuff, your choice. I think I tend to do separate.

- Something else to try if you get an incomplete clear, or just to add to the technique. While focusing attention on the issue, you can also shift focus of physical attention to a certain chakra, and connect that chakra to the issue. I am unsure if this can help because chakras spin with a certain energy, or because in my mind chakras are associated with certain ideas/ideals (love, joy, grounding) which the subconscious mind uses to apply to the idea, giving more things to resolve it with.

- I mentioned that you can grit your teeth when doing this, tense your mental and indeed physical muscles. I am slightly unsure, but think that preferably this should be avoided. To be honest it doesnt make too much difference, and indeed sometimes if I tense my attention to an issue for euphoria that comes after is greater (although perhaps just indicative of a more difficult issue), but it takes maybe a few seconds longer to get to, which would seem to imply its not the best way. IMO the best approach is more of a strong willed one, like your mind it made of unmoving but completely unstressed titanium, focused like a spread laser beam on the issue at hand.

- As I said, I focus here on memories and associations. However, anything can be focused on like this, even unresolved current issues, or immediate feelings. However, in the latter two cases, since they are still current there is still the possibility that they will continue recurring, because the mind is still funnelling negative worrisome energy to the issue. However, it does most definitely still help. The control you have over your mind after may determine how much more negative energy is attached to the issue.

- Where I am coming from with the "place this idea in front of you" is rather hard to explain. It is how I view and manipulate my own internal environment, and can only be expressed as a sort of mind space, which in part has coordinates but in part is in the realm of mind, which has no coordinates. But if you really want to know what I mean, first start watching your own mind very closely. Watch where new thoughts appear – they will be like little sparks in your head, and will probably originate from a certain region of your brain (whether this is physically true or a construction of mind space is, for our purposes, irrelevant). When they appear they don't have words attached to them – it is turned into words after to add solidity to the thought, to allow the conscious mind to "hold" them better. It is possible to have complete trains of thought without words (chances are you do it all the time but don't realise it), which happen very fast, but can end up going round in circles!! Another good thing to try is to observe the space inside your own head (again, mind space overlaid over the physical region inside your head), find out where the mental "knots" are, where the light areas are, etc. Personally I have a knot of tight energy in the middle back of my head, and the third eye type energies at the front (light! joy!). Continue down this road and you may discover some amazing, life changing things. Its just very hard to explain them to anyone and, often, not a good idea to try . Oh, and bearing all the above in mind, it is not always necessary to places the issue infront of you, although I do usually prefer it. But sometimes I will notice an energy core somewhere, in my mind space, or even located somewhere in my body, and I focus on it there. So yeah there are no rules really, make it up as you go along, best way!!!   :bouncy:


More theory on why this works

I am reading an awesome book at the moment (quite quite brilliant book I must say!) called "the adaptive unconscious" (by Timothy D. Wilson  <poke! poke!!> lol just noticed 20 pages of bibliography !!! fun    ) in which, at one point, he talks about the processing power of the adaptive unconscious mind compared to the conscious mind. Its a bit of an unfair comparison since they are such wildly different things, but useful to bear in mind. I cannot remember the exact numbers off the top of my head, but it was saying conscious mind processes 20 pieces of info per second max, whereas unconscious processes more like 20,000. Also, there is the old maxim of energy flows where attention goes. So, its like the job of the conscious mind is to direct the processing power of the unconscious. What I think happens here, is the unconscious mind flags something, passes it to the conscious mind which decides whether to approve further processing on that topic, or to ignore. If it approves, subconscious goes at it – crunch crunch, information is processed and arranged accordingly, energy is released from the issue, things are understood properly, and filed as they should be. If you ignore it, because it feels bad to think about it, then not only are you denying your mind the ability to process that thought/memory/issue properly, but you are also adding more negative energy to the issue, effectively increasing the size of the flag attached to it.
Alternatively, it could just be that the conscious minds focus provides a sort of energy pathway, which allows the energy connected to the issue to move on its way and dissipate, thus clearing the issue.
As for the euphoric feeling, that's either a natural feeling when energy is released from stagnant conditions, caused by letting go of these negative energies, or it is the unconscious minds way of patting you on the back, or said unconscious breathing a sigh of relief like "oooh thank self that's been sorted!" – or all the above.

Wow, this post is HUGE! I think I am gonna turn it into an article and put it on my mates site

I would love any comments on the above. And I would be ecstatic to get some feedback on the technique!! I think it has a lot to recommend it.


And if you got this far you deserve a big shiny medal

Hope you found it interesting....

Rob

There is a town in England called Crackpot, made the news a couple of weeks ago since those car road map navigation systems (eg tomtoms) were sending people to cliff edges who were not exactly asking for a seaside tour. So well named town then.

Nothing wrong with any of them, nicedreams! It shouldn't be a "better" or "worst" thing.

Quick note on these tests - the goal of the Jungian approach is to make yourself a balanced person, which means all the marks should ideally be close to the middle as possible. I had a lecturer who worked on herself and went from being introverted to balanced, and balanced one of the others too I think. So its very possible!   But it takes all types. Perfetion is an imperfect concept hehe

There is the argument that sending anything to europe to drill through the ice may be unwise as it could dirty those alien waters with earthling microbes.
So maybe its a good thing, for now. Same thing going on in aahh around the arctic I think, there is a big underwater lake which has not seen normal atmosphere for hundreds of thousands of years, and people are still scratching their heads as to how to get into it without taking modern organisms with them. Tricky problem.
Although I doubt very much that this was on Georgy-boys mind when he decided we need to get (back?) to the moon....he just wants another big thing to distract the american people to try and recover his disastrous image and poll ratings. Trying to show he has vision and intelligence <chuckle-chuckle..>

I have seen some strange town names - Pratts Bottom stands out quite vividly in my memory  

Wow, cool.
I am curious, how do these visions differ from normal mental imagery? Is it their clarity, or do they also have a different "feel" to them?

Rob

Quickly

This in no way means it was seeded by intelligent life. And it no way explains how such intelligent life was first created. Was their planet seeded too? And the aliens which seeded their planet had their planet seeded who had their planet seeded etc? This simply moves the creation of life to another location with and throws no life on the creation process what so ever. Pye seems to argue because he thinks early earth was a pretty inhospitable place, he finds it hard to believe anything could develop there. Then he questions why the things which were the precursors of life were so tough (because they evolved in an extremely hostile environment perhaps?)

I agree with all this completely. However, it is still useful to consider these things, since the question of how life started on earth may be different to the question of how life started in the universe as a whole - they dont have to have the same answer. And for now, the only one we have any hope at all of addressing is the former - how here?
And yes, of course the first life on earth will have been tough, but thats no reason to think it could and indeed should not have evolved by now. But yeah, it being tough is no reason to promote ID.
Honestly, I dont put any more credit in ID theory than others. Pyes article was simply useful to me as it provided an alternative viewpoint, and some good attacks on evolutionary theory.

Will read your articles when I too have more time.

Rob