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quote:Originally posted by Kazbadan
So, we basic law is this: the people that says that something is true (obes in this case) are the ones that must to proof it; not the opposite.

What a good occasion to plug my topic again ! [] Over there, a excellent description of sciences.  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12265

-Weeta

[THE BASES OF KNOWLEDGE AND OF LOGIC]

For those who don't like to follow links... Here some basic idea (introduction) on what Hyperscience is.


"THE BASES OF KNOWLEDGE AND OF LOGIC
Metaphysics is the science of causes. Not the science of effects like Physics. Its epistemology cannot be based upon experiments. It can only be based upon the absence of any hypothesis. Hypotheses are admissible in Physics, since you can verify, but not in the Metaphysical field. Our science refuses any hypothesis and demonstrates that this is the only way to understand the universe, mind, matter and life."


"What HYPERSCIENCE means

Today, most of Science's major problems go beyond the inherent limitations of Science's framework. These problems stem from the obviousness that observation contains the observed object.

Hence, no experiment can be verified. In fact, both the hypothesis and the verification are inside mind. Although they fear this, physicists are bound to admit that idealism is the only consistent way to approach Reality.

For a long time, they have renounced explaining the universe. Physics is only utilitarian.
However, the need to understand is not dead. This is why it was necessary to extend science to observation itself, to mind. But still remaining scientific.

If fact, idealism is today more scientific than physicalism. Since the beginning of this century, the Fathers of Quantum Physics knew that. Popper's epistemology is no longer scientific, since it has been proved that the reality of things, although true, cannot be falsified, and so is beyond the field of Physics... although Physics is confronted with this reality when seeking the inner components of particles.

Physics needs help. Help from beyond Physics. This help is available. Because those who do science without having recourse to physical hypotheses have been working for half a century, and have obtained interesting results.

In fact, it is now certain that the universe can be scientifically explained from ABSOLUTE NOTHINGNESS, and that the origin of energy is no longer a mystery. The other answers follow : the constitution of atoms explained with one sole energy, together with the origin of the universe with the same energy, i. e., THE INTEGRAL UNITARY THEORY that physicists are searching for, is well known by many researchers. But up till now, there is no dialogue between physicists and meta-physicists, and no publication to allow them to meet."

-Weeta

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I fear my post will not be helpful.  But I feel it necessary to share a part of me...  

Before, can I make jokes on your first post (it's irresistible) ?  A funny observation... Your question was like an "how-to" reach detachment, which you define as not thinking about the "how-to"...  You also ask how to resist attachment.  Two word with the same meaning making opposition.  To resist isn't being attached !?

quote:Originally posted by Nagual

Personaly, I am quite "shy"/passive/quiet; I don't act much, but observe a lot.  I have quite a few (sadly too many) nasty/greedy thoughts going through my mind.  The thing is that, as I am passive, nothing happens most of the time.

I very know what you meant.  And the "how-to" become more important because we want to free us of our passivity.  

According to where I'm right now (I mean, in my personal development)  I must balance my day-to-day life.  This is where I should put "control" [hopping it'll not be a too long process...[xx(]]  I don't know how to tell, but what if my acts aren't the reflect of what I believe ?  

Also, this "be centered" concept seem very important.  It's a big one in Aikido which I've started training.  It's like putting all your energie, all your concentration into the very now (the present moment).  Like the warrior on the battle field... Distraction is his death.  Do there is something more important ?  Past is done and future merge to attachment (I mean, trying to control it).  [I couldn't say more than Fallnangel on that "Power of now"...[]]

I'll continue with what M. Frank Hatem would say (lol, I really try to plug it ! []).  

[warning : this is not a real quotation... interpretation & traduction]
"Life is the creation of my past though which made all what I need to reach my unconscious goal.  How could I cry or doesn't love this creation ?  Problems occur because we need it.  So, the solution is ACCEPTATION."  => it's almost the same thing of detachment except that acceptation mean to thank.  His advise is to THANK before pray, 'cause if you do not accept your past (and present) you'll recreate it again (and again..)


And a last one for entertainment ! [)]
"Morpheus: I stand here before you now, truthfully unafraid. Why? Because I believe something you do not? No! I stand here without fear because I remember. I remember that I am here not because of the path that lies before me, but because of the path that lies behind me! I remember that for 100 years we have fought these machines. I remember that for 100 years they have sent their armies to destroy us. And after a century of war, I remember that which matters most. We are still here!" -MatrixReloaded => Hope you guys like these quotations !

-Weeta

quote:Originally posted by Sctt859

To jilola, all a oobe is and all the others you said are just advance ways to get rest and sleep.

Interesting... Do you believe you're awake !?  What make you sure you're not sleeping right now ?  Maybe just a brain in a vat !  Does physical world is less an illusion than a dream ?  What is Truth !?  Could it be objective ?

I'm not sure of your honesty.. Are you just making noise !?

Anyway..  Thanks (sincerely) for the waste of time !

-Weeta

quote:Originally posted by T.L.
[...]the catch is we wont know who we really are till we are die again physically.

Automatically assuming things is a mistake as we wont know till we die, so I too could be wrong but I think I have part if not half right. Know one is a hundred percent correct just because of the complexities along would be too much for one human mind to comprehend.

I think it's a mistake to think that we can't know who we are (until we die).  Moreover, do we really know more when we are died ? (How could we verify anyway...)

Here, I'll try again to plug my topic [] (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12265) There's a lot to learn about physic, dream, astral and others "phenomena".  But it should lead us to a more accurate comprehension of ourself.  That's my point ("Councillor Hamann: No, no point. Old men like me don't bother with making points. There's no point." -MatrixReloaded) []

-Weeta

[But it's not the only one...]

LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sory for all of you guys, but I really make fun of you !  It's always interesting to see people's misunderstood.  But I hate when it goes too far... I should have read this topic before, anyway... I'm here !

First, I would say to the author of this topic (Sctt859) that I agree with him...    But you should have explained a little more.  

Here what I've understood.  Obe has the same aspect of a dream with the difference that you have control of it.  Alright !  I couldn't say better.  Why does people seem to disagree !?  Oh dammit !  That's it, Nobody know what is a DREAM... Please Sctt859, Take care of how you say things.[V]  

The first argument to discredit an Obe is to compare it to a dream... And it's why we got all that "bleep" into this topic.  (Some points was interesting, but most was out of the track [])

When we think about dream, we immediately reffer to a product of our brain, a pure immagination.  It's a cute materialistic way to see it !  But it's not the only one...

I don't know why, but I'm absolutely sure it wasn't what Sctt859 would say.  Would you !?  

So now, I can argue with you... []
I believe that our physical world, dream world and Astral world as your "realm" world (I put it into quotation mark 'cause I've never use it...) are all as much real as a blink.  It doesn't mean anything, I know. [] It's just to put them in the same line of equality.  

Your point is that spirits can't really go out (up to the realms) until we die.  Hope you'll not try to kill yourself to verify it. [:O] The problem is that I believe in Reincarnation... so, in my opinion, we not actualy go "there" just by dying.  It's not so simple... Go through these realities is (still in my opinion) a matter of conscience level.  

Enough said ! [8] There's no offence, there's only apologize !


PS to T.L. (a friendly piece of advice): do you never breath !?  I mean, won't you put some blank in your post, cause it's hard to read.  Thanks !

According to my no-experience... I would say that Buddhism Enlightment is about causality and Kundalini Enlightment about spirituality.  Does it mean anything for someone ?  I explain.  Causality is how you undertand "universe".  When you reach buddhism enlightment, it's because you have no longer "good & bad" misundertood.  Spirituality is more related to emotion and energie.  You may not had understood the "cause of universe" but you can deal with in a better way (I lack of good words here...[xx(])

Whatever... both are very close each others

**I now realize it's like Moonburn33 has wrote during I was writing my own speech...[8D]

quote:Originally posted by Mystic Cloud
Well we have the power to change the world but we must begin by changing ourselves [|)]

yaya !  It's exactly the same when you believe (like I do) that the world is a projection (or perception) of your mind state.  By changing yourself, you actualy change the world...[^]

2 url overthere :
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12265

quote:Originally posted by tombodenmann

Thanks for the inputs. Has anybody a concept about what we (body,mind,soul, god, universe..) are that would explain Life, Obe's Kundalini and Enlightment altogether?[][?]

I've never understood why poeple can't agree all together...  Take all theories, cut some contradictions and you'll find the truth ![]  I mean, my conception of life didn't excludes any "phenomena".  It just change a little when I become aware of something new.  If you really want to know what we believe (Mine, in the event) I would tell you about Frank Hatem Hyperscience.  It's metaphysics. (Does somebody notice that I'm trying to plug it [] I hope somebody'll reply into my topic...[:I])  

But I think you're not really seeking the meaning of life, but most seeking about the meaning of YOUR life.. Don't you !?  [Maybe not... I make projection of what I've realyzed lately] It would be wize ! 'Cause we don't actualy have the power to change the world, but definitely have the power to change our-self.

-Weeta

[Any infinite number / any finite number = a fraction so small, rounding must go straight to ZERO. The average population of the universe is thusly zero.Therefore, nobody exists.]

quote:Originally posted by Squeek



Any infinite number / any finite number = a fraction so small, rounding must go straight to ZERO.  The average population of the universe is thusly zero.

Therefore, nobody exists.

A little distorsion into this topic...

In a metaphysic perspective (ref. : Frank Hatem), we can obtain this equation :

1 = infinity = zero

Indeed, 1 mean the whole... it contains all 'cause there is nothing else... there is only 1. (1 is also the phylosophic "I am")  We can add that 1 is infinite because if not, it doesn't contains all.  Moreover, the infinity of the whole suppose that it is not something, that it's nothing...  (Being something suppose something else, but a multitude of 1 is opposed to the concept of the whole) So the infinity is null.  It's what we call nothingness.

But why nothingness has the apparence of being ?

Think about it !

-Weeta

quote:Originally posted by beavis

Depends what you mean by universe. 1000 years ago, each continent was thought to be a universe.

According to this line of idea, I think there is only one universe.. splited into an infinity of "space time" (like astral is). But it doesn't answer Leon's question... So because I've never projected yet, I would say that human can experiment differents "space time". (If and only if I don't believe a Fake..[])

I lot of people would say too : All is possible !

In short, my answer is YES !

-Weeta

[a = b...Which can be written...2(a2 - a * b) = 1(a2 - a * b)]

This one is pretty much easy...

quote:Originally posted by Squeek

a  =  b

...

Which can be written...
2(a² - a * b) = 1(a² - a * b)

(a² - a * b) = 0   ,because a=b

so..

2(0) = 1(0)  or just 0 = 0

Thanks for the challenge !
I'm still trying to solve the first one.. Are you sure there is a trick !? [xx(]

Confusing !

Yes it is exactly what Elizabeth Clare Prophet has wrote.  (It's the first time I hear about her) It's not realy a visualisation exercice but more like energie from Ascended Masters ().  

But now, what I've just learned about her makes me doubt.  

Does theirs ascended masters are true or not ?  Somebody told that she is a guru and that the "Church Universal and Triumphant" is a secte.  (http://www.planeteria.net/home/hennie/lambs/) But the first time I've heard about the Violet Flamme wasn't from her and this Church...  Now, I just don't know what is the real source of the Violet Flamme and realy don't want to be associated with that kind of person (if it's true...)

So, if somebody has more information for me...

Thank you !

-Weeta