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Laughing . . . oh yeah . . . we took it WAY too serious!

Sometime around 1991 - 1993 I inadvertently got involved in exploring fictional worlds.

My partners in this were people with a high level of reliability -- among the ten or so of us, I was one of the least reliable -- one of the two loose cannons.  

We didn't stumble into it with the intention of exploring fictional worlds.  I was trying to make a career change into fiction writing while I was involved with a group of natural psychics, a percentage of whom were highly skilled witches out of differing traditons.  All the individuals involved were actively engaged in astral travel -- except me.    

I was astonished -- and a little bit creeped out -- to hear "my" undisclosed novel characters and environment described in out of body experiences by other people.  I was not at that time talking about my writing.

When I finally spoke up and opened it up to discussion, I concluded that my "fiction" was a personal translation of something going on astrally.  At the time I was deeply engaged in personal issues of truthfulness, so I set aside my novel to explore astral travel with the rest of the group and engaged in overlapping "fictional worlds" -- my idea being that each of us was simply translating a shared experience in different ways.

The whole experience totally creeped me out.  The more intentional the experience, and the greater the effort for "truth" the more distortion I saw.  It was almost as if the more focus we all gave it, the more our unexpressed unconscious expectations/needs/desires structured the mutal parameters.  The more the "group" came into agreement about what was real, the farther I felt we all were from the true experience.

Did I mention that I was a loose cannon?

I found (as the only "experienced" novelist) that if I focused I could "bend" the group experience so that it was closer to my reality set.  It wasn't that my reality was any more valid -- it was just better organized because of my sense of poetic license and plot.  With that more solid organization, the whole group could retain more details -- but it always seemed to be tainted by the hidden preconceptions.

I HATED the experience and when I realized that I didn't have the capacity to attain mastery and achieve a higher level of truth, I bailed out on the whole thing.

As far as "lies" -- what I saw was a lack of capacity to deal with constantly manupulating the communication stream -- it was nearly impossible for us to find any reliable baseline.  I think the problem was geometrically accumulating mistranslations that got completely out of hand.

As long as it's viewed as "fiction" the unconscious mind can extract what's relevant.  There's something that happened when we intentionally moved into the "real" category that bent everything completly out of proportion.

I THINK someone with a strong Jungian background could explain this as simple and natural.  

Not me.

I'm impressed with Spectral Dragon's capacity to just hang in here against all odds and just "say what he sees"

Regards to all,

Christina

I'm looking for a quote -- the exact wording of The Oath of Shamballah for someone who needs it to get themselves on track.  A Google search turns up lots of references, but no quote.  

You don't happen to have that, do you?

Now, in this world of growing darkness and uncertaintly, I vow by whatever means available . . .

Welcome back for as long as you're here!!!

It's a little off subject, but there's a powerful fiction book by Megan Lindholm called Wizard of the Pigeons that might be timely.  It's hard to find, so the universe will have to smile on you to put it to hand.

From a review:  

Wizard Of The Pigeons    
by Megan Lindholm  ?  Copyright 1986
Review by D. D. Shade   ?   July 22, 1998


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Megan Lindholm's book, Wizard of the Pigeons, is also a book of wisdom. Here are some examples:

Children are people whom you will one day have to face. Therefore they should be treated with respect.

When you are mugged, it's not your money or your life that is taken; it's your freedom. The freedom to take a long walk in the evening on streets that should be yours.

There is only one rule about violence. Do whatever you must do to make it go away.

Giving involves taking. You cannot give of yourself until you allow others to give to you.

You cannot become a Wizard until you've given away, lost, or are willing to lose all that you have.

I have animal aspects -- and I talk to animals.

I'm worthless working cattle with the cowboys -- I just get into the way -- but I can "talk" a randy bull out of a herd of heifers or move a wild steer across a pasture and into a corral.  I'm consistent enough that the local cowboys know about it and I sometimes get hired by ranchers -- it takes me all day, but the stock in question is in a better mood than if the cowboys rope 'em and drag 'em in.

Frequently I travel astrally in animal form.  If you want more details, PM me -- not really comfortable with putting this out on the forum.

If you a desire for this, it's probably already a part of your package and you just need to get it up to your linear consciousness.  Ted Andrews Animal-Speak has exercises some people really like.  I find his animal totem info more helpful.

Mostly, though, if you just "put it out on the ether" as a request, somebody will show up in dreams and help you through it until you can do it consciously.  Almost always the block is that people have (human) expectations about what it's like to be an animal, and can't take in their own animal experience -- far more kinesthetic, olfactory, and totally in the moment.  How do you translate an "in the moment" consciousness so that you can remember it in your human mind?  That takes some practice.  Like riding a bike.

I'm delighted with idea of passing the torch to the "Harry Potter" generation.

Barbie and Ken informed the identity of a generation with Monopoly helping the slide right along.  Before that, Louisa May Alcott, Beatrice Potter, Kipling  . . .

I'm glad to see Harry and his pals as the architypes for this next generation, altho I'm scrathing my head over the effect of Lemony Snicket

Well Chimerea, I suppose for the same reason you felt necessary to post what you just posted..  

You could have done exactly what you are asking me to do, don't read or post anything..  what made YOU do it?  I'm pretty sure you'll have the answer you seek when you ponder on it awhile.

Nay,

I'm sure you're right -- I just can't GET it.


This is an issue that I have been circling for months now -- and not just on Astral Pulse.  It keeps popping up in different aspects of my life.

It's my nature to be quiet.  It's not part of my makeup to usually need to speak things out to learn them.  I HAVE been pondering this -- actually, here in Cow Country we call it "ruminating" -- but I'm chasing my tail.

There are issues that block my growth that I can't work out by myself.  Usually -- like this one -- I get most totally blocked when I recognize all kinds of acceptable "answers" that cover most instances, but miss something key.

With those, I find I have to "put the ball in play" and get the idea knocked around a bit.  I usually select people I feel are teachers or experts in the area I'm trying to explore -- people where the many answers just don't cover it.

I had hoped that the answer was going to be that as a moderator this was your job.  

My linear mind firmly believes that it's very simple -- groups have individuals who police ideas and punish those who are outside the sigma bands in order to protect group cohesion.

My non-linear mind thinks the linear part of me is a "poor baboo" that completely misses everything of importance.

I know this is a personal issue of mine that indicates a growth gateway.  It's nobody's problem but mine.  I have found a number of generous people out here on AP with the skill to work through the changes.

Safe journey and thanks,

[bores you]

I can understand what you're saying Euphoric.... I guess I should say this whole doom and gloom doesn't stir on thing in my heart, mind, body, or soul.....nothing.  

I can't even make myself think about it for long, it gets quite boring.  How about we all agree to just disagree, I'm totally up for that.

Nay

Nay,

I suspect this should be it's own thread, but I don't have a clue how to word it.

What I'm really looking for here in understanding about something that pushes my HUH? buttons so hard that my brain fries.  I think you and other moderators and experienced posters know the answer, or I'd just wander off and leave it alone.

I'm using this specific forum and your specific post, but I hit this alot.

If this bores you   why do you read the post?  If YOUR recommendation is to "agree to disagree" -- why are YOU debating?  Why post at all on an issue that you either consider to be of no value or one that simply doesn't resonate for you?

I can understand this with novices.  I understand this when people have issues and some post hits an emotional button they need to defend.  I can understand this with folks with dominance issues.  I can come up with half a dozen ways and a thousand scenarios that quiet my "Huh/WTF?" reaction, but those don't work here for me.

I can't understand this out of YOU and a number of other people.  

I am thinking, given my history and past performance, that this will have to do with a set of my own expectations that are just stupid.  It doesn't FEEL like that.  It feels like there's important information here that I personally am missing

If you can, please explain to me why on a forum with thousands of post on so many different issues, that's just one forum in nearly a universe of discussion sites on the internet, you personally would take the time to comment on something bores you.  Why even read it?

Or is this one of those basic things I've missed in my internet learning and development, and it's a moderators JOB -- that you have to read it all as part of your duties as a moderator, and hence your comments just come out of that.  

Damn.  Damn.  Damn.  I STILL can't find a way to say this so that my real question comes through and not chatter of criticism.  I really don't mean this as a critique, just painful level of bewilderment about a human dynamic.

Safe journey

It's my personal experience that . . . yes, there are "benevolent possessions"

AND teachers that I find incredibly reliable tell me that there is no such thing and that my perspective is just confused (which does indeed happen on occasion)

I do know (safety tip) that when "benevolent possession" as you called it has happened it's an indicationt that I need to get really busy dealing with some doorway I've somehow left hanging open.  Spirits don't bail me out of the same trouble much more than about twice.  

Are you familiar with the story of the King

I don't think people are stupid.  

I think "what you focus on determines what you miss" and our cultural world is so complex and intense that there is simply TOO MUCH INFORMATION of all kinds available.

As a byproduct of systems design, we respond naturally to mirroring -- it was part our earliest learning about how to learn.  

Groups protect themselves from cohesion destroying interpersonal chaos by silently agreeing what information will be acceptable and what will -- by mutual unconscious agreement -- be ignored and relegated to "false or trivial"  There's aggressive policing of those rules within any functioning group for the simple reason that addressing EVERY piece of info with equal regard creates a tower of babel effect.  

What happens over generations of time is that human intepersonal cues and standards actually become more important than tracking the Big Real -- and individuals who grow to majority in those cultures increasingly lack the very tools to even experience the Real.  (I'm talking very much about myself here.)

Individuals NOT in tune with the subtle unwritten rules find themselves unable to interact with the culture and the group and are marginalized to the point of not being heard.

I think (read those two words softly because this is an area where I am significantly uncertain instead of my usual level of basic bewilderment) Ahem.  I think there's something in much of this stuff that sounds like nonsense that speaks to the wise intuitive parts of all of us -- but is the right message in the right time and the right place for some people to come into a different and better level of balance between their human interpersonal cultural selves and the larger reality.

I think of them as contemporary mythology, struggling to translate something real and important but not quite being able to fit it into words.

Or, as Mel Brooks said in 2000 Year Old Man:  THERE'S SOMETHING BIGGER THAN PHIL!

This planet for thousand upon thousands of years has been having cataclismic activity.  The only reason why we've been noticing these things in the last oh.. lets say a hundred years (perhaps Joya can help out with that number, cause I never claimed to know it all) is because of the introduction of the mail delivery, telegraph, phone, then the computer.  

This planet is doing nothing more than it's been doing all along, we're just hearing about now everyday on the news.

Hey Nay,

I totally agree that earthquakes and other natural "disasters" have been going on for as long as there is time.  

Hell they're only "disasters" from a human point of view.  From a geologic point of view they're just part of the daily bump and grind -- the planet brushing it's teeth and going about it's geological day.

Where I find "wake up calls" useful -- independant of whether or not their "clock" is set accurately or the specific alarm is the right one -- is in the reminder of just how deeply imbedded I am in the mass hypnosis that is human culture.  

Natural "disasters" have greater effect right now from a human perspective because of the way we have populated and built up structures and moved from a distributed economics into specialization of skills and even regions.  That matters because the emotional and strategic thinking that comes along with the natural adjustments shift suddently -- and the various nearly instant communication techniques can sweep that emotional thinking around the world before the stabilization of time and perspective can do it's thing.  

That quick sweep can add to that the manufactured disasters we create and their consequences.  

I have a friend who likes to chuckle and remind me that there's an old Chinese curse that goes:  May you live in Interesting Times.

My personal goal is to grow to the point I can revel in Interesting Times without losing my sense of mundane and the personal.

Teomim,

I liked the "Subject" of your post: "Where will you be . . .?"

I don't know if we're going to have a poll shift.  I don't know if aliens are coming or an asteroid is going to hit the earth or if we as a species are just going to dumb ourselves into a hole we can't technology or spend our way out of.

Maybe nothing is coming, altho I think that's such a long shot as to be astronomically remote.

I'm not familiar with your Orion book but the thing I like about prophecy and the people who write about them, is that it's a tool to bring me up short and to check in with myself and the world and see if I'm living the life I need to live to get where I need to be.  

I like that prophesy and it's translators are little reminders that the humnan patterns to which I've become accustomed and that seem so solid are ephemeral viewed through a longer lens.  

By 2010 (well before 2012) I intend to be living in a community of people not bracketed by the status quo, people who view change -- even radical change to the point of death with a sense of curiousity and adventure.  I want a group of people who are honest about their needs and gifts plus aware of how those exist in balance with the needs and gifts of the world around them -- including but not limited to other people.  

In 2010 and 2012 I hope to be living generally where I am right now -- simply because this general areas FEEL like the right place for me to be -- but I'm not locked into that concept.  Life is full of ebb and flow and if I need to be physically elsewhere, I hope to be attentive enough to make that alteration with grace.
 
Why 2010?  Dunno.  I used to be focused on 2003 and it's too late for that now!  I suspect that part of it is that I would like to have my 2010 goal RIGHT NOW even though right now I'm probably not mature enough to fit into that kind of community.  2010 gives me room to work, living my life moment by moment and shaping myself and the world around me with that goal in mind.

A number of people in my current extended community are focused on books and writings like the Orion book you have read.  Personally, I think these are a tool for their unconscious mind to get their linear mind on board with the life changes their higher self wants them to make.  It give the linear mind something to think about and frees them up to change their lives in ways that would just seem CRAZY without a context.  But that's just the view from the "cheap seats"  since I'm just an observer.  

These distant prophecy writings just don't resonate for me.  That's okay, professional sports on tv don't resonate for me either and I KNOW they have a valuable context for lots of people.  

Prophecy and posts like your automatically send me off checking to see where I am in my approach to all this.

My life has been full of radical shifts and changes.  Without intuition, my intellect believe as it looks at the world radical changes are going to be the order of the day for my lifetime.

I want to be a healthy aspect of the choices that come today, and healthier still tomorrow.

Oh yeah and well before 2010,  and I WANT MY GOATS BACK.  That has nothing to do with prophecy, I just miss my herd of little weed eating geniuses.

Hi Dan,

Besides the Gnostics, there's a movement in contemporary christianity called "feminist theology"  I don't know it's roots, it may or may not have originated with the womens empowerment movement, but now seems to have a life of it's own.

Feminist theology doesn't necessarily speak of "God's wife" but does feel that humans have "edited" the full experience of God to repress the Divine Feminine.  

Sorry I don't know more, but I've picked it up from friends who are mainstream ministers in the Methodist, Presbyterian, and Episcopal churches.  It's a little tricky because if you talk to the WRONG Methodist, Presby . . . (I've not yet run into trouble with a Epicopalian, but haven't pushed my luck) they are either totally ignorant or freak out in denying the existance of the movement AND the Divine Feminine.  

Very often, but not always, people and groups interested in feminist theology are associated with an interest in ecological theology.  

Most, but not all Unity churches are good places to find people exploring the feminine aspect of God, but my personal experience at Unity is that there's a tendency to elevate the feminine to the detriment of the masculine.  Not everyone experiences that with Unity.  

And, finally, the real purpose of my post -- have you taken your question and this true desire of heart back to God?  

For some reason, "Shekinah" seems to be an aspect of the divine that has ascendancy right now.  

The many names of "God" are human tools.  Ages ago when a friend of mine was in a Dark Night of the Soul, her rabbi told her that "God doesn't move.  People move." And that's what we are divinely designed to do -- it's called growth.  He said that prayer is the process of turning ourselves back to God.  The many names of God are a human doorway to recognizing a different facet of divinity newly viewable after some growth and evolution.  It's amazing how much helpful information I get second hand like that.    

You can try this to see if it helps open the door to what you are seeking:  http://northernway.org/shekinah.html

(I'm babbling more than usual right here.  As I try to share a current experience that I don't understand but find others are also in the midst of, so here's asking for more than the usual level of indulgence for the wrong words.  The words just don't work.)

What SEEMS to be importantant at the moment is the experience of God as "the sufficiency of the breast the womb"   I don't pretend to understand that since, like all scorpios I am seriously into control and playing at being the master of  my destiny (and everyone else's given a chance) but at least right now, I am noticing that it's possible (once I exhaust myself) to relax into a state where once turmoil has cleaned away all the non essentials and I cry out with the true desire of my heart, it's answered completely -- an not one jot more.  "Not one jot more" frequently means I don't get understanding or explainations.  

I cried out a lot about lack of explaination and understanding (did I mention I have control issues?) and finally understood that those things are excess baggage at certain rapid stages of development.  That right now, it's not appropriate to slow my evolution down to the point I can understand it.  

Bawl and carry on as I may, it ain't gonna happen.

Shekinah is sufficient to deal with my infantile temper tantrums as well as my hungers and my need for real education.  

Anyway, that wasn't at all what I intended to share, but perhaps there's a flake or two in all that with use for you.  

Safe journey.

Humans are weird.

There's a sadly common pattern where individuals (and sometimes even groups) get their experience of genuine intimacy and energy exchange in violent or negative patterns.

This is really a trap of almost indescribable power because it chases away other healthy options and exhausts whatever resources the people involved might have used to explore elsewhere.

It's confusing to "helper types" -- why would someone STAY with that?  The answer is simple -- because it's WORKING.  Because, no matter how bad it is, they're both getting something out of it that's important to them.  

About the only thing you can do is refuse to participate.  Walk away, and love them anyway.  

If you change yourself, you change the patterns of everyone your own life touches.

Does anyone have any insight into why this seems so important?  Is it just me?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/12/08/lonely.whale.reut/

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- A lone whale, with a voice unlike any other, has been wandering the Pacific for the past 12 years, American marine biologists said Wednesday.

Using signals recorded by the U.S. Navy to track submarines, they traced the movement of whales in the Northern Pacific and found that a lone whale singing at a frequency of around 52 hertz has cruised the ocean since 1992.

Its calls, despite being clearly those of a baleen, do not match those of any known species of whale, which usually call at frequencies of between 15 and 20 hertz.

The mammal does not follow the migration patterns of any other species either, according to team leader Mary Anne Daher.

The calls of the whale, which roams the ocean every autumn and winter, have deepened slightly as a result of aging, but are still recognizable.

The study by scientists at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts, appears in the New Scientist magazine.

I share dreams with people telepathicly, but there's another thing that happens that feels very different.

I used to get pulled into other people's dreams when I was astral, until I learned what was happening.  I was part of a group of gifted people, and ALL of us were operating far beyond our capacities.

Different people in the group discovered that when they were stuck in their dreams they could pull me in and the dream (and the attendant problem) would come unstuck and resolve.  They started comparing notes without telling me and pretty soon I wasn't getting any rest at night, no matter how many hours I slept.

When we finally talked about it, we decided that it was a combination of four factors.  

1.  I had a strong and consistent icon identity within the group that really wasn't me, but was close enough to who I really am to form a "hook" into my energy signature -- similar but not the same as "the name is the thing"   That icon identity was shared by about 20 powerful people and was consistent through all of them.  

2.  Astral travel comes easier to me than staying in my body.  

3.  I had a committment to helping.  (That's gone now.)  

4.) The group and all the members had a lot of places where their emotional and intellectual needs were being met outside of their dreams.  Their unconscious minds just had the same leftover "need" that matched the icon identity the group assigned to me.  The consistency of the need and the icon across that many powerful people, locked it in even more tightly on my energy signature.  

I think this happens more often than people know to lots of different people.  I was just in an extreme circumstance at a time when I was surrounded by intelligent people who put the pieces together and then shared the info with me.

And now with you.  Ripples in a pond.

There's a third dream space where people who travel astrally sometimes meet in a place almost but not quite out of body and mix their dreams and the space they are in.  I have one friend who does that every time the etheric energy pattern kick up into high gear.  He instinctively wants to pull me in when he's there but (see above) I've learned to be a lot more resistant to that than I once was.
 
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Why not treat everyday as having special opportunities?

I don't know what your experience is, but mine is that the etheric has "weather patterns" -- things just happen differently at different times.

Getting notes like this at the right time helps just like knowing here in the county that the temperatures are likely to drop below zero -- or above 100 (farenheight) -- or that heavy rains make floods probable.  That sort of thing doesn't matter so much if you stay inside all day or work in an office, but can make a big difference if you're planting crops or calving or crossing low water bridges.  (Can you tell I live rural?)

Except, of course, in the etheric there's a whole bunch of the metaphorical metaphysical versions of . . . um, excuse me, what just happened and does anyone know why my hair is wet and I'm cold and shivering and starting to sneeze uncontrollably?  Or (alternatively). . . that went well.  Hmm.  I wonder why.

My first flash on seeing this post was rage and frustration.

I can't read it.  I'm about 6 weeks into a constant migrane and there's just too many words here.  

But I WANT to read it, 'cause I know it will have breakthrough doorways I need to get rid of the damned migrane and half a dozen other current intense annoyances.  Included among those annoyances . . . I have linear life things that need doing that I'm not getting done 'cause I'm out here.  (But that last bit is just immaturity on my part. . . the less I "try" the quicker I hit the marks that matter.  But that's just too much for my poor little ego to handle, so it goes through episodes of massive control dramas.
Poor little ego -- it tries so hard.

Still, I just couldn't resist.  There's now a little pools of people who won't come out here to Astral Pulse and read these themselves but who can't wait for the next email in the Rastus series.

That drove me on and I read just a little.  And felt stuck places open up and things relax.

What I will probably do is to print this out, and post it somewhere that I will glance at it obliquely several times a day.  I'll pick a spot that's a little  bit private, because my beloved cowboy would tease me unmercifully about my "light and love" connections.  That's not exactly "pearls before swine" but it's rather like wasting the good burgandy wine on the koolaide with everclear crowd.

I don't alway have to read these to benefit.  Just enough that I can feel the important stuff touch down inside me.

your waking consciousness slept
not you

For which I am TRULY grateful.  

I don't about anyone else, but my waking consciousness has one hell of a tough time in the "quantum soup" that the rest of me thinks is just perfect.

I was too busy helping clients who just "happened" to urgently need help right up to Sunday.  

One client who's never had a really "out there" experience had colors change on her and later became disoriented driving to the point that she had to park and have someone come get her.  This was late Saturday night.

I  pretty much just slept throught Sunday -- not a normal experience for me.  

Monday, Tuesday, Wed I've been helping people who didn't prepare put their lives back together.  Monday and Tuesday I heard a lot of complaints from people who are not normally sensitive about "waves of nausea" vison distortion and eye problems, excessive irritability and a near universal sense of abandonment with no understanding of why.

It's pretty obvious to me that something major happened, but I think I slept though the actual event.  For which I am grateful.

Dear Aryanknight666,

Normally I would have edited/deleted your post, but have chosen to leave it as it is!

Can I suggest as much as you may feel aggrieved that other users may be making digs at you or your opinion that you might consider that you are only enabling them to reflect back to you your own angst.


Stephen  

Stephen,

I find AK's posts generous, even if they are not necessarily benevolent.  He metaphorically tosses the cat in among the pigeons, but the crap he stirs up was already there.  

What I find interesting is that he's not just ignored as he would be if there wasn't a significant person behind the antics.  There's solid stuff there, and people respond.  Good things float to the surface almost in spite of the opening salvo.  

It's almost like there's a need for a Warrior Society, where everybody climbs into the arena and takes the gloves off to really bash heads, no holds barred.  Some people get at what's real and true that only that way because they get distracted by the chaff otherwise.  

I'm not saying that belongs on Astral Pulse, it's just that there's a need for it and it has a certain legitimacy as a tool of evolution.  

I studied with a Native American shaman who really needed that for himself.  His development was crippled until he found a circle of people where etherically bashing heads and slipping in stilettos was just friendly conversation.  

I don't even want to WATCH if AK ever finds a place like that, but there are a fair number of people I know who would transform if they had any venue like that.   And a referee to call Time Out periodically.

Know of anything of the sort?

MacArthur,

I owe you a serious apology.

It really was my intention to be helpful AND you are right on target that I have the exact same problem only much worse.  It's a flaw of mine and causes me (and obviously others) distress.

It's a sign that I'm out of balance and need to stop and get straight with myself.

You have WAY too much going on in deep levels for "feedback" like that to possibly be helpful.  Also, what I perceived could easily be just a matter of you in the midst of your work of the moment.

I screwed up.  

Christina

I experience an oppressive lecturing tone when you comment on someone else's post.  I do not experince that when you post something that's original to you and not in reaction to someone else.

Ouch. Oppressive? OK I'll have to work on that I guess. But, oppressive? Would you mind giving an example from this thread of what you mean?

p.s. Thanks for the lecture.

Example:  I experienced the oppressive, lecturing tone in this post that follows . . . even though you were specifically trying to do the opposite.
Well, I'm sorry you felt that I was lecturing you, I just comment on things that come to mind and certainly don't mean to come across as though I am telling you what you should or should not do. If you are upset about the way I post it's not because I am trying purposefully to do so.

Also, you might know they are lying, and I might know, but someone else reading might not. I was merely using it as an example to show how negs play their mind-games on people, as it was not clear in your post whether you believed what they were saying or not. The advice about not conversing with Tinnitus 'tones' wasn't especially just for you but for anyone reading, as Tinnitus is quite common and I wouldn't want someone to read it then go off trying to contact spirits through it and get into the same mess that I did. Although I suppose my post was, in part, a reply to you and not clear on whom I may have been addressing and why. Hopefully I've now cleared that up and we can concentrate on the topic rather than bickering.

Again, the reason I'm commenting is that this is a BIG communication problem of my own, and I know how difficult it can be to deal with -- especially if you're unaware of it.  Obviously, I have trouble even WITH awareness, but that's just grist for the mill.  I presume that Life will evenually wear off my sharp edges.

. . .would not be able to tell me any information about myself  . . .  I really don't see what use they are for. . . Anyone care to convince me otherwise?

Circular logic.

NO TELL: You don't hear.

Don't SEE:  You don't see.

Blinded and deaf coyly you offer to be convinced of sight and sound.



More importantly you ask the real question:  "ANYONE CARE . . .?"  

The real answer is a resounding YES.  Look at the responses you got.  
But you already knew that when you posted.
You just wanted a little stroking . . . to move the ball to the court of your advantage

I have noticed that you're quite good at creating thunder in the lightning of your passing.  Lots of stuff happens around you.  Wouldn't you like to REALLY get in the game?  

Here's a thought for your reflection:  
Open your eyes and take your fingers out of your ears.  
Come on in, the water's fine.

Back at you.

It's the thunder you create . . .