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Loved it! 
Another karma point for you, HOOOOOOO!. 

Thanks for sharing your experience. I really enjoyed reading about it. 

Hmm, lets see... Profit, or the opportunity to benefit humanity. Tough choice!

Seriously though, I don't think it has to be a either/or situation.

Of course, this is all assuming these tricks are not simply illusions. Which is a pretty big assumption.

Weather this stuff is real or not, I have no clue. I could only make an assumption.
But, one thing that strikes me. If these displays aren't simply illusions, why are the mechanics behind them never explained?
For instance, if these abilities are genuine, wouldn't that give this guy the opportunity to teach people about how to control and manipulate energy? I donno *shrugs*

Ap Friends,

Just thought about this and wanted to find out from the forum how OBE's have helped you? Did it help with religion, spirituality, validation of life after death, making more $$, cure a sickness?

Please share and elaborate!

Tvos

I don't think that it's so much that the out-of-body experience has helped me. What I do think is that learning to feel and move energy was a significant turning point in my life. Because that is when everything started becoming more real. My spiritual knowledge was no longer simply intellectual knowledge. I had gone from theory to practice. And because of this, life gets clearer and clearer all the time. The OBE has of course helped this process as well.

I was thinking about how becoming an expert in the astral would make death a less scary concept,

but then I wondered, what would happen if one was out of body and their physical body died? Would they be stranded?

Stranded? LOL, I think of being here on earth as being stranded.

It's probably because you become more self-conscious when you share with people. Your doubts start to creep in. Your mind says "can you really do it? Or are you just kidding yourself?"

Have to give you credit Nay. The lightbulb icon was a nice little added touch.  

Another one  

http://www.patmedia.net/marklevinson/cool/cool_illusion.html

You don't even need to look at the dot. It still works... or at least it did for me.

It wasn't until I was 24 that I had my first OBE. I have 0 "natural" talent. But I've made a lot of head-way in the past few years because I'm as stubborn as they come and I refuse to quit.  

"...no such thing as the real world,
Just a lie you've got to rise above"

[No Such Thing]

No Such Thing
John Mayer

"Welcome to the real world", she said to me
Condescendingly
Take a seat
Take your life
Plot it out in black and white
Well I never lived the dreams of the prom kings
And the drama queens
I'd like to think the best of me
Is still hiding
Up my sleeve


They love to tell you
Stay inside the lines
But something's better
On the other side


I wanna run through the halls of my high school
I wanna scream at the
Top of my lungs
I just found out there's no such thing as the real world
Just a lie you've got to rise above


So the good boys and girls take the so called right track
Faded white hats
Grabbing credits and
Maybe transfers
They read all the books but they can't find the answers
And all of our parents
They're getting older
I wonder if they've wished for anything better
While in their memories
Tiny tragedies

No longer need experience? Or no longer need experience at this level?

Is there ever a point where you stop doubting and accept something as real? At what point does that come?

When you can effect and/or observe the "real world" in a direct and highly predictable manner. Otherwise, I guess there will always be room for doubt. Further, without that, you still have to deal with your day-to-day life- your OBE experiences not having much more of an effect on your life than vivid dreams.
I guess, in the meantime you just have to believe in what is possible. When considering if something is possible or not, I'll often ask myself "well, why wouldn't it be possible?". And I can never come up with a good enough answer for that one. So I just keep moving forward.

We have a tendency to think that the scientific community operates with our best interest at heart. I don't necessarily believe this to be the case. That's not to say that good people aren't a part of that community, but I can't imagine that they have ultimate say as to what information is released to the public. So, you really can't assume anything. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn that many scientific discoveries have been made that we know nothing (or very little) about. There are many people in power who would like to keep the sheep just as they are- mindless and dependent.
There is no question in my mind that the OBE can be proven. It may be difficult I suppose, but certainly not impossible.

Listening to an interview with Jason Martell on Coast to Coast AM, he is saying that Sitchin says that the earliest we should expect to come into close contact with this 10th planet, Nibiru, would be 2085.
The interview can be found at http://xfacts.com/x.htm and Martell actually says it at about the 78 min mark.
At this point, I do believe that there is indeed a 10th planet somewhere out there. I'm just very unclear as to when it can be expected and what effects it will have on the earth.

Have you seen this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuJ_XRjDRQU

Wow...those poor monkeys.  

Why do we so often try to guilt people into not committing suicide? Do you really think that's the best way?

You know, no matter how bad things have been in your life, you have to remember, it's all in the past. You've made it through and you're still here. That's strength!

There is nothing worse than having no hope and never seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. But, you keep putting one foot in front of the other, moving, growing, learning, and that light WILL show-up. It must. It's very tempting to want to kill yourself when things have been bad for awhile, but who is to say that your problems will end with physical death? In the long run, things may end-up being more difficult. For instance, you wouldn't want to go through what you've already been through again, would you? What if that were to happen if you decided to cut your "earth lessons" short?

[Isn't that crazy!?]

From CRAZY by Seal


"In a sky full of people, only some want to fly,
Isn't that crazy?
In a world full of people, only some want to fly.
Isn't that crazy!?"

It says in the movie, you don't have to take action, just that you have to be in receiving mode and the universe will bring it to you.

Intent.
Staying in line with your goal.
Staying in receiving mode.

Did I miss something?

No way that'll work. Like others have suggested, the key is in taking action. The universe isn't going to give you s*** if you just try to stay in "receiving mode". But I guess you've figured that out by now. Want to know how to achieve something? It's simple really, although usually far from easy. Every opportunity that you get; every opportunity that you can think of, do something- take action towards achieving your goal, whatever your goal may be. Do not worry about how big that action is. Acknowledge and value every teeny-tiny baby step that you make. They add-up. But the key is to remain consistent- consistent and persistent.
I do think there is truth in the idea that we create our own reality, but not in the way that is so often propagated in "new-age" circles. The system that we are governed by requires action. Perhaps when you achieve Buddhahood you can instantly manifest whatever you want, but until then, you're stuck with the rules that we all have to live under.

keep trudging away buddy. Keep trudging away. Almost no one is going to be good at projection after 2 months. What I'd suggest is just make practice a part of your daily routine, without trying to put too much emphasis on results- and yes, I realize that that's extremely difficult. But make practice a part of your day just like if you had a daily exercise routine. I don't want to discourage you, but it'll probably take years of practice to get good.

[Group OBE.]

- Besides reading the words, there are other types of methods which could also provide scientific proof, for instance, see Post #3, pag. 1 of this same thread: "2) Group OBE. Trying to communicate with another person who is also in the astral plane with you... and exchange different types of "verifiable information" between the two of you (Note: this "verifiable information" could be more flexible than just two plain words)."

Please, Nostic, do you think this last method (Group OBE) would be possible to do?

Thanks. qbeac.

Certainly it would be possible. I don't believe in impossible. But this kind of thing has been tried before here on these boards. And all I can say is that we've got a lot of work to do.  

[statistical significant differences]

Hi Nostic, you say:

"This makes verifying things in our physical world impossible (at least with 100% accuracy)."

Well, we are not looking nor we need 100% accuracy. On the contrary, a much lower accuracy would be more than enough to show there is indeed an anomaly which does not have an explanation according to current scientific knowledge, because we are going to compare the results of "the group of projectors" with the "control group"... that is, we are only looking for statistical significant differences between the two groups.

We have explained that with much more detail in this post:

- Post #8, pag. 8. Detailed explanation of the Agnostic Method in english:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=180207#180207

Hi qbeac

I can totally understand where you are coming from when you say this. But I have to say, for me personally, I would like 100% accuracy. Not necessarily to prove anything to the world. But so that I can say without question that I am absolutely clear in what I'm seeing and what I'm experiencing. Am I seeing the "real" physical world or not? That's not the important point really. What is important is weather or not I'm seeing the physical world when I believe that I am. For me it's about clarity.

Now, people can make many claims as to what they can do. And, their abilities may in fact be 100% real. That is entirely possible. But what I want is a record; a public record. I admire those who have tried experiments on these boards. But so far, it's clear that no one has stepped up to the plate and showed us clearly and unquestionably that they have the ability to remotely observe or manipulate specific targets in our physical reality.

And again, it's not particularly important to me to prove anything to the world. I'd just like to... make things a bit more real. Not only for myself, but also for everyone else who has an interest in these kinds of subjects.

[Experimental Setting]

Hello everybody

Once again i did a verification experiment. I will just describe what happened and then we can discuss it.

Ok

Experimental Setting

My girlfriend placed a object on top of the wardrobe. This can be anything, but it should be fairly small, 3-dimensional and unique. She used things like a needle, hair clip, or a ball of wool in the past.

Why this setting?

I use this setting because  to me it seems very difficult to guess the object since it can virtually be anything. At least the chance to guess is way smaller then, for example guessing a playing card.
I also figured, it may be easier to perceive a real object compared to a abstract number for example. Also the goal of this experiments is not to proof anything but to explore the possibility of proof.

Outcome
I already did this experiment a couple of times in the past. Did it again twice this morning and the outcome is comparable each time.

Ok so here we go:

1. attempt

I awoke in the morning and still felt the sleep paralysis, so I figured this may be a good opportunity to project. I managed to "crawl" away from me body and moved to the living room (where the wardrobe is at) after about 30 sec my sight became brighter and I saw the wardrobe in front of me (the projection was weak, I almost lost focus a couple of times). I picked the bowl where the object was placed in and looked at it. To my surprise a Butterfly fluttered inside the bowl. I was aware of the fact, that it is highly unlikely that my girlfriend placed a butterfly inside the bowl, but I hoped that the real target may have a relation to a butterfly. That very moment I was pulled back to me body.

I did not move and managed to split from my body again

2. Attempt

I again moved to the wardrobe and this time remembered that Robert bruce once said, I should try to pull energy to the astral body trough breathing to enhance clarity. I did so and felt I vibrating sensation on my forehead (brow chakra)
I again looked inside the bowl and the my surprise saw a living bee that was humming there . I clearly say the yellow orange color of the bee with black sparkles.

What was the real target?

The real target was a tube of skin cream?! even with fantasy i can't find any match between a Butterfly a bee and skin cream :confused:

Questions

-Am I doing something wrong?
- what could I do to perceive the real object?
-what interpretations and conclusions can i draw from this experiments?
-any hints, ideas, suggestions, comments?

remark

After the second attempt a flow out of the window. There a saw a freeway right behind our house (in reality there is no freeway within 3 miles)
I found this perfectly normal. It didn't even cross my mind that there is no such freeway in reality. it actually felt very familiar! perfectly normal.

Was I not enough aware to do the experiments properly?

Best Regards Tom and sorry for the long post

There has always been a lot of talk in regards to objectively proving the validity of astral projection. And even those individuals with years of experience seem to be inept when it comes down to verifiable proof.

This is my theory: what I think is that if you have not established certain bio-electrical, physiological connections within your physical system (and in particular, your brain), establishing indisputable proof is pretty much impossible. Think about it. You want to verify things in the physical world, right? The physical brain is your anchor and connection to the physical world. When the typical person projects, their connection to the physical body is weak. This is evidenced by the fact that the physical body becomes unconscious when you are out. It has been said and experienced many times that when you're in the astral and you think of your body, you are instantly drawn back to it. So it's like an "either/or" scenario. Either you have body/physical-world consciousness, or you have out-of-body/alternate-reality consciousness.

I think what happens when we project is that we are entering alternate realities. This makes verifying things in our physical world impossible (at least with 100% accuracy). In order to verify things in our physical world, I believe that your link to this world, the body, must be conditioned in such a way as to establish certain physiological connections. So in a sense, rather than splintering away from the body, you are instead basically expanding your body.

The other day I had a brief experience of being able to feel things around me without using my normal sense of touch. That is very much what I'm talking about. If you can expand your body so that you can feel objects around you without using your physical body (with you and your physical body being 100% fully conscious and aware) that is what I'm getting at. And if you can feel, it's only natural that that would lead to actually being able to see (without using your physical eyes). But you need to establish a clear and direct connection with your physical brain in order to properly view all of these "outside" things. It takes so much work though, but I am pushing forward. I haven't posted anything here in a very long time, but I've never stopped in regards to my practice.