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My take is the spirit that resides inside of you is a peaceful, loving life force, which has to struggle with your human ego for dominance. The human side wants to satisfy those lusts of the flesh where the spirit side wants what's best for the human. As you know, they don't always see eye to eye.

What you need to do is allow the spirit to come to the forefront by meditation and prayer. By prayer I mean to be in communication with your spirit to find out what it wants, which is always in your best interest.

I would agree with the above as well.

It's really hard to say.  I've had both that have seemed close to each other.  However some of the astral projections have seemed a lot more real.  Meaning, I've projected and I pop right into my house and everything is more static.  Where as a lucid dream it generally seems to be in a whole other plane of existence.

Well that's kind of something only you can answer yourself.  Your assuming that there is a God based on the Christian view of things, I.E. He is a single entity.

All I can say is that I believe in "God" but not so much as an omnipotant being but as everything as a collective spirit.

And if there is a God as you describe I'm sure He'd be fine with Astral Projection considering he gave us the ability to do it and the fact that a lot of people do it without even realizing it.

I'd be wary of that.  They say it will give you instant abilities and what not.

If they were really helping you out they wouldn't be trying to make money off of it.  The whole thing looks like a scam.

I can understand where your coming from, TCL.  Projecting came relatively easy to me too and I'm kind of in the same boat you are in.  When I had my first OBE it opened up a whole new can of worms but it never really did anything else for me.  It just made me more confused so I forced myself to stop doing them.

Sure I'd talk to odd people/creatures but once the coolness factor of it wears off it seemed kind of pointless.

But you should probably listen to everyone else here.  I don't want to discourage you from doing this.

Yep...

I'm sure someone could make Kung Fu work.  I've tried it and yea it doesn't work for me either.  Usually I'll just run towards whatever it is or send light at it and it will either change to something positive or disappear.

I remember the first couple of times I left my body my hands were very ghostly looking.  Generally once I got out they would be somewhat normal again.

As far as fear it's just something you have to kind of fight.  I had a couple of ways to help me fight it.  First I would always pray before and after I exited my body.  And second before I went to sleep I'd protect my house by imagining light coming from God, entering my body, then spreading to my house and creating kind of a force field around it.  After a while I stopped doing that but it comforted me at first.

Another thing I did was I would try to tame my fear when I had lucid dreams.  I would summon my "fear" and try to work with it.  For instance once after I asked for my fear to show itself a German Shepard appeared but it was really pale.  So I started running around with it and telling it to get stronger and get courage and it started to go to it's normal color and oddly enough I had less fear after that.

I believe in Robert Bruce's book Astral Dynamics is where I learned how to do it.  That book was like my bible to OBE's.  He will tell you in there how to raise your energy levels.

Once you learn how to move energy through your body you will be able to tell if anything is really blocked.  Meditating a lot though can really help.

Try meditating and raising your energy levels in your chakras.  It would of never have been possible for me to have an OBE without doing that.  It's important not to have any blockages otherwise your etheric body won't be able to leave.

I stopped doing them(I just always seemed to get more confused practicing them) but when I did I could only stay out for about a minute at the most.

Now lucid dreams I could keep going for a long time.  Those were(are) easier for some reason.

And yeah I have a hard time believing that your in mortal danger.  I could be wrong I guess but no matter how many bad things I ran across nothing ever lead me to believe I could be harmed in any way as long as I conducted myself right and asked for protection each time I went out.

Does anyone else channel music either in the astral or in the early stages of OBE's?

I've heard a few tunes when I was having an OBE(however I've chosen to stop having them at the moment), but lately I've been hearing some songs when I feel vibrations and instead of leaving my body I just lay there block out anything visual and focus on my hearing and I've heard some amazing songs really vividly as if I have headphones on.

Maybe part of the reason is that I play guitar and I'm really into music.

For instance today I listened to about a minute(after that my cat woke me up) of a song by the late Stevie Ray Vaughan.  However it was never a song that he ever made.  I can remember the chord progression for the verse(although I can't remember the key) and the only lyrics I remember was the chorus(which I assume the song would be called) "Don't Mean Nothin'".  I wonder if he actually created that song and I somehow channeled it or I just kind of made it up and used his voice on it.  Any ideas?

Anybody else have anything similiar?

Yeah your probably right.  It's just that being in that state has never lingered that long before.  It lasted about 6 hours.

Also I always tend to emulate some traits of characters after a movie.  I don't know why I do it but I can't help it really.  One of the characters(the Silver Surfer) was kind of a stoic character.  So that probably helped being in that state.

lol.  Actually I liked it(and the first one too).  Yeah it was like a hypnosis-like trance though.  Like when I got home I was just staring at the trees in my yard for like 15 minutes straight.

It was Fantastic Four.  lol.  I don't see how the movie could have had anything to do with it really.  Nothing metaphysical about it.

Ok so I was watching a movie today and ever since I left the theatre my mind has been completely blank.  No thoughts no emotions or anything.  It's like I'm in a constant state of meditation.  I haven't tried fighting it I'm just kind of going with the flow.

But has this happened to anyone else?  It just feels weird.  It's like I have no attachments to anything and I don't react emotionally at all to anything and there are no thoughts running through my head.

I don't know I just feel helpless to stop it sometimes.  But I think I agree with what you said "You suffer to learn".  All of the things that have happened to me has made me a better person no doubt.  It's just frustrating when it seems like everyone is against you sometimes...

Well it's not that I exhaust myself helping people that will bring me down.  Here is an example of something that happened recently: I knew someone that would help me sell a car of mine.  He said if he got a large amount of money for it could he get a high percentage.  I said yes thinking he wouldn't be able to sell it for that.  Turns out he did.  Everyone at work said I needed to change the deal because I was getting screwed(it was just some old junker that was sitting in my yard that I inherited, so basically anything I got was profit).  I told them I gave him my word that I would do the deal.  They started saying "There isn't a written contract, he has no ethics, you should change the deal, etc."  I just said I didn't care what he or anyone else thought of me.  I gave my word and I will stick by that.  Besides it's just money.

So basically its when I HAVE to deal with someone who is morally unequipped(in one way or another) I will still try to deal with them with honor even though they might not give me a second thought.  Everyone else thinks I'm stupid for being that way, but they don't have to go home and look at me in the mirror every night.

I'm not sure what forum to post this on.  Anyway I wondered if anyone here has really had bad experiences in their life and whether or not they attribute them to karma from their past lives?  It seems I have horrible luck with just about everything.  People seem to rarely ever like me.  Not that anyone strongly dislikes me but it just seems no matter what I do sometimes people just are turned off by me.  I ask some people and they say it's just something about me.  I've had most of my friends and family turn on me(steal, lie or otherwise) so much that it just seems odd.  I realize I'm kind of unconventional in a lot of ways but that's just who I am.  I don't ever criticize people or say anything bad about them(especially when they aren't present).  I try to always help people and never think of myself as better than other people.  I value friendship above just about anything else yet people still dislike me or try to screw me over in some way.  It's just so much it seems like something is out to get me.  My only explination really is past karma.  Anyone else feel the same way about their life?

I try my best to do what is right so that my "karma" will even out.  And I'm not doing it to get credit for something, just because it's right.  That seems like another thing that makes people mad.  I will do what is right even to people that are my "enemies".  I don't think doing something bad to someone is okay just because they have bad intentions.  I can forgive people quite easily and will keep my word even if I'm dealing with someone who is "bad".  People think I'm an idiot but I think that you should stand by your values and morals even when your dealing with someone that isn't your buddy.  I think the way you treat strangers and your enemies is just as important as how you treat your friends.  Yet hardly anyone ever agrees with me.  They are just like "Screw them.  They are trying to screw you over so you screw them over first."  I don't know if I keep running into people like that to test me, because of karma, or what really.

Anyone else feel the same?

Yeah I agree with the above.  IMO(and Robert Bruce believes this too) it's a psychic ability.  Your soul doesn't leave your body.  Your not just lying there with an empty shell.  Things cannot just slip in and possess you anymore than they could when you are awake.  I have had OBE's where I could feel and hear from my physical body, but at the same time move around in the astral.  You are just projecting an image of yourself that has the same senses and thoughts as you.  It's just like your a computer and your astral image is just a cd(or some sort of media storage) that everything is copied onto.  If you lose a cd or someone breaks it nothing happens to your computer.

And I have seen and been around things that have tried to scare/attack me.  I have been "bitten" by things and when I wake up I am perfectly fine.

I suppose you could get hurt.  However I don't believe I can.

I'm pretty sure I have done it atleast 3 times.  I had a record of all my dreams and OBE's(like over a years worth!) but I lost it when my computer crashed.  Otherwise I would be able to say exactly how many.

I remember one time I was having a semi-lucid dream and I woke up.  Then I went immidiately back to sleep focusing on that same place I was at and it worked.  Only it was a couple years later at the same place.  I was with some people at this house.  And when I came back in my second dream they had moved!

It's weird.  Sometimes I can pop right back in at the same moment I left.  Other times its days, weeks, or years afterwards.

Yeah I would definately stop the drugs if I were you.  Your body might react bad to certain chemicals.

If that's not the case it could be a number of things.  You would want to get a blood sample to check for diabetes and anemia.  Worst case senario is that your heart isn't functioning properly.  Definately go see a doctor no matter what.

I get sort of like that if I don't eat 3 meals a day with snacks in between.  I have a really fast metabolism and my blood suger will drop.  I usually eat some fruit in between breakfast and lunch, then maybe some cheese or tuna in between lunch and dinner.  Otherwise if I am exerting energy and I don't eat I will pass out.

My answer is NO - it is the exact opposite. If I oversleep or take a nap, I increase my chances.

OBEs usually happen to me in the morning anyway (after a night of sleep), after sleep paralysis or not.

Agreed.

I said it's PROBABLY my subconcsious.  To be honest I don't know.  I am ignorant in many ways.  And in this subject I am extremely ignorant.  I have no one to talk to about this and I have never had any sort of teacher.  And I'm not really complaining I am stating a fact: I don't understand my guides.  Is it because I am inept?  I don't know.  Maybe it is.  In your post(maybe I am misunderstanding it) you seem kind of ticked off at me.  I don't even know you man.  I'm sorry if I offended you in anyway.  I am just trying to talk a little bit about a subject I want some insight on.

Leo are you talking directly to me?  Because first I never said that anything that happened wasn't relevant.  I just didn't understand it.  And second I never said these guides were stupid or "stupid figments of my subconscious mind".  It just confused the heck out of me.  Which is why I stopped in the first place.  I am not so arrogant to presume that anything I don't understand is stupid, so please don't assume that of me.  If you were just talking in general than I apologise.

So regarding the other posts...I assume you all still project then?  You still find it exciting?

I don't know I just didn't find it exciting anymore.  It's like no matter what I did I wouldn't last more than 20 seconds in RTZ and if anything did happen to me it wouldn't make sense.  I know it should seem like it should still be exciting but it's not for some reason.  Like it's too much work with too little progress.

Well I used to post semi-regularly, but just kind of drifted away.  I just wondered if anyone has experienced what I have, or maybe some suggestions if I should change anything, related to OBE's.

I learned to project pretty quick(within a month) through lucid dreaming.  I could make myself lucid dream every night so projecting out of them were pretty easy, I thought.  After about a year or 2 of projecting I looked back at my notes(I wrote down most of my experiences) and really came to the conclusion that astral projecting and being able to lucid dream just confused me more than when I never did them.

I was always trying to go different places.  Or trying to communicate with my guides or my higher self.  And trying to find answers about myself and the world I live in.  While I have met people/things in projection it really never seemed beneficial.  Half of the time it was something that tried to scare me(which after a point really didn't scare me in the least bit) or someone/something that just didn't make any sense to me(one time a little girl came down from a cloud and this music started playing.  I just kind of looked at her and said, "Umm what the heck?").

In lucid dreaming I managed to speak with some "guides"(probably just part of my subconcious though) and even then I really never learned anything really.  They never made any sense.

I even tried just projecting and just interacting and not really expecting anything.  And things weren't really any different.

So I just kind of stopped doing all of that.  I feel that I could switch it all back on within a week of meditation and just willing myself.  But I don't know, it just doesn't seem worth it.  Has anyone else felt this way?  Or a suggestion to change it if I decided to get back into it?  Thanks.