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Hi Chris, nice chat!

If you have someone particular in mind, then please don't say "all of you" and things like that.  It would really help discussion.

But please direct me to a post this angry that isn't about America or Bush. Can you? Can you show me a post in these forums that demonizes someone as badly as they do Bush

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Why do I have to do that?  I am demonizing some of Bush's decisions.  Why do I have to show you that I also demonize other people in order to make my perspective more valid?

I'm not saying we should talk about everything that has happened,

You had said that throughout your post.  It was the main point of your argument.

...we should BALANCE the demonizing of Bush with SOME other points of the world at large,

Those other points are for other topics.  This one is about Bush.  Why do I have to write about the atrocities done in Africa in order to validate what I am saying about particular Bush policy?  Respectfully, maybe your just being vague again.

You also say that some may have lost respect for me and my posts because of my personal attacks. Does that mean they will refuse to listen to me? Because I'm abrasive? Wouldn't that be denying themselves of potential information because "someone made me feel bad?"

Yes, yes, and yes.  My point exactly.

You and your thoughts are not my enemy. In fact, you have proven yourself, in this post and around the forums, to be an open-minded person who sees all sides of the issue. I applaud you, and I praise you.

Thank you.  Seriously, that was nice.  

Their actual close-mindedness, yes, is my enemy.

I am not here to mentor, but from my view, their close-mindedness is not the enemy, for we all are close-minded to an extent.  It is a tool we develope to prevent ourselves from becoming victims.  Some more so than others.  But this path is not about their close-mindedness.  All your enemies, if you have them, are within.

Which is it? It's both. Bush is a problem, and other world leaders are a problem. Focusing solely on one or the other is denying part of the story.

Agreed, however, in order to have a productive discussion, we cannot include ideas that are not relevant to the topic.  The topic is specific aspects of the Bush policy.  If you can point us to information concerning other world leaders that may shed light on our topic of conversation, please do so.  That's what this is all about!

started out an evangelical Christian.... or personal vendettas or anything else. Just what happened...

OK, so you have pushed your personal problems, whether overcome or not, onto us.  You took what you despised about yourself and put that weight on our shoulders and labeled us the same, then demanded we follow the same path you have taken in order for us to overcome our weaknesses.  Please don't assume that your problems are mine.  In fact, in light your new post, they are not in any way.  This sounds harsh, but I do not mean it disrespectfully in any way.  Your comments just don't have any relevance to my perspective and you tried to force it that way by trying to make me and others look ignorant and close-minded.

I agree with all you say concerning the media and their slant on things.  You are spot on.  It makes it difficult to believe anything you read or hear, and I think we can all agree to that.

I do not claim to know all that is.  My concern is environmental and the afffects our perspective of nature is having on our home.  For me, our raping of the natural world is a symptom of our troubled spirit/beliefs, whatever moves your soul.  It is bringing society to the edge of collapse.  I am not a doomsayer, like you, I am seeking the reality of the larger picture going on.  Its not about Africa, its not about Suddam and Bush, its not about the animals, its not about Scott Peterson.  It is about what is within.  I hope I am not misquoting Frank when I say "it is all within".  From the Christian perspective, Christ only fought the enemies within, and had only love and compassion for his enemies without, even upon his crucifiction.  We all know the Buddha's battle was within.  Even Hitler's battle was within.  The difference was, with Hitler, he projected his inner enemies onto the world and fought them there.

I appreciate your kind words.  Insults should not be meant for anyone.

I understand you much better now, thank you.

P.S.  22?  Yep, I am more grown up!  

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Wow.  I don't know what to say about this last post, but I'll try.

I appreciate and respect your thoughts and perspective on this thread, but to be honest, I don't really understand where you are coming from.

However, I will respectfully reply to your posting and point to some of the inconsistencies I see not only in your words, but also in the attitude from which these words have been written.  This is a forum in which people can exchange their viewpoints and in no way am I wanting to disrespect yours, so please don't take offense.  I only wish to give you a better understanding of where I'm coming from, and in turn, maybe find out a little but more about your perspective.  That being said....

In the interests of fairness, I would ask that you make the following threads in addition to this one:

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Your list is far from complete.   You were not really trying to include these links in "the interests of fairness", because that would be an impossible task, for you omitted millions upon millions of other topics.  The reason you put them in there to try and "prove" that your thoughts on this topic are more important than the other thoughts that have been posted, and this was your illustration.

It is really nauseating how you people gloss over such blatant disregard for human life like this. Millions murdered in Africa and East Asia, the Kurds being slaughtered by the hundred thousands in Iraq, and yet, the only person you decry on these forums (or any other one), is Bush, Bush, Bush.

This title of this topic is "Bush Sucks".  Once again, it would be an impossible task to list here all the atrocities committed by all the leaders around the world.  This topic is about sharing particular viewpoints we have concerning particular actions about the Bush Administration.  This topic at no point in no way is attempting to illustrate all the things wrong with this world!  It is beyond my understanding that someone could believe that was the goal of this topic, or that that is even possible.  Not to mention the personal attacks in the first line of that quote.  Out of respect of your viewpoint (something you don't have for ours) I will refrain from the obvious opportunities you have provided us.

Those of you who have immense personal problems and yet refuse to deal with any of them, instead equating Bush with Hitler and thinking, "Yeah, my life's a wreck... but at least I'm not BUSH! He hurts people just like me and that makes him the same as Hitler!"

Again, with the personal attacks.  You are slowly eroding the respect people who read this may have for you and your viewpoint.  And I briefly scanned over this topic and nowhere did I find someone saying "Yeah, my life's a wreck... but at least I'm not BUSH! He hurts people just like me and that makes him the same as Hitler!".  Also, nowhere did I see people say Bush is just like Hitler.  What was being pointed out is the eerily similar propaganda tactics that are being used.  It is naive to think that anybody can say that Bush is the same as Hitler.  And it is similarly naive to assume that someone is trying to say just that.  You only read what you wanted to from that post, again to try and validate your thoughts and the insecurities you may have about them.

A convenient scapegoat to blame for the world's problems, and your own.

From my perspective, the current administration is but only a part of the world's problems.  Not to say that some of the administration's policies aren't good.  But once again, this is not the place to list ALL these policies and critique every single one of them.  Depending on who you are and what you do and the perspective and knowledge you have about the world and the administration, the different policies you are going to focus on.  That specific policy/topic is outlined in the unitial posting.  As for my own problems, you haven't a clue.  With that comment you have lost all respect I may have concerning the thoughts you have about this topic.  Well, I guess I do respect it enough to comment on it, but not much more.

Those of you who spend so much time spewing venom at Democrats, Republicans, Evangelical Christians, Bush, Clinton, America, Canada, China, New Agers, Satanists or whatever group or country you've decided is your sole, mortal enemy.

Unfortunately, all of us have our enemies.  Your enemies just happen to be us and our thoughts.

Glossing over the world's atrocities and focusing on a convenient enemy (and who is most convenient as the leader of the strongest nation in the world) does nothing to raise awareness for the multitude of problems out there right now.

How can you sit there and say that bringing a topic of concern to a public forum for debate and discussion does nothing to raise awareness on world problems?  That is exactly what we are discussing!  Again, IT IS AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK TO BRING ALL THE WORLD'S ISSUES UNDER ONE TOPIC AND DISCUSS THEM!!!!!  If you believe I am wrong about this, start the thread!  Lets get it on!

All of you need to take a long hard look at what's really going on in the world, and at yourselves.

I have been doing that for quite some time now thank you.

Yes, Bush has acted terribly with many different things in our country and abroad. He's screwing social security, the environment is suffering, and he's nipping away at homosexual rights.

How can you agree with the topic of debate, yet spew venom at the people who are trying to discuss it?

But unless you can think to yourself what good traits Bush has,

done that...

or what good things he has done for the world (freeing Iraq from a brutal dictator who killed hundreds of thousands, despite why the war started, to name one),

that is a matter of perspective...please respectfully discuss our perspectives with us...

and unless you can wrap your mind around the numerous atrocities happening around the world,

an impossible task, but one I am currently attempting...

you will NEVER understand the whole story.

Again, for anyone, even the Bush Administration, an impossible task.

Bringing awareness to Bush's faults is a noble act. I applaud people for bringing them into the light, so I know what mistakes he is making and what to prepare for in the future.

Wait a minute...  

Glossing over the world's atrocities and focusing on a convenient enemy does nothing to raise awareness for the multitude of problems out there right now.

Which is it?

However, equating him with Hitler? Blaming him solely for problems in the world? Ignoring his good points, and blowing up and focusing on all his faults? Bringing no attention to other, more important, things going on in the world?

We've been over and over this point, and it seems to be the intent of your posting.  Once again IT IS AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK TO BRING ALL THE WORLD'S ISSUES UNDER ONE TOPIC AND DISCUSS THEM!!!!!  If you believe I am wrong about this, start the thread!

That's just pathetic.

Agreed.

As long as you continue to demonize Bush as your convenient enemy, you will always be running away from other problems, whether they be in the world at large or in yourselves.

  Please explain.  If you reply to this posting of mine at all, please explain this one.  Please, please, please.  You have a point in this quote to make and I don't get it.  Please explain.

And half the story is not sufficient to have a clear view of the world.

If it is possible to have a clear view on the whole story, someone must have already done it.  Please tell me who it is so I can get some more info on it.  I'm coming up a little short.

Grow up.

I am grown up.  I'm am quite sure that I am more grown up than you.

For many of you, it's because they reflect that which you are not: strong, active, affecting change. That is why you ignore murder in other countries; America is the strongest. And more power means more evil, right? If America kills tens of thousands as CASUALTIES OF WAR in Iraq, it's certainly much more evil than child soldiers and genocide, millions killed blatantly BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE in Africa. After all, when has Africa ever had the strongest army in the world?

Chris, when are you running for World Leader.  You have my vote.

P.S. If you doubt what I say, show me links to where you decry murder, rape and other crimes with the same veracity that you do Bush and America.

www.oneplanetonelife.com

P.S.  That is my site.  Please show me YOURS.

Respectfully,
Will

Huh? Please explain or give an example of the social norms...

We will never evolve if we don't want to.

No, but sometimes drastic change can be forced upon you.  And like every single event in your life, you can choose what you will do with it.

And what do you mean by

do any more child prodigies need to commit suicide?

Wow.  I never heard of that before.  It makes sense.  "Best able to adapt" could be taken both ways, meaning competition or cooperation couldn't it?

Thanks for the info Doug!  I'll have to look into that.  It would be very relevant to some of the environmental stuff I am working on.  Where can I get some of this info from?

Will

In one of my biology course we have seen that any species that grows exponentially will sharply go down drastically, I hope that it's not true.

This is a biological truth.  Here is an article I wrote for www.oneplanetonelife.com.  Forgive me, its kind of long....

"We are the result of 4 billion years of the evolutionary process.

The Evolution of Life is the result of the continuing cooperation of Earth systems. Any system that does not participate in the complement of the entire system will eventually fail, without exception.

This is death.

Death in the natural world is not defined as a result of competing species. Death is the necessary ingredient life needs to remain in harmony with the bigger process of life called Evolution. If a death is not in harmony with the bigger process of life, it is not necessary, and is therefore detrimental to this process called evolution.

Darwin got it wrong in one important aspect: Survival of the Fittest. We have used this phrase to justify our slaughtering of the natural world. It has become our battle cry against nature.

Nature is a network of complimentary systems. Any system that does not participate in the complement of another system will eventually fail. "Fittest" does not mean strongest, it means the part that fits best within the whole. The system does not get rid of another part that is benefiting the system. The system gets rid of the part that becomes detrimental to the system, and replaces it with a more beneficial part, one that "fits" better.

With this new definition of the natural cycle, this process of evolution, I can say that what we are doing is not part of this natural process.

Evolution did not cease at the creation of Homo sapiens. Evolution continued on to create the mind, what Ken Wilbur calls the intangible noosphere. Through the continuation of evolution, the mind has created language, created writing, created the sciences, religions and philosophies, created society, culture, and laws. It is unique in the natural world, and it is the sole property of Homo sapiens.

The mind is the natural by-product of the Evolution of Life. But it does not end here. Evolution is and always will be at work.

The conscious decisions we make today guide the future evolution of the mind and its compliment to the rest of the system.

Our destiny is to bridge this gap that has been created between humans and the natural world, between what is the noosphere and the biosphere. To become compliments to the system called life. To participate in the creative, evolutionary process that has been guiding life for 4 billion years."

but for everyone else this ignorance and apathy is becoming a real drag.

Amen.  The American system is moving further away from democracy with capitalism leading the charge.  And those of you who deny this concept are either ignorant of the subject or working as a "higher up" with a vested interest in a large corporation.

Capitalism has become a beast of its own, and the next revolution will be global one, the obscenely rich vs. the poor and their sympathizers, the polluters vs. the humanitarians and tree huggers.

This capitalistic machine will fail in its current state because it is based on a system that relies fundamentally on the consumption of natural resources.  The reason it will eventually fail is because we are quickly nearing the end of Earth's ability to provide these resources.

The big question isn't if the system fails, it is when, and how much damage will be done in terms of resource depletion, human suffering, and environmental collapse.  

America is turning its eye away from this looming problem, ignoring it for short term gain.  We are turning our back on the world in the name of forceful peacekeeping, in the name of a strong economy no matter the cost.

We will see more fundamental change in the next couple decades (if not sooner) than humanity has seen since civilization's inception.  This change will occur by voluntary choice or will be thrust upon us by the forces of nature.

"May you live in interesting times."

You may.

Some of us had to live with Clinton for 8 years, so you can certainly survive this.

Can't argue with you there!  

And what makes you think the democrats are any different? Just as many of them are multi-millionaires and take money from corporations.

There either...

My problem with Bush is his outright deceit.  The guy is such a liar and manipulator he makes Clinton look like a saint.  And what gets me is half of America plays right into his rhetoric.

By the way, for the record, I am a republican.  I don't agree alot with what the democrats represent, but having Bush around is making it oh so inviting to part ways.  He is doing evil things in order to "secure our economy & security".

And if someone wants to leave the country, he or she is certainly free to do so

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Its too cold in Canada anyways  

"They have money, power, everything but are still not happy."

When are we all going to realize that, despite popular belief, this isn't what makes you happy.

[He will go down in history as the president who isolated America from the rest of the world and put the fear of corporate democratic capitalism in the minds of the under-privileged everywhere.]

His head is so far up corporate america, I can smell the stink from here.

May 18, 2005 MSNBC "Eleven states sued the Bush administration Wednesday to block new rules allowing coal-burning utilities to trade rights to emit toxic mercury, adding to other lawsuits challenging the regulations."

He will go down in history as the president who isolated America from the rest of the world and put the fear of corporate democratic capitalism in the minds of the under-privileged everywhere.

To all you non-Americans out there, please know that Pres Bush does not represent the morals of a VERY LARGE portion of Americans.

Hi data.  The political crisis is only more immediate than the environmental crisis in that it is not dealing with the environmental crisis.

Unfortunately, we have had civil unrest since the dawn of civilization, and to assume that there will be a day when we are not likely to "suffer a world war, civil unrest/wars and peak energy conflicts" is having a little too much blind faith in divine intervention, in my opinion.

Global warming is a future environmental issue that needs to dealt with today.  However, there is another environmental issue that is actually occurring today that, if not dealt with, will promote these violent conflicts in struggling nations, and that is the rapid depletion of our living resources.

Water shortages, energy demands/shortages, pollution and health, pandemic disease, depletion of natural resources, over-population and famine, etc.  These are all issues with strong ties to an unhealthy, unmanaged environmental agenda.  These are problems that are beginning to spiral out of control, especially with the rapid developments taking place in China and Asia.  On a small scale, they are locally devastating.  But exponential population growth and over consumption is bringing the entire world to a point of crisis.

I respectfully disagree with your statement that the political crisis is the more immediate concern today.  There is nothing, nothing more pressing than the permanent damage we are doing to the world.  We are quickly snuffing out the broad diversity of life on this planet.

Radium, which book did you buy to get this information?

And how come the experienced projectors on this board fail to see this monumental change you speak about?  Their experience of the astral surely would have signs of this event you talk about.  I cannot recall even one of the many projectors (including the moderators of this board) foreseeing any of this.

P.S.  These questions are a friendly challenge of your viewpoint.  Please do not be offended for I have my own vision of future events.

The environmental crisis occuring now is an event that is so big it has the ability to change the way humanity looks at the natural world.  Does this mean that the end of the world is coming?  Of course not.  But it could mean the end of the way we percieve the world and our role in the stewardship of it.

Anybody who thinks that global warming and other environmental problems are "the latest fads" are unforturnately showing their lack of knowledge in the subject.

I'm simply reporting my findings in the most objective way I can

That's the beauty of your writing Frank.  We all tend to have our own biases and slant on things.  We..., well, I will speak for myself, I am grateful your writings are so objective.

Your strict objectiveness allows us who do have our own slant on things to be able to see it in our own way.

I had a dream once, it was about the realization of a god (or whatever you want to call it) awakening in the human race.  Scientists tended to see it as the discovery of the final theory.  Christians saw it as the Second Coming of Christ.  The Buddhas saw it as Enlightenment.  The Hippies saw it as the Final Peace.  Environmentalists saw it as the ultimate valuation of Life and Earth.  Everybody had their own slant on this thing, and everybody was right!

-Will

Frank's quote:

I just wanted to confirm, quite categorically, that there is no sense of self that is ever extinguished.

I would have to agree!  Enlightenment, it seems to me, would be the point in time in which an entity experiencing an individual existence (duality) finds itself to be one with creation (non-duality) and at the same time, a part of that creation (duality), therefore, not extinguishing itself but redefining itself as the whole and the part simultaneously!  

Something else about Frank's future scenario.  I have been having thoughts along the same lines as Franks, some type of "key" bin aural audio that causes anybody listening to experience some level of projection creating a mass movement into the experience of the "death" realms while still living.

However, the current method of projection calls for a very disciplined practice of mind control.  You plug any joe blow into a "projection machine" and it could have devastating effects on the psyche of the experiencer if he/she is not disciplined,  i.e. unwittingly creating their own hell due to harbored fears.  However, the unequivocal proof of life after death may potentially eliminate most if not all of these fears, including the knowledge that you create your own heaven or hell.  So, why create hell   when you can experience heaven   !  

About the "end of time"... History is mankind's race through time towards enlightenment as a species (knowingly or unknowingly).  The end of time that mystics talk about, I think, is the end of history, in other words, the enlightenment of mankind.  Our search is over, and the new direction for mankind would be one of assisting divine creation in the material realms from a vehicle that exists in the material realms.

The future scenario painted by Frank are the initial baby steps in bridging the divine "Will of God" with the will of man, a mixing of spiritual or astral dimensions with that of the physical dimensions, creating the opportunity for the above to come to fruition.

-Will

"You never truly feel the wind until you are running from it for your life."

Frank, do you live in Florida?  He, he  

Hey French, your post was just fine.  I'm am going to tell you what everybody else here is going to tell you... Practice, practice, practice.  I believe some of the posts you are reading on this site concerning people able to project with such frequency are people who have been doing this for a VERY long time.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I read a post by Frank that said he has been at this for over 20 years!


My bit of advise to keep you going... don't be so worried about the end goal of projection without struggle.  Every step along the way is an adventure.

And the four things you mentioned at the end of your post are all typical of early projection work.  Search the forums for these topics, but they happen to everyone, so your on the right track!

Good luck!
Will

no_leaf,

Coral is suffering badly.  Latest predictions is that the entrire Great Barrier Reef off Australia will be bleached and dead withing 45 years.  Belize's barrier reef, 2nd largest barrier reef in the world (2nd to Australia's) has already lost almost 50% of its coral to bleaching blamed on global warming and recent hurricanes.  Bad stuff indeed.

Alright guys (and girls) before we end this topic, my turn...

About all the natural disasters.  Some are man-made in a sense.  Mudslides are happening more and more and are becoming increasingly devistating because of deforestation.  Mudslides in 2004 covered half of Haiti.  A stripped mountanside gave way in rains, and with no forest in place, the mud flowed right down through town and covered the entire village.  Same thing out in California.  Deforestation is happening throughout the world, and these massive mudslides we'll only hear more about.

The tsunami...thousands of coastal acres were stripped of mangroves (coastal dwelling trees that live in the water).  These mangroves had the potential of reducing drastically the damage done by that giant wave.  Satellite pics show one village with mangroves sitting next to another village stripped and the difference in damage is obvious.  Those villagers that lived with the mangroves still there suffered much less casualties.

Global temp through-out the world have warmed on average 1 degree Celcius, causing at least a slight rise in sea level.  But, an average of 1 degree Celcius means that in some locations (especially in the poles) they've seen a rise as much as 5 degrees on average throughout this century, mainly in the last decade.  These increases in temperatures and slight rise in sea level (unoticeable without exacting instrument measurements) are whats causing our beaches here in Florida USA to be eroded at a rate no one has seen.  I've lived in Florida now for 25 years, beach erosion has always been a controllable problem.  It isn't anymore, especially after 4 hurricanes.  And you think 4 hurricanes is bad, the Phillipine Islands I heard got hit with 10 cyclones (hurricanes) in 2004!

Beyond the public eye, there is the 6th mass extinction of species occuring (the last extinction spasm killed the dinosaurs).  Why hasn't the public heard more about this?  First of all, its in the news (check out www.6thmassextinction.com ), but our media has not covered it with the vigor that they cover the break up of Brad and Jennifer.  The politicians don't want to admit it, cause to stop the problem would mean pulling their hands out of the wallets of the industries that are causing the problem.

I could go on and on.  I don't mean to offend anyone, but we all need to stop denying this problem.  We are losing species now at a rate that has surpassed the extinction rate during the previous 5 mass extinctions.  We stand to lose 25% of ALL MAMMALS in the next 50 years or less!  And that statistic does not take into account any species extinctions that are brought about due to global warming.  When global warming is added to the mix, if things stay the same, we are looking at losing 75% OF ALL ANIMAL SPECIES IN 30 YEARS OR LESS.

Yes, the Bush administration has a problem, their hands are too deep in someones pocket.  Of all people who should know, someone at his level should, and he does know.  World leaders and EVERY RESPECTABLE SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATION is educating him on the problem.  We need change.  We need to educate the people so they can make educated decisions concerning who they are going to put in office.  But really, it is not us that votes these politicians into office, the mass media decides, then they act and convince all of us on the ways of the world and how it should be and who should be voted in.

Please take a second to visit my sites to see how far down this environmental rabbit hole goes.  We are on the brink of environmental collapse.  If you don't believe me, visit my sites and get educated.

http://www.6thmassextinction.com/one_planet_one_life.html
http://www.6thmassextinction.com
http://www.oneplanetonelife.com

Thanks for reading everyone.  I am not trying to promote my sites, I apologize to anyone who gets offended that I posted these links.  I'm just trying to be part of the cure.

Will

Michael, I second your whole post.  Your post is reflective on my own experience.  It is too bad there is such strong cultural biases towards the close mindedness of this subject.  What we could accomplish if society believed in this and explored this aspect of reality as great as we do other scientific endevours (like physics).  The planet Earth and the human species would finally be in communion with the heavens (for good or bad).

Frank, do you have any suggestions that will help people who desire this kind of shift move more rapidly through these changes of mind?  Is there information out there or advise you have that can help an individual to bring about this shift faster on the personal level?  Or is it a matter letting the "wind" take you where your gonna go?

I see difficulties for us in the coming 30-40 year period due to biosphere degradation and environmental collapse/species extinctions.  I am trying to educate myself and others more fluently in the area of ecology, consumerism, and the human spirit.  This "shift", I believe, will have to take place in a very short time frame to avoid very trying times.

Please visit my website at www.oneplanetonelife.com (a work in progress) to get an idea of the urgency I feel for this movement.

Once again, thank you for the great posts.

Mattoid, great technique.  I have been practicing this somewhat prior to reading this post, funny I found this.

What's great about this technique is how fast you can get to mind awake, body asleep.  It takes me anywhere from 3 to 10 minutes.  Usually, if I try while I'm fully awake, it can take 45 minutes or more!

The first time, I had a brief projection doing this about 3 months ago.  I had gotten up in the middle to go to the bathroom, laid down and thought I'd try to project and it happened in about 10 minutes.  So, I've been trying it every once in awhile, and have gotten to states I've read about but never experienced.  About 2 weeks ago, I had one where I phased into an environment.  I've never been able to do that before.  I began having the random imagery thing, then the randomness formed a office with lots of cubicles.  It was dark, like the office was closed and at night and I started hearing lots of voices.  I knew this was hypno audio, but was definitely not a dream.  It was too real to be a dream, it was like I was there.  The voices I could physically hear (though I really couldn't).  Hard to explain, but definitely, definitely was not a lucid dream.

Anyway, good post!  

Fear is one thing these dreams are helping me with.  They allow me to guage how far I've come concerning certain fears.  When dreaming and not lucid, if I do not react to something in fear, that means I have overcome that fear.  For instance, sometimes I'll have a dream/nightmare about some phantom monster demon thing.  Now, if I react to this thing like I did before I began working on my fears, I would fight it, kill it, run from it, whatever it took.  Now that I've been working on my fears, I approach this demon (and not from a lucid perspective) trying to calm my fears, squash them altogether and realize that what this type of personality is looking for is...for lack of a better word...love.  So, I shoot as much of those feelings at it as I can, as opposed the the fearful feelings.

These dreams are helpful in this regard, cause how often do you come upon a monster/demon in real life?

kinda off topic, thanks for reading...

Will

Me too.  Lots of dreams of projecting.  Then, like you said, when its all over you wake up and realize you didn't project you were just dreaming you did.  I guess its like anything else, when you obsess over something, you start dreaming about it.

I too have been "obsessively" interested in the UFO phenom.  Not so much anymore because I felt that what I have learned through books on the subject, well, there isn't much more to learn.  I became interested in spirit and OBE due to my UFO interest/gained knowledge.

I do not remember any abduction or "for sure" UFO experience, but feel it does hold some importance for me and that my spiritual path is somehow tied into this subject.

Anyway, I have many, many, many dreams about UFO's and greys, but they are not so real that I think they are not dreams.  One recurring theme concerning UFO's is a night time scenerio where I am with family members and the stars begin swirling in the sky and begin decent.

Sleep paralysis is a very uncomfortable if not terrifying thing.  Overcoming the fear and discomfort regarding this is extremely difficult.  However, at least for me, it is a 100% sure-fire way to go OBE.  With an exception to the times I used "sheer force" to will myself out of paralysis, I projected.  I think subconsciously you have definately caused these to cease.  

I would work again on sleep paralysis to achieve projection.  I overcome sleep paralysis fear by acknowledging before I go to sleep that if paralysis comes on, I will sit through it NO MATTER WHAT.  Its when it catches me off guard that I tend to try and force it to stop.

GOOD LUCK!