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It began during the meditation.  Since I was feeling so great and confident and at ease I decided to incorporate the brilliant white light and intense feelings into pulling my other self across the room.  When I realized I was out, I was not thinking of spirituality per se but I was focusing on being in the dream and noticing my surroundings, noting quickly that this was a grand experience.  I remembered the parts where I was just acting like I did in normal life, i.e. squelching the shock of having made it out.  Also, I put forth a great deal of energy into that time.  I knew I could do it at that time and I took a chance.  My dreams, WILDs, OOBEs have a spiritual and sharing feeling to them.  Some more than others.  To me, the dreamstate, astral planes, and RTZs are a place to grow spiritually, to work through problems, to play, and to understand.  Some people think all that is rubbish and dreams aren't important.  I disagree with that. IMO.  

I enjoyed reading yours too, BTW.

If your focus your life on hate, anger, and regret, it is only your fault for what you get.

I have asthma and at times(if I am attempting to AP while lying down) I feel like I am dying.  Try doing it sitting upright in a chair without a headrest and continue as you normally would from there.  Robert suggested this to me for a different problem I was having but I found it helps ease the anxiety of APing.  He was right about it being more difficult but I find it worth it.  

Also, try to focus on your breathing by using a mantra.  I use the phrase(smaller than the first one I started out with) "Ah Ham".  It is pronounced "Ah Hum".  Inhale with the "Ah" and exhale on the "Ham" or rather the "Hum".  I believe it is Buddhist in origin.

I hope that helps.    

If your focus your life on hate, anger, and regret, it is only your fault for what you get.

Hi, Tia!  I know exactly what you mean.  My mom and sister encourage me but they do not understand the experience itself.  I raised enough energy my first three days that I was shocked and apprehensive at the sensations.  It took downloading NEW and explaining in detail to my sister that I had energy depletion.  I am just now beginning to feel like myself again.  

I live in a small town and there is no one to talk to that can share some of the experiences I've had.  I've tried talking to my mom and sister but they never did it. Neither wants to devote time to it.  

I guess occult really does means "hidden," unfortunately.  I used to live in a rural town in the American South.  If you even had tarot cards, you were labeled a witch.  Yes, some witches use the tarot.  But not all tarot users are witches.  That is the danger of putting labels on people and things.  Your instructor strikes me as someone who should, having delved into "the hidden", realize that life and its secrets are forever growing and expanding and limitless.  To close your eyes when new information is developing and not share it and strive to learn it is defeating the purpose of spiritual growth. IMO.

I thank my lucky stars for finding the Astral Pulse and Robert Bruce's site.  It is such a long and daunting journey to learn energy work, etc., without having a place to gather and share stories, theories, ideas, and perceptions on what we are striving to acquire.

It was nice to meet you, BTW!  

If your focus your life on hate, anger, and regret, it is only your fault for what you get.

Hi, Conn!  I think your question is a great way to share and get to know each other.

I have had many OBE's over the past thirteen years(most not remembered and as dreams).  But my first conscious one was last year in January.  At the time I was corresponding with a Buddhist I met on AOL who was teaching me to meditate.  He sent me a book on Buddhism for me and I read it but I had trouble accepting some of the theologies.  But it helped me have my first OBE.  I have been trying to recreate the intense feelings of joy, peace, and love I had then but I have been unable to do it.  First let me explain how I was doing the OBE.

The man sent a phrase through an email for me to meditate on: Nam mo quan de am bo tat.  The spelling and pronouciation is not familiar anymore since I have not used it since then.  I have a story to tell about how I received the last part of the phrase but that is another story and category than OBE's.

I sat upright in the livingroom, closed my eyes, and began my meditation.  At this point I had not even thought of trying to OBE.  My intention was to meditate and go to sleep since the sun was going to rise in a short length of time.  I repeated the phrase over and over, visualizing a brilliant, warm white light filled with God's love.  I did this for quite a while.  Then when I was about to stop I had the idea to try for an OBE.  I could feel the feelings of love, joy, and peace intensify more and more as I imagined myself across the room.  Next thing I recall is standing in front of the TV.  I thought I was awake but I turned around and I saw myself with my eyes closed, in an upright position, looking like I was asleep.  My vision blurred but I forced them to clear.  At that point I thought to myself, "I did it!  I finally did it!"  I decided to experiment.  I tried to turn the overhead fan on but I couldn't get the switch to respond to my fingers.  Then I noticed the sun was rising.  The weatherman the night before said it would snow.  To have something to verify this experience with I walked to the kitchen window and looked out.  A light snow had fallen.  Feeling secure I decided to explore.  But guess what happened?  I don't remember where I went after that.  But it was my first OBE in real time!

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  If your focus your life on hate, anger, and regret, it is only your fault for what you get.

Hello, Brian!  I am so glad to see another neophyte like myself.  I have had many AP's and OOBE's but I want to consciously control them.  (13 years ago)I had a male friend that could "bring me out" and we'd dream together.  He opened my eyes to another world.  I knew I was psychic since being 4 years old but I never knew about AP until J introduced me to it.  Most of mine are like dreams.  Last year, when I was emailing a Buddhist I met on AOL, I APed but lost most of the experience to lack of memory recall.  



If your focus your life on hate, anger, and regret, it is only your fault for what you get.

I cannot talk about these sort of things with my mom or sister(AND DEFINITELY NOT MY FATHER).  To a certain extent I have felt alone in this respect.  It is difficult to relay the experience to them because they have not felt the sensations/feelings/thoughts that I have.  I realized he was the one creating the dream.  Your response has renewed my resolve that others have experienced this sort of thing.  Although J and I have not dreamt together in a quite a while, I treasure those experiences.  It was spiritual while being fun.      

If your focus your life on hate, anger, and regret, it is only your fault for what you get.

Thanks, Donni, for your reply!  I am starting to feel better, i.e., less tired.  As for negs, I am used to them, except for the really big ones which make it hard for me to to go about a normal day without feeling their presence.  I know some of them amuse themselves at my expense.  I guess they get bored, too.  Anyway, I appreciate your reply.    

If your focus your life on hate, anger, and regret, it is only your fault for what you get.

This is my first post and I can relate what it is like for the dreamer.  I will do my best to remember the details.  It happened 13 years ago ... around this time.  Wait!  Today is when J. and I began our little rendevous in dreamtime.  I maybe should not have started trying to AP now because of seriously deranged things that occurred 13 years ago.  But I digress.

First off, I have had several conscious APs but most of my experience is in astral planes not real time.  I do not remember how I get there.  When I met J. we discovered we were both psychic.  He told me he could enter my dreams and said he could prove it.  I said, ok, prove it.

That night he came to me.  J was 16 and I was a year younger at this time.  I do not understand how he did it but we had fun.  (We went flying in a helicopter.)  We developed a strong connection(at times I still dream of him).  The next day I asked him to relay what happened in the dreams.  He was right on the button!  A day or so later he told me he was part of an occult group that could do this and I was a part of it.  Whether he was serious is unknown to me even today.  But one dream in particular comes to mind right now for some reason.

I was standing at a tunnel or entrance of some kind.  J was to the right and behind me.  A man in a brown robe and tan rope tied around his waist was instructing me.  Other dreamers, who knew J and somehow knew me, were standing a ways off.  I was suppose to go trought this entrance or whatever it was.  I smiled to myself and felt safe.  The next day J asked me why I had looked over my right shoulder at him and smiled.  I told him becasue I knew he was with me, sharing something I wouldn't understand until much later(like now).  When I pressured him about why I was doing these things in my dreams, he said I would understand in time.  In a way my mind knows.  What this dream or whatever it was meant is still vague so any thoughts or ideas are most welcome.

Anyway, J told me he had to have permission from me before he could enter my mind/dream.  He told me there are portals that go to other planes.  I have never remembered going through one but I think they exist.  I wonder if when a person projects they automatically go through a portal witout realizing it, heading straight for the astral plane from real time.  

Another time, years after J and I had to break up due to my family, I wanted to dream with him.  I was not APing(that I know of) and started yelling his name in the dream.  I did this for several days and one night he was there.  He told me he still loved me(I told him I still did as well).  

Although I am a novice projector I have experience with being the dreamer.  I do not know exactly HOW it is done but I know it CAN be.  

I hope this makes sense.  I am having trouble with the "h" key on my keyboard.  Stubborn little sucker!  

If your focus your life on hate, anger, and regret, it is only your fault for what you get.