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None of it is important.

Concentrate on achieving your first fully immersive experience through intent and try to avoid reading too far into these concepts, go by your own experiences and try to avoid filling your head with useless theory. When you experience it you won't doubt what it is, lucid dreams pale in comparison (interesting and fun though they are).

If someone tells you that they've bi-located what would/should your reaction be? - Don't worry about those concepts, they confuse things.

You can't 'use them' as such, they're just markers. The theory is that the more it rumbles the more resistance there is, it gets calmer each time. I've only ever had the earthquake sensation once and, yes, it'd scare anyone no matter how well they might believe they've prepared.

I was brought up in something of an unstable family. Everything the original poster speaks of I am familiar with. I allow all kinds of thoughts to pop into my head now, they range the entire spectrum from the unspeakable taboo to what might be considered appropriate by other people. I just don't act on them, I do observe them however as it feels good to allow this much to flow through me unhindered. If one of those thoughts starts coming close to manifesting/being acted out, then I intervene and stop everything altogether. I'm meditating for two hours per day now and the clarity is magnificent. I try to avoid pretending to be a certain type of person, I've enjoyed watching my ego and seeing how it works, immensely so (even despite the emotional pain). We tend to be alarmed by the more negative thoughts but don't care too much when a positive one pops in. ;]

Balance means killing off the altered ego completely (don't respond to it, instead only watch it) I'm not there yet. A troubled past gives us great opportunities for reflecting on ourselves. During an OBE, reach the stage where you can recognise those elements whose only purpose is to interfere and ask to speak with them directly (it's a powerful experience), help them without feeling superior in the process. Quite often they want nothing to do with it, "no", "shutup" are all common responses. Keep your focus and watch them dissipate.

Agreed, you don't want to stop them. Become aware of them, they are some of the more immersive experiences you will have of the 'normal day to day reality'. It's such a rush :]

That'd take some serious talent and ability to synchronize with the environment in question. That's supposing it can be done at all. I've only had one experience of this kind and it was of a place I'd never seen before, I did it whimsically and wasn't overly concerned with failure and found myself, about 5 seconds after lying down, being shown what I had asked to see.

I relayed my findings to the individual who asked me to try this and found out that everything was correct with the exception of the time of placement. I got the block of flats, the floor, the room, the park behind it, the bookshelf above a heater, the bed in the corner etc... but the heater had been removed recently. The individual wasn't impressed by this, I certainly was though!

I haven't been able to do this since. It was about five years ago now I think. Don't think, don't imagine, just let it be shown to you. Don't corrupt it, don't interfere. Once you reach the level of stillness required, things will start to appear.

I'll say this, I've found some very interesting people in Huang Shan, China. I'm currently struggling to reach four months of celibacy as advised by them. Spilling your seed is frowned upon by these people as they believe you lose "Jing"/essence every time you do so. I'd love nothing more than to go into detail about some of the things they did but the whole experience was so incredible I'm not sure if it will be taken seriously.

If any of you are interested, pick up "Opening the Dragon Gate: The Making of a Modern Taoist Wizard"  http://tinyurl.com/2jonz9

It's just yet another book to most of us I'm sure. There're plenty of ways to come by knowledge and while it reads more like a work of fiction it's given me some more variables to consider.

Edit: During frightening times, whether in sleep paralysis or otherwise, I direct sexual thoughts at myself and it always seems to bring me out of it quickly. I've been told that this is also damaging.

This is very old news to us now : ]

Don't be upset when people speak with confidence about something they've only touched on. It can shake your determination and will to experience and explore the unknown. People in Olaf's position need to sound as though they know what they're talking about otherwise they can't secure funding.

Yes, I used to be afraid of the dark when I was younger so I'd hide under the bed covers and reach out for my glass of water on the side : ]

I'd grab it then in my hurry to pull it under the covers with me I'd realise I hadn't moved at all. This happened very frequently when I stayed with my cousins in Yorkshire. I did have one terrifying experience at home though, under the same circumstances. This time I wanted to confront my fear of darkness and lonely places so I decided to sleep in the room which scared me the most (lived in a big house back then) I hid myself under the covers and I felt someone poking me through the fabric repeatedly. It scared the life out of me and I ran out the room screaming. : ]

I'm not sure what the general consensus is, but the topic looks like an eyesore up there.


The first thing you see when you open it is a logo acting as an advertisement for an item. This is not the way of anything.

Why lock it? Let people voice their opinion inside it.

erynys,

One thing I'm still curious about. Do you feel as though you are able to distinguish between physical and mental aspects or are they all the same to you?

For instance, if you wanted to know whether or not someone is going to get ill at some point in the future, would it look different from a potential bout of depression they might face as a result of it?

Would it always appear as a spider web marker?

Why do you think this kind of imagery appears as often as it does?

How clear are these images, are they so clear that there is no question about them?


I've woken up to see symbols, very clearly, rotating on a 2D axis. These things are as clear as day and there is no doubt as to what they are. Are you sure that you're not over interpreting anything? 

You don't need to answer the last one as I know it might seem insulting. It's just something worth considering.

erynys

Needless to say, I'm interested in what it is you are claiming. Were I to talk to other people about my experiences they would probably ask if I was taking any medication. So, I'll ask you the same thing : ) I do not mean to offend you.

People who see colours / interpret concepts as colours fascinate me.

How do you think/feel that you are able to define/recognize a timeline?

As an experiment, if you were to look at my timeline what would you see from my 'past'?

Have you tried to manipulate what it is you see/feel?

Many people are fearful of their future(s). This manifestation might have something to do with it. Have you ever seen something positive in a timeline?


I'm just trying to understand you better as I believe that your interpretation of these events is interesting to say the least.

Well done Ixnay.

My advice to you is to remember this experience, write it down and frame it you must. If nothing happens for a long time you may begin to doubt yourself. Make sure you realise that it is important and worth your time to follow up on. I am very happy for you and wish you success in future endeavours.

Also, remember that it's not about trying hard. You are giving consent and allowing it to happen.

: )

The first thing you may notice when you hit the right spot in consciousness is how all encompassing and fluid your perception is. The key is to perceive in gestalts.

I've only had the feeling of knowing where everything is once. It was certainly fascinating and I'd like to have it more often.

You may also have a mild spheric distortion like looking through that peephole on doors or whatever, you know what I mean. So if you're going for those details that's already bad enough.

I've had that spherical distortion before, I wasn't sure what it was at first. It happened the moment I focussed on a particular object with the intent of examining it. It was followed by a high pitched noise and the session ended shortly afterwards.

but of course we're all entitled to what we believe

I'll stick to world peace and promoting understanding. ; )

Nor would I force myself to do such a thing ; )

It'd be a bad thing to get into the mindset of believing "the good stuff has been done for the day, now time to go be lazy/negative/ignorant/clumsy/selfish".

The worst-case scenario would involve thinking that someone owes you something for you being "nice".

It's almost like dealing with currency...<shiver>

If you remain positive then you can only do good. Don't make it a habit to interfere unless someone asks for help or they clearly need it.

It's a fun challenge : p

The only problem is getting the right location/area. If we knew how to navigate our way there it would make the whole "teleport" scenario redundant.

Zante - I wonder if you would be interested in sharing that first experience?

I was brought up in a family with christian roots, none of them were staunchly religious though and didn't seem to care what the other chose to believe after childhood. To that end I started drifting away from the idea of religion. During the time I was in my late teens I had all sorts of emotional problems going on (some of which I'd rather not talk about) and, in order to lessen the burden, I'd poke fun at those who believed in something that seemed so absurd to me, even my brother who pursued the idea of OBEs. I just thought of them as being weak, unable to cope with "reality".

There were times however, when things just seemed so hopeless, that I couldn't help but look to something I could believe as being more important than myself. So, that's when I started considering the idea of "God as an external entity". It was just a concept I kept in mind at the time, nothing more.

Lots of other things followed but it's this next experience which really got me thinking differently.

One night I found myself at the foot of a mountain, everything around this giant of a spectacle was flat. It really stood out. I looked up and, much to my surprise, my view zoomed in on the summit where I saw what I interpreted as being Jesus (it was the stereotypical archetype) looking down to me while waving, smile on his face to boot. There was a lot of meaning in it for me. That's the experience which gave me the final shove.

Looking back, it was probably the best thing that ever happened to me. It pulled me out of the box I was in, even if it was so I could experience another box later on. I was able to experience both ends of the spectrum thanks to that.

More spontaneous experiences followed and that's what got me to take my brother seriously (his interest in OBEs). I've done a lot of reading and I've heard and experienced some extraordinary things. I just need to be 100% sure of everything though. So far I'm about 95% certain that there's something very important going on here. Unless I can stand before a real skeptic with 100% confidence in my own truth, it's meaningless. It's amazing what some people need in order to be convinced. I've experienced just about every chakra sensation documented.

All I need to do is complete the experiment I've had set up for me successfully. : )  

Then my life begins anew, again. ;p

How did THAT happen?

My first spontaneous experience scared me into it. It left me very confused

I think I'm going to put some more thought into my approach of this (OBEs). I'm going to focus on getting my mind made up so I can make my next decision. I'm prepared to dedicate my life to this if I can get solid verification beyond any doubt whatsoever.

I've been from being a skeptic -> fundamentalist christian -> wishful thinker to being on the verge of finding my personal truth. This is by far the most important thing in my life right now.

If my doubt is false then it will be killed by more experiences.

I was going to ask the same thing.

I love to hear about people's experiences, that's what got me interested in the first place.

TalaNay, sounds interesting. If the object has been there for that long it should be viewable by someone provided they get the chance.

I'll certainly be trying! 

I wanted to hold off posting here because I'm in a discussion with a bunch of skeptics who seem very doubtful of everything.

I will share my clearest validation experience.

This was about a year ago when I was talking to a group of people in an internet chat room. I was being a bit flippant with regards to their philosophy of how people make up their own experiences to seem more mystical. At one point I was issued a challenge which entailed finding out where someone lived. I agreed, slightly worried at what I had gotten myself into, but made no promises.

I went to bed with my goal in mind but by no means determined to get the required information. The moment I closed my eyes I was being shown a city environment, I was facing a large block of flats with a park behind it. I had no control over what I was seeing, it was being shown to me. It's important to note that I wasn't asleep or dreaming, I had only just got into bed and was wide awake. My view focussed on a window of this flat and before long I found myself inside that room. Once inside I seemed to be able to look left and right by changing the amount of curiousity I exhibited to those  particular areas. The details were strong, a bed in the corner of the room by a door, a radiator by the window and a bookshelf above it.

I reported my findings the next day and much to my amazement the answer I got was...

"that's not so impressive".

It turns out the radiator had been removed a while ago but that everything else I described was 100% accurate. Well, in any case, I had certainly impressed myself. To this day when I bring this up, in the company of "skeptics", I get the response "you only got it partially correct". In a way it's slightly frustrating but that experience got me taking things a bit more seriously. If any of you have familiarised yourselves with the workings of the RTZ you will understand how it's possible to get overlapping information from past and present. Again, people will believe what they want to if given an opportunity, perhaps even me.

With regards to RTZ exploration, my sight leaves a lot to be desired. While in the projected double the most powerful sense for me is that of touch, I rarely get clear sight and if I do it doesn't last long as I get too excited. I've drifted through the walls of my house, confused as to where I was until I came into contact with a familiar piece of furniture/architecture. This happens quite regularly for me. It's gotten to the point where I now have boxes set up around the house (put there by others) with items I have to identify inside them.

It's something I look forward to provided that I am able to stay stable/focussed while "out".

In regards to shared dreams, I've had something similar. While enduring sleep paralysis at one time there was an entity floating back and forth in front of my bed. I couldn't make any of his features out clearly but there was a large protruding area on his face and it looked like there were large pieces of cloth dangling from him. I shared the experience with my younger brother who was shocked as his dream entailed being given an audience by a fat man wearing long black robes with a long, almost cartoon-like, nose on his face.      

I'm concentrating on validation experiences from now on as I want to remove all doubt from my mind. I look forward to reading more of everyone else's!  

Edit: I've had many experiences but they can be argued as being my brain recording information while awake and then presenting it in a 3D context. I do not want room for doubt but when I'm in the company of skeptics, quite regularly, it makes it difficult sometimes. 

Although, it's certainly healthy to question onself. Don't doubt outright, just question. So far it's looking pretty solid though. 

I'll take door number 2 please. 

With the LHC getting switched on later this year, at CERN, perhaps it's the start of a major paradigm shift.

i'm starting to think my feelings are more of a internal desire to be something and at the same time get revenge on those that i feel are threatening my way of life. ech. it happens to me. i don't care anymore how stupid i sound in the past. i view it as my learning experience, which would be easier if i had someone competent to guide me that's close to home.

During the darkest of times, in my own depression, I hoped for a disaster that would "punish" everyone, myself included, for our inhumanity towards our fellow man. I couldn't see the process for what it was, I only saw the surface of things and I reacted to it. I admit my ignorance to you, I still don't know where things will go in even the near future.

You have to guide yourself. In all your disgust, think like those who do you harm so that you might better understand them. When you see the bigger picture and are balanced in your thinking then take the next step. Don't react out of anger.

i hate killing, and it feels frightening. i don't want that path. it seems that it may only be half of my path though.

The moment you "pick up a gun", you better be prepared to get shot. Energetically you're drawing all sorts of things to yourself. Such things want the same type of confrontation you find so appropriate, they all think they're being righteous in their own worlds.

i don't know if it's a choice i'm going to have to make, or something i'll have to do, then fix later.

Yes, you choose to do it and then you "fix it"/come to terms with your grief. When you decide to get off that cycle you'll look back and understand how naive you once were. Don't be flippant when it comes to dealing with human life, there are consequences.