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I would say they are basically the same. I consider myself to be in AP when i become totally aware and in total control of my surroundings which are usually some place unique. In my OBE's i tend to think I am getting up out of bed only to realize that my body is asleep as my spirit is not. I usually discover the difference when something odd happens. Then I say to myself."Oops, I think I'm still asleep, physically." One can AP after they initially OBE.Your just mentally projecting yourself some place other than your origination.       Happy Astraling!

Hard, but not impossible. There have only been three people in the 20 years of AP that have ever been able to join me in flight. The first, my little sister, the other, a man I spent 10 years with. If you wish to have an astral partner more than likely it would have to be with some one you live with. This is only my personal opinion from my experiences. My present husband of 9 years can AP also. But we have only done it together once.  I suggest that if you really want to do this with another person make sure they are with you in the physical to slip into AP together.                                       Good Luck!

First ,as a new member to this group, I would like to say that I am soooo happy that I am not the only person in the world with this gift!  It may sound ridiculous, but until a couple months ago I was never on line. So, Here I am. TY!                                                                                                          Just like in the physical plane, we use our cognitive thinking to cope with certain situations. But, in the AP, only the slightest change of our thinking can change the course of the whole experience in its self.  The one thing that I have learned is, that to think like I am in the physical is impossible! Somehow our thoughts generate a manifested energy from deep inside ourselves. We create own own outcomes by our spiritual thoughts. As I tell all, the mind is a powerful tool.                                                                                                         False awakenings are unique. Somehow we or our spirits are not finished or ready to awake, but the experience we were in has been full filled. So, we are projected back to our bodies only to soon learn that we really aren't back in the physical. This causes the start of yet another new and exciting astral experience.                                                                                             I can't remember how many times I have thought I am really awake only to find that I have been deceived by myself. I have gotten up, peed. washed my face, brushed my teeth, then noticed a door or window in my living room that was never there before. Hello, your really not awake!                                                                                                    My outlook on the whole subject tends to be a bit more spiritual than the average person. In some way I believe GOD is preparing me for some thing else. Not everyone thinks that way, but not everyone has had the same OBE's  that I have. On the other hand  I do not pass any judgment on those who think differently than I.                                                                                                           Thank You for sharing your in site! I hope we converse again.   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------                                                                                                                                                                                                                           You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus - Mark Twain------------------------------------------------------------------------By the way, MJ.Tom You could not have picked a better quote. I love it, Mark Twain and all!

The first thing to know about me is that I am not the average AP'er. I never wanted this gift that started 20 years ago. Back then the idea was only a myth. Honestly, I thought I was going to die soon. It happens to me on a regular basis,2 to 5 times a week. I never had to try to do it. In fact, I tried to stop it from happening. Anyway, 20 years later and 1000's of experience since then I have learned a great deal. I in fact know deep inside my heart a spiritual mystery that plagues the average man. I know there is an afterlife. I know there is a good and an evil force. The best knowledge yet, I know that no matter what happens to me in this world or the next, I am always going to come out a winner. It has been a self esteem boost for me. Every one learns some thing different. No matter what they learn , it is always something that changes their life.                              Happy Astraling!

The mind is a POWERFUL TOOL in the astral plane. If there is even the slightest doubt of you being able to move or function, then your doubts are manifested x 10. The stronger your mind is, the more can do. Overcome your fears then you will be able to overcome anything!                           Happy Astraling!

I haven't heard that "Old Wives Tale" In a long time. Yes, that is exactly what it is. As far as having an OBE experience involving a mirror, I have never suffered any harm. There is a catch though while looking into a mirror in OBE. First the mirror is mind created, so everything that you see in it is also mind created. With that in mind, you will see yourself as how you perceive yourself to be. The image, mine anyway, constantly changes. It is whatever I think I look Like that I will see. You should really try it. You may learn something from that experience.    Happy Astraling!

"I have noticed that whenever I have a particular vivid OBE to either the RTZ or to the Astral or with Phasing I seem to become somewhat disoriented for about one day afterwards."-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------First, have you been AP for very long? I can remember when I first started at the age of 17, 20 years ago, when I would wake up after a night of OBE's I would feel mentally exhausted. I believe it is like studying for an exam all night. Even though you are not moving around physically, you are using a part of your Brain that is still weak. In time this will go away. It is like a conditioning of the mind. Like anything else in our bodies, if we don't use it, when we do it will feel overworked. It is like letting our body sleep while our mind is awake. So, the exhaustion of an up all night mind will be felt the next morn!     Happy Astraling!

Kool!  Can I ask you; when you were putting your hand threw the PC could you feel the layers of what you were going threw? It is hard to explain. I had an experience once that I was going threw a wall. I could feel the wall layers as I passed threw it. So, I am wondering if you felt the same but with a different material. Also, I have had an experience that I was watching a TV type screen and different pictures of things were being shown to me. It was weird! I saw plane crashes, forest fires, volcano's and earthquakes on this screen. What exactly were your pictures?

Thanx for the replies. I, like you find it amazing that him holding on to my hand kept me linked to him. As most/all of us experience when we are forced back to our bodies we never go back to the same place or see the same people. The fact that I actually became physically awoke enough to readjust my arm and yet still he held on to me was/is amazing! It is like opening a whole new book for me. As far as the calendar thing is concerned, I believe it to be more of a symbolistic thing. She/they know I could not take it with me physically. I think it is something that I am to hold onto in my heart.

TY Mark! At first I thought I thought I had some sort of evil curse put on me. As I get older I realize that I am blessed. I thank GOD for letting have such a gift. I hope that everyone that wants to, will master this gift too.                             Happy Astraling!

AS usual I woke to find my body beside me. So what is one to do? Go have fun! I flew out my window and followed the highway that led into a close city I live by. When I was just on the outside of the city I saw two Indian men. One had a crown of bear claws around his head and bear claws attached to his fingertips. He had on a bearskin type coat wrapped around him. The one following him was in deerskin dress only, no headdress. I approached him and asked him who he was. He replied Mr. Wiggly feathers and smiled. We started to walk together. He told me that when he moved to Butler, the city I was approaching, There were only two roads that led into it. Now there are several. He showed me what appeared to be some sort of book. I took it and opened it. I saw vivid glimpses of people killing animals, selling fur, waisting what he regarded as gifts from "The Great Spirit". I also saw beautiful scenes of eagles, deer, bear, buffalo in their natural habitat. He told me that the world was getting so bad and he felt horrible for me to have to live in it. I could feel myself starting to slip back to my body. So, I asked him to hold onto my hand so that I wouldn't lose him. He did. I could feel myself in my body,yet I could still feel and see his bear claw covered hand in mine.  Naturally I needed a position change. My left arm was starting to fall asleep. So, I readjusted my arm and slipped back into OBE. He was still holding on to my hand, a miracle! He then took me to what appeared to be his home. There were men, women and children all dressed animal skins of some sort. He told me that this was the home of his wife. She approached me with some sort of beaded calender. They told me they were Navajo and showed me other artwork. Pottery, jewelry, pictures, etc... The woman then told me that she wanted me to have this beaded calendar. She handed it to me. I took it, then woke up. That's the best one I have had in a while. Yes, I am part Indian. I always thought I was Cherokee, but maybe I am wrong.

I think everyone has given great replies to your questions. However, I think you must have some sort of belief in OBE otherwise you would never joined this group.                                                                                                     I am 37 years old, I have AP/OBE for the past 21 years. I never once tried to do it. It comes naturally to me. I believe there are many others out there like me.                                                                                                          I have no fear of death, because my first few experiences I thought I was dead. Imagine floating above your sleeping body. After thousands of experiences I know for a fact that we are much more than physical matter.                                                                                                    Before you can pass any sort of judgment on the subject you need to open this door and enter into it yourself. The Internet has opened windows for many different ways to experience these travels. I hope to hear that you have at least tried.

"You are engaging in a belief construct. There is no actual "in or "out" these are objective translations of the experience. You are never actually out of anywhere, so there is no getting in to struggle with. You are already where you want to be at any moment. Simply realize that and that's how it will become for you."
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this. Unless you are saying that we actually do not leave our bodies. If that is the case, then I have to disagree. 50% of my experiences start with me actually getting up out of bed/body. Sometimes I think I am awake until something weird happens. For instance, a few weeks ago I went into the living room and noticed wall hangings I never saw before. So, I realized I was still asleep, physically. When things like this happen I usually just fly out the closest window. I just don't understand how we could see our physical, leave it, experience things that are so real that my memory of it is just as clear as my physical memories, but yet not really be out of my body. Unless I am misinterpreting what you are saying?  TY!

Did you ever think that maybe you were dead. Your near death experience may have brought you back to life, so to speak. People can wake up every morning, go to work, come home and kiss their children goodnight. That doesn't make them alive. Only you could ever know. Do some soul searching, you'll find the answer!     Good Luck!

You will find that most people that experience sleep paralysis during an OBE experience have it due to some sort of negative/evil entity that near them. I have also experienced this in the past. I. my own opinion is that either these evil entities have a way of paralyzing us, or we are frozen inside our bodies as a protective way to keep from leaving our bodies open to possession. I highly doubt the possession thing. Every time I have ever came across a large amount of negative energy, it seemed to be able to either slow me down or render me unable to move or fly away.

I had experienced air elements similar to that. It was like a room filled with very colorful confetti. It was twirling all around the room. I felt very happy at the time I was experiencing it, so I know it was a good thing. As far as the dark cloud thing is concerned, it sounds like a negative spiritual entity. I once was surrounded by a dark cloud like that. I felt unable to move or even think. It seemed like this thing was trying to control me in a way. I just kept praying until it finally disappeared, and it eventually did. Always remember that no matter how negative the entity is or how fearful you may be, there is nothing that can permanently hurt you!

There have been many time that I have tried to return to my body and reconnect, so to speak, with it. It never works. It seems like when I leave my body there is an allotted time that must past before I can reenter my body again.                                                                                                    I have heard of this so called silver cord. I have never seen one. In fact I have never seen anything that connected me to my body. Most of the time when I leave my body I can see it laying there on my bed asleep. But, there have been times that i have awoke into OBE and been on my bed and not seen my body at all. I suppose this would constitute for entering another dimension?                                                                                            My big "Q" is why can't we reconnect with our bodies when we want? If our souls are only fitted to our bodies, then why can't we enter back into it when we want? I have had times that I actually thought I had died because I tried and tried to get back into my body and couldn't. Has anyone else had this problem? What are your theories about this?

So I have been told that people with the gift of OBE and astral travel also possess other psychic gifts. Like anything else we have, practice makes perfect! If you are experiencing precognition or a type of energy transfer from physical things in the physical, then I think that doing some research on the subject and practicing your newly found gift would be beneficial to you and others that you may be able to help in the future.                                                                                                    I think it is wonderful that you are experiencing this. I would love to hear more about your experiences and your progress!                                Happy Astraling!

Hahahaaaaa! I'm 100% with an Orthodox Quaker. WOW! Whatever that is. Cool test!

I'm so sorry to hear this story, Silent Hill!   The loss of a loved pet is very painful for us, people with big hearts.                                                                                                     About 7 years ago I lost the most lovable kitty I ever had. I felt so much grief and was determined to find out what happened to her. So, with her on my mind 24/7, of course these thoughts of her disappearing were with me as I went into OBE. So, I asked my higher power to show me where she was.                                                                                                      I first saw here skeleton on a rock, she was taken by a hawk. I then saw her running in playing in a field. This was her heaven. Of course all that we love in this world will be given back to us in the next. I know this to be true. I have seen and held many of my long gone loved pets during OBE experiences. Unlike most people I believe that we give our pets a soul  when we give them unconditional love threw their lives.                                                                                                    Don't feel you have lost your pet forever, because this world is only temporary. You will experience that love again in the next!

Hmmm, Hippy Crack!  All that time waisted on selling and I could of been using it to heighten my astral experiences.   Honestly, I don't think it would of worked for Trust me, I am 37 years old and have flying around me. Anytime I ever inhaled the stuff it left me feeling sedated and very mentally lethargic.  But, what works for one person may not work for another. If your seeking a chemical enhancer then LSD or Mescaline would probably work better. I, however feel that no drug is the best one! Keeping our minds and bodies clean and clear will give us better experiences in the long run. Trust me! I am 37 years old and have been flying around astral planes for 21 years now. I have experimented with many chemicals/drugs. They do nothing but give you a false sense of euphoria. One that doesn't last. Your mind is a powerful tool. Clouding it with chemicals will only weaken it. I'm not preaching to you, I'm only advising you how to have a more full filling OBE experience.

Interested in speaking with the recently departed? If you are having OBE's and AP, then you are flying hand and hand with it. 20 years ago when I first started to experience these odd night travels, not knowing exactly what was happening to me, I confided in a close friend. I can remember a few times telling this friend the things that happened to me and the people to whom I spoke with during these travels. I remember one certain time that this young man took me to a bar and we talked then he showed me a road that he died on. He told me his name and that he had a little brother that was in "Jock Shock"
over his death. I told my friend his name and what had happened. Turns out she told her boyfriend then called me back to tell me that this guy had died 6 months before hand in a car wreck leaving a bar. I still remember his name to this day.                                                                                                            Since then I have had uncountable experiences like this. I don't like to tell people or brag over it. I'm not sure what God's purpose for me is, but if I can help a few travelers and a few heartbroken families know their kin is okay, then I feel I am doing good.                                                                                                      Happy Astraling!

Seek and you shall find! Ask and you shall receive!  God's greatest mysteries are only mysteries to those who do not truly want to seek the answers. Ones faith can move mountains if it is strong enough. The astral plane is full of doors and windows that are just waiting to be opened to you. Time and patience will reveal these things to you and all whom seek them.  Happy Astraling!

Hello!  Don't get too wrapped up in how to communicate. It will come to you very easily and in the way it is needed. Telepathy seems to be quite common. However, we being still used to the physical talking with our mouths can still be used. I noticed a few times during OBE that the spirit/person I was talking with seemed to know what I was going to say even before I spoke it. That is telepathy for ya! I do however believe that there is a state of mental privacy in the astral plane. So, I believe that if there is something that we do not want relayed or communicated to some one else, subconsciously we will not telepathize it.   Happy Astraling!

 It is nice to see some one asking that! Yes! As a teenager, 20 years ago when I first started to have these uncontrollable OBE experiences I questioned the fact that there was an actual GOD or JESUS. I was raised under a strict Catholic family, so religion was beaten into my head as a child. As I grew my faith dwindled away. I think it must of been about my 3rd OBE experience. It was abad one. There was a huge dark ugly cloud like thing hovering above me. I could feel this evilness around it. I was so scared. I said to myself "I want to see nothing but my God"  After a what seemed to be a lifetime, I seen this beautiful glow. It was a right arm that was kept bending its hand upward as to tell me to get up. It had red and whit linens draped around it. I know it was Jesus. I reached upward toward it and I then awoke. Since then I have had eight visions of Jesus, four were whole body visions 3 were of his right hand, sometimes with a dove. I have had many experiences involving angels. One experience the angel was playing a trumpet then announced  "The Lord Jesus Christ" I, by all means am no religious fanatic. I do however believe that I asked a question and It was answered to me.                                                                                                                                Happy Astraling!!