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Hi All,

I'd just like to thankyou all for your kind words and support, with all of this. I've tried the nap approach, unfortunately doesn't work. I've got some good ear plugs, have been using them at night, when we've retired for the night. It's not a great solution, as you might imagine...But I very much get the feeling that one way or another 'things' will come to a conclusions in the not too distant future. Just one 'o' them things I guess... See it all for what it is.

Thanks again, I really appreciated your thoughts!

Cheers,

Steve

This is going to sound really weird I was wondering if any of you have this happen to you as well?

Essentially what happens is I'll be sitting at home, doing whatever, if I'm in a relaxed state of mind and looking at an object for a few minutes, i.e the tv, or a book I start to see things moving, or rather floating round the room. Normally they'll start in the periphery of my eyesight, as long as my eyes don't snap to the movement I can watch them moving around for several moments. Some of them come up really close, I wonder if they are actually people who are non-physical? I've tried talking to them in a non-verbal form, but haven't got any replies as yet. I always used to see them only in the evening, when the lights in the house were usually low, but now they are appearing, or rather I'm becoming aware of them during the day as well. They don't have any colour as such, they're more like a dark point, or maybe a shadow moving.

 It'd be nice to know I'm not losing my marbles

Cheers,

Steve

Heather,

If you wouldn't consider it an intrusion? Hope you're not offended

I seriously doubt I'll ever find another relationship like that again.

Not quite the same. Different doesn't mean worse...Just different

I'm sure you know what I mean

:hug:

Steve

Hi,

Firstly, thankyou all so much for your kind thoughts, suggestions and insights. In the coming times I've got some serious thinking, as what to do with all of this.

MisterJingo,
                Well yes, my practicing has been pretty much curtailed to times when she's been out. The thing I find so galling is why should I need to be covert about something such as this?
 

Or were there periods earlier in the relationship where one would be more considerate towards the other? If this is too personal a question to answer, tell me to get lost

Now that you mention it my hobbies/ interests, etc, have always played second fiddle against what she's wanted to do. She may say that "why don't you find yourself a hobby, that gets you out of the house", but then what follows is the emotional blackmail about not going out, the sullen looks/behavior that in the end will make me give up on hobby x, just to get some peace. A hobby is ok as long as it meets with her criteria of what  is acceptable and how often I can practice it. If it's deemed by her a waste of time, then, boy do I get it in the neck.

cinnabardk,

As far as I know, dominating females are very much a problem in some relationships. Sometimes they even play the victim in order to control their partner. That you don't seem to be spiritually compatible does not make it better.

Sure hit the nail on the head with that one!

Do you want her to slow YOUR spiritual progress

Well that's the 64 million dollar question. Of course the answer is no, but one of the points of partnerships I always felt that you enjoyed the journey together (physical life), help each other grow. The trouble I find these days is that she's just getting in the way of what I need to do.
We had a conversation a while ago, where we were comparing our perspectives. She's very much into exploring this physical world, where-as I'm into exploring the inner worlds. I'll readily admit that my lack of desire to go off to some distant land and 'see-the-sights' causes problems/tensions, but if you don't enjoy global travel (Let alone feeling bad about all the pollution you produce from long distance airplane rides), what's the point? In the end both are equally valid I suppose, but being that they're diametrically opposed in their approach/ objective doesn't make for a peaceful co-existence...


Lente,

 I agree. I remember years ago I was reading some psychology book, which it stated that there were two types of people in the world, guilt throwers and guilt catchers. My Wife has always been the thrower and for a long time I've been the catcher, tho in the last year or two I seem
to have largely stepped away from this role, find these days I'm just so tired of playing any kind of inter-personal power games. These games make relationships profoundly unbalanced, tho the more dominant partner may think they're the best thing since sliced bread, the other partner just ends up feeling squashed and rather crummy. I've been through all of this kind of thing with her, tried very hard to see the effect of her behavior has on those close to her.
Even her sister has strongly suggested she go speak to someone, but until she realizes she has a problem...I may as well be talking to myself


Heather,

     

Finally, does she really feel like you practice AP in order to cheat on her?

   To give you an example of when I first started to talk about/practice phasing the first thing she said to me was "Oh now you'll be able to go have sex with that old girl friend of yours, you told me had died" As you might imagine I was deeply hurt by this, you're right jealousy is a vile poison. As for her interests she's very demanding that she has the space to do 'her-thing'. Shes been studying for a university degree in a home study course, for the last four or so years. If I happen to ask for something or another I'm quite unreservedly told to '****-off' as she's too busy. Perhaps you begin to see how sublimely selfish a soul she can be. But bringing this to her attention just pours coals on the fires of retribution, so to speak. Now that I re-read through this post it almost seems that I'm making her out to be a bit of a monster, which isn't always the case. She can be a very sweet, endearing person...But so it seems these days, in my view, not very often.

Thanks again for all your understanding, listening

Steve

[you're dead!]

Hi,

Well she and I are pretty much complete opposites in most things, especially when it comes to spiritual matters. Shes one of the type that believes that when you're dead, you're dead! . That's fine by me I respect her views on the matter, tho she has been interested a little in buddhism recently.

MisterJingo,
               I've talked alot about phasing, etc, usually after about two minutes I get the flippant hand wave and the 'Whatever' comment, which esentially means 'I don't give a monkeys' what you think. For a long time now she gives out the impression that everything has to be done 'her way or it's the high-way'. She is unfortunately a very selfish person in many respects, is making everything within the realtioship very tiring. She even thinks that I'll be off sha**ing all the ladies in the astral, no I've not ever been unfaithful to her.

Lente,

Normally I'd agree with you, but having the sound of crashing tiles in the next room is asking a bit much really!

Tombo,
         She already knows this, still the interuptions continue. This is what I've been thinking over the last few months (Some more fundamental problems), which she refuses to address. We've already tried counciling, but she refuses to see any other point of view than her own.

What I guess it comes down to is that we both know we're opposites, even tho opposites attract, as the saying goes... They repulse too.

This has been going on in one form or another since we've been married (8 years), and as you might imagine...I'm just really freakin tired of it

Thanks for listening

S

p.s Nothing like airing your laundry in public, eh? LoL

<sigh>

I'm getting to my wits end here. I don't go out drinking, gambling, womanizing and all the other 'zings and 'ings that you could think of, yet what do you do when your partner won't give you a little space of an evening to practice meditation, or phasing? She'll clatter pots and pans in the kitchen, turn on the hair dryer full blast, last night I said I was going to practice and she started tiling the bathroom! (huge noises). She knows how important this is to me, when I said that I was going to practice last night she gives me this look of total resentment, like; 'wtf are you doing that for, you should be sitting here with me watching soap operas!' I can't stand soaps, btw.
I mean, it's only 45mins tops so what gives??!!

<sigh> I'm really starting to ponder that 'D' word...

Just venting folks, normal service will be resumed shortly.


S

Hi,

I've noticed periodically, when I'm awakening first thing in the morning I get some odd effects...I'm not sure whether I'm having a focus 15 experience/overlay, or something? What happens is I'll be laying there, just enjoying being warm and cozy and I can hear my alarm clock ticking (After I've switched the alarm off), in the background. I'd think to myself 'Gee this is nice, it'd be nice to slow time down, so I can just stay here a while longer' LoL. So I lie there and listen to the ticking in a sort of absent minded way, could swear that the spaces between ticks gets longer and longer, to the point where I just don't seem to hear them anymore. I'll then wander off into some reverie, mulling things over for what really seems ages and all of a sudden think YIKES! what's the time? I'll be late for work!! My eyes will snap to the clock, see only a few minutes has gone by.

Anyone ever experience this?


Steve

Adrian,

Amazing !! Maybe we should have a convention, or something? That would be quite something

Anyway, thanks for such a great site!

Steve

Hannah b,

Ahh well...One can but try, eh? :hammer:

I got the link via email too, tho this morning I got an email from some friends, thought I'd like to see some puppetry of the pen1s... :yikes2:


:rotfl:

Steve

not seen this before?

http://www.patmedia.net/marklevinson/cool/cool_illusion.html



S

Hi all,

With things being fairly quiet on the boards I've been pondering a great deal as to why I seem to have such trouble with my phasing practice, end up spending so much time just goofing around focus 10. I'll lie there, watching the swirly colours and go through run-downs of all kinds, still no real whoosh(Although things have got pretty close on occasion). I get all the usual hypnogogic snapshots and all that stuff, but still there's been no tangible events. Many people I've spoken to have said essentially that you just can't rush these things (Almost like "You must pay your dues" scenario), in some respects I'd agree with them, though my argument with all of this has been if you really desire to do this why is it that so many of us seem to spend an almost unbearable amount of time and effort to get a result of some sort? For some time now I've had the feeling that somethings been blocking my progress...

During the last few weeks I started trawling the web again to see if I could find something that might help, came across a part of an article that was on Bruce Moens website about how to change blocking beliefs, regarding the ability to perceive the non-physical worlds, amongst other things. Having read through the procedure about ten times I begin to wonder if it is indeed the case, that these aspects hold our entrenched beliefs, apply them (Like filters of a sort), to our physical waking consciousness, literally colouring our perceptions relative to those beliefs?

So anyway...The other night I thought I'd have a go at trying to contact one of these aspects, just to see if they are really there. Made my way down to a somewhat flaky focus ten(On my way to sleep), said to myself "I want to speak to the aspect that controls my ability to perceive the non-physical worlds". At this point I usually I start talking to myself in an imaginary form, though just as I start the conversation a shimmering blue entity appears off in the left of my peripheral vision, says "What seems to be the trouble, sir?" I must confess that I was so surprised that it worked straight off the bat, knocked me right out of the state. LoL.. When I get another chance I think I'm going to have a chat with my new blue friend

Has anyone else tried a method like this to un-block themselves, so to speak?

If you've not read the article, here's the link;

http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/chngbelf.html

Cheers,

S

Sarah,

Welcome

Ahh you must be talking about them Petronas towers :nod: You got stuck!? lol.
Yep KL is a bit of a funny place, modern metropolis mixed with 3rd world shanty town. I guess it's one of those places you visit once and move on..
We were there for three days, didn't get round to going up to the bridge between the two...Nice looking building tho.



Steve

Sarah,

:applause:  :applause:

I went to the bird park in Kuala Lumpur a few weeks ago, was the most depressing thing I've done in a long time. I'm sure that educating the plebeian masses about the world around us is all good and proper, but by the end of it I felt sad all the way down to the soles of my shoes

Great poem :hug:

Steve

["IT'S TIME TO LEAVE THE PLANET!"]

Hi Doug, everyone

Years ago, when I was still a teenager, had a similar episode in a dream, which I was walking along a riverbank with some friends, noticed this old ww2 bomber perched on a concrete pillar, on the opposite bank. We were trying to figure out how to get over to other side, could get a better look at the plane, I was leaning on this old wrought iron fence, which ran alongside the river. The fence couldn't have been secured too well as it tipped forward and I fell into the river, my feet got stuck in the mud and was pulled down under the water. After some thrashing about I drowned, everything went black, suddenly there's this commanding voice in my head, a bit like the 'voice of the mysterons' that says,"IT'S TIME TO LEAVE THE PLANET!" At which point I freaked and woke up. Still remember that one vividly, even to this day  



Steve

Giselle,

LoL...You're very right there!

I'm not really sure what enlightenment is anymore, even after all the years of studying philosophy and comparative theology, since 'truth' itself is ultimately subjective...So I'd say my goal would be to experience the what 'total self' feels like in an objective sense, take it from there.

Cheers,

Steve

hotshotrobot,

Tried to d/l it, but the bandwidths been exceeded...So I'll have to try it again in a day or so.

Sounds interesting

Cheers,

Steve

41 here, tho I feel like I got to about 32 and got stuck there

Steve

Hi Ibanez,

Welcome to the forums

If you've not been there yet, I thoroughly recommend havng a read in the Astral FAQ section.
There are a lot of great people here with a wealth of experience, so use the search engine on the site too. More often than not you'll find something to help you out.

All the best,

Steve

Ben K,

I'd love to be able to practice during the day <sigh>...Unfortunately the stupid belief construct called work keeps me from doing this.. LoL. What really annoys me is that quite often I find myself in the frame of mind, which I recognize as being conducive to phasing practice...I don't know quite how to explain the sensation, only that I know it'd be a great time to make an attempt. Hmm...perhaps I should take that sabbatical?

Tvos,

Thanks for the links :) I don't drink alcohol, haven't done so for about 20 years. I just made the decision that I couldn't stand the headaches that followed..LoL So there after I was the fav guy to give everyone a lift to the pub, or the xmas parties. As for the exercise I get out, as time permits and do some walking, which at this time of the year is just lovely, autumn is my favorite season ;)

It's interesting you mention the Bwgen program. I've been doing some experiments with it recently. I made a very simple track that starts off at around 16htz (Binural beat) and deepens right down to zero hertz. As the tone descends I make note of which particular frequencies have the most effect on the brain, are conducive to helping the brain relax. There seem to be four or maybe five specific frequencies that my brain likes. I know they certainly won't induce a phase shift, but I'm certain that using them  helps me achieve a particular state of mind. If nothing else it help block out the neighbors clanking their pots and pans, when practicing of an evening..LoL.

Doh!...I was going to ask something, but have forgotten what it is now! <sigh> When I remember I'll tack it on the end here... Hehehe

Cheers,

Steve

greatoutdoors,

Steve, you raise a good point. I cannot just close my eyes and visualize anything. Now if I wait and just watch I will start to see colors, images, etc., but I have no control over what comes along. So any advice you care to share about improving that ability is appreciated, at least by me.

What I've been trying out, that might be of some help to you is to just look at something (Anything), snap your eyes shut and try to hold onto the image as long as possible in your minds eye. Also when you're relaxing try seeing really simple shapes, or everyday objects. I quite looking at spoons(I like the shape for some reason), close my eyes, think of the overall shape then add the shiny metal effect with all the reflections, etc and then spin it around in my mind, see if I can picture how the reflections change with the light. Of course the image is still pretty dim, when compared to physical world spoon...But It's a start Also I treat the snapping the eyes shut a bit like a mental game of sorts, it might sound really stupid but I'm really starting to have fun with it. It takes very little mental effort, can do it pretty much all day. As to what effects all this will have long term I don't really know, but given how bad my mental visualization is currently it certainly can't get any worse! LoL

Give it a go, be interested to hear what happens.

Rooj,

I'll have to try out the 'nose-dive', see what happens I like the dream-views forum, have some interesting stuff there.  I've been doing the noticing thing pretty much every night, for the last 4 or 5 days, it always seems to be there in varying degrees...I'll be continuing my usual phasing practice that I do for an hour or so earlier in the day....The stupid thing is I now know it's right there for me to play with..It's just finding that method/ window of opportunity

Cheers again,

Steve

Hi Rooj  

Thanks for your reply. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who's been trying this out, by what you've written it sounds like I'm doing something that'll help me out in the long-run
I've also been trying out little exercises at work too, when I get a small space, just try to visulize small specific things like objects or at lunch I'll spend a quiet 5 minutes trying to get a clear picture of the room where I begin my phasing practice session.
Your Lion sounds really cool! I wish I could get my mental pictures as clear as this

I've been thinking about the focus ten thing, made another post about what the symptoms of this problem are...I honestly think if I can find the solution to this one I'll have bridged the gap, so to speak.
In the last week I've been trying to phase after going to bed (As normal), to sleep. The funny thing is I can get all kinds of swirly colours/ hypnogogia without even attempting to go the usual route. No mental relaxation, no listening to cd's, etc...I'll just lay there and do something along Franks noticing exercise and it just does it all by itself. I'm starting to wonder if I've been barking up the wrong tree all along? If I can find some awnsers/help to the questions other thread, then I'll stick with that as it quite litterally takes 0 (zero) effort.

Then at least everyone will sigh in relief, say ahhh some peace and quiet, at last! LoL

Cheers Rooj,


Steve

I seem to be full of questions lately

One of the problems that's been plaguing me more than anything else these days, is when I've reached a state of mind where I'm comfortable and am getting some good hypnogogic snapshots all of a sudden I'll have one image that appears out of the blackness(Quite suddenly/randomly), which sticks and tries to pull me into it at a vast rate of knots. I suppose this must be what's termed the 'whoosh' and boy is a whoosh! Now this seems to trigger the protection mechanism in me that Frank (I think) has talked about and pulls me back to the physical. I can only guess this is the same mechanism that wakes you up, when you're falling in a dream and are about to get squished...

Is there a way (perhaps via some F10 type repetitive affirmations or something), to either slow the 'whoosh' down, or to get the protective mechanism to ease off a touch (to allow the transition)? It seems that the two processes are opposing/fighting each other, ending up with me I suppose in a bit of a 'push me-pull you' loop here, having worked diligently to get into the right frame of mind, only to get kicked out again just as the whole process is about to work.


Thanks in advance

Steve

Hey yup,

In the last week or so I've been considering what my progress has been over the last six months,realized how rusty my imagination has become over the years. If I'm brutally honest with myself I realize that my imagination has become the equivalent of a 250Lb couch potato, what this has to do with what's (I think) has been throwing off all my attempts to gain access to focus 2 and beyond. I can lie there quite happily in varying degrees of focus ten for an hour or more, still my FoA won't budge an inch. I'll listen to the Monroe cd or some track with a bi-neural beat, will have the breath shallow out, feel the brain power-down, the eyes will switch off and still I'm left with the notion that there's something fundamental I've left out of the mental equation...

I've been looking through a lot of the older posts, reading up on the use/training of the imagination, and engaging the senses within a rundown, specifically getting myself to move around within the 1st person, instead of the previous and easier 3rd person-release-abstract/woolly sense of movement. In the last two weeks I've essentially put the phasing attempts on hold, have been working exclusively working with building up my imagination  muscles. The scenario has remained the same, will go through the rundown viewing the various rooms/areas I have created, tho now making the point of improving the visual aspects. It's been a slow process so far, find even within a single room, e.g My 'energy conversion box room' there is a sup rising lack of clarity, when compared to either a hypnogogic snapshot, or waking life even. But the thing that's come to me in the last few days is that my perception of the 'minds-eye-world' is getting better with practice, things don't seem quite so far away/abstract.  
I'm wondering if anyone has tried this at all, or have we all been using what we're given, so to speak ?

I'm not sure if this is right, or not...But to me it seems to boil down to a balance of 3 things;


1.Intention
2.Imagination
3.Relaxation

Just some thought/ramblings :)

Thoughts? Comments?

As always, ;)

Steve

Night Mist,

 Yup, sounds a very normal occurrence to me. I agree very much with Maj Toms posts/ links.

When this happens with me it's either because I've gone deep into trance/phasing practice (So to speak), or when I've woken up in the early hours and am suffering a dose of sleep paralysis. It can be pretty disconcerting to start with, until you realize that the body is essentially asleep and in 'automatic mode', doesn't need any input from you directly. Once I came to this realization, I found it quite liberating, gave me a tangible sense of the separation of consciousness from the body(As a mechanism).

Psychologically speaking there can be a fear aspect/ hurdle to overcome for some(Including myself). This is essentially has to do with the notions of self/ego being associated with the body. The simple method I've found of overcoming the fear aspect of this process is to simply confront the body ego by observing the body breathing when you're in trance. Remain emotionally calm and Listen/feel it shallow out as you progress further into this state, after a few sessions of this, to the point where you're really bored with doing it, you'll say to your self..."Yeah... and!!??" :)

The question I seem to be asking more and more these days, as I practice, is;

"Who's in control here? My body ego? or Me?"

:)

ATB

Steve