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Well I thought about these things myself quite a lot, I'll share some of my thoughts/experiences. They are independent so it may get abit messy (besides that my english isn't perfect..)

-I once had a dream when I was about 10 years old, I traveled very high up in the sky and suddenly all questions in my head were answered. It all made perfect sense, it all was perfectly fair. Everything is as it should be. Couldn't download the answers to my waking brain, though
I'll never forget that................

-Reincarnation: I picture a giant monster with different heads, every head is one consciousness. you are one head, I'm one head etc.. We forgot about the monster, now we believe we are all separate monsters, when you eat my food, I'm afraid I starve etc. of course this is all a huge illusion cause there is only one monster and it will never starve, it's heads will never get separated.
when one head turns around it sees the monster, it realizes that there is nothing to worry about(enlightenment) that it will always be united with the ones he loves and that it is completely pointless to get angry about an other head.
When one head dies, its consciousness will get sucked into the belly of the monster. There is a huge mother brain, which is aware of all heads at the same time, the "little" consciousness will merge with that all-embracing consciousness and all feelings of separation will vanish.

Or like a Zen master once said (Not word by word, though ): "Once you realize that every good dead you do to another, you actually do to yourself, and every harm you do to another creature, you actually do to yourself, then you'll become very friendly"


Now why could there be different heads?


-A couple of days ago a read a interesting dream diary of a guy that managed to lucid dream at will. (It is not even relevant if Dream diary is true or not.)

He has a couple of lucid dreams every night which are very clear and he has full control, meaning he can do what every he wants. Now, here comes the interesting part...........After a couple of months he started to get bored! He tried out all he could possibly think off.  He was like god in his dream worlds but it became boring quite fast:
So, He started to limit his powers in the dreams to make it interesting again. He deliberately gave away some of his lucidity and just let himself be carried away be the dreams. Which gave him new fun and experiences.
.............................................

Couldn't we (or our higherselfes) be similar to that guy? This thought makes me quite contemplatively. I mean, is it really that great to know everything and to have limitless power? If somebody would reach that state wouldn't he get bored sooner or later? I could very likely imagine that he would come up with a fun little game:
Put one part of himself into a world and limit his powers and memory's, make the rules that way, that this separated part will sooner or later return to himself again and retrieval "God-consciousness" once again.
No risks involved, I mean would could go wrong? Nothing! It sure would be quite a ride!  he would experience something he never could have imagined, limitations, fear.......The separated part would suffer, but hey, he would never be in real danger since he is indestructible and he will return to god-consciousness anyway.............
So the little part said: "yeah sure i do it! I can enjoy me limitless powers after that little adventure, so why not? Lets go, See ya later..........."


Hope you all like my little stories!  

Cheers Tom

The following is my opinion...........

It seems important to mention that the word "Karma" is used differently in different believe-systems. For example the Theosophy's define Karma very differently compared to the Buddhists.

I'll try to explain my viewpoint which is close to the Buddhist view.
First Karma means that mental actions have a consequence. we all know that physical actions have a consequence, so it is not that hard for me to assume, that mental actions do the same. Karma is not about good and bad in a absolute sense. it is not about moral, it is more like a physical law, that must be applied to mental actions.
It basically means when you do something with the intention to harm somebody then this will cause harm for you in the future. If you do something with the intention to cause happiness then this will bring you happiness. Intention is what counts.
It is very simple. For example:if you get angry when somebody takes your parking place, then this anger will have a negative effect on you in the future, for example you start to fight with your girlfriend cause you are still angry about the parking spot..............

AND not all harmful things that happen are causes by Karma! There are other forces at work. If somebody is born blind that does not mean he did bad in the last life and now he got punished for that! This would be a fatal misinterpretation of Karma!

Karma can be stopped if we life mindful.

Cool post zConzept!

Has this technique worked since you posted the above. I mean can you do it at will or was it a nonrecurring experience?

I always ahve trouble falling asleep when there is noice, so I shure would love to take over your methode.

Cheers Tom

That definitely could work, try it. You could also record something like "look at your hands!" or so and when doing it ina dream you should become lucid.

I would vote for Monism.
Has anyone experienced something that didn't consist of consciousness? All things I experience pop up in my mind ,so to speak, therefore I would conclude there is only mind.

Cheers Tom

this Ickle person uses a lot of fear tatics....you could be a slave to his books =P

Hehehe , I think you got it!

About your dreams, it might be that meeting that girl has shifted you in a very emotional state, which shattered a bit your 'psychic protection shield'...
Or it is a past lesson or happening (maybe even from another life), which you have to watch and solve, in order to move forward in your life.  

But try to meditate a bit on the thoughtless awareness before sleeping, with the attention on the central energy channel (Sushumna, along the spine) and on the crown chakra, relaxed. Because the central channel is the profound sleep state (or the thoughtless awareness, if you can put it into connexion with the conscious mind). So, if your attention is on it before sleeping, basically you will skip the R.E.M. and will avoid funny dreams.
Sushumna can produce dreams still sometimes, but they are direct messages from the unconscious, so called 'enlightened' dreams (correct, unbiased messages, dreams with deities, your true self etc.). Or Lucid dreams are result of connecting Sushumna with the conscious mind, but I'm not sure what you understand as LD. So don't push it too hard for a few days. Generally will meditation on the central channel, you will fell more relaxed and in a state of unaltered conscience, so no more attacks.  

Sleep well!

Ana-Maria

Thanks. Well the dreams stopped since I started posting them here. Don't know why though. I'll wait and see if the they come back.
I don't think I'll direct my attention on the central energy channel or something, because I want to have these dreams and solve them and not in any way block them. It was not like a terrible situation or something (the dreams I mean) it was just strange and felt like some kind of a message. But since they stopped I won't bother any more. Sooner or later I will meet the girl again and then I'll see if the dreams react to that or not.

Cheers Tom

What exactly is a jerk?! (I'm Swiss)
I thought jerk = Idiot  

Awesome! I'll book-marked it to..............

I wish you luck in your coming endeavours to meet with her!

Well I haven't succeeded yet   , but I made some researches in  other Forums. Here what I found out:

Some People can do it and there seem to be different ways to achieve it.

-One girl just wrote her dreams down for like 20 years straight and now she just realizes when she is in a dream.
-master WILD
-Stephen Laberge used MILD to achieve it
-A guy named Pedro used VILD to achieve it

I'll guess a keep a dream Journal from now on and try MILD...........

Info's on the methods can be found at LD4all.com

I'm still trying to figure out how to have sex in lds, the dream always starts to fade away when i try to do it, that's why i only try when I'm done with the dream and don't mind waking up, any hints?  

Don't get over exited! Strong emotions can wake you up. Stay calm and you'll succeed

Good you like the thread! I started to doubt if it was a good idea to make it a sticky  

Even if nothing is currently troubling you, focusing on wanting to get to know yourself better, improving yourself and to get to the root cause of any problems you may have (whether you are aware of them or not) tends to make dreams clearer (for me at least), which itself increases the chance of turning it into AP.

Interesting Technique!

Thanks for the help guys!

I am no expert in dream interpretation by any means and anyway it is something that only the dreamer can do as Nagual said but it sounds to me like a dream where the dreamer feels that part of them that they are clinging to should be killed (or rather left behind).

"Excess baggage" and all that.

Hope that helps in some way

That makes sense. Even if it might not be the reason for the dreams it would be a good advice, so...........

What are you like in real life? A jerk? In that case it could be conscience. If you feel weak, you may feel like prey and this is your preysense manifesting. Anyway, what do you do to react to it in your dreams? Run? Try something different. Fight back, let them kill you, kill yourself, whatever. Maybe try hugging them? Do something totally weird that they begin to wonder what the heck is with you? Just vary it up, see what happens.

Well NO! I'm not a jerk! Maybe you didn't notice but the dreams started a couple of weeks ago. If I would be a jerk, I would be a jerk for longer wouldn't I?!

Reacting different is a good idea but I'm usually not really aware, so I can't like ,control my reaction or something.

Thanks Cezyl

Well I need to work out a reliable methode to OBE first, You motivated me to do that, though, so thanks!  I'd love to hear about your experience if you succesfully manage to meet with Ember.

Cheers Tom

maybe it was not your parents that came to wake you up but some people who wanted to help you and looked like them so as not to scare you..

Thats a good idea! Didn't thought about that..........

Has anybody an Idea what this:

I looked around the room and to my surprise it was completely empty! wires were hanging out the wall like the whole interior decoration had been ripped out!

Could mean?

Anyways, the coolest thing about my OBE was that it felt different to a LD! I think they are not the same!

Difference seems to be that in a OBE my consciousness is closer to my waking consciousness then in a LD. I knew more clearly who I was and what I was doing. Hard to explain but it just felt a little different.

This morning I enjoyed my 5th OBE so far.

The experience was pretty odd. One thing was. that I clearly felt my parents enter my bedroom to wake me up as the vibrations hit. I thought "oh, no!" as I felt my father pull at my bedspread , I decided to leave me body anyway and willed myself out. I found myself in complete darkness. I moved over to the living room were some light was present. My vision was blurred and I could only see a fraction of the room (like somebody holding his hands before my face) I required a clearer sight several times which helped. Still, I felt strange my hands were almost invisible, like out of tune or something. I looked around the room and to my surprise it was completely empty! wires were hanging out the wall like the whole interior decoration had been ripped out! only thing in the room was my mattress laying on the floor. I felt completely odd.
I decided to return to my body since I was afraid my parents could think I died, since they were obviously not able to wake me up. With some trouble I managed to end the OBE.
Of course nobody was in my room..................

any thoughts?

My reaction............

I run away and try to hide, sometimes they find me then I fight back. Yesterday I killed 2 Jaguars that intruded my hidung place. They didn't fight back though. I felt kind of sorry for them after I killed them with a axe.........

Hmm, but how? what could these killing dreams mean?

4 unusual things happened before the killing dreams started (as far as I can remember):

1) I intensified my meditation. I don't believe this could be the reason though, cause I meditate for over 4 years now and did just slightly increase the intensity. Funny thing: A guy in a dream told me to do so.

2)Somebody almost got me convinced that dreams are just a product of the neo cortex. I don't believe that anymore, I think. But probably my spiritual side didn't like that.

3) My LD's stopped. Partly due to a lack of practice on my side, partly due to some unknown reason.  I started again with my LD-Practice, still I haven't had any success so far.

4) I met a girl I once was in Love with. I hadn't seen her for 4 years and the meeting was quite strange.....

Hmmmmm......Any thoughts?

I wander who can LD at will and what technique he used to achieve it.
Cause, it is my long term goal to be able to LD at will.
How would you tackle that goal?

O.k. I'm usually to very much into dream interpretation, but these dreams caught my attention.
Almost every night I dream about somebody trying to kill me! Each time it is a different person, they have different reasons to kill me or sometimes they just seem to be mad at me or  evil-minded. It is not a pleasant feeling!
I think this is really strange cause I never dreamed things like that in the past as far as I can remember.  I mean, somebody trying to kill you is quite a strong sign/message/dream content so what you all think this could mean?

What does an astral experience have over a lucid dream? I wonder why some would want to convert their lucid dream into an astral one.

Since I started the topic you might be referring to, I'll answer,Well, there are a couple of answers.........

First of all, looking for ways to convert a LD into a OBE doesn't mean, one favors the later. It doesn't mean one converts all LD one has into OBE. I, at least won't do that. I want to have both.
I'll give some reasons why I'm interested in the conversion process:
-I want to explore OBE's and I believe that the conversion is a more easy approach to have a OBE, then inducing it from the waking state (at least for me it is) so I'll try to get some OBE by LD->OBE conversion.
-I want to compare LD with OBE, therefore I want to experience both and convert them into each other, see if I should favor one.........basically I want to convert to answer the question you asked to myself!
-I'm interested in the phenomenon of consciousness itself, to understand it, I want to master  LD as well as OBE. Conversion might yield some light on their connection and on the nature of both phenomenon as well as consciousness
-I don't think conversion should mess up things to much since both phenomenon seem close related, why not try it?
-OBE's might be a less subjective experience then a LD which might offer more options. At least some say it does, wanna see if it's true.
-Curiosity

Here are some more techniques I found in the Internet. I hadn't a chance to try them yet but thought I'd share them anyway. If anybody tries one out please report your experience, thanks.

1)

"Please be forewarned that I have not checked spelling or grammer in this...


 What is  found in this  document is a method  that has, for some  time now, worked
very  well for  me. Unfortunately, I do not know if  this method works  as a trigger
just for me, so I've decided to release it to the public. Hopefully people will find
it works well for them as well.

 To begin with, I'd like to quickly explain a little about a herb named Salvia
Divinorum. Please don't make any false assumptions, the actual method has little to
do with Salvia, however, knowledge of it is needed.

 Salvia  Divinorum  is an herb used  by the  Mazatechs to induce  visions and allow
shamen to travel to 'the  shamens world'. Use of  a relatively large  dose of Salvia
will  distort the  real world, however, upon  closing  your eyes, the user  will  be
flooded  with  different  colored shapes  and patterns, moving  and twisting  around.
After this, the user  actually begins  to see  vivid imagery and  can live the  life
as someone else, somewhere  else, at a  different time. Salvia has been  labeled the
substitute for Astral Projection, however, the two experiences are not the same.

 The  method is  simple and straight  forward, but it requires  being lucid in your
dream. If you do not have the skill of becomming lucid in your dreams yet, you won't
be able to do the following steps.

 So you've become lucid, what's next? Sit down  in a chair  somewhere near by. Tell
yourself you've just taken  Salvia sometime  in the  close past (five minutes or so).
If  you've ever  experienced Salvia, you may even feel a few of the  effects comming
on. Now lean  back and close  your eyes. Watch for any  patterns or colors  that may
appear. Very soon after, vivid imagery should start to appear, for a very short time.
Within ten seconds of closing your eyes, you should start hearing the  buzzing noise
that accompanies  astral projection. Personal  experience : Do not let this frighten
you the slightest bit, or you will fail to Astral Project.

 At this point  you will  actually find that  you are going back and  forth between
the  dream world  and real life. This  is really tough to  explain, and my memory at
this point in  time  is hazy (as  I'm sure it will  be for you). Continue  with your
eyes closed  in dream, and don't  think about anything that you're  experiencing too
much. Just  tell  yourself  that you  want  to leave your body  temporarily. At this
point, you will probably  not even be dreaming  anymore, but in a deep  trance state
which is extremely easy to leave your body in.

 Hopefully  this method works  well for you. I guess  you could say it's  a way  of
turning a deep  sleep into a deep trance  from within  your dream. Maybe  everything
that  I do  here is  irrelivent. Maybe the only  thing that has to be  done is  this
change in  concsiousness  while sleeping, but  the salvia  method works well  for me.
Maybe you will find something that works better for you.

 
 This is a recall of my first time doing this  method. This was not the  first time
I had ever Astral  Projected, but  the buzzing  still screwed me up, because  it was
so unexpected at the time.

In my dream, after closing my eyes while sitting in a chair with a few of my friends
nearby, I saw a black and  purple spiral, spinning  around just like I have  seen on
Salvia. This  was  all on a  black  background, so there  weren't very  many visuals,
only this spiral.

 I began to get vivid flashes of random images within 5 seconds  of closing my eyes
(in the dream). The come on was fast, and I assume this is because I'm already asleep.
The vivid images flashed  for a bit. The only actual  image I remember seeing was an
ocean sunset from a bridge over a stream.

 After about two seconds (so I'm rougly estimating 7 seconds after closing eyes), I
began  to  hear the  famous 'buzzing' or 'static' noise that comes  along  with  the
beginning of an Astral Projection. It  was going directly into both my  ears, and my
body begain to feel light. Along with the buzzing came the sleep paralasys. As I sat
in my chair, desperately  trying  to move due to  panicking, I scrunched  up my face.
Suddenly, I saw vivid images of my body in  real life, real  time, with my  face all
scrunched  up on my bed, and me trying to move my body. I was experienceing the same
feelings  in the dream  as I  was in real  life. It  was almost as  if it  was  dual
conciousness. I went back and forth between the dream and the real world a few times
before I managed to get out of the feeling.

 After  thinking  about it, I  realized that the  buzzing and  paralysis I  wasn't
used to feeling at that time scared me, and I panicked. There seemed to be, at this
point, some duality in conciousness between my dream and the real world.

 I have attempted this method lately, and it has worked out quite well for me, but
as I say, it may just be a trigger for my brain. Hopefully you'll get something out
of this document, maybe even an Astral Projection

. "

2)
Just flying upwards at a very fast rate did it for me, several times. ?
Weeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

3)"Personally I have had quite a few experiences from the Lucid Dream state, I will list what has worked for me.

-Simply stating the intention saying "Astral Project" After that I feel a change in awareness it sharpens and I feel lighter and usually the scene changes.

-Asking a question, or making a statement "I want to see everything!" has worked.

-Again mentally saying wile flying "I wish to OBE in real time and space" opposed to the dream environment.

-Sitting and meditating in the dream until it ends at which time you enter the black void and can do as you please.

-Being shot through the heart and feeling death, not so nice but it did work.

Well that's just a few ways I have triggered an Astral Projection."

4)"Look for a bathroom mirror in your dream.You can find mirrors in washrooms if you are in a public place, youcan also find them in peoples house if you are lucid outdoors, or make one on a wall. The bigger the mirror the better, the faster you enter the mirror the better. You have to wait for your reflection to appear. Then say "Increase lucidity 100 %" and press yourself into your reflection. Your lucid dream will end right then and their. I can not say what type of OBE you will have, but I can say You wont be disapointed."

Here are some more techniques I found in the internet. I hadn't a chance to try them yet but thought I'd share them anyway. If anybody tries one out please report your experience, thanks.

1)

"Please be forewarned that I have not checked spelling or grammer in this...


 What is  found in this  document is a method  that has, for some  time now, worked
very  well for  me. Unfortunately, I do not know if  this method works  as a trigger
just for me, so I've decided to release it to the public. Hopefully people will find
it works well for them as well.

 To begin with, I'd like to quickly explain a little about a herb named Salvia
Divinorum. Please don't make any false assumptions, the actual method has little to
do with Salvia, however, knowledge of it is needed.

 Salvia  Divinorum  is an herb used  by the  Mazatechs to induce  visions and allow
shamen to travel to 'the  shamens world'. Use of  a relatively large  dose of Salvia
will  distort the  real world, however, upon  closing  your eyes, the user  will  be
flooded  with  different  colored shapes  and patterns, moving  and twisting  around.
After this, the user  actually begins  to see  vivid imagery and  can live the  life
as someone else, somewhere  else, at a  different time. Salvia has been  labeled the
substitute for Astral Projection, however, the two experiences are not the same.

 The  method is  simple and straight  forward, but it requires  being lucid in your
dream. If you do not have the skill of becomming lucid in your dreams yet, you won't
be able to do the following steps.

 So you've become lucid, what's next? Sit down  in a chair  somewhere near by. Tell
yourself you've just taken  Salvia sometime  in the  close past (five minutes or so).
If  you've ever  experienced Salvia, you may even feel a few of the  effects comming
on. Now lean  back and close  your eyes. Watch for any  patterns or colors  that may
appear. Very soon after, vivid imagery should start to appear, for a very short time.
Within ten seconds of closing your eyes, you should start hearing the  buzzing noise
that accompanies  astral projection. Personal  experience : Do not let this frighten
you the slightest bit, or you will fail to Astral Project.

 At this point  you will  actually find that  you are going back and  forth between
the  dream world  and real life. This  is really tough to  explain, and my memory at
this point in  time  is hazy (as  I'm sure it will  be for you). Continue  with your
eyes closed  in dream, and don't  think about anything that you're  experiencing too
much. Just  tell  yourself  that you  want  to leave your body  temporarily. At this
point, you will probably  not even be dreaming  anymore, but in a deep  trance state
which is extremely easy to leave your body in.

 Hopefully  this method works  well for you. I guess  you could say it's  a way  of
turning a deep  sleep into a deep trance  from within  your dream. Maybe  everything
that  I do  here is  irrelivent. Maybe the only  thing that has to be  done is  this
change in  concsiousness  while sleeping, but  the salvia  method works well  for me.
Maybe you will find something that works better for you.

 
 This is a recall of my first time doing this  method. This was not the  first time
I had ever Astral  Projected, but  the buzzing  still screwed me up, because  it was
so unexpected at the time.

In my dream, after closing my eyes while sitting in a chair with a few of my friends
nearby, I saw a black and  purple spiral, spinning  around just like I have  seen on
Salvia. This  was  all on a  black  background, so there  weren't very  many visuals,
only this spiral.

 I began to get vivid flashes of random images within 5 seconds  of closing my eyes
(in the dream). The come on was fast, and I assume this is because I'm already asleep.
The vivid images flashed  for a bit. The only actual  image I remember seeing was an
ocean sunset from a bridge over a stream.

 After about two seconds (so I'm rougly estimating 7 seconds after closing eyes), I
began  to  hear the  famous 'buzzing' or 'static' noise that comes  along  with  the
beginning of an Astral Projection. It  was going directly into both my  ears, and my
body begain to feel light. Along with the buzzing came the sleep paralasys. As I sat
in my chair, desperately  trying  to move due to  panicking, I scrunched  up my face.
Suddenly, I saw vivid images of my body in  real life, real  time, with my  face all
scrunched  up on my bed, and me trying to move my body. I was experienceing the same
feelings  in the dream  as I  was in real  life. It  was almost as  if it  was  dual
conciousness. I went back and forth between the dream and the real world a few times
before I managed to get out of the feeling.

 After  thinking  about it, I  realized that the  buzzing and  paralysis I  wasn't
used to feeling at that time scared me, and I panicked. There seemed to be, at this
point, some duality in conciousness between my dream and the real world.

 I have attempted this method lately, and it has worked out quite well for me, but
as I say, it may just be a trigger for my brain. Hopefully you'll get something out
of this document, maybe even an Astral Projection

. "

2)
Just flying upwards at a very fast rate did it for me, several times. ?
Weeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

3)"Personally I have had quite a few experiences from the Lucid Dream state, I will list what has worked for me.

-Simply stating the intention saying "Astral Project" After that I feel a change in awareness it sharpens and I feel lighter and usually the scene changes.

-Asking a question, or making a statement "I want to see everything!" has worked.

-Again mentally saying wile flying "I wish to OBE in real time and space" opposed to the dream environment.

-Sitting and meditating in the dream until it ends at which time you enter the black void and can do as you please.

-Being shot through the heart and feeling death, not so nice but it did work.

Well that's just a few ways I have triggered an Astral Projection."

4)"Look for a bathroom mirror in your dream.You can find mirrors in washrooms if you are in a public place, youcan also find them in peoples house if you are lucid outdoors, or make one on a wall. The bigger the mirror the better, the faster you enter the mirror the better. You have to wait for your reflection to appear. Then say "Increase lucidity 100 %" and press yourself into your reflection. Your lucid dream will end right then and their. I can not say what type of OBE you will have, but I can say You wont be disapointed."

Thanks for the compliments.....  I might not be a good projector but at least I have good questions

So, I have one more question........

Physical reality is dense to the point where it cannot be easily manipulated by the mind. That's #1. #2, what we experience as our physical reality is part of our collective consciousness. This means that our environment is very stable because it is held in place by all of our collective minds. In a dream, you can do pretty much anything because you only have your mind to play with, and you're not dealing with the dense physical world.

You guys keep telling this but still I don't completely understand what you mean. I'll try to explain what my problem is:
There are physical things that only I know, facts that only my consciousness is aware of. For example I cut my finger. Nobody else knows about it. So, from what you are saying, I would conclude that it should be as easy as in a dream to instantly heal my finger. Actually it should even be easier cause collective consciousness (my family...) expects the finger to be intact. But it's not!
How do you explain that?

Hello?!

Wow! Xetrov, you seem to invest quite some time into this.
I must say I find this article much more agreeable then your last one.  I think we all learned quite a bit in the course our intense discussion. Nevertheless, I hope for somebody to argue against you this time as well, I won't do it though.
I hope you stick around the forums, cause I appreciate your way of thinking.

See you, Tom