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As regards to the post by Frank i think Robert Bruce himself has stated that he does not want to paint the image that the Astral is full of demons and nasties galore etc. But there are certain beings that can be quite nasty just as there are humans in this world of ours that can be nasty. Robert has stated that due to the nature of their neferious activities negs are generally very secretive and shy when encountering an Astral Projector so many experienced projectors may not come across them unless they purposely go looking in the lower Astral areas.

Robert Monroe also describes these lower areas in Far Journeys where he saw various beings, humans or otherwise, attaching themselves to living humans trying to live through them vicariously and/or affecting peoples lives.

Carlos Castaneda is another one, he called them "The Flyers".

There are far too many experienced and respected projectors and/or authors/researchers/mystics in this area who have commented on negs for it to be a coincidence.

And of course there are the various spiritual/religious traditions of demons/unclean spirits. Jesus exorcising spirits is one example, or Buddhism has what they term "Hungry Ghosts".

quote:Originally posted by Nay

Ahhhhhh..McArthur and Dk, so lovely to see you this fine morning of my birth!  Thanks for your comments! []

Happy Birthday nay! I hope you are having a great day. []

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Hey....how 'bout for my birthday, you two stop playing tag team for one day, on the Astral Pulse?

Firstly, Dk and myself are not playing "tag team", i hardly know her. Secondly, i dont see why anyone should stop posting because it is your birthday. This is a serious subject that needs talking about.

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus

quote:Originally posted by SeventhVirgo
2.) There is some discussion about you being "negative" spirtis or something...  I don't see how this is, since you don't ask us to BELIEVE anything you say... and you don't feel negative

Its called deception, if a neg didnt want you to know it was a Neg it would say stuff like 'you dont have to believe us' and not say 'you best believe us', because a neg would know by saying you dont have to believe you're more likely to believe.

Very well put. Its what is called reverse-psychology.

I have a few questions for the Zetas.

1. What is your opinion of the fact i have suspicions you may not be what you claim to be and will this affect any future answers i get from you (if any)?

I have a question about the following;

quote:Originally posted by Edi

Z: Think about your definition of emotions. We do feel love and compassion. Is it necessary to have bodily requisites for this? No. We have 'buddies' and contacts and a social structure, we have relationships, and we are far from alone. Zeta guides are caring about their proteges, and we are delighted when things work out well. When we are said not to have emotions, this is true,

2. In this paragraph you say that it is true you have no emotions but if this is true then how can you feel love and compassion? I would be interested in how you deal with this contradiction. Thanks.

3. Also i would like to know what you know about what is called in certain Occult circles as the "Eighth Sphere" or "Dark Star" and its inhabitants. i.e. Where it is and what these beings are like.

As i am sure you are already aware i am very skeptical about what exactly you are and the truths of some of the things you are saying. Do you see this as being negative (as another poster here said) or is it better to question rather than blindly believe everything you tell us?

Hi James,
        i'm thinking perhaps the title of this thread could be changed to "How can i tell if this spirit is really my Guide and not just tricking me?" (If Mayatnik or other chanelers here could come up with ways they have used to determine this it would be helpful), but lets continue anyway if you dont mind sharing. In the thread you linked you mention the visit you had with 'the Green lady'. Was this in a waking vision/dream/astral? You also said "After the vision I felt a kind of aftersickness, and needed to get something sweet into me, as if I'd burned off too much energy." Can you describe what you mean by aftersickness, how long it lasted and how it felt? Why something sweet?

Not that it could be anything bad im just curious. For instance, when i had my first Reiki attunement i was sick with flu symptoms for over a week! Supposedly it is linked to a kind of purging effect one undergoes. And in healing sessions when one is exposed to healing energies sometimes you can, although not always, get what is called a "healing crisis" that is generally short-lasting. Im not saying this is what happened in your case just giving you an example of one of my own experiences of "aftersickness" in a different context.

Could you describe the process of how you were first put in contact with Wecha? I'm finding it hard to understand why 'The Green lady' did not introduce Wecha to you herself or why Wecha would need to go through someone else to contact you.

And finally for now would you mind giving details of the visitation you had by the "Green Lady" confirming you should accept Wecha as your guide and what reasons were given, what she said, what you saw and felt energetically/emotionally etc.

quote:Originally posted by James S

This post contains pretty much all the detail of my first visit from the Spirit of Nature. Look in my second post in the topic for the details of our meeting:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1649

Thanks i'll read it.

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I'm glad you mentioned about the feeling you got. Thats good to know. [] This is something I think is very important, and you're doing what you should be here - feeling your way through it. Spirits can lie in words, but if you have any kind of empathic ability, they cant lie in the emotions the put out.

I tend to agree that it would be extremely hard for a neg to give off positive vibes and is one of the few ways we can tell the difference. The positive energy a good spirit gives off is unmistakeably different to that of most negs i have encountered. But i have also come across "tricky" spirits that i did not seem to pick up any kind of energetic feeling from at all. Also, i have occasionally a kind of soft tingling on various parts of my body (where a spirit comes in close proximity to myself) that feels "OK" (kinda like a gentle goosebump feeling - it certainly doesnt feel "negative"). But this just means my energy body has picked up a "presence" nearby and is not an indicator of what kind of spirit it may be even though the feeling i get when i sense them is not unpleasant.

The experience yesterday though was as if non-physical hands with intense warmth (and positive energy) were placed in the area i mentioned. And it was very relaxing []

As with everyone else i'm still learning all these things and trying ery hard not to allow my beliefs, previous experiences, or "wants" to colour how i percieve things.

I will get back to some more of your post soon.

quote:Originally posted by Ken

Hi.
I have a couple questions.

What is causing the tap-tap-tap sounds on my dressers in my bedroom? Is it a guide,earthbound or something else?

I have a Native protector. Can I trust him?

Please tell me about any other real guides I have around me who are actually helping me.

Thanks.

Perhaps i didn't make myself clear so i apologize. But i am not claiming to be able to answer questions like the above. The tapping could be anything. I don't know if your Native Protector is trustworthy either. But if you would like to answer the 7 questions already asked in this thread we can go from there.

quote:Originally posted by harlequin_star

hiya. .quick question: why do ya need the guides name/ what if the guide doesn't want other people to know their names?

I prefer not to reveal why i asked for the names. If you have a guide that doesnt want its name revealed could you ask it why for me please?
Thanks []

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quote:Originally posted by Nay
Please, do not fear these types of spirit - for it is this very fear which lowers your energy, and thus makes it possible for them to connect to you.

I agree that fear is one factor amongst many that negs do use against their victims.

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If you seek immediate resolve against these types of spirit, and cannot build up sufficient mind power at such short notice - then perhaps you may wish to visualise yourself surrounded by white light.

And another veiw (some of which does agree with the author) is this article by Robert Bruce: http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/robert/articles_18.htm
"First, please understand that I have extensive firsthand experience in this area, helping many people suffering various kinds of psychic and demonic attack; as well as coming under fire myself on countless occasions. I do not say what I am about to say in order to undermine your personal confidence in any way; but simply because you have posed the question. You also do not have to accept what I have to say; that being entirely your prerogative."

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Should one slip through a little crack caused by doubt (or something similar) - then just calmly announce that it must leave you alone - for in the Universe your wish and command stands!

Ahhh if only this were true []. The author quite frankly has obviously very little experience in this area.

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If and when a spirit visits you, please also check by asking them if they are from the light. Invariably they will state that they are. But you only need to ask them ONCE again - and the truth must be told.

Yet again more New Age myths that prove this author does not know what she is talking about. This whole "spirits can not lie twice" idea is total rubbish. I know this from experience, not because i've read it somewhere and is an unproven belief i hold.

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If they are not from the light then again merely send them packing, in a calm and poised manner - or (if you wish) advise them to go to the light.

These are the words of someone who has never had a serious neg problem. How does she propose you "send them packing"? Perhaps she should read about some of Robert Bruces' experiences and/or his PSD book. Although i do agree it would be better to stay calm.

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Never fight or antagonise such a spirit, for in reacting so you merely succeed in lowering your own vibrations and thus enabling a far easier access for this spirit. Attempt instead to send love to this spirit, for this act will raise your vibrations, to which the lesser spirit has no access.

Do you have that quote from Robert Bruce handy DK?

Hi James,

quote:Originally posted by James S
I had some time ago been visited by the avatar of the Spirit of Nature - the Green Lady, and she had stayed in contact with me "telepathically" and with a couple of face to face meetings.

For now would you mind going into more detail about what this "Green Lady" is, when you first had contact with her, does she have a name etc. I'm not quite sure i am following what you mean, is this something you experienced or something Mayatnik told you he knew about? Did this "Green Lady" tell you herself she wanted you to have a "Teacher Guide" before Mayatnik contacted you and then you got a message from him?

Have you posted about these experiences on this forum?

Thanks, i am just trying to get it into chronological order of how your experience unfolded. []

I will tell you that i have a particularly warm, soothing feeling at the back of my neck and part of my upper spine as i am writing this, something which i tend to associate with the possible prescence of a good spirit (it almost feels like i am having a healing session). I'm not sure as yet what meaning, if any, that may have as regards to this thread but thought i would mention it anyway because it started as i began to read your post.

quote:Originally posted by MAYATNIK

Mach One says:
What things do I need to do or keep in mind to progress toward readiness?
MAYA - back now says:
The first thing - most important - is to not try too hard..... and you really do try very hard.  It is actually much easier than you think.
Mach One says:
I do personally?
Mach One says:
I haven't really tried cuz I don't know what I'm doing lol
MAYA - back now says:
I know.  But you are searching.

The example above is where Mayatnik stated (probably through his guides) that Mach One was trying too hard. But Mach One replied that he wasnt even trying (which meant that Mayatnik or his guides got that completely wrong) and yet Mayatnik then sweeps the error aside by saying "I know" which is the opposite of what he said a few lines before and then leads on with saying "But you are searching".

These kind of techniques are used by fake psychics when doing a "cold reading" where they state something about someone and if it is wrong they then change their line of questioning.

Hi James!
         Ok firstly could you tell me a little about how you met your guide (or a link on the forums where you have done this) and how long she(?) has been with you etc?

A few questions;

1. How does you guide communicate with you (i.e. dreams, astral, an "inner voice", etc)?

2. What kind of being is your guide (i.e. has she(?) ever been human or incarnated physically anywhere etc.)

3. What is your guides purpose in making contact with you?

4. Does your guide have access to Metaphysical Knowledge that you do not, and how much so?

5. Does your guides name have a meaning and if so what is it?

6. Where is your guide located?

7. Is your guide there constantly or just when you call her(?)? (i am assuming a she because the name sounds feminine.)

Those will do for now and can be used as introductory questions for others also. Thanks for taking part []

quote:Originally posted by Orcher
MaCarthur why are you so eager to 'test' the UNKNOWN before it is KNOWN?

Its not about testing the "unknown" it is about testing a spirit that claims to be your spirit guide. If a stranger came up to you in the street claiming to be your long lost cousin would you just accept that without asking questions and immediately invite them into your house?

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Do you test every person you meet in your life when you try to make a friendship with it?
No. You don't.

Yes we do. Would you make friends with Saddam? When we meet people we automatically decide if we want their friendships by using our own judgement of what they are like. With spirits though it is different because there isnt as much to go on to decide what they are like as it would be meeting someone physically.

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You first idea was to first ¡§test¡¨ the Guide before you 'low your shelter'.
So what make your ¡§3-6 month test¡¨ more secures, then that one 'Mach one' was using by starting to actually learn who his guide was?

So let's see now.
You meet or have some contact with a spirit which you doubt to be a good guy or bad guy. And advice us to make the test you mention above (3-6 months test).

So you ask the spirit to leave you alone for about 4 moths? And in case the spirit is evil, it will make some excuse to not leave you alone. As you wrote:
'If you demand to break contact they will lose their life-support system you are currently providing them and they will do everything in their power to convince you that breaking contact with them is somehow wrong or (include a reason/explanation here)'

And in earlier comment you said:

'Then you obviously do not know how these negative spirits work. They are VERY VERY CLEVER. Much more intelligent than a lot of us humans i assure you'.
By a very simple calculation we can actually rephrase your conception as following:

The evil spirit is so 'VERY VERY CLEVER. Much more intelligent than a lot of us humans' at the point that you will never be able to fool it with a such of test as asking it to leave you away for 4 months, because it will know that this is your simple test, and the only thing it need to do is leaving you alone and come back 4 months later. And tadaaam! Suddenly the dinner is ready! And in this case, the spirit is very sure that you will provide them the 'life-support system' as you cal it, for a great long time. Because it succeed the test, didn't it?

I did not say it was the "one and only test", i said it was the first test i would use. If it did go then it would rule out various things that it could be i.e. an attached astral shell. It is a case of elimination of possibilities.

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Would they force you do bad things? Aren't you human enough to know what bad and good is? (Again this has nothing to do with how 'smart' you are)
For example: Do you really think that Edi or Fuzziwig will hurt someone so badly for no reason just because their guide has ordered them to do that? No they will not! The first thing they will do is to cross-examine their Guides for the reason they where ordered to. And of course there will be no any good reason to convince Edi or Fuzziwig to do that.

There are some people who are influenced by negs without even knowing it. But in this thread we are not talking about being told to do bad things by "guides". We are talking about testing these "beings" and the information they are providing.

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If you noticed that your spirit demanding you or trying persuade you to unpleasant things. The only thing you need to do is to discontinue your friendship with it.

That is easier said than done my friend. Once you have opened yourself up to a spirit and then find out it isnt a good one then sure, you will want rid of it wont you? Do you think getting rid of an attached neg is as easy as telling it to go away?

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It wasn't so hard, was it? You really don't need any energy Shield or any 'DBZ' Technique to defence your self with. And it doesn¡¦t mater how damn CLEVER they are, because the equation is simple. Be nice [], and they can't do anything to force your doing.

They can if they manage to possess you against your will. And there could also be other problems involved if it turns out to be a neg.

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And as an extra cream on the cake, it is great enough to know that you are invulnerable and has your own will to make your own choice no matter what other say. (Yes even God, because it was his own rule to have the free will)

I too, once thought i was invulnerable. A few major psychic attacks made me realise otherwise.

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You second opinion was 'avoid contacting spirits is in itself a very dangerous'.
What a shame! Do you really want to miss an opportunity like that? What if your Guide is a 'Good' spirit?

Of course you wont be missing an opportunity. You will have plenty of time to talk to spirits once you are dead.

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last but not least, to mention those Zetas and Pleiadians. Why their do existents need to be proved so much? Why are you so eager to test them?

Because i want to know if what they say is true or not.

[Hello Mayatnik, thankyou for your lengthy response, i will have a more detailed response to you when i get time. But for now i want to ask your guides about the information that was given to zetatalk.comAccording to the zetas the poleshift was to have happened last year but it obviously has not happened. Can you explain for me how the zetas could have got this information wrong?And for the record i have no fear of spirits. What i do have is a concern that you are teaching people to open up on the Astral using the pendulum and inviting "spirits" to come and communicate without any safeguards in place.edit: p.s. I will say that i am astounded at the way you are making excuses for the way your guides have lied to you in the past. This is one of the main ways to test a "spirit". I find it incredible that you think it is ok for a "guide" to lie to you because of the reasons given. Are you now going to teach that even if a "spirit" is found out to be lying it is still a good "spirit" and is only lying for reasons we probably do not know about? And have you taught this before on these forums or only after reading what i posted about catching them lying?John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.]

Hello Mayatnik,
              thankyou for your lengthy response, i will have a more detailed response to you when i get time. But for now i want to ask your guides about the information that was given to zetatalk.com

According to the zetas the poleshift was to have happened last year but it obviously has not happened. Can you explain for me how the zetas could have got this information wrong?

And for the record i have no fear of spirits. What i do have is a concern that you are teaching people to open up on the Astral using the pendulum and inviting "spirits" to come and communicate without any safeguards in place.

edit: p.s. I will say that i am astounded at the way you are making excuses for the way your guides have lied to you in the past. This is one of the main ways to test a "spirit". I find it incredible that you think it is ok for a "guide" to lie to you because of the reasons given. Are you now going to teach that even if a "spirit" is found out to be lying it is still a good "spirit" and is only lying for reasons we probably do not know about?

And have you taught this before on these forums or only after reading what i posted about catching them lying?

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

quote:Originally posted by Akensai

This would be true, would it not that they never asked you to belief anything or trust them, they have every right to hold things back, they never made the claim to tell you everything you wanted to know.

But if they claim to be bringing important epoch-changing (or life-changing) information to Humanity then surely it is only fair that we are allowed to ask for some verification that what they are telling us is true and that they can be trusted?

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And do you have proof against the zeta's that they have lied anywhere?

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(Most likely if what they say (poleshift etc.) doesn't happen they will fade out of my mind.)

Well according to zetatalk.com (i.e. Nancy) the poleshift was to happen in late May early June of 2003. But guess what? Nothing happened! [:O]

Have you taken a look at this site? http://www.skepticalmind.com/zetatalk.html

Well i guess what i meant was that i dont want to reveal how i will test the "spirit guides" until i get one step up to be tested. And i promise to be polite. []

I can't reveal my methods before the testing or it may not work. []
Do schools give their students the answers to exams before an exam?

quote:Zeta says: When we do not answer a 'test' like this, there is a purpose behind it, and we want to make it transparent that all guides work in this manner, they have to.

Uh oh. ding ding ding! You're out! Sorry but this is totally incorrect. Any good spirit will NOT mind being tested because they know (the good spirits) how easy it is for a bad spirit to deceive the unwary. Any spirit that refuses to be tested obviously has something to hide, regardless of whatever 'hidden' ("we can not tell you at this time") explanation they come up with. Games up folks, time to banish them negs.

quote:Originally posted by sain

if you do communicate with a spirit, how can you tell if it is good or bad if they can lie and decieve us?

Personally i think that contacting spirits is in itself a very dangerous activity because it is so hard to tell the difference because of the reasons i stated. My advice would be just dont do it.
There are, though, ways of evoking spirits into a "Triangle of Art" while you are in a protective Magic circle. And from there you question it. But this again is a specialist subject and takes a lot of training. The advice given by most Mystery Schools is to not even try to contact spirits until you have made contact with your Higher Self/Holy Guardian Angel.

Now i'm not saying that all spirits are bad, ive had contact with a couple that gave me healing. What i am saying though is that there seems to be no safeguards amongst channelers to decide what kind of spirit they are in contact with.

The main test i would try if you aleady have contact with a spirit is to tell it that you want it to leave and not contact you for a certain amount of time, say 3 months. Especially if you are actually "hearing" a voice. If it comes up with an excuse, any excuse, then i would be suspicious of its intentions.

To be honest there aren't many ways i have found to be able to tell the difference unless you can catch them in a lie or giving data that is obviously false. And what you have to remember is that if you open yourself up to a spirit it will more than likely know your every thought, which in itself makes it harder to test it because it will know what you are thinking of.

It may seem somehow cool to have a "spirit guide", which is only a fairly recent fad really, but if you learn to Astral Project why would you even need one?

If "the guides" of Mayatnik and Edi are prepared to be tested by me then we will see what happens. I wonder if they will though.

Mayatnik & Edi (and anyone else with a guide) will your guides allow themselves to be tested or not? What is the answer?

Dear Edi & Guides,

quote:Originally posted by Edi
McArthur,

I would like to suggest a different way of seeing things.

This is exactly what i am doing, suggesting a different way of seeing things. Are you prepared to do that?

(snips poor analogy)

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Channeling by itself is as dangerous as talking through a telephone.

So you, or your "guides", would have us believe. If that is so then why are there many sages who say it is a dangerous activity? It is no different than using a Ouija board.

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You might be disturbed by some things you may or may not not hear... I've been talking to spirits for quite some time now, and there's never been a single problem in this, the same applies to several other people I know closely.

Then you obviously do not know how these negative spirits work. They are VERY VERY CLEVER. Much more intelligent than a lot of us humans i assure you. They pick out certain human "contacts" as a "Recriuter" for further victims. Obviously these "contacts" of theirs wont have any negative problems because if they did it would immediately spoil the whole game and network of potential victims.

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Channeling needs training,

And what if you are training people to open themselves up to be fed on by negs? Have you even considered that?

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because the only area where a problem could possibly arise is in what you do with what you hear

False. This is where you are forgetting that there are negs out there that are perfectly able to pretend to be "good spirits". Your ignorance of this fact shows with your above statement.

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- this is why Mayatnik (and he has been channeling since 1995 every day often for hours

Yes ive read about how his guides kept him up late at night constantly talking to him. Ive BEEN THERE and learned some hard facts from it because i realized i was being vampirised. And after that i was threated to be killed and endured many psychic attacks from these supposedly friendly "spirit guides".

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and also teaching -

Teaching what though? As far as i can see he is teaching others how to make themselves vulnerable to these negs without even questioning or testing whether they may be beneficial.

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without any problems at all for himself or others),

That is the way negs are. If they can use you to recruit others to be victims then they certainly wont attack you. They may give you various "spiritual insights" (mostly nothing that is not know already- or even a load of disinformation a lot of the time).

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likewise myself, and others wo are working with the guides in that manner

Yes ive read about how you came to get your High Status with these "aliens". It feels good to have some kind of purpose and to be 'High Up' in the Heirarchy doesnt it? This is a usual, and much often used ploy by negs.

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- we verify everything, all the time. This is what we are here for.

OK, here is where i hold back my skepticism and will ask various questions to "Verify" what you are teaching to others is correct. Am i such a bad person for expecting this? Will your guides answer my questions?

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We encourage people to explore everything that is presented with lots of questioning, like Mayatnik ALWAYS did in over 35,000 solid hours of conversation with many guides.

What you dont realise is that negs do this to MANY people ALL THE TIME. Those 35,000 hours were spent with him giving his full attention (i.e. energy) to vampiric entities whose sole aim is to feed off humans and possibly use the gullable to recruit more.

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I'm talking about an average 12 solid hours a day of deep conversation, asking lots of questions to build firm foundations for higher perspectives each time, with common sense and in an intuitive manner.

Good, ok. Then im sure these entities will be able to answer my very searching questions on subjects such as the Kabbalah and other mystical systems wont they?

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This is how Mayatnik, myself, and many others work with the guides, on a constant basis,

May i ask what safeguards or tests you used to assertain that these beings you are in contact with are of a positive nature? Bearing in mind that negs are VERY CLEVER and good liars? Did you even bother to test them at all?? From what i have read it doesnt seem as though you have.

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with no 'problems' at all -

I bet you will have a problem if you demand that they not contact you for 6 months. Try it and see. But i doubt you will for 2 reasons. 1) If you demand to break contact they will lose their life-support system you are currently providing them and they will do everything in their power to convince you that breaking contact with them is somehow wrong or (include a reason/explanation here). 2) You yourselves dont want to lose the self-importance that having a guide brings. I know what i said sounds very harsh and im sorry, but i have decided this is not the time to be pulling punches when you are recruiting people on here to be hosts to negs.

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the only safeguard you need is common sense and intuition,

This is a load of crap and the worst advice regarding spirits ive ever seen. When dealing with spirits you need to know a lot MORE than this because of the very tricky nature of a lot of spirits that just want to feed off your life force.

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and this is what we pass on for people to carefully apply in their communications with the guides at all times, without exception (as was made clear in the transcript by Mayatnik).

Im sorry but i will say this again. NOWHERE did Mayatnik give the extremely important advice that you should ALWAYS test your spirits. All i saw was his advice to just open up to all and sundry on the Astral Plane without even questioning whether what they were contacting was for their own benefit or not. THIS IS BAD TEACHING AND A VERY DANGERIOUS DOCTRINE. I put those in capitals because i know through experience (and a LOT of suffering) that this is true.

So are your guides prepared to be tested and answer some of my questions or not? I say here and now to all reading this that if these "spirits" refuse to be tested then they are to be ignored and banished as any neg should be.

I doubt they will offer themselves to be tested by me though because most negs know i can recognize their games fairly quickly.

Oh, and as a side note, i myself dont feel as though i am being negative, i am fighting for the light and what my experiences have taught me over the years. If you feel this post is negative then please say so. But i will then ask you who is the one feeling the negativity: me or you?

I would just like to say here that this type of 'opening up' to 'spirits' has always been advised against in various spiritual and religious traditions because of the dangers involved. What i found disturbing in the above posts is that nowhere was this person told he should test these spirits (if that is even what he contacted).

Opening oneself up to channeling of spirits without at least learning the basics of sheilding techniques etc is extremely dangerous and many have been deceived by bad spirits pretending to be good ones. Its just not easy to tell which is good or bad because spirits can tell lies just like humans can.

Take this post as you like but what i am saying comes from direct experience in this area for quite some time. And saying that we all have Zeta guides is ringing alarm bells for me personally that what you people are in contact with is feeding you with disinformation.

If your guides would like to help me overcome my suspicions of them being negs then please ask them if they will be prepared to answer some questions i may have for them. I know through experience that any good spirit will not mind being tested. The ones who dont like being tested should not be trusted and a banishment done immediately.

My first question would be are these the same beings that are being channelled by zetatalk.com?

In Light

McArthur

quote:Originally posted by volcomstone


the president that succeeds bush (assuming bush doesn't win the next election) will most likely be the anti-christ

Huh? I thought it was obvious to everyone that Bush is the Anti-Christ? []

Mustardseed i just wanted to say i really enjoyed this thread and hope you keep posting. []

The year 2013 is going to be a very interesting year for one main reason. All those who believed in this 2012 stuff are going to have to do some serious thinking about what they choose to believe in when nothing happens.
It will be like a huge mass Belief-system cleanse for the whole New Age industry. []

This pole shift rubbish has been in New Age circles for years. Someone predicts a date, it doesnt happen, they then prdict another date, it doesnt happen, ad infinitum.

And this Aaron dude wishes to reestablish the rein of demons on the Earth...to save us (he also advocates forced sterilization of all persons with disabilities and IQ's lower than 100). Lovely.

Another flash-in-the-pan self styled New Age maniac that will be forgotton.