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thanks a lot for the replies Dragen..

the accent thing was really weird... normally my inner "voice" just kind of sounds like me... but it sounded completely french, and I was aware of this, yet it kept sounding that way.

lol... umm...

I think my arms were just going numb becuase of poor circulation to them, and that I believe I may have had my fists slightly clenched, though I didn't realize that until I got bored and rolled over and started the whole process over again.

I have so much experience with projecting at night though, you would think that since I've done it before it should be really easy to get back to that state, but I can't.

There comes a point when I'm aware of my body but I can also kind of project my "body" elsewhere, into the blackness of my eyelids, and like iamgine I'm holding onto something and pulling on it really hard, and it'll get me out.

Or I can ask someone for help.

But I don't know how to get into that state voluntarily... I guess it's a trance? It doesn't always really feel like 100% paralysis though... sometimes it's like I bypass paralysis altogether and just leave... but of course I had just been sleeping for a while.

okay...

so I counted backwards from 50 and did some deep breathing, got relaxed.... tried duality, but I thought that by continuing it it would promote random thoughts, so instead I just did a simple mantra "i will astrally project"

i did it over and over again

after a while, the words disconstruct and jumble up and don't make sense, and I go into the hypnagogic state, I might imagine a brief scene or see a picture, then BAM mantra is back to normal and I'm focused, for a little while, maybe 30 seconds, until I slip back into the hypnagogic state...

now this was working great, becuase i wasn't tired when I came out of it, yet I was able to slip in and out and in and out....

after a while there was this one time when I suddenly slipped backed into consciousness that I felt my arms go completely numb.. they weren't paralyzed however, just... numb....

now... I know that if I can stay in the hypnagogic state long enough, when I snap out of it, my body could be completely asleep... and I think this about the ONLY way I will ever get to body asleep/mind awake..

I need to stay in that chaotic random hypnagogic state for as long as possible before I realize what I'm doing and my mantra snaps back in....

but how do I do this?

Are you all like that? Or is your mind 100% focused the entire time and your body just magically drifts to sleep? It seems the only way I can trick it into sleeping is by actually falling asleep, only, keeping enough awareness that I snap out of it after a little while...

It's so hard though... I remember thinking "i need to stay in that longer" then I imagined I was looking at posts and I'd start scrolling down and down and down and down, and this was probably the longest I stayed in the state, but as soon as I really realized what was happening I snapped back into the mantra....


See... I think I'm only entering alpha waves.. then jumping back into low beta, hence not fully paralyzed....

So..... how in the world do I take control of this hypnagogic state? Do I just have to keep trying over and over again ? Because I'm pretty familiar with that state and all, I just can't control it and if I focus I'm back alert. I have to let my thoughts be hijacked... but... the only way I can seem to do that is if I'm realy tired, and then I just completely fall asleep... and I can't maintain a mantra in those circumstances.

So.... I don't know what to do.

Oh yeah and at one point my mantra developed a French accent lol... I was kind of worried that when I came out of it I'd be speaking with a French accent forever.

my most common theme right now is sleeping

and/or people doing unpleasant things to me while sleeping/paralyzed...

to bump this ....

i've been "there" twice now, both bad experiences (well not bad, but not good)

a few days ago, I ended up there and some guy took me in the pyramid... it was cool at first but we started encountering monsters, which wasn't a big deal, until i let my mind get the best of me and i started worrying about giant spiders... so... the next room we enter sure enough, there's one there... i set it on fire but nothing is happening to it, so i freak out and wake myself up, only to feel giant spider legs on top of me, so i wake myself up again, for real that time.

umm... then one night i was imagining the island while in trance and thought about the dock, all of a sudden the dock was floating before me and I stepped onto it, then I felt a floating sensation and started exiting my body involuntarily, I was being rapidly pulled out the window and it felt really cool... there was a gray auraed something in my room near my lamp..... I though to myself "whoah" and woke up :/

Last night, similar thing, envisioned the island, started involuntarily exiting my body, was drawn out the other window, flew for a very long time through these strange and cool looking places... and eventually ended up at an island, though it wasn't the right island, but it looked it had a grey rock type pyramid...

there were monsters in the water, and at this point i gained control of my body and flew over to the island, only to fall into the water and get attacked

this didn't bother me and i continued trying to get into the island but i woke up...

?

Why are bad things happening when I try to go here?

i tend to always hear doors slamming when i'm falling asleep

but it's weird because i'm not really that out of it yet, so i wouldn't think i should be hallucinating, but it can't always be real can it?

I don't know.

I woke up last night, opened my eyes, and saw two people as clear as day standing in my room for a fraction of a second, then they disappeared... that also wouldn't seem like a normal hallucination becuase i had already rolled over and my mind was kind of alert.. i'm almost positive this was not just dreaming about being awake...

then later I had someone pull me out of my body last night.. myself... it was weird... I was face to face with myself and I'm like "who are you" and I said "my higher self" simultaneously while he was saying "your higher self"

He didn't teach me anything though, and I woke up before we went out the window.

how many of you can fly really fast?

Two nights ago I drove my uncles truck through the air and I was going REALLY fast, faster than I'd ever gone before, though it was hard to not hit buildings and stuff...

but... last night I had a jetpack somehow and I forced it past 100 mph but I was just really slowly rolling down the road...

is there any key to flying fast or is it just really hard to do in certain types of dreams?

I haven't really figured that one out yet.

you know, i wouldn't mind about the waking up so much if my dreams were actually OVER when I wake up, instead of in the middle...

becuase there are only so many times when you can roll over and pull yourself right back into the dream you left off in....  you know

i shouldn't be sleeping 12 hours a day I suppose and I wouldn't have that problem, since up until about 9 a.m. i can pretty easily get back into any dream that may have been disrupted...

but dreams are kind of addictive lol... if I could consciously AP or phase or dream or remote view I'd probably spend all my time disconnected from this reality....

but this reality isn't so great anyway !


how are you building a nova dreamer and is it hard to do?

i'm going to make a guess and say that your problem is that you sleep too well

if you can wake up and not remember a thing... wow... what i would give for that to happen once and a while...

me, I wake up after every dream, I wake up during the middle of dreams, wake wake wake wake wake wake wake...

basically, I don't think I ever hit deep sleep, I mean... the last time I rememebr laying down to bed and instantaneously waking up in the morning, no dreams, nothing, just REST and PEACE and waking up feeling whole and energized... was 2 years ago... and that was a once in a lifetime type event, I was like "whoah!"

so...

develop a sleeping disorder?

I wake up so much it isn't funny, and I'll often times dream about waking up so much that I'll often times get ticked that I'm not dreaming anymore, only to actually still be in a dream and not realize it (yes I do reality checks with my clock, but it's tiring to do them over and over again)

So it's like... well... I don't know what to say, a nova dreamer would work... I basically don't need one because once REM sleep tends to end I wake up, so it's usually pretty easy to phase back into a dream or OBE shortly after waking...

Unless I wake up at 3-4 a.m. like I have been and can't get back to sleep for 2 solid hours of lying in bed trying.

I guess it's possible I go into deep sleep though and just dream during deep sleep? Becuase you'd think I'd hit some sort of NREM rebound frequently and just black out and not dream once or twice a week.....

Just try and set your alarm to wake you up 3 times a night at times you are positive you'll be sleeping.

Say if you sleep from midnight to 6 undisturbed.... set it for 2 and set it for 4.

?

That'd be my advise, aside from obtaining reversed insomnia (can't remember the proper name for it).

hmmm

can anyone find me a website (non pornographic/pictorial would be ideal) that gives the gist of the technique that the book touches on (for men)?

and i'm assuming the multiple thing works for masturbation, not just sex?

Otherwise I'm out of luck and will be for quite some time....

:/

Because it sounds like it might be worth a try just for a different approach to things, and if it doesn't work well, hey, I've learned something new to keep myself busy. []

well I haven't looked for Steve too much, I'm guessing he's gone, though I did attempt to give him free will when I created him, with restrictions on that he is not to hurt others unless they are hurting me or I tell him to.

Umm....

So anyway two nights ago I attempted to go to astral pulse island again, and I met some guy, I don't know who, or what he looked like, but he took me inside the pyramid, which was both cool and creepy at the same time.

I encountered this armed skeleton much like something out of an MMORPG, and he threw a knife and axe at me, both hitting my leg.... so I somehow conjured up an axe and chucked it at him and it broke him into pieces...

we went deeper into the pyramid and there goes my arachnaphobia insintct that being in dark enclosed spaces and/or caves is not good and there might be giant spiders...

so sure enough, we encountered one... well.. I wasn't sure what to do, it was just sitting there on a fake looking web, and I was determined to not be afraid of it... I said something and waved my hands and shot fire at it and such, and it was burning, just kind of sitting there.... but it wasn't dying (probably because I was nervous) and I was afraid there were going to be more spiders deeper in so I aborted the dream and forced myself awake, only I ended up in paralysis and felt spider legs on me, which I knew wasn't real and forced myself fully awake....



stupid spiders... oh yeah one more thing while the skeleton was falling apart some random wolf looking creature ran up and devoured it, it seemed like he was on my side, but he disappeared.

i believe we experience them

case in point:

i started floating up out of my body last night and was being drawn out my window, my destination was astral pulse island and I had already envisioned it in my head and was somehow being sucked toward it rather than just phasing

well, I thought to myself "whoah" as I spontaneously started floating up out of my bed and backwards toward the window, no sooner than I thought that, I woke up.

Not into paralysis, I was awake... and moving my body...

now how could it be that a split consciouness could hav occurred if I so directly transitioned from being awake, to floating, to being awake again?

How could that be a fake memory? Even if it was, I perceived it all and experienced it all as if it were real, thus making it no less real than any ordinary daily activity.

So like, I remember typing the above paragraph, but maybe I didn't really do it and someone else or some double did? Does that matter? I still remember doing it first hand...

So what does it matter? If you remember doing something very vividly, it might as well have really happened, and there is no way to know otherwise, right?

carrot was my first thought, but i knew that was probably the thought they wanted, so i said brussel sprouts...

plus i wasn't sure if a carrot qualified as a vegetable, for some reason.

that's pretty sweet man..

so all you have to do is prop some tin foil on top of something?

does it have to be tin foil?

sometimes when i'll set a cd down on a flat surface it'll go sliding all crazily a few inches...

is that some kind of involuntary telekenesis or is there a scientific explanation for it? Like setting it down in such a way that it creates an air pocket beneath it or something?

It's really weird becuase once a friend did it 2 or 3 times in a row then she couldn't anymore, and I couldn't do it.. then one day it happened to me on accident at home and I could only get it to happen a few times (i think)...?

I feel disconnected from everything a lot actually

at the a perfect circle concert thursday I all of a sudden felt that way and I was so scared that I was going to "wake up" into a different reality and miss the concert... I wanted to experiment with the feeling so badly, to see if I could do anything or push myself somewhere else, but I didn't want to miss the show.

Sadly the only times I ever feel that way are when I'm in the presence of other people and don't have opportunity to meditate or try to jump in the air and stay there, etc....

anyway

Beavis:
"You cant do those things in most dreams either."
I'd wager at least 25-75% of my dreams are lucid, which laregely depends on whether or not I intend to have them or not. I can have them every night sometimes.. usually multiples each night.

So yes, I can.

well I'm no expert... or even intermediate...

but... maybe you have some really bad physical problems that your body is trying to sort out? Or, really bad energy flow/circulation problems?

Sometimes when I do energy work (which I don't do a lot becuase I'm lazy and it's hard to focus for so long, usually) I'll get a lot of pain in certain areas and it almost feels like a blockage is going on.. and I just keep sending energy to that area and trying to force it through as much as possible... if the pain doesn't stop I try to cease energy flow to it and work on something else...

but I remember once having really tight muscle cramp type feelings in my right arm after having begun energy work through the arm areas... so...

it could be like you have a blocked chakra or something, or you could maybe have some physical problems that your body is trying to remedy while sleeping?

I'm not sure... my arm was hurting yesterday though for no reaosn, though it felt fine when doing energy work last night.


Is the kundalini circuit or whatever through your spine? Becuase I heard you shouldn't activiate it until you are very experienced, yet when I just focus on my spine for more than a few seconds I feel a spark and I feel mild (or sometimes intense) electricity type feeings going up my entire spine...?

That may be your problem too if it is indeed dangerous to prematurely activiate the kundalini area or whatever it is it's called (i'm not sure something like that could be dangerous or though, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me)

any halfway decent psychologist will realize that spiritual/religious/cultural beliefs are not reason to deem someone "crazy" unless they interfere/bother the person and they think he may be a threat to himself or others.

and many people we would deem "crazy" are highly respected in other cultures, and in the past were in our own.

so...

having said that, i hate how they hand pills out like they are candy... I mean.... THEY JUST GUESS that you have a chemical imbalance... WELL WHAT IF YOU DON'T? Isn't there some way to test that? I mean, it's crazy, if you give someone with a normal brain anti depressants you are going to screw up his brain chemistry....

and those things are hell to quit... I know from experience, I stopped taking mine (without them knowing) after I got sick of the side effects and how they constantly wanted to up my dosage all the time because the pills weren't making me happy (i wonder why...)....

At one point I remember my dosage quadrupling within a one month period... or maybe just tripling.. I can't remember too well... but I know that I got sick of it and weaned myself off them... which was living hell...

Constantly feeling like you're gonna pass out for a solid month... very cold, during the summer... extremely weak... horrible horrible horrible nightmares....

(one involuntary OBE with some bright shimmery guy in my room, that was kind of cool)

Stay off medication without getting your brain tested to see that there are actually chemical problems going on, and even then, be leary of it.

Pills aren't going to fix things, it is ultimately your own resopnsibility to decide to get better.
(at least probably 99% of the time)

last night i woke up into partial paralysis and started focusing on my inner eye visions.. they formed a strange tunnel... and I reached out with my astral arms (as in, pulled them out of my body) and started grabbing onto the walls of these tunnels to pull myself deeper and deeper through...

walls started forming around me.... and i was pulling myself into a dark somewhat sinister looking kind of occult type library...

poof

i'm inside... so... i think "hey... lets look up civil war and see if that John Titor guy was full of crap" so I grab a W book and look up "war" but there is no index for "war, civil" and in fact, nothing I'm reading is making any sense

(why would it? It's a creation of my mind)

So I asked this guy about it... he drew this diagram on a chalkboard starting with the year 1999... and he had this upward rising line graph... which charts wars we get into.

He said we would definitely have another civil war, and he said it would be in I think, 2034... then he later said 2072, and wrote 2072 on the board... and then when I looked again it was 2027 and I asked him to confirm that this should say 2072 and he said "yeah, 2072" so I repeated that over and over in my head and woke myself up and wrote that date down.

Not that I'll probably be alive then... I asked him about terrorism and he said there will be one more big attack, I asked him about WMD and he said no... and something about a battering ram....

i went back to that library again, and well it was much more dream like than before.... some people I knew were in it and they had some sort of fishing pole looking contraption that I ended up getting hooked on, which hurt... and I'm like "wait... shouldn't I be in my astral body? Why am I stuck on this hook?" I tore it out of my skin, which also hurt...

Being the lonely person I am.. I thought.. "maybe I can find a good looking chick I'm meant to hook up with in one of these books so I can go looking for her" so I looked for a book on love and couldn't find one, and asked some girl there who seemed to be a sort of librarian.. she lectured me about something and didn't want to help, she grabbed another book for me instead and told me to read it.. and I wish I could remember what the book was called, but maybe it was just gibberish... I remember what the cover looked like though, light blue like these forums with three words on it..

Inside it was just cluttered nonsense, and I asked her how I'm supposed to read this, she said "you don't READ it, you read it, just look at it briefly." so I did that, and nothing happened, and I'm like "so just flip through all the pages?" and she's like "no.... just... look at it and perceive it" and I tried, nothing really  happened...

I exited the library and went back to my paralyzed body and stepped out of it, into what I'd call a semi accurate version of my room, only it was extremely dark.. I turned on a light that wasn't there, which did nothing for the brightness of the room.

Well anyway I went outside and asked my guide (though I don't think I have a guide at this point) for info on women that I might be meant to be with or that would be compatible with me... nothing happened...

I then tried to go to astral pulse island... which... well.. I'm not sure I succeeded.



I'm unconvinced that any of this stuff is real as of this far.

based upon descriptions of the lower realms i may have danced with them a few times... i've been to some screwed up places.... but not really bad...

"have trouble controlling my thoughts at times and I'm afriad that if I'm in an OBE that a thought about a spider or something may fly in my head and then there one appears."

Well... I too fear that... and sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't... it kind of depends on just what kind of environment you are in... and whether you BELIEVE it will happen or not...

I mean, whenever I used to go flying I would often times hit a giant spider web, and I'd freak the hell out and instantly wake myself up... I hated this, and so everytime I flew I'd be like "wow this is going good....." then I'd think about spiders.... SNAP.... *WAKE UP!!!*....

Your best bet is to confront those fears, though... but it's easier said than done... you know?

For every bad thought you have try to instantly cancel it out with a positive thought "What if there's a huge spider around the corner?" "No, there are no spiders around here, and if there are I can battle them off and it's nothing to worry about." (even though you might not believe that, it helps to say it anyway)

If you're lucid it might also help to try to create a temporary guardian of sorts that can defend you.... I did this once by creating "Steve the Bear" I gave him a chaingun... and rode him around battling things, it was quite fun and it takes some of the nervousness off knowing you've got yourself and a kickass guardian you just made to protect you.

It can be kind of hard to make them though, I guess it depends on what state of mind you are in or how much energy you have, or what type of dream or level of projection it is... or something.

the only way i can sleep is on my sides

even though it screws my neck up

i just can't fall asleep on my back, i fall in and out of consciousness too much and possibly have apnea while doing so....

and lots of sleep paralysis, though, that can be used to induce projecting.

i have an 11 story to tell.. i see 11:11 and 9:11 off and on a lot, sometimes it seems significant, and sometimes it seems like i'm looking for it

one week i had seen 9:11 every single night.. and was getting 11:11 a lot too... i was talking to someone on aim about this and deja vu, and she said it isn't deja vu

i insisted it was, and went to m-w.com to look up the proper definition for deja vu, one of them being something like "something disturbingly familiar" and something about repetition (i think) at any rate, it casues feelings of deja vu in me.

so, as I went to that site, I saw this:
www.angelfire.com/hiphop3/holyreality/eleven.GIF

kinda of eery... so i mentioned that to her, and she didn't think anything of it, so I asked "what if you were on aim and noticed someone had been on for 11 days and 11 hours?" and anyways... the very next day, I log onto aim, mouse over a friend, and he has been on 1 day and 11 hours... i was weirded out and took a pic of that as well, but i lost it before saving it.

the 11s have pretty much subsided right now though.

and since we're talking about 11, listen to "Jimmy" by Tool.... it's great....

whenever i get hypnagogic images i am always so out of it that i never tend to remember them, OR I completely wake up and can't fall back asleep...

is there a way to maintain awareness while in that state so you can be lucid when you finally drift off into a dream?

Is it just me, or is jumping off of a tall building and letting yourself hit the ground really fun?

Like this one time I went lucid, and I'd just go up in this building and jump off of it over and over again, and people were looking at me strangely.

At first I had a parachute and for some reason I'd be at that moment a few seconds before landing for an extremely long time...

Then I decided, well... let's not open the parachute.... thump, I'm laying on the ground, get up, get in an elevator, and go back up to do it again.

Lol... that was a fun dream.. I think I tried to fly to the top of the building but I was trapped inside some sort of dome and had to use the elevator to get out.

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Okay, to condense everything I just said

Patriot Act I: detaining non us citizens
Patriot Act II: detaining ANYONE they want

it did not pass due to a copy of it being leaked to the public.

however i'd say about 80% of it was tacked into the VICTORY act, which will be voted upon sometime soon, if it hasn't already

some of the bovine excrement in it includes:
you can be declared a drug dealer if you have greater than $100 in cash on you at any time.
maximum sentences for first time drug offenders
lots of stuff against offshore banking and tax evasion...

I don't think the detaining all citizens part was in there though.. I hope not....

mehhh anyway, what did your friend say about "bomb"s that they found was such a threat to national security? This one girl at my school treatened to "dirty bomb" a telemarketer that wouldn't leave her alone and the next day she got called up by the FBI, lol.... but other than actually MAKING threats.... I don't see how they have the resources or patience to hassle all these people on here that joke about bombs now and then.

-holy reality, "BOMB"
(don't interrogate me! i'm sorry...)

Oh yes, and Salvia.. I want some.

i think my state cracked down on those kind of stores for some reason...

which is ridiculous... are you going to outlaw common pipes too? How about coke cans? They can be used to smoke weed....

But, like, what category would those shops be in under the yellow pages or something, what would you search for?

quote:Originally posted by Adkha

the stupid believe that the thing you believe in is the only right thing

So you're saying becuase you have views other than societies, that you are wrong? I think that's what you're saying but I'm not sure.....

If so, I have news for you, an "evolved" (or smart) being would realize the fuitlity in conforming to the whims of his society.

Society, for example, used to enjoy lynching certain folks. Society still hates gays.

A large chunk of society thinks it is acceptable to scare people into following their religions by threatening eternal damnation upon them, and that it is good to go to different cultures, tell them they are 100% wrong, and "convert" them.

A large chunk of society says you deserve to be locked up for a very long time for choose to partake in enjoying certain naturally growing plants, but that it's okay to enjoy certain OTHER naturally growing plants (i.e... tobacco use [addictive both physically and mentally] is far better than marijuana use [only psychologically addictive, with huge medicinal benefit, and less needs to be smoked to feel satisifed])

And then there are societies where it's the good thing to do to blow yourself up (now don't read this as stereotyping, i'm just saying there are a lot of terrorists/martyrs out there, and they form a sort of society, if you will, not that all muslims/arabs are like that)

So... no... there is nothing wrong with thinking your beliefs are correct and that they should be followed and that those of your society should be disregarded.

I for example, am not going to go shoving my religion (not that I have one per se) down people's throats. I am not going to discriminate towards gays. I am not going to severely punish anyone that I see smoking the herb, nor turn them in.

I am however, going to abide by the select few rules that MOST societies share in common, such as don't harm each other in any way shape or form.

Really that's all you need to do when it comes down to it, don't harm others. If you're doing something and it doesn't harm someone, chances are it's an okay thing to do, despite what society says.

Basically it's much better to develop your own code of morals rather than stopping at the society level of thinking.

I can't remember the stages of moral reasoning, but the first level is based upon punishment "i shouldn't do this because i could get caught" it moves on up to "i shouldn't do this becuase my country says so" and then "i shouldn't do this becuase I feel that it is wrong, or I should do this regardless of the laws because I feel it is right."

being the highest level....

we also have to account for the fact that our moral systems are largely determined and programmed by society to begin with though, the whole no free will argument.... though...

but anyway I'd venture to say most sentient beings probably have societies, and the higher they advance in intelligence the more acceptable the sociteies are, versus our primitive violent and oppressive societies.