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I've never tried to control the weather using any psychic/magic type abilities (well, not exactly), but I know it is possible to affect it using various devices. The most effective and simple is the cloudbuster, as originally developed by wilhelm reich. However, its use is not recommended for this reason http://www.keelynet.com/ecology/cloudbst.htm
Gives a good run-through of the potentially disastrous consequences of radically changing weather patterns - sorry Kodemaster, thats already been done, and is not a good plan!!
But I dont think this is such a problem for a technologically unassisted practitioner, as any effects will likely be considerably more limited. A proper understanding of the local ecology being recommended though, in finely string areas (I dont think it would be such an issue here in the UK).

Rob

ROFLMAO!!!! Thats a good one [][][]

quote:Oh, and the upturned cross is a symbol of defying christianity, nothing more.

Sooooo, you are agreeing with me, that reversing a symbol is to defy the original idea that symbol represented??!

quote:The reversed pentagram used for satanism, is circa about 1966 by the first church of satan, in this case it represnts the base material over the spiritual

I though the mention of an upturned pentegram might draw comment, I know its a dodgy one. However, again, you only seem to be agreeing with me that people reverse symbols to produce their opposites, irrespective of the true depth of their magical aspirations.
Anton Lavey was a bit of an egotistic fool, but he had some interesting ideas. What came from the COS after their big split was even more interesting.

quote:one should invoke the devil doing the headstand! The devil REALLY gets excited when he finds people upside down instead of the USUAL right side up.

Oi, are you taking the mick??! LOL!!!
Hey, have you seen some of the asanas Crowley used to recommend?? Like standing on one leg with the other held in the crook, with your eyes closed and one finger on your nose sort of thing [:O]. Quite hilarious! I couldnt hold that position for one minute, let alone hours!! The guy certainly had some sense of humour [8D]

peace
Rob

Yeah - with scientific theories, its a good quote you read. I am heavily into researching and doing stuff in edge science I guess you could call it, like radically new devices and theories etc. Yup, sometimes people just dont want to know.
Quote from a page provided on another discussion:

"The reason why some of these academics take this so personally is that they have the most to lose. The basis of their job, or their own identity, and their value to society and the whole basis of everything they thought they knew about history becomes threatened if it is proved that what they have been teaching is false"

Its ironic that acedemics in theory have the most open of minds....

quote:Only planet of choice? What's that mean?

Its one of a series of new-agey books, Uri Gellar was roped into the events. One memorable bit was when the "higher life form aliens" were calling Henry Kissinger their "messenger of light" whereas now we know he is a evil f**k head, and billed by many as an agent the new world order crowd. Makes you wonder...

quote:This foil cross, each arm is one cm long, but are they also one cm wide? I suppose it doesn't really matter, now that I think of it.

To be honest the initial specifications I gave were off the top of my head, based up what I remember making when I had the proper instructions. I dont think it matters too much, but if I remember right the width (1cm) of each of the arms was slightly greater than their height (probably 0.5cm).

quote:That was my first attempt at using the "quote" utility that I see everyone using so much. Hope it works out when I click "post".

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quote:Congrats []

quote:I also have a friend that's worked with Uri Gellar, but we haven't been in contact with eachother and I'm really bad about keeping emal conversations going for more than a week

quote:Sounds like a skill worth working on. I always have a million things like that I'm working on at once, though, and I never get very good at any one thing

LOL same [] - on both counts! But the way I see it, I am young (oh look same age!) so I have plenty of time to specialise later. Right now, I read and try what interests at the time.

quote:Sprouting a seed. This interests me more than bending spoons. I work with plants a lot. Do you remember the name of his biography? I'll google it in a minute and probably find out just fine. I love biograpies."

If you check his website there's quite a lot of info there if I remember right. But, make sure you steer WELL CLEAR of all the "only planet of choice" crap out there (not on his site but hey). Its total BS [xx(]
Yeah the sprouting seeds - pretty funky, I sure wouldn't mind seeing that too.

quote:Something that you can show a scientist and he'll say, "Huh? Oh, I know! I'm hallucinating! What did you put in my water, you little con artist!" Lol.

Hehehe.....you joke but......cnce I saw a negative entity thats attached to me and my dad in my room at night, standing at the bottom of my bed. My dad had been having nightmares that night, then I saw this thing at 2 in the morning, did some banishing stuff and similar, and went to sleep in another room. After that, my dad, who had been having a bad night anyway, then he started having dreams about me becoming possessed and nearly switched beds himself. Next day I told him about this, and he dismissed his dreams as a "coicidence" and my seeing this entity as "food poisening" even though I'd been eating with the family for weeks by then, had absolutely no symptoms of food poisening, and have never hallucinated in my life (even in situations when I really was poisened)!!!! Its INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway, thats what the test was designed for - evidence and proof of the energy body. Romero (RB's mate) and a load of his buddies decided to get together and invite some serious scientific "skeptics" to participate in some tests. Initially they said the spinning could be caused by warm air rising, so they enclosed the foil cross and it still worked. Another test/demonstration they did was to have a skeptic pull on a forcemeter, measure the force, then have an energy master suck out loooooaads of the fellas energy through the solar plexus, then retest him. Obviously, second time round, he managed to pull considerably less force, but that could have been due to tiredness so the energy bloke gave the skeptic his energy back and did a 3rd pull test, which came out at practically the same value as the first time. Pretty funky!

quote:One thing, though. You could sucessfully do something in a lab, on the street, on TV, and in the houses of every person in the world, and it will still not be a commonly accepted thing. It's just a curiousity that people forget about the next day. I find this to be very frustrating.

Man, I could rant for ages on that one! But I've learned that if someone will never change their way of thinking its usually not worth even trying. If there is some chance, I'll present a few key facts and let them make up their own minds. But its still pretty saddening to watch them go so vigourously into denial, like with my dad in above example. He's usualy an intelligent guy, but it seems to me that where beliefs and procenceptions are concerned, 95% of our populations are living in the dark ages. Gggrr indeed!!

Rob

quote:Next it started to sway back and forth, as if it was travelling about four meters one way, then four the other way

As it did so, did it descend with each sway? Like a falling leaf?

"Why do most UFO stories follow the consumption of alcohol? "

Or when people or outside smoking. Probably cos thats the only time they are looking and paying attention []

Rob

HHmm well perhaps, but it is fairly standard dark magic (& demonic) procedure to reverse sacred symbols/names to produce their evil opposite. The upturned pentagram is the best know, with the base world presiding over the spiritual. Also upturned christian crosses - and speaking of kabbalah, isn't the same done to names of the spheres to produce their klippotic opposites? (not sure about that, anyone care to correct me?).
Aryan - you mentioned the direction of spin. The non-reversed form (is also a symbol of a spinning chakra in one configuration), going clockwise, is the positive direction. Reversing this flips polarity to negative.
Guys, all this seems far too coincidental to me!!

As to what it then represents/designates, well traditionally the energy forms surrounding any symbol are built up over time by humanity. If hitler were to take the non-reversed it would still be a symbol for all the positives mentioned by others, but by reversing it hitlers dark associates could pour all their negative energies into the symbol without worrying about the metaphysical "clash" it would cause. And since we are talking about opposites I imagine reversing it would seem quite fitting to them.

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Rob

Ahhh that better, the answers to the questions poised on the other page and a very good article! From the washington post no less, wow cool. I heard from a friend a while back about quantum physicists discussing their work with the dalai lama and him making suggestions, peeked my interest it did. Cheers for that! Got any more??!! Hehe I'll chase up the names tomorrow.

You know, all of this (magnetic stuff) would suggest that magnets could be used over moles and other such blemishes in a similar way to RB's mole removal with ball point pen. Well guess what!! About 2 months ago now I ordered a load of ceramic rare earth magnets, including a lot of very small ones (well they never turned up so my order has been reshipped - I am now keeping my fingers crossed I get 2 orders through one of these days!!). Methinks some vigorous testing needs to be done.
I cant remember which polarity is supposed to be best for healing, will have to check my books when back around my usual home. But with respect to how various parts of the body are said to be positive or negative (eg hermetics, maybe eastern chi systems?) what I now have to decide is whether to apply + to +, or - to +. Perhaps I will test both.
Hey, this could be fruitful!

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Rob

Fair enough - fyi mcarthur who can be found here sometimes wrote once about a neg he's been battling which was able to manipulate a very sensitive magnetic field (change?) meter. Similar instuments are used by ghost hunters.

That link you provided - thanks! - but I can only find pages on the site where it talks about studies which "will be done" rather than giving full details of studies which have been done. Am I missing something?!

cheers

Rob

quote:My advice is, be strong in this bad phase, because my experience tells me that i, as a depressive person, have good phases and bad phases (depression). So, you must be strong until you come in a good phase. Sooner or later you will have it.

Yes yes yes!! Sometimes I feel like really bad, like monging around doing nothing, generally empty and devoid. A few months later this will have swung around and I'll be on top of the world! Its like that. Hang in there my friend! And try to practise honest introspection always, and meditation. If you get far enough with meditation you might find it a wonderful place to go and escape. Although in reality, you could call the depression an espcape and meditation coming home. Meh, semantics.
btw make sure you fully understand the true nature of "positive" and "negative" - each can be worked with, but require different approaches.

Hey l337 Jemma - nice avatar [8D]

Rob

er, have you read the training manual by robert bruce on the mother site www.astralpulse.com ? If not then I suggest you do so!

Uri Gellar - I am pretty much convinced now that he is for real. I've met people online who I trust, that have met him in person and seen him do some crazy stuff (seeds spouting up in the palm of his hand for instance). I've also read about how the metals in his spoons are changed in a really weird way ie on the metal lattice and crystalline levels I think. Further, I think he has successfuly carried out experiments under lab conditions (some people claim he was not successful in labs, but I have only been able to discover that thats hearsay, the documented evidence seems to go with him - not sure though). Read a biography on him a couple of years ago too, quite fascinating.
You know he made most his money by prospecting for oil (and perhaps gold, cant remember) for big oil companies? Made a lot of £££....
I would love to meet the guy! Hey mebbe I should try and contact him and invite him to join us in these here forums, that would rock hehehe.
Anyway cant answer all your q's but:
"Was he able to move/bend anything he was not touching"
I think so - at least, he could touch something then put it down, and then it would start bending on its own. He also displayed telekinesis (by necessity a remote phenomenon).
"Did he have any explaination for his abilities?"
As I remember, he says he feels like he is a channel for his abilities, and that he doesn't always feel like he is in control, like someone or something else is using him like a tool. So he is not always able to perform like he would like to, which can be quite frustrating for him....

oh telekinesis - yes, the physical world can be manipulated by mind but I think it requires some considerable practise. How much, I have no idea.
Take a piece of tinfoil, cut it into a equal armed cross with the arms being 1cm on each side, bend the arms down so that the cross can balance on the end of a pin. Cup your hand next to it and see if the foil moves. Then try and control the movement - eventually you might want to try shielding the foil from all atmopheric effects (eg warm air rising). This was a test thing given by a magus style mate of robert bruce, I've only had limited success but not put much time into it.
have fun []

adio

Rob

Hey Tay!!

" The distinction being that we have the individual power to change what was seen on a personal level, and no power to change what will occur on the world scale."

Hhhmm, thats something to chew on. Buut, I cant accept I have no power on the world stage, probably cos I have some big plans!!! And to quote Margaret Mead "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."


"It makes a lot of sense from my own experience too of previous life and future seeing work."

OOoh sounds interesting - mind going into your experiences for me? How did you achieve these levels?

yours
Rob

quote:Albines are weak mutants. True Aryans are not allergic to the light of the sun, because they light up the world with their knowledge. The Indo Aryans are descended directly from the sun and moon and have the most illustrious spiritual lineage of all embodied earth beings. God likes us the mostest...nyah!nyah!nyah!

LOL thats a funny one, I just hope it was meant to be []
But, some interesting info you have put forward with respect to the bloodlnes/lineage stuff. Where are you sourcing it from? I am not familiar with most the things you are talking about, would be interested to look further in to it.

Btw someone asked how a society that controls and is essentially rather evil can call itself Buddhist - well, history proves that people who call themselves Christian can kill, start "holy wars" and etc etc. Badness is in the people, their religion is relatively irrelevant. People will always twist things to their own designs if thats their true intention.

Talk of the swastika - from what I remember the traditional swastika type symbol is not the same as hitlers - the original was for the sake of good, purity etc (like mentioned already I think) but hitler reversed it. Like how people reverse sacred names to desicrate them, very dark indeed.

Rob

Aye, a sad situation indeed.

Back to the original question, I am sure it is possible to affect these people and I am sure there are people and groups who do. If I were to point fingers it would be my middle one in the direction of the black lodges.

An aside - the general population at large no doubt has some effect on the leaders. Think about all the energy that is behind hundreds of millions of people focusing on their president! Similarly some people think thats why pop stars and etc tend to lose it pretty fast.
Anyway, this might make it more difficult to create the effects you want in said leaders, as you might end up pitting your will against millions of peoples expectations. Urinating in windy places etc []

Illuminate - you know that lucifer means "light bearer"? Food for thought. IMO the illuminate probably think they illuminate themselves, poor fools! lol.

"The illuminati collapsed a few years ago, victim of the Internet. Look at Enron, that was the result of the Illuminati, but it wouldn't have been public if they were still in power???"

Ummmm....meh? You dont think an organisation with such vast resources would be crippled by the net do you? Surely they would just go more underground? No, I think "they" are still going strong, whatever their real name is.

"If anybody is controlling him, please make him go insane and jump off a cliff."

LOL!! But alas, if he jumped off a cliff the media would probably report he was pushed by someone wearing a turban, and declare Iran responsible []

Rob

Hey,

I think it is a bit of an oversimplification to say that negs are magnetic in nature. IMO there is a muddling of cause of effect going on here - that is, the energies we are discussing cause magnetic fields (and are probably linked via a two way street to magnetic fields), but are not themselves magnetic in nature. Basically everything we know from experience about such fields is that they cannot exist on their own but require other things to create them, and are themselves only effects.

Myself, I do think that chi and magnetic fields are linked, eg kirlian photography and similar stuff.

Out of interest - the monks in MRI's you mentioned - have you got any links on that? I thought of this experiment ages ago and have been waiting for someone to do it!

all the best

Rob

Hey

I can say that yes, it is possible to predict the future. Some time ago I did a simple experiment predicting times my random uni buses would arrive, often not having any idea what the actual time was when I made the prediction, and the probability of getting all the hits I did by chance came out to be at least 1 in 750,000. If I were to include the near misses that came afterwards (my ability was 100% then dropped off, I'd just got back from holiday where I had been doing lots of energy work), we are talking about one in millions.

Yeah I have heard about psychics being brough in for detective work, its interesting stuff and IMO should be used more.

btw tayesin - the way I see predicting the future, I agree with you in part. From our perspective, and perhaps from the perspective of someone looking at the future in the akashic records (ie basically from relatively low zones), future is a series of probabilities. However, fronm the very highest perspective (think mystical 7 dimensional reality, with time becoming less and less of a factor as you move up the scale until it doesn't exist at all), past, present, and future and all rolled into a single point and, if we were able to access this zone, we would be able to see definite futures. I cant think of 2 examples from robert bruce and one example from elsewhere (ie actual experiences) that support this hypothesis.

Rob

Hey, good to see you again.

First, I would like to point out that people who are seriously mentally unstable in the way you mean, are pretty rare on these forums. A few names spring to mind, but they are a vast minority.

Thats said, I have a few points to make:

First, from my own limited experience, people who turn schizophrenic or etc tend to totally eschew the norms of society, their minds go so "out there" and they start living in a sort of fantasy land. So is it really suprising when they show a heavy interest in the far out stuff we discuss? Its all so much more interesting and weird, it makes sense that they are drawn to the paranormal like moths to a flame.
Perhaps it is that they give themselves up to the inner urge I think we all have to add more colour and sparkle to their lives, only they lack the discrimination and rational thought processes which allow people to be more than simply naive. While a lot of these people do get interested in psychic attack, energy stuff, paranormal etc etc you have no doubt discovered that this is not the only topic they'll live out. For instance, a true schizophrenic is just as likely to believe that they are a secret service agent whose name is high on the governments assasination list as they are to believe that they are under possession from beelzebub and his minions.

Second point - who's to say they aren't??? Either of the examples I have given, while admittedly unlikely, could possibly be real life examples that have sprung up from a core of truth. Crazy stuff can unbalance people who are not used to it - perhaps some of the people you met were sane and into the paranormal, but pushed their luck too far and fell over the edge of insanity? Bear in mind that if you push yourself too fast and hard in the area of spiritual and/or psychic delevopment you do run the heavy risk of doing yourself some *serious* psychological damage.
Slow and steady is the best way.

Third point - chicken or egg scenario. Suppose someone was under seriously harsh psychic attack, this is enough to unbalance most people. However, someone who is psychologically unbalanced may well attrack negs to them, and then who's gonna believe them when they say they see "things" in their room at night? Yeah right, go take your medication and stop bothering us with silly tales, we have real work to do etc.
I have mentioned this example a few times on these forums, but I'll say it again. I saw a program on a teenage mental hospital, and it was plain as day to me that at least half the people there were not insane (or at least if they were, that wasn't all), but were infact under terrible psychic attack. Now, many might ask how I can tell the difference between and ravings of a lunatic and a genuine case. Basically, psychic attack has a number of different hallmarks - but an unbalanced rant could bring up "anything". They would be just as likely to say they see pink elephants wearing tuxedos tapdancing their way down the trunks of oak trees, while singing the welsh national anthum in swahili, but they didn't. Examples include what I said above about seeing typical "shadow people" in their rooms at night, full bodily paralysis, overwhelming sense of dread, and "disturbing" ("" for the understatement..) core images being rammed hard into their heads each night (bear in mind that none of the people I saw on this program said they were under psychic attack, they simply described the symptoms).
Expanding on this point, someone who was genuinely unbalanced and taken to such an institution, will be at a much higher risk of coming under psychic attack simply because of their proximity to so many negs (if you think about it, mental instituions must be like all-you-can-eat buffets to a neg). So I think it would be very unwise to simply dismiss all such cases as "delusional", though no doubt some may be.

Fourth point - given that someone is under psychic attack, whether they are schizophrenic or not, this sort of thing naturally tends to push people towards investigating the paranormal as then then have a base of proper life experience to draw on, something most people are lacking (or if not lacking, then they are "sane" enough to be able to explain it away - ROFL!!!!!!). Flipside, if you did have someone who went loony and started seeing things that genuinely were not there, but they believed were, then what happens when a doctor tells them they are simply imagining it and are hallucinating? They'll not believe the doctor, and go looking for their own answers. You dont have to be a rocket scientist to predict where they'll end up...

Lastly, as mentioned eg by tayesin, some of them might be fully sane, and its only the limited perception of doctors that labels them mentally ill.

So yeah, IMO there are a lot of different reasons fo what you describe, but it would be grossly unfair to say that since loonies can believe in psychic attack, anyone who believes in psychic attack is a loony. But hey, I'm sure you know that already, right?? []

adio...

Rob

Hey!!

The thing with mother who have to lifting cars etc - I think the same thing has been known to happen with insane people, also people suffering possession are made to be many many times stronger than they "should" be (eg children requiring 4 grown men to hold them down etc being a well known thang).
Personally I think that it has something to do with the body only using a certain amount of its potential strength, ie running at 100% is potentially very damaging to the body. Could be wrong but it makes some sense.
However, chimps and other primates seem to be considerably stronger than humans, even given that they might weigh in at the same amount. Also, grasshoppers and suchlike have muscles that are orders of magnitude more powerful than ours in terms of power to weight ratio (I read once that scaled up to our size, a human grasshopper would be able to clear the Eiffel tower []). Seems a bit unfair to me!!!! Perhaps it has to do with humanity evolving their brains to the detriment of the muscular abilities. Or perhaps its something which is intricately related to the precise mechanism through which humanity has evolved (or perhaps "evolved"!) - I'm thinking along the lines of interventionism here by the way [][][].

From a more down to earth perspective, leaving the hows and whys aside for now, you probably were able to achieve this state by, as you said, ignoring your body screaming at you. Willpower can do some incredible things! Naturally, the subconscious mind plays a crucial role in all this.

Rob

You missed 11 and 22 - for some reason these dont have to be broken down and can be read themselves

http://www.spiritlink.com/numbmean.html

oopps, seems I screwed up my name number. Try again!

I love Stargate!!!!!!!! Am quite an sg1 junky it sooo sad.
The lady who comes up with a lot of the ideas for the program, I think would find herself quite at home in a place like this!
They leave clues to what they are hinting at sometimes - eg I saw one episode where daniel jackson is kinda transported to another dimension overlaying our one where he could see everything going on but nobody could see him and he could pass through solid matter etc. At one point they were walking past a shop I think it was, and a vehicle was covering most of the name (written in big letters above the door) - infact the only bit of the name it didn't obscure said "astral" []. Sweet!!!

You might be intelligent, I dunno, nor care - if you are ignorant of the subject matter it makes not one jot of difference.
Ie if you haven't taken the time to explore said subject matter before claiming superiority you will always be out of your depth.
I wouldn't argue nuclear physics with a nuclear physicist, and I wouldn't expect them to argue stuff like this with me unless they had taken the time to try and understand it themselves instead of unthinkingly discarding it.

Physics, at this juncture, cant really help you much. Nothing here is necessarily contradictory to standard science anyway (not that I would be too concerned either way, science regularly contradicts itself), its simply not covered.
Science has NOT discovered everything yet - any if you disagree, well, at least you are in good company. Eminent and intelligent people have been saying that physics has nothing left to discover for at least the last century (lol there are some GREAT quotes out there, if you want a good laugh just go to the bottom of the page at http://www.keelynet.com/primer.htm - eg "X rays are a hoax." "Aircraft flight is impossible." "Radio has no future." --Physicist and mathematician Lord Kelvin (1824-1907) ROFL!!)

If you actually want to discuss this, I suggest you do some research for yourself. But since you already consider it something out of the dark ages, its possible hell will freeze over first. Although I would be *delighted* to see myself proved wrong on this point.

Energy - the same energy, or at least a similar energy to, the one manipulated by the tai chi master I mentioned I had research papers on. Only problem is terminology, which isn't really a problem for me but....

This discussion isn't going anywhere. Unless you are prepared to look at data with an open mind I suggest we let it continue to go nowhere quietly.

Rob

ps pplllleeeaaaassee try and foster an open mind. You're missing out on *so* much. I might only be 22 but I have seen things with my own eyes which utterly defy your physics. Unless you open your own eyes to the limitless possibilities of the world we live in you will never understand or appreciate this. And that would be a real shame.

No mods did it, to the best of my knowledge, so I am guessing he couldn't handle us asking him not to swear.

See if you can affect the flower - ie tell it to stop and start moving, test it out, see what happens. I have heard of this kind of thing before, never seen it myself but sounds pretty cool!
Rob

I think in 3d and feel kinda.
People are all different - its like, if you say "dog" to someone then what do they think of? Some people will see a picture of a dog, some will literally see the letter of the word "dog" in their minds eye, some people will hear a dog barking (my brothers ex's was like this - she was a very talented musician).
Interesting though, about you seeing shapes instead of colours. So what shapes come to mind for the different chakras - got any examples? I've not heard of you're type []
Rob