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he saw Metatron standing next to the Holy One

We  have met him .He is a loving powerful being that appears to all that assemble in the Golden Chamber of Melchizedek which is connected to the ethereal Great Pyramid and to  Shamballah .

I must admit, taking due heed of all the warnings,

David ,
a proverb  I follow is to
have faith not fear
Fear is False Evidence Assumed as Real -when you walk in light and love God will send his legions of angels to your side to protect you there is nothing to be warned about  in their loving presence .

I would dearly love to hear the Bat Kol and to see the halls of marble.

Then Go ! Hasten . Gather your peers and begin your own journey to the spiritual palaces . They do exist . You can go alone surely but it is harder still and going together is so much fun .

I was merely interested if anyone else had tried this path out.

Yes the places referenced to in the text you cite do exist and I  have been there with my mates  .In our ascension group 9 of us meet 3 times a week for 90 minutes a session  . Our group consists of  ordinary human beings both male and female aged 16 to 78. It took us 7 years to form a working group of mystics .  We have been in this group since November of 2003 .

We found that the prerequisite skills we needed our peers to have before joining us were ; OBE , clairvoyance and clairaudience . We don't have to be born with these skills . All of humanity can develop these skills .

We also needed the help of spirit to balance our circle so that we were finely tuned to different colour energies . So some people that worked well with us were sifted out by what seemed like circumstance at the time . We could not use two indigo energy people for example when we lacked any yellow ones . But some of us learned to be the vibration that was needed through fine tuning . We also learned to shift to a different vibration to allow a new member to take that one we left . Thus we now have one each of red orange yellow green teal blue indigo violet and lavender . We also found that the placement of each member of the group in the circle was important to balance the energies so we sit across from our opposites. Red sits across from green . Yellow across from Blue like on a colour wheel .

We travel together following the teacher that comes to us confirming each other and our mutual experiences . We speak concurrently in a telepathic method and with our physcial mouths while we project our consciousness in a form called bilocation .

We have traveled in a group spiritual vehicle that is called the merkabah by the teachers that present it to us . We learn to develop our energy bodies to travel beside each other without a group merkaba too .

I will not entertain further debate upon its naming or upon linguistics or interpretation of texts .But I would love to write and read  about real practical experiences and journeys .

Our  group  begins with low light in a comfortable room with armchairs arranged in a circle so that the energy flows to the hub across and throughout . We stand to begin holding  hands right palm up left palm down eyes closed heads bowed . One leads in prayers . We all say Amen aloud and touch the table in the centre like a form of respect to the place the teacher comes . We take turns opening and closing in prayer . We work as peers during the session giving off what we see and hear and confirming what others say and interpreting what is presented symbolically too .

My own guides and my spiritual teachers teach us to pray to further develop our merkaba in this style  :

Lord , we are gathered here together to take one more step forward on the spiritual path . With a ring of gold around this circle and white light on every window mirror and door we stand perfectly protected. We thank the teachers and the angels we see before us now and thank those that will come to us this evening . We humbly invoke the presence of Archangel Metatron to manifest for us a group merkabah so that we might travel together ( enter the preferred destination ie The Golden Chamber of Melchiezedek or Shamballah or the Ashram of Serapis Bey etc or merely wait for the angels to steer you ) . Thank you Metatron for your assistance and thank you for covering our group merkaba with your platinum net of protection .  We acknowledge the presence of Archangel Michael and lovingly thank him for his protection and guidance this evening. So help us God . Amen .

Dr. Stone has a longer method that does work .I will point you to a link if you like . It is a helpful starting point and I lovingly refer to it as the old mumbo jumbo .

Metatron and Michael help us to manifest the group merkabah . We are all born with a smaller undeveloped simple one that is monochromatic . As we progress it becomes multicoloured and stellated .

We learn to travel through a vortex or fissure that angels form and open for us . We also learn to  form it ourselves . We learn to travel to higher vibration planes as we progress . Ascension  is an eternal  process rather than a destination .

We see and hear spiritual teachers such as Enoch or Shekinah and we see and hear angels . We interpret the lessons together as we travel.   We have made over 114 journeys thus far in this method.

We know of another local group that is far beyond us and 2 others we created that are coming along where we have already gone . The path is similar but the journey is unique to each group .

We have read about other groups and we have seen 2 other groups in the spiritual realms that are going up with us . One is a group of 7 live people from England . We can hear their leader who is called David .

Another is a group of ordinary spirit from the USA that died in the 1970s and 1980s They are seen by us along the way since they are also on the same level .

There are many more groups that have gone further than we have both ancient ones  and contemporary ones . As we travel we get evidence of those that have gone before us .

There are predictable guideposts to realms  . This is much more than the human archetype or a metaphor . The spiritual places do exist . You can go there and see what others have seen and will see .

If we can you can . All of us are called few of listen and most of those give up . Look to those around you that encourage and uplift you .Follow your own wisdom and discernment .

Some contemporary authors have written about their own mystical experiences with the merkabah  ; James Hurak , Dr. Joshua David Stone , and the large volumes of works by the deceased Alice Bailey

David . please look to my other posts I have written on this subject  as near and dear to my heart as it is .Or ask me in private or on another thread . If I cannot answer your questions I will put it to my peers or my teachers . I will try to help you learn and I have learned much from your posts already . I would love to learn more from you too .


God Bless and Keep You and Yours

I was wondering if anyone had already tried these out, or is interested in trying to follow the route traced out in the Heichalot texts....

yes there are those that have tried this
through the ages
and contemporarily
all humanity is invited to this path
which transcends ages and religions
it is open to all and exclusive to none
most of this text you cite  is to be taken literally
not symbolically  in this particular case

we are they the ones that seek
us all of us
all of humanity
we seek  to try to recall the path to reunite with our higher self and with the God within each of us and return home while in the body so as to bring the conscious to a state that we can learn to work in love light and peace on earth and not just in spirit after this body's death

it is a noble pursuit and you can do this David
do not let anyone on earth deafen your ears
or blind you to the sights of the angels surrounding you

They are ready to lead you to the glory God wants each of us to find in his love .

Until others are ready to receive the message themselves
they are not ready to perceive it and they will argue that you should not bother.

Who will you listen to ?
Your hungry soul or to those who have never seen an angel and have never have flown to a spiritual realm

Listen to the truth of your own .

You are right .

Seven chambers of light perceived = the seven realms of heaven

Shmu''el, stands at the windows of the lower firmament ;listening =
the window on the edge of the universe is a spiritual realm a gate .
We have been there it exists we have met this angel too

they (the seekers )

call to each other and talk to each other
= we see each other in these realms and talk to each other as we travel in ascension groups

ascend from the rivers of fire with each others permission,
=we help each other hand over hand to ascend together

Make themselves like light and like the most radiant lightning.
=We are taught to make our spirit more and more light less and less negative and ego bound and physically heavy

ascend by a ladder of fire,
=the kundalini and the tree of life

reach the armies of the seventh heaven, the pure chashmal(?),  
(reach )the wheels of the chariot,
stand in awe and reverence,  fear and humility,
cover their faces with their wings ..not to look upon the form of God
stand in classes of thousands upon thousands,...
before the throne of the  the holy creatures
=we and many of humanity now and in the past have gone there and other places with angels with the loving help of angels to learn

prepare and sanctify themselves, with each one of the million crowns of [different] types of light on their heads,
dressed in garments of light,
faces wrapped in lightning,
wrap themselves more because the chariot is in front of them,
=the chariot is the spiritual vehicle we are born with that we develop with the help of God to ascend spiritually it can be clairvoyantly witnessed and it is quite beautiful to behold

the throne of glory is above their heads,
the Shechinah is high above them,
=the female aspect of the Godhead comes to greet us very early on this path

the rivers of fire are passing between them.
purify themselves with light seventy times,
all of them stand in purity ... with [one] voice, one speech, one knowledge, and one melody.
direct the four legs of the throne,
=to get there we need to understand the four spiritual elements

each leg corresponding to another,
each wheel corresponding to another,
each creature corresponding to another
=the four animals of the sphinx

each cherub corresponding to another,
and each melody corresponding to another. T
raise the chariot with the sound of songs and praises.
=we raise it with prayer of thanksgiving and  adoration to God


if the dissenters pull you down write to me privately
by each one we teach we go forward ourselves and learn from the one who has also gone before us

If you would like to develop your merkava and go to see the angels and learn in the palaces on spiritual realms you can it is not a myth this is part of God's glory

it is sad to read others persuading you to turn back

go forward and upward with all of your might and all of your heart
the arms of the angels reach out to you even now

God Bless You and Keep You and Yours [/size]

What do you mean by initiation?  Thank you!

initiation is a term used by Alice Bailey Dr. Stone , James Hurtak et al. It is a meeting of the seeker with the masters on a spiritual plane a lesson is presented there by the spiritual teachers called masters or the  mahatma. Rods of energy may be used to pass energy on to the seeker . Other gifts that they offer us may be symbolic in nature or practical in use .

LOL Tyciol. I'm starting a Kundalini yoga class tonight, but I hope it's not meant to be these complicated.
I simply do gold and white really and those only as a framework as really the visual stuff doesn't do it-it needs real tactile sensations and actions to get me going.  Is this visual stuff that vital RedCatherine?

If it is then good post .

Yoga is a good way to open up spiritually it is not complicated no . If the yoga is followed by meditation it can help  the kundalini to rise the first time  .Today yoga is generally taught as a physical exercise to tone stretch , increase circulation and gain flexibility etc. Gyms often ignore the spiritual benefits .Yoga does not require visualisation at all .
Raising the kundalini occurs naturally and it is not necessary to visualise it either . But that is not the reason for my post .

The post is meant to put forth information that the kundalini is not a one way ride.There is not one flame that rises one time . It is a continuous process within a circuit rising and falling through nadis . Many are aware of two or three main flames but there is little information available beyond that . So I wanted to share this .

There are the four main flames of the Kundalini
which are the colours also of the sphinx in alchemy
These have ancient Hindu names
This is a chart I have put together attempting to explain their nature :

Hindu Name ---------------- Family - Colour -Element -Position on Body
1. Sushumna--Sun ----------Father---yellow--fire ------centre dominant
2. Ida ---------Moon---------Mother- blue----water----non dominant side
3. Pingala -----Man----------prince---pink----air--------centre front
4. Gandhari---Earth --------princess-green--earth-----centre rear
5. Hastajihva--Spirit---------self-------silver--spirit

when the father and mother yield the son he takes a wife and the parents become grandparents as the prince and princess birth the self - there is a muslim prohecy about a man bearing a child will become immortal
this is the self being borne and getting the self as divine parents to renurture and re create one self

the next four nadis are these colours , my group has witnessed them but I am not sure of the names or order (as listed later below 6 to 9)

purple -this is the edge of the universe we meet the Mother of All Worlds
gold - this is the completion of the alchemist the golden dragon sphinx
indigo -this heralds the arrival of the blue wolf sphinx
crimson - this heralds the arrival of the red griffin sphinx

I have not seen beyond 9 at this point but  here is mention of their names :
 
1. Sushumna- sun father yellow fire
2. Ida -  moon mother blue water
3. Pingala - blood son prince pink/red air
4. Gandhari -earth daughter princess green earth
5. Hastajihva -spirit self silver spirit

6. Kuhu       -
7. Saraswati -which is the river goddess
8. Pusha
9. Sankhini

10. Payasvini
11. Varuni
12. Alambusha
13. Vishvodhara
14. Yasasvin   




In the myths of Genesis we get some clues about the order and colours
First there was the

1-light day           =White
  darkness night  =Black

2-seperation of waters from heaven   =Silver
 as above so below as within so without ( and beyond ! says baba )

3-waters seas      =Indigo blue (also magnetic and arteries)
  volcanic earth   =Crimson red ( also electric and veins )

-life earth seed     =Purple mother all worlds breath

4- stars                 =Orange

4continued   sun    =Yellow father
   moon                =platinum Blue mother

5-life sea               = silver spirit
  life air                 =green

6 life earth            =pink
  life  man             =golden alchemist  
-----------------------------------

on our two hands :
we can now clairvoyantly witness this pattern developing in the energy body .

4 fingers Dominant Hand :
yellow           = sun father yahweh
platinum blue= moon mother shekinah
pink              = earth  avatar Jesus
green            = air      

thumb:
silver             = spirit -the little work

palm:
white    = sphinx female pillar compassion light


there are four fires of the transformation

Non Dominant Hand :
4 fingers :
purple  = firmament heavens GrandMother Mother of All WorldsGaia
orange =stars Father of the Universe GrandFather  Father Sky
indigo blue     =waters
crimson red       = fire    volcano  

thumb:
gold     = alchemist great work

palm:
black    = sphinx male pillar severity darkness palm


there are doors or webs called planes
one is the crown the female storage centre
one is over the shoulders
one is over the heart under the ribs
one is over the solar plexux male storage centre of energy
the last under the sacral upon which we sit the roots of the tree of life

must move all doors down shift one over each of webs of nadis
altogether over the planes

we begin to see in meditation then :

purple silver spiral stairway set off beacon
tiny inside infinite expansion of consciousness outside
everything is within that is without
but smaller
a pathway
an illusion
tiny golden ring in center of each plane web
make it expand and open self up
globe of earth lion and lamb in revelations bible
we all opened the purple and silver spiral up
memories past let go
ignited the purple flame female gaia descends slow hard
---
then future realised volcano fire phoenix father ascends quick and easy as the flames ignited pressure on sinuses and also tingling in elbow and shoulders no female pressure but male open female close female tingling resistance male current
------
over lynda were 4 flames purple orange black and white then these went onto table as spheres
and interspersed the 4 spheres of yellow blue pink green kundalini
and the silver of spirit in the centre as crystal

the table itself water with fire all round the edge
crown of jewels on table give to each other
widdershins so i gave to jodi
then around the table and the marbles fell down the spiral of silver

jodi said last week shown marbles going down in spiral we took them backwards
black cleanse end  seperation peace( gives death )
white new life protection ( gives life )
purple mother  lays the seed ovulation
orange father fertilised
silver neutral was not a marble it is us spirit and the spiral stairway
green terra grass growth and our planet signature
pink creation ( )  avatar son
blue  moon female mother
yellow sun male father

death on one side -life on other
death and life holding hands

There is a hierarchy of spiritual realms with the "lower "levels being easier to achieve the vibration necessary to attain them than the higher levels .

The physical plane is called the 3rd and the Astral the 4th . Some call all above the Astral Mental . between the 4th and the 5th lies the Akashic Hall of Records but this connects to the Temple of Wisdom on the 7th and to Shamballah too . Some  call the Monadic Plane the 5th , the Logoic Plane the 6th and Shamballah  the 7th with the Devic plane still further and higher . There are many enumerations .

I have gone to these realms with  a closed circle spiritual development group . Many others have gone too .

From personal experience the astral is the lowest of the spiritual realms . The Monadic is the place where we become one with our group soul or Monad and with our higher self . We can visit the ashrams of the spiritual teachers in spirit called the chohans or the mahatma.

The next level is the one where we can see archangels and reach the Golden Chamber of Melchiezedek.

Then we can see Shamballah .

Then the closest ashram of sentient beings which are gray purple and are known by some as Arcturians from somewhere off the trajectory of the star Sirius .

Then the people known to live off a trajectory  from  Pleaides

Then we can  see the Devic Plane

The the Temples of Wisdom

Then the Elohim Council

The the Window on the Edge of the Universe

Then the ashram of the reptilian people that live off the trajectory of Ursa Minor and Ursa Major

Then the Chamber of the Queen of the Devas
The Divine Seat of Judgement in a Hall of Justice

If you follow the link above you will find a description of planes above astral plane and so I was wondering how or who actually reached Monadic and Logoic plane .

Many have gone there including some authors ie Dr. Joshua Stone and James Hurtak . Alice Bailey wrote her version about them :

7The highest plane - (Adi Life - Logoic plane - 1st aspect - Will
6The monadic plane - Human monads - Universal - 2nd aspect - Love
5The atmic plane - 3rd aspect - Intelligence
4The buddhic plane -  Pure reason - Intuition  
3 Physical Plane

Afterall,someone had to reach it in order to describe it.But by the sound of it no one should be able to reach those levels since same article claims that  that spiritual masters are on atmic plane Also that article states that akashic records are on the buddhic planes while bruce claims it's in between astral and mental planes.So which is it?

Both are right because by some systems  the Buddhic Plane is another name for that level . I don't think the naming is so important as the experiencing

Here is one more  chart of 7 of the cosmic planes :

7Divine -Logos ,Godhead  9th
6Monadic -Mahatma Chohans Spiritual Teachers Archangels 8th
5 Atmic 7th
4 Buddhic 6th
3Mental 5th
2Astral  4th
1Physical 3rd

Dr. Stone lists 48 dimensions in one of his charts .

Well, the first approach came to me in relation to the "magic wand" of old folklore and religious traditions.I`ve found a link

There is a connection it is called the Mystery of the Sword
Serpent entwined around the Tree of Knowledge- Genesis
Blade of Ra
Rod of Aaron -Exodus 7-12
Wand of Moses- Exodus 13-22
Pharoah's Ankh and staff
Hermes Caduceus
Staff of Asclepius-http://drblayney.com/Asclepius.html
Sword used in Garden of Gethsemane live by the sword die by the sword
Spear of Longinus-thrust thru Christ side
Parsifal's Lance  
Arthur's Sword Excalibur
Papal Mace and Staff
Blade of God

etc

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20040301/sword.html

but I do not know this one the flowery want of Sn. John,
do you mean St . John Bosco the magician or St John the Baptist here ??

Is OBE required for walking a spiritual path?  An interesting question indeed.

No it is not needed for beginning a spiritual path and may not be necessary for each individual you are right . But to follow this particular path described it is essential . If one cannot go to the realm they will not be able to meet with the group of teachers that assemble there waiting for the seekers to come to them . Also there are places where certain experiences are understood . Without going there the lesson is not completed . But no there are many paths you are right of course .

If you can raise your vibrations high enough, your guides stand out like beacons.  So do quite a few other things.  You can percieve things just like your projecting.  I know some very strong mediums and sensitives that can't project at all, yet they can here any being they wish.

It is interesting that Serapis Bey is called the disciplinarian and says the seeker must come to him . He does not appear in the circle nor entertain invocations but after he is met in his ashram he will come if he chooses to the circle . So I feel others are the same .

I'm saying you don't have to classically project to achieve anything.  You can achieve your desires through other mechanisms.  Find what works for you, don't force yourself into a modality that isn't right for you.

We agree on this premise .

Aunt Clair, did you start this on your own doing meditation

yes ....

and then it just so happened that your group found each other?  ?

three of us sat together for a few years in a closed circle before that teacher retired and then we sought another group . I sat with one of those three and met another in the next closed circle . The four of us actively willed peers to find us to begin . We were aware that we needed more energy to attain our goals . We sought a group of 5 to 12 members .

and Do you know of any groups in the states?

No I am only aware of some workshops by Hurtak and Dr. Joshua David Stone . But you could start your own with some clairvoyant peers
5 would be enough .  If you want this you will be pulled to a location where it will fall inline for you . You will begin to have more clairvoyant mates than unaware ones . It will fall into place as you will it to occur .


I would suggest New Age periodicals , ie magazines or newspapers as a source of advertisement for a group or seek a bulletin board in a New Age Shop near you . Another method would be to seek peers at a Spiritual Church .


Here is a link on preparation for closed circles :

http://au.msnusers.com/AscensionoftheAvatar/Documents/Preparation%20Classes%20A.doc

and

Guidelines for a Development Circle
source: http://www.isd-dc.org/ISD-Wash/EDUCATION/CONTENT%20Development%20Circles.htm




http://au.msnusers.com/AscensionoftheAvatar/Documents/Preparation%20Classes%20A.doc

What do you mean by initiation?  Thank you!

Initiations is a term used by Alice Bailey , Dr. Joshua Stone et al regarding the visit of spiritual realms and the acknowledgment by the spiritual teachers in those realms . For example the first "initiation "in spirit was called the 5th initiation by Alice Bailey as she counted 4 physical ones preceding it notably birth thru dedication to the path .

At the "6th initiation" in the Golden Chamber of Melchiezedek the seeker meets the archangels and the chohans of the Ray as well as Buddha and Jesus . The seeker receives a rod of initiation and drinks from the Holy Grail .

Beth ,
You wrote

...Merkabah Mysticism and extends through the Middle Ages with the development of The Tree of Life and then further forward with the science of Alchemy and the creation of the Golden Dawn.

To which I responded

.... keenly interested in merkabah development and its relation to the energy body . ... i would like to learn about a H on its side shaped celestial group merkabah  

The origin of this thread has drifted from an esoteric discourse to a debate on a lexicon . This is not what I intended to become immersed in . I desired  a serious discussion of merkabah mysticism and alchemy which I will continue to seek elsewhere.But since you have decided to answer my question, to the forum, personally with a debate on another subject entirely I will reply as earnestly and politely as I might .

I have studied this topic in depth and as far as I can ascertain, the "merkabah" is not what many people today are trying to make it out to be.

However , I was clearly asking about someone's or rather anyone's  practical experience . Have you seen a merkabah ? Have you used one ? Do you project ? Have you witnessed the development of the merkabah  ? If not then please allow someone with practical experience to answer my question rather than burying me in jargon . It is valuable to read about it but it is better to actually go out and do it .

but as a word or symbol, I do not think it is necessarily one and the same with the ancient"merkabah" of rabbinical account.

"Mer" refers to a specific kind of light that was understood in Egypt only during the 18th Dynasty.It was  seen as a two counter-rotating fields of light spinning in the same space, which are generated under certain breathing.  "Ka" refers to the individual spirit's interpretation of its particular reality.  In our particular reality, "Ba" is usually defined as the body or physical reality. http://www.execonn.com/matt/Docs/Merkaba.htm

The word merkabah and its spelling variants merkaba, merkava  ,merkavah was borrowed from Egyptian . The Rabbinical account to which you refer is preceded by the use of "Ka" and "Ba" in ancient Egyptian long before
Ezekiel wrote his prophecies . These words denote the split of the consciousness  of the afterlife personality . The Hebrew word for the wheel of spirit travel  was derived from those words and not directly
from rekeb for chariot . There has been much debate on this etymologically by scholars . I will not attempt to convince you of that here .

The ancients chose to liken their experiences to a "flying chariot" because at the time it was the fastest mode of transportation within their realm of experience.

That is not true, their chariots could not fly and one horse can go much faster and much longer unburdened by a chariot . They were writing about spiritual vehicles in the shape of things they understood . Ezekiel,for example , refers to his clairvoyant visions of a spirit
vehicle . He perceived the shape of the image . He wrote that it resembled a ( wheel , throne , saddle , chair or whatever translation you prefer ) which spirit traveled in . He did not pick the "fastest one" he
merely attempted to describe what shape he saw and scholars continue to debate about the translation of that description.

"Although in English the words "chair" and "chariot" sound somewhat alike and seem related, they apparently are not. "Chair" is derived from Old French chaire, which is derived from the Latin
cathedra, meaning seat. Whereas "chariot" is from N. French, charriote, and augmentive of char (thus, car), from the L. Latin carrum, so say the experts. But it's a different story in Hebrew. Here the two words are
closely related, one derived from the other.We can probably all agree that the mind is the "throne seat" of our being, the core of our person. Your mind is you, and the same is true of everyone else. If in Hebrew
the words chariot and seat are related, is it not logical that "mind" should be closely linked to "chariot"? http://home.earthlink.net/~tonybadillo/ark/ark4.html

Whether Ezekiel or anyone else for that matter called it a wheel ,a chariot , a saddle , a chair or a throne does not really matter to me . I want to discuss how it is used and what it changes to look like as it becomes more developed . And I will continue to use the word
Merkabah.

...Today we have words such as "astral body" "group ascension" etc. and I do not think it is necessary to use ancient words to describe our experiences.

"Astral body " is not a vehicle . It  projects within a vehicle  .Group ascension does not connote the practical experience of group projection but rather the sum result of a group's development of enlightenment
. But merkabah represents the meaning of  a energy body vehicle for the projection to spiritual realms and it does it efficiently and clearly .

t does nothing to lend them any more credence or to make them any more esoteric. If anything, it makes them harder for people to wrap their heads around.

You don't need to lend a spiritual vehicle authored by the Godhead credibility . It IS what the ancient referred to and it does exist just as they described it. It is not a dream ,a misconstrued analogy or a
hallucination .What different cultures choose to call it is irrelevant . I certainly would not call it a spirit car that sounds sophomoric and spirit train invokes the image of  a Gospel song . Spirit Plane is ambiguous and could be misconstrued to mean spiritual realm. So I will continue to call it a merkabah.

We are just beginning to be exposed to and learn about this wonderful ancient tradition, and while the texts may certainly be referring to astral experience, these texts are accounts of their
experience, in their era and in their language.

First , "Time" is an illusion . We are spirit in a human experience recalling what we have forgotten and remembering rather than learning our lessons .  We are all one universal mind .  But this lexicon of which
you speak  never went out of use . We are not recently being exposed to this but you know that already as you wrote :

through the Middle Ages with the development of The Tree of Life and then further forward with the science of Alchemy and the creation of the Golden Dawn. This is an ancient word used for an ancient practice

(my)viewpoints are still without textual substantiation to the ancient mystics who originally utilized the word "merkabah."

I do not believe that I have to substantiate my practical experience with text . I only asked on a thread , in a forum , if anyone has seen the double tiered or "H on it's side "crystal merkabah . I did not merit your derision for asking the forum (and not you personally ) for confirmation and clarification . I am not quoting new age philosophy . I am speaking directly from my spiritual alchemy practice and from my own clairvoyant experiences . But I did allude to the merkabah of Isis and the Koran's description of Mohammed's ascension on horses of fire /chariot of
fire . And you know that I alluded to them as you quoted my references . But Ezekiel 1:20 is one ancient text source you would open your mind to .

There are also many references in the biblical text that speak of the Chariot in which God, himself, came to visit the earth, as is described above in 2 Kings 2 as the Chariot of fire. The reference to "horses of fire"
is to the angelic "chariots of God" that accompany God's Chariot which, in the early Jewish interpretive writings is acknowledged as being "Merkabah." -http://www.jakesufopage.com/UFOarticles.html

...Merkabah was also not an Egyptian word.  Ka
and Ba may have been words used for different spiritual bodies, but adding a Mer does not a Merkabah make.

No but this is how words evolve .Words have traditionally been amalgamated by the compound use of prefix, stem and suffix.The root meaning of words helps us to understand them .The prefix  "mer" means many things in different languages including light, change and  the sea  . The Hebrew derivation does make sense both historically and spiritually irregardless of which of these meanings Mer is taken to connote .  This is a wheel for the sea of stars . This is a chariot of fire .It is a throne for the Gods. This is a chair for the consciousness .

I know nothing of the mahatma

They are the ascended masters a teaching hierarchy of spirit and universal to all humanity . Haven't you seen them  ?

This is all a summary of the new application of the term involved.  I have read this stuff before; it is not associated with the original use of the term.  

Oh but it is... and in the very branches of knowledge to which you referred and the texts written during those respective eras . The medieval Tarot,the Hermetic path , Alchemy , Golden Dawn and  The  Book of Knowledge Keys of Enoch , and New Age etc. all of these  involve the use of the term as it was historically applied .merkabah, across the centuries .

For example look to the tarot card of the chariot

Keyword: Undifferentiated Energy  -Formative symbolism: Chariot of consciousness (Merkaba), the contrary qualities of the Moon in Cancer: Freedom/Slavery as the horses/sphinxes. The sphere of storage of all undifferentiated energy, or unstructured substance.  http://www.psyche.com/psyche/tarot/trumps/chariot.html

...my teachers do wear clothes from our culture,
and most often they are wearing khakis and casual shirts, although there is one that doesn't have a lot to say but he is dressed to the nines!    

Maybe that is the problem .It is good to read ancient texts but better to practice . If you need help why not try to speak to the ancient spirit teachers ? Has that good looking man in the khakis ever seen a merkabah or recalled traveling in one ? If not what is he teaching
you ? Is he passing on his own understandings of an art he has never practiced ? My father used this saying a lot  ;  "Those that can do those that can't teach ."

Clearly, that group does not include Drunvalo Melchizedek and his followers.

I never followed this man . Do not insult me . I have not attended  his
expensive seminars nor have I learned anything from his
hyperventilation techniques . Neither do I feel one has to follow anyone or pay anything to begin enlightenment or to accomplish the Magnum Opus . The journey on the path within the heart is free and it does not require a new age guru or a scholar in good looking clothes that never did it themselves.

I do not believe I need to validate my personal experience with "textual substantiation ".I have seen energy bodies and their vehicles clairvoyantly . I have spoken with ascended masters about the energy body development . I have projected within an individual merkabah . My circle travels in a group merkabah three times a week . I can open a vortex hermetically to travel in one too . It is important to read but it is more important to do .

I am a new member and you are a moderator and yet you have digressed from the thread you authored to lead me into a protracted debate upon the use of a word which you used in your original post on this thread and to which I only made a query . If you do not want to perpetuate the use of this word then don't use it . This is not my problem. Don't take your issues out on me . But my question has not been answered and I have followed your energy into a protracted debate which has developed into a flaming discourse completely off the subject . And my crime was what ? I asked a question to the forum ,not to you personally, for confirmation and clarification . I entertained your first thrust lightheartedly but this has become injurious and tedious now .  


This link points to a modern use of the term merkava , it reminds me of our little tete a tete  :
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/merkava/

I believed this forum was about learning ,sharing and teaching . Open your mind and your heart before you finish writing that book of yours Beth . I am certain you and your readers will be glad if you do .

I am ending my response to this thread ,Beth . You may have the last word and boot me or flame me again . I am no longer interested .  

Salam Alaikum
Catherine

posted twice in error

what is kundalini descending and what is it for?

Kundalini is in a circuit that rises and falls again and again ; this process further enlightens the seeker over time

Also what is light quotient

i think this term is coined by Dr.Joshua David Stone but i am not sure it means to become enlightened to leave more and more of the physical behind as we project our consciousness further and further with greater clarity and recall

"The spinal column houses a threefold thread. This is the externalization of the antahkarana, composed of the antahkarana proper, the sutratma or life thread, and the creative thread. ...which have channeled for themselves in the substance of the interior of the column a "threefold way of approach and of withdrawal." These are called in the Hindu terminology: the ida, the pingala and the sushumna paths, and they together form the path of life for the individual man and are awakened into activity sequentially and according to ray type and the point of evolution. The sushumna path is not used correctly and safely until the antahkarana has been built and the Monad and Personality are thereby related, even if it is only by the most tenuous thread. Then the Monad, the Father, the will aspect, can reach the personality in a direct manner, and can arouse the basic center, and with it blend, unify and raise the three fires."...."One of these paths is the one along which the energy which feeds matter is poured. Another is related to the path of consciousness and of sensitive psychic unfoldment. The third is the path of pure spirit. Thus in every living form the work of the Father, of the Mother and of the Son is carried on. Life-consciousness-form and life-quality-appearance are blended, and the response apparatus of the divine man is perfected, enabling him to contact and recognize the major divine aspects in the kingdoms in nature, in the planet and in the solar system - eventually." -Alice Bailey http://laluni.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/healing/heal1065.html

http://www.sahajayoga.org/WhatIsSY/default.asp

The kundalini fire rises the first time igniting the jewel in the heart of the lotus at the seat of the soul as we all know
but
how few of us know that it falls again like a waterfall of moonlight ?

The kundalini is in a circuit of
sun -male- -fire-yellow -light ascending
and
moon -female- water -blue moonlight descending
again and again
imbibing the subtle energy body layers with light
and filling our male storage centre in the sacral area
and
the female storage centre in the caput .

We know that the male side of the4 energy body is
red orange yellow hot electric
and
the female side if blue green indigo cold magnetic too
but how often do we hear of the trifold flame and not understand it is not the pink yellow blue spiritual flame but a metaphor for our kundalini ?

We have 3 fires . One hindu understanding is the  father mother and son .


After humanity completes the "Little Work" and begins the "Great Work "
of alchemy which is completed in the marriage of the White Queen to the Black King on the circuit of the Sphinx. That  copulation of the Father Sushumna kundalini and the Mother Pingala kundalini in the grotto which is our soul forms the Ida son  Kundalini .

We pull energy up into our roots like water into the Tree of Life and then The father pollinates the flower  in our tree of life so that fruit is born from our crown chakra .

Tonight in spiritual development circle our third flame was ignited by this Revelation of the Mother of all Worlds. She appeared to us and gave us a golden straw thin and long wafer to eat and a bowl to drink . She said that Avatars are the Bread of Life in this world and she is the Breath of Life in all worlds of this universe . She gave us a box of seven sweet sisters and said these are the mothers of the races .



We saw the energy rise from roots into the tree of life in our spine then the silver blue lightning energy came into our crown chakras striking to make amethyst pink purple sparks . We were taken to sit in a cave of darkness and came out again refreshed and excited ready to continue our journey .

Our circle was told to spread the light and the word to share and shine .

The wisdom of the sphinx
was not to hide
but to reveal .
Tacere does not mean remain silent
it implies instead
that the meaning is so clear as to be revealed in silence without words
as it is in clairvoyant visions .
The arcana is made known
and kept in our hearts and minds
a secret no longer
but a wonder that is shared .
We are all one universal mind
when we share
we learn
and
the consciousness of humanity endures and shines .

Hey Aunt Clair!!!!   Gotta be quick, got the first exam of my (6) finals tomorrow, just came here for a quick break. Nervous!!

Rob ,
thanks for your help and how did those exams go ??
tonight part of the circle's lesson was sharing and helping each other
we are all one body one universal mind
as we share we all learn and the consciousness expands
Ta

Beth ,
I thank you for your reply and for your experienced perspective . I can only offer a few points to substantiate my own belief and can not in anyway discount your own beliefs nor should I .

1.Anthropologically : The human body has not substantially evolved since biblical times and remains very much the same anthropologically speaking . It would seem then that the human energy body and their human spiritual vehicles would also be very much the same .

2. Etymologically : even though words vary from their origin to become parts of other new words and neo-lexicons it is the still apparent connotation that allows us to understand their evolution . Thus the value of the study of Latin a dead language is still valid as it helps the student to discern the meaning of new multisyllabic words . The pronunciation and meaning does vary over time but  it evolves rather than ceases to exist . So I feel that carrying on a traditional word is valid . We still call  a nose a nose still centuries later . "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet " and a nose by any other name would still smell .

3.Pedagogically ; The mahatma  that teach humanity about the energy body and it's vehicle,  transcend human time . Their knowledge is much older than biblical age and goes back to the dawn of civilization on whatever planet that occurred . They teach us about Mohammed's reference to spheres and the merkaba  and the Egyptian Merkaba  of Isis . They teach contemporary students with clairvoyantly perceived images called sacred geometry and since the images they show us look like the ancient drawings I feel it substantiates calling them by the same names .

4. Spiritually : The astral body is not a Merkaba it is a nested energy of subtle body layers .The basic Merkaba that a human is born with can be seen clairvoyantly as a double pyramidal structure that is one color . It develops with the enlightenment of the individual over their lifetime and can be perceived to have a multicoloured stellated pryamidal structure . The merkaba is a spiritual vehicle that goes around the human energy body . There is a simple individual one we are all born with , a group one we can all manifest to travel together and our energy body develops into an integral one  later on our path .

5 : Romantically I believe that the vehicle that covers and protects  the energy body during spiritual travel should not require a new name when the ancient one has transcended so many cultures and centuries . I like it as it is . I love tradition and I do not believe we need to discard these terms . The teachers do not appear to us in jeans and a t-shirt they wear robes of their last life . I feel I will do the same when i die i will identify with this age and appear to progeny as a elderly woman of the 21st century .My grandmother's cousin , Eric Liddell's biography is called Chariots of Fire . I love the image it invokes . He was a Christian mystic , missionary and Olympic athlete . I don't suppose he ever drove a real chariot but I have seen him appear as a spirit and he does fly in a merkabah now  .

I suppose you and i will have to agree to disagree on this matter perhaps we can learn from each other anyway and come to an accord  on some other thread at another time .

Om Shanti Beth .

...the ongoing saga of my spiritual development circles journey lol

10 of us meeting in Perth Western Australia 3 times a week .All of us are clairvoyant and clairaudient . We areable to bi locate and project during meditative state to speak to each other and give off in circle as we travel to spiritual realms . We are mixed in age and gender and strengths we teach in a spiritual realm metaphysical college according to our colour of ray and strengths .

Lynda middle aged red spiritual foundations
Jodi 35 yo orange artist psychic
Sveta 17 yo yellow merkaba scout and voice projection
Bill 68 yo green healer exorcist warrior leader
Catherine 49 yo teal medium healer lightworker channeler leader
Tom 72 yo blue healer religion historian
Maggie 50 yo indigo healer exorcist lightworker
Debbie 16 yo lavender lamplighter protection for innocents
Andrew 22 yo violet mage manifestation alchemist
Karen middle aged pink trance medium channeler

we began this "Alchemist "stage of the "Universal Path "
with the completion of what is called the  "Little Work "

this was the total eclipse of the sun

we manifested a silver merkabah of  all moonlight and magnetic energy in our energy bodies and in our merkabahs

we developed 1 halo of moonlight from head to shoulders
the red dragon and green dragon emerged from our shoulders

they came to the waist and a 2nd circle of moonlight formed
from the shoulders to the waist and larger
the dragons  formed the ourobouros
we developed auric coloured wings and a crown

we developed the third ,waist to toes, moonlight circle
everyone in the circle had wings of yellow green

the dragons became  golden lions beneath our palms

both become green lions for a time
the non dominant hand remained mistress of the green lion
the dominant hand becomes the red lion master

we saw the lions become small and crawl up the sleeves to the spine
re-emerging when needd to change the merkaba from sun to moon
or moon to sun

the green one eats the sun but the red one eats the moon away

we manifested a golden electric sun merkaba and energy body
we became a dragon each was their circle colour on the body
ie the artist in our group was orange dragon with pearl chest and trim

soon we all became the same again as a golden dragon-phoenix

we flew and  merged as a white lion sphinx with human faces
we have long strips hanging from either side of face
and a cloth sort of crown head dress

we flew away as a white lion bodied and eagle winged sphinx as
we began to return widdershins  to the black sphinx on the circular path
the dominant wing became black the next day
now we have the ravens face and head a golden beak and 2 black wings
....all of us look the same except

Debbie who had the flag of the destination before us , is now a golden traveler wrapped in golden leggings like a golden samurai with golden chest armour and shoulder pads and sword of light strapped cross her chest . She does not have a helmet though . I feel this means she is nearly there .

The old alchemists drawings show that the raven was the first bird of calcination at the beginning of the process



but  others showed  the golden dragon phoenix at the end . So i feel this is one of those "and twice you must go" rulz lol .

As we left the white sphinx we flew again with one black wing of the raven but the next morning all of us (except Debbie ) had two black wings and a round head and golden beak as witnessed clairvoyantly . But the medieval alchemist's images indicated the black raven was at the beginning of the process so we are not complete with the great work afterall it was another illusion . We must continue the journey to the black sphinx .

........."The Lioness-headed solar Goddess Sekhmet (head of lionness, body of woman) is an inverse image of the Horus sphinx (head of man, body of lion), together forming the Double Sphinx of Hrumachis ('Horus of the Two Horizons', ie. rising and setting sun), the Lord and Lady of the Sun, Double-Wanded One."

the jewel in the heart of the lotus is a kundalini flower
it ignites when the kundalini is first awakened
but
the kundalini is a circuit that ascends and descends again and again further enlightening us as our chakras become imbibed with more light and we enter consciousness in another subtle body layer building up our light quotient and becoming more and more aware .

http://au.msnusers.com/AuntClairsParlorSpiritualReadingRoom/chakras.msnw

http://au.msnusers.com/AuntClairsParlorSpiritualReadingRoom/measuringyourprogress.msnw


found this for you too  :
http://www.kundalini-teacher.com/meditations/grounding.html

Namaste I opened this post as I  am keenly interested in merkabah development and its relation to the energy body . I have witnessed the individual and group merkabah becoming more sophisticated in complexity as we develop.I would be interested in what others have seen as the shape and colours of merkabahs clairvoyantly.  

Also i would like to learn about a H on its side  shaped celestial group merkabah  ?


Links about the merkabah its development and use :
http://au.msnusers.com/AuntClairsParlorSpiritualReadingRoom/chargingyourmerkabainmeditation.msnw

btw I posted some James Hurtak  free video clips of a merkabah voyage that were posted on Astral Pulse earlier too .

GoldShoes I'd like to say welcome to the Astral Pulse forums too .  

Robert Bruce has an excellent book about negs and protection from them called :

Practical Psychic Self-Defense: Understanding and Surviving Unseen Influences:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1571742212/ref%3Dpd%5Fsxp%5Felt%5Fl1/104-8158345-7777543

I suggest that you order the book and  read it and consult Robert Bruce  too . He is very kind about answering these questions and giving expert advice on defense.  You have come to the right place . I think that events like the ones you described are always better shared with experts and privately .

Here is a little bit of immediate info on protection :
http://au.msnusers.com/AuntClairsParlorSpiritualReadingRoom/protection.msnw

I can't tell if its me thinking that or not sometimes, because someone will say it a minute later, the exact thought that popped into my head!

so you may be sending thoughts to another or receiving them
receiving them is psychic ability and empathy is receiving their feelings and emotions but sending is harder

to see whether they repeat what you think due to your send
or
whether you are picking up on what they are thinking like reading minds

then experiment :
send a well known song and see if they start humming it

concentrate on it focus on the music and the lyrics and think of the mate and sending the music in a tunnel directly to them ...look at them ...better hold hands or touch them while both of you are doing nothing distracting ie sitting at a lake looking at the ducks or sitting on the docks looking at the sunset .

you could likely be developing your clairaudience , your psychic ability to receive and having some ability at sending energy too this skill btw is helpful in healing .

Rev 22:2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.tree of life, BOTH IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GARDEN,

This is a metaphor and certainly subject to interpretation but yielding fruit in the biblical sense means to bring forth product as new life or knowledge .For example the fig tree was cursed when it did not bear fruit . and "be fruitful and multiply " means to bear children but also to bear product from your life in the way of knowledge .

So though I agree with some of your interpretation I feel the menses is not part of this particular tract .  But the tree is the spine as you say and either side the magnetic and electric rivers of energy .The twelve manner of fruit has to do with 12 months which means eternal all year all the time without cessation but also 12 different kinds of fruit not apples and pears but spiritual fruits like wisdom discernment or perhaps even abilities like projection and clairvoyance ,The leaves of the tree grow as we complete our great work and as we share this knowledge we heal the world.

autonomic nervous system explained clearly
part of the ANS  is the enteric nervous system :
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/auto.html

"The ANS is most important in two situations:In emergencies that cause stress and require us to"fight" or take "flight" (run away) and In nonemergencies that allow us to "rest" and "digest.""

Wanna see something I drew?

This image was burning in my mind after my kundalini was awakened. You may not be able to see it but within the eye of the dragon are flames and in the pupil is a figure. I tried to make that figure look like a person standing there so that whoever was looking at the image would see themselves in the dragons eye. It's a gentle dragon embracing the viewer with it's wing curved behind. It also has great wisdom and intelligence. It doesn't speak often but when it does it's voice echoes far and wide.

I like your drawing . The dragon within that becomes greater than us  is an archetypical image of the human mindset representing awakening  . Carl Jung wrote about these universal images that are common to all mankind as they remember  their spirituality . This is an image from a rock album that reminds me of your own drawing  .

what would it mean if our level of vibration, the " solid " plane, wasn't the lowest one ?...Yup my imagination is going overdrive ! Any thoughts or additions to this " theory " ?

interesting concept ...
a Native American spiritual practice of fire medicine was used
for seekers to go to a lower dimension
to speak to animal totems directly
on a spiritual plane for animal spirit guides
that was supposedly lower than the physical earth
and was located within the earth in the realm of the Earth Mother .

To get there the seeker meditated to the sound of drums which got lower in their volume and deeper in their pitch and slower in their beat
progressively . This slowed the vitals to enter the meditative stance to take the spirit out of the body and into the spiritual realm  of Gaia .
This  lowered their consciousness and their vibration .

But was it truly a lower dimension ? I cannot say .

I did have a mate take me on a drum journey but i felt it was to a  lower plane in the astral
or 4th which is entirely above us or so i am told
.. it would be good to learn more on this i suppose

Did you see the film Ghost where the dark spirits drag the bad guy thru the floor at the end of the movie ? I have seen ones like this and they are negative dark earthbound energies i feel they do exist at a slower lower vibration .

Interestingly we intimate that
faster moving neat spheres of bright colours are good
and
slower denser dark fuzzy voluminous energies are negative

If they are on a lower vibration are they existing on a lower plane than us ? or just the lowest of the ones above us ?

One theory on the subplanes :
http://www.multidimensions.com/uncon_dreams_travel.html
(

btw I don't agree with all this site describes but i put it forth to demonstrate other ideas of lower planes )
FOURTH DIMENSIONAL SUB-PLANES
There are seven sub-planes of the fourth dimension. Each sub-plane resonates to a different frequency. The higher sub-planes resonate to higher frequencies and the lower sub-planes resonate to lower frequencies.....
Lower Astral Plane=fear and negative emotions

The Universality of Meditation
"To every man there openeth
A Way, and Ways, and a Way.
And the High Soul climbs the High Way
And the Low Soul gropes the Low;
And in between, on the misty flats,
The rest drift to and fro.
But to every man there openeth
A High Way and a Low,
And every man decideth
The Way his Soul should go."
-John Oxenham