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Sorry 'Dr Anti-christ' but as soon as you mentioned the 'degenerative roman empire' I stopped reading your post as it showed you have no real understanding of that period of history, only the distorted mish-mash of christian propaganda and cold war rhetoric distilled from watching 1950's hollywood epics. The Roman empire was not 'degenerative', it was in fact a highly dynamic, multi-faceted and complex period of history that your stereotyped, misinformed blanket statements do not take account of. I know as I have a degree in ancient history; sorry I don't want to come across like I'm sounding off, but I get really annoyed with this misinformed stereotyped image of Ancient Rome which I keep coming across from people who watch hollywood epics and take them as fact.

My favourite line i keep hearing is 'only an empire as degenerative as the roman empire could kill christ'... except that the *biblical christ* was not killed by the roman empire, it was the *historical christ*.. and there is a BIG difference! btw when I say 'historical' even that is a long shot as he may not have existed at all.

As I have said before, the christ story fits in as a continuation and refinement of the age old 'god-man' narrative beloved of pagan mythology as is the classic 'death and regeneration' theme; these themes are classic pagan motifs going way back before christianity, particularly in the ancient near east. However the old death and rebirth motif can also be found in celtic paganism and almost all other agricultural based cultures.

Doug

Who needs life when you have Vice City & San Andreas!

Doug

It can be possible. When you start seeing 'astral' when still in body, which can happen. People often report seeing through their closed eyelids for example, although I have never done this.

Doug

Well, what i do is try to put a bit of overlay into your rtz experience, so once your there and its dark, just imagine yourself with a torch or even imagine the lights on. This will illuminate everything. The trick is to just allow enough overlay to give you that without alowing it to swamp you and make you slip out of the rtz completely.. can be a tricky balancing act but I can usually get away with it these days.

Doug

I can't really speak for England as I come from Scotland, and as for 'the cat that haunts Scotland' it must be a pretty busy cat. I've never heard of it and it must be pretty busy to haunt an entire country!

It is true that the UK has plenty ghosts but that's only to be expected with a long history. Dracula has a line I like when he warns Harker about wandering the rooms and corridors of the castle at night :
'the castle is old, and has many bad memories'.

Doug

I know, I was just being facetious

I know, I was just being unserious!



Doug

I've edited out personal insults here... keep it civil guys!

nothing wrong with an argument but keep the decorum eh?

Doug

doesnt really suprise me, Americans are suckers for anything, ghosts, aliens, second coming of jesus, judgement day, elvis lives... you name it!



Doug

No way.. we invented true whisky and note 'whisky' not 'whiskey' with an 'e' which denotes that crudy irish tapwater that emerged on the US market when the the irish tried to get in on the act!  

Good old Scotch Whisky... the original and best... but what Malt... now there is another question...

Doug
PS Give me a  Glenfiddich any day!

They look really tasty. I want to eat them!

It appears confirmed now: the attacks appear to have been carried out by suicide bombers and the bombers were all British Muslims. Three of the bombers came from Yorkshire and the fourth from Luton.

It's a sad state of affairs when there are elements of the British Muslim community that are driven to attack and kill their own citizens.

Doug

So far, the al Qaeda connection has been dismissed (at least according to some sources) as being the main suspect, with eyes now turning to domestic terrorists at Scotland Yard, and with arrests being made domestically recently/soon (within the past hour apparently, but unclear o.O).



Well, I think everything points towards a radical Islamic group being involved... homegrown radicals mind you... the UK has a big Muslim population these days. Everything point towards the fact that it was British Muslims who carried out the bombings.

In my view there is no 'global Al-Qaeda network'. There was perhaps something vaguely close to this description before 9/11, but after the attacks on Al-Qaeda camps in Afganistan and the Saudi crackdown in their country, I think that this 'network' if we could ever really call it that, is gone.

However what you still have and increasingly will have, is lots of disparate Islamic radical groups whose only real link is ideological. However, what these groups tend to do these days is claim to be 'Al-Qaeda' thus giving an added fear factor to their campaign and also announcing their allegience to a common cause.

You see, What Bush and Blair don't seem to realise, nor the media in general, is that 'Al-Qaeda' is not a 'global network' anymore, if it ever was, it is an *ideological movement*. Now anyone can take action in the name of 'Al-Qaeda'.

Some UK defence chiefs have now acknowledged this however and I read an article with one of these the other day. He admitted that the latest thinking suggests that 'Al-Qaeda' is an ideological movement nowadays rather than some kind of organised global 'james bond villain' style organisation, like some people would have you believe.

This is bad news because the realisation that in fact you are dealing with lots of separate and independant groups springing up like new grass all over the place and carrying out actions in 'the name of Al-Qaeda', means that it is so much more difficult to stop such groups.. they are likely to only have very limited contacts with other groups of like minded individuals and infiltrating them is next to impossible... there is no 'global terrorist network' to smash, as Bush or Blair would have you believe..
One thing you can't kill is an idea. Al-Qaeda is now an idea.

Doug

It  was the G8.. its got nothing to do with olympics.

The leaders of the 8 richest countries in the world were meeting in Gleneagles for the G8 summit but they only arrived on Wednesday. By  making the bombs go off on Thursday, they could be sure that they were all there, thus allowing for full coverage. The bombs were a message to these countries.

The G8 or 8 richest countries in the world are: United Kingdom, Germany, France, Italy, USA, Canada, Japan and Russia.

True...

Well, its getting pretty boring listening to all your moaning now Mustardseed. I think you have said all you need to say. I won't be looking at this thread again.

Doug

In any crime you look at history and motive, The British government has been caught in multiple examples of carrying out bombings in London which were then blamed on the IRA. They even had one of their own MI5 agents wihin the Omagh bomb squad. Click here for an archive of this evidence.

Astralp_

This excuse is often used by supportors of these groups to absolve them of any responsiblility. Yes the government had active agents within the IRA as well as many other groups, often these agents are put in the impossible situation of having to be involved in such attacks even although their ultimate aim is to stop them.. it goes with the counter intelligencve territory I'm afraid.

While there is slim evidence that on occasion blasts were blamed on the ira when it was not them, the fact remains that most if not all IRA bombs were carried out by and with the full support of the IRA, nevermind individual members who may have been counter agents. The Omagh bomb was despicable and was probably the first time all the naive US 'irish' supporters of the IRA movement realised the actual reality of this group, and the bomb blew off all the misty eyed naive romantisism and allowed sympathetic americans to see this group as what it actually was.. a brutal terrorist organisation that claims innocent civilian lives as well as those 'legitimate' targets. btw the omagh bomb was not even unique in its indiscriminate targeting of civilians.. it was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Then came 9/11 and America realised that terrorism in any form cannot be supported, no matter what the cause. The crazy practice of Ira collection boxes in irish theme pubs in the US largely came to an end as US citizens realised the realities of terrorism... at last.

At least some good has came out of all this.

In the end people have to talk to each other. The Irish republican movement and the UK government eventially realised this and more progress has been made than in years of terrorism.

With islamic fundamentalism it is the same.. in reality they are political movements dressed up in religious trappings.. a dialogue has to be established to bring all this to an end. It is lack of dialogue that leads to such attacks in the first place.

Doug

Why not? don't be such a puritcanical prude

The pomegranate represents fertility and new life, the cycle of life as well as the female aspect of this.

What god of the Sun would not have such imagery... (officially god of the SON, but the SUN aspect is still to be found there!).


Doug

PS and for anyone who doesnt think the pomegranate has certain similarities to certain features of the female anatomy, I say look again! If you can't see this then I really do feel sorry for you!

In my view, MS is going through what I call a 'belief system crash' when he finds all his old beliefs under attack, seemingly from the outside but also and more importantly, from the inside... this can be a traumatic time and a time of denial. I know, this has happened to me in the past.

Just a possiblility.
Also, you only seem to be taking a surface approach with phasing as a model, which is quite irritating. Have you ever looked at it in depth?

One of the more obvious things that people realise once they get a bit of experience with the astral is, what you believe becomes your reality. However, it is not as simple as surface level wish fulfilment. Sometimes these are things on a subconscious level which you may not be comfortable on a 'surface' level.. so the idea that its a simple case of wishing for angels and then wondering why you dont see any, is very simplistic. The mind is a very complicated thing. You seem unwilling to put any thought into this however, i believe, because you are worried about your beliefs are undermined.

Why are you so concerned?
I am comfrotable with what i know of the phasing model so far, esp. as its a model not the reality. You seem to be unwilling to recognise this and make claims for phasing which it does not claim to have. What's more, the phasing model has been very useful in my own explorations and confirmed many of my own personal experiences. I find it superior to older models and religions which are inferior, in my view as they put so little emphasis on personal experience and so much on taking someone elses word for it. THAT is why i feel phasing model is better, as it only claims to be a guide, and whats more it is constantly changing and updating as new knowledge and explorations become available.. what religion does that?

However, you can do what you like. But as phasing is the latest, and in the view of many experienced projectors here, the best astral exploration method and model out there, it is appropriate to promote it here.
Furthermore, nobody has a monopoly on 'phasing'. Sure people can write books about it to provide pointers, which is what is happening here and as these people have loads of projecting experience, i think this is great. But you dont have to buy them.. these people provide plenty of help here for nothing and have done so for years.. and there is plenty of info on the web already ..you can begin you explorations right now.. and rely on nobody.

Do what you like... please!

Doug

Mustardseed_ you are really going off on a tangent on all this. Fine, we all know what you think. Great. There's such a thing as labouring a point!

Doug

All the events went very well and I don't think the G8 summit result is too bad, it's a good start at least. Well worth the effort.

Most of the protests and marches held over the week, both in Edinburgh, as well as Gleneagles itself, and elsewhere in Scotland, were in fact very peaceful and enjoyable and a great time was had by all. The trouble caused by a small minority of anarchist types was not really that serious and these isolated incidents were exaggerated and obsessively focused on by the media, while less effort was put into showing the rather more positive and enjoyable vibe that was the experience for most people...  Typical media distortion!  The good will present over the week was only marred by Thursday's events in London.

Doug

Well, what can you say?

Do what you like, I am not really bothered what you think of phasing or any other method, do what you want.

Doug

For a good many years I have worked as an Missionary/Exorcist, I and worked for the best part of 15 years in India and Nepal, so people believe me. I don't buy into the head stuff, these things are real, negs exist, and no amount of pretending they don't are going to make them go away.


Once again, I have to point out that nowhere does the phasing model say that 'negs' are not real. Rather, it is quite clear that anything you create is real.

The issue is not whether 'negs' are real, they are real for the people experiencing them. The issue is to understand what causes 'neg' experiences and what makes 'negs' real.

Once you do a bit of exploring of the astral reality and gain a bit of experience of how it ticks, it becomes pretty clear, at least to me, how 'neg' type experiences occur. Armed with this, you can begin to combat the problem. In fact, it is possible to completely bypass the sticking point completely. Once again, there is nothing that you create that is not real. You just need to get an idea of what is going on to fuel these 'neg experiences'.

Of course, its up to you what you do, but give it a try, you might find that by examining the way in which the 'thought = action' process works, you might save a lot of time in your 'neg battles'.

Doug

I am an old Hippie Doug I heard it all, this sounds a lot like old second hand hippie philosophy, nicely packaged but same old stuff.....cheech and chong "its all in your head man"

What do you think

I think that I don't agree with you and I think that you need to look at what the phasing model is *actually* trying to say before making judgements which you appear to base on your past 'hippie' experiences. Also, you might want to think about the idea that your views on your 'hippie past' may not apply to everyone. I have talked to a few 'ex-hippies' who have only positive views on their past 'hippy-experience' and still believe it was the right thing to do, even if they eventially had to get older and get on with having kids etc!

Doug

One thing is to present a method, as a alternative viewpoint, another thing is to present it as an Ultimate truth.

But that's all the phasing approach claimes to be... another method. The method is not the ultimate truth, all any method does is allow you to (hopefully) go and discover the ultimate reality for yourself (which will be a long process).  But like all new developments, this method is trying to improve on previous ones. It doesnt cancel out other methods. People can choose whatever method they like. In fact you often see people combining the phasing model with other approaches.. this too is possible.

The reason is that the phasing approach is the boiled down version. It contains the essential elements of all the other methods but is stripped down to bare essentials to aid explanation. That's all that it is. People can add their own 'dressing' and additonal methods to this, including elements of RB's energy work and obe approaches. These all work and Frank himself has plenty experience of 'chackras', energy centres (even if he likes to use alternative terminology) and obe techniques and thus does not contradict RB in any way.

He does not even say 'negs' do not exist, as you suggest he does. On the contrary, he implies that whatever you believe you create. They are not just 'in your head' as if you believe in them they are *very real indeed* and take shape in specific areas of reality and can affect the afflicted. However, what Frank does suggest is that in his experience, 'negs' are *products* ie created by the afflicted themselves and the best way to avoid such situations is to increase one's own knowledge and experience of the wider reality and in this way to understand how thought equates into reality. Armed with this, you can learn to avoid neg situations. But, it is up to people to confirm this for themselves. He doesnt just ask people to accept it, but to go and find out for themselves. Anyone with a bit of experience soon starts to realise the thought = reality nature of the world. Once you see this in effect, it becomes pretty clear, at least to me, how 'neg experiences' occur. That doesnt mean they are not real and are not a serious issue, they are. But the best way to combat this issue is to understand how it comes about.

Once again, Phasing is the 'latest' approach and the most open in that it offers a bolied down approach so that everyone can undertand it and then use it to go and find things out for themselves. There is nothing in the phasing approach that contradicts what RB or anyone else has to say. It just offers a no frills approach and in some cases, a means to bypass methods that may not be strictly nececery, although some people like to continue to include them if they find them useful or enjoyable, which is just as good, each to their own. But as phasing is the new thing, it is only right that it be given a platform here. Other techniques are also covered and have dedicated forums elsewhere on the internet. Go with what you find useful, or even 'pick and mix' methods in order to find what works for you, I do.

Doug

Hi MS_

Frank and Adrian do not 'use me to sell their books'. Neither does RB. In fact I don't always agree with their opinions on all things all of the time, and I have no problem telling them so. I do however find their approach useful and I take what I like from their work, but for me the drive is always to get *personal experience* in something before taking it as a given. For that reason I do respect others knowledge if it is stated to be based on their own direct experience, but even then I accept it as a *guide only* and I do not accept it as 'written in stone'. In fact, these people themselves do not for the most part believe that everything is set in stone and they continually update and modify their own findings as they progress. Knowledge is always advancing. However, such guides are very useful, 'road maps' as Monroe would call them, and like all tourist books, the way they are presented and the exact way they come across will vary from writer to writer and you just have to go with the approach that suits you.

However it has to be said that there are a lot of charlatans out there who are fakes who just want to jump on the guru train and rip everyone off. Frank detests such people and this often leads him to make what can sometimes be sweeping statements about all so called mystics; these can be a tad too extreme sometimes and I have no problem in telling him so and I'm sure Frank doesn't mind me telling him so either.

As for me criticising RB, I never actually said I was talking about RB at all. I am talking about the big time fake gurus; you just assume that I am also talking about RB, but I didn't say that.

Doug