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yup, hes describing Fz to the dime. next time try to visualize something, tell me what happens

if you practice phasing this will be where you probably end up. There or inside your imagination.

wow 3 people posted this kind of experiance in 2 days time! i think astralpulse as a whole is making great progress with the phasing technique. I cant wait to meet you all in F3oC and go on some crazy adventures

anyway frank has said before that dreaming and phasing are two different actions in the same area of consciousness. I take this to mean that dreaming and phasing, while both happening in F2oC, are quite different as far as your level of awareness goes. Heres what i posted yesterday:

he is just saying that while dreaming and phasing both take place in your F2, they are different actions. In the same way that riding a bike and riding a motorcycle both take place on 2 wheels. Just different "levels" as Frank said.

I think its crazy that you mention this. Just this morning I had a huge breakthrough. I was inside a dream (i think, my memory is foggy) and i started to phase. I gained lucidity, but here is where things are messed up. I was lucid, but unable to manipulate my environment. This leads me to believe that I was actually dreaming that I was phasing, and not actually phasing. This is what I believe Frank meant.

While dreaming and phasing both take place in your "imagination", they are 2 different actions, and while I can REMEMBER my dream of phasing, I wasnt actually consciously phasing. Hope that it up for you.

PS this experiance, while it might not have been full blown phasing, was still a blast as I dont remember my dreams that often. I heard taking lecithen daily can help, so i think i will try that.

PSS In my dream, right before I phased i experianced a slight vibration, it was in my back i think. Then the "dream scenery" would sort of fade in and there I would be. Is this anything like the real phasing experiance or is my mind messing with me?

My guess is that you were actually dreaming the whole time. Not being able to fly, not being able to change the wall in the ladies ktchen, etc etc etc. It seems like in both of our experiances we were the observers and were only along for the ride as it were. I felt that exact same feeling when i woke up, man and i can relate. I felt like i was sure i was dreaming. But i think this is just hidden progess. Like you said dont discount these experiances at all, even if they are simply semi-lucid dreams its great progress.

hope that helped ya, and keep up the practice

Ben

ps. this experiance i had was also after i had woken up and walked around for a bit. i think the morning is definitly the best time to practice as your "plugging back in" so to speak.

yes it sounds like an F2oC experiance! Experiancing vibrations happens for some, doesnt for others. It depends. Keep at it

I had my first real lucid experiance this morning during a short 2 hour nap(the dream took much longer time, but only about 2 hours physical).

Anyway I remember I was dreaming about being at my summer cottage, and i was going to sleep. I decided to try phasing and soon enough as soon as i closed my eyes i experianced s slight vibrational tingle and I ended up inside a dream inside a dream lol.

Anyway I was lucid, but I couldnt control the dream so i was more an observer. But i do remember jumping 60 feet in the air and stuff just having a blast. I was amazed at how real it felt and how easy it was to do stuff. You literally think about doing it and it happens, its awesome!

anyway keep up your practice and dont believe ANYONE that says "you cant do that" because you should NEVER limit yourself. Anything you wish, assume you can achieve. Because its probably possible. GL!

he is just saying that while dreaming and phasing both take place in your F2, they are different actions. In the same way that riding a bike and riding a motorcycle both take place on 2 wheels. Just different "levels" as Frank said.

I think its crazy that you mention this. Just this morning I had a huge breakthrough. I was inside a dream (i think, my memory is foggy) and i started to phase. I gained lucidity, but here is where things are messed up. I was lucid, but unable to manipulate my environment. This leads me to believe that I was actually dreaming that I was phasing, and not actually phasing. This is what I believe Frank meant.

While dreaming and phasing both take place in your "imagination", they are 2 different actions, and while I can REMEMBER my dream of phasing, I wasnt actually consciously phasing. Hope that it up for you.

PS this experiance, while it might not have been full blown phasing, was still a blast as I dont remember my dreams that often. I heard taking lecithen daily can help, so i think i will try that.

PSS In my dream, right before I phased i experianced a slight vibration, it was in my back i think. Then the "dream scenery" would sort of fade in and there I would be. Is this anything like the real phasing experiance or is my mind messing with me?

almost solid- for referance you are referring to the traditional OBE experiance with the vibrations and the exit sensations correct? Because when you are doing a traditional "obe" you phase into the RTZ while if you do something like phasing you end up in the same place you do as when you are lucid dreaming. so if you go the phasing route you can either have a traditiona RTZ obe or you can have a lucid dream where you are fully conscious and aware.

mustardseed needs some medicine.

[time is relative]

Also, in subjective reality there is no linear time but in each individual perception events happen in a linear way, for example, if i'm in focus3 talking to someone, i perceive the communication in a linear form: "he told me this, then told him this, and he told me that". Is this correct?

yes, because as einstein noted- time is relative.

But you arent talking about subjective reality, that is F4. you are talking about F3. In subjective reality there are no words, you BECOME words. It is complete subjective transfer, no middlemen so to speak.

The problem with me is that i wake up in the morning and i simply want to go back to sleep. its like my body isnt done yet lol. i dont know if i would have much success in the afternoon because Its hard to go from work -> sleep -> dinner -> sleep. Just getting to where im naturally at when i go to sleep takes 20 minutes. I dont know which one to choose

Any suggestions?

Very interesting link, Shinobi.

I think image streaming is a good exercise for beginners to learn. at least its SOMETHING and you know you are making progress. i plan on practicing this at night along with my regular phasing exercise.

It seems like a great way to interact with your F2 and get the whole process rolling.

also, a question for hans and shinob(and for that matter any else who feels like answering): how long have you been practicing phasing and where are you progress-wise?

personally ive been practicing about 2 months and I can make F10 one or two nights a week, for a few seconds. i see a flash or hear a noise and im right back at F1.  its slow progress, but ive ONLY been practicing before i go to sleep at night. I think il actually start doing a mid-day or afternoon session, or start getting up an hour early and practice.

Maybe your intent is the problem? Half of getting there is wanting to get there, so are you sure you have a clear plan? Maybe next time you are watching these images focus on a place you would like to end up in.

hmm...your paper does not address the issue of complex human social "norms" and the subsequent enforcement of those norms. We will never evolve if we dont want to.

do any more child prodigies need to commit suicide?

wronski:

the fact of the matter is we DO have control over what happens to us. We just have this visage of "control" that we like to use all the time.

YOU create YOUR reality. its sort of like looking at a video game as opposed to the video games code. Well sure, we can say that we dont have "control" over the number of points we have, but it is really just a limitation we have put on OURSELVES to play the game.

We just havent figured out how to alter the code yet

no, none at all

I just thought that you were implying that this physical world has no purpose but now i see your point

Saying "you create your own reality" is alot like saying "love is the truth". well sure, but what the hell do you mean?

when i say you create your own reality i mean that you draw upon events from your imagination to create an experience that seems to progress in chronological order. literally, you create your own reality.

I honestly do not believe in coincidence. Every thing that happens to us has a deeper meaning or purpose that (I think) is meant for us to use as wake up calls to our true natures.

It's like we are all asleep (in a way) totally unaware of our true realities. Often, we are given "nudges" from our guides, deceased loved ones and so on - to help us remember Who We Are and Why We Are Here.

I don't mean to sound trite here, but I really do believe this is true. Every day, I feel we are given glimpses or clues to that greater reality which we are all profoundly a part of, but it's up to us to decipher the true meaning.

Most of us brush off those curiosities in our lives as "coincidences" and little more.

It's a shame. It's like looking at every major occurrence in your life as a cosmic accident.

I agree and disagree with you- i agree in the sense that there is no such thing as coincidence, only synchronity. YOU create your reality at any given moment so things like coincidences are signs of you taking more charge of your life. it happened to me as well

I disagree when you say that we go through life asleep. obviously we are here for a reason and i dont think that anyone actually goes through life without purpose or reason, though it may seem like it at the moment.

try phasing. it will help you get to the point where your body is asleep but your mind is awake.

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Thanks for the Re: it actually cleared alot up for me about the difference.

but why dont you just practice phasing instead of the traditional RTZ projection? then you could have the same experiences as a lucid dream, only no sight or awareness problems. Is there any advantage to stricly RTZ projection?

so i guess the real question is: are these memories erased after each physical lifetime? Does it even matter? You are obviously outside of physical "time" when you permanently lose physical focus, so whos to say that you are chronologically "after" your last physical lifetime?

Im a big fan of the "all lifetimes happen at once" type of thinking. Any memories of the past are simply bleed throughs of other physical focuses.

You are a crazy, crazy man.

Why did you post this topic in the Permanent Astral Topics forum?

I stopped reading when i got here: "as well as keeping the mind clear seem to be omni-present within each of these methods"

That is definitely not the case in any OBE technique i have heard of. Most of them have you either visualizing something as in ROPE and the phasing method, which actually encourages you to USE all your physical senses in your "minds eye".

Also, you seem to think that our consciousness is corrolated with our brain. This is obviously not the case, as action follows thought, and thinking that our brain creates our consciousness presupposes that the brain has a consciousness of its own, ie it is a seperate entitiy.

Your brain is not the creator of anything, it is an interpretor. It interprest subjective energy into our physical life. No memories are stored there, etc. If you can give me a link to that whole science discovers memories in brain thing i would love it, as you would have made possibly the greatest discovery in the last decade of neurology.

Selski:

Could you explain to me the difference between your OBEs and LDs?

Frank: all the deja vu stuff aside do you think its possible to "control" the passage of time while in other foCs?

The medical establishment is quite aware of this phenomenon, but has a less sensational name than "old hag syndrome" for it. They call it "sleep paralysis" or SP (sometimes ISP for "isolated sleep paralysis").

So what causes it? Dr. Max Hirshkowitz, director of the Sleep Disorders Center at the Veterans Administration Medical Center in Houston, says that sleep paralysis occurs when the brain is in the transition state between deep, dreaming sleep (known as REM sleep for its rapid eye movement) and waking up. During REM dreaming sleep, the brain has turned off most of the body's muscle function so we cannot act out our dreams - we are temporarily paralyzed.

REM is not the only time we dream...i just researched dreaming for a psych paper and your explanation is more myth than fact.

Old Hag Syndrome is alittle different. I have had sleep paralysis twice and I never felt like anything was on my chest. People who suffer the Old Hag even see something sitting on them. There are even people who see a big ape-man creature with ram horns sitting on their chest and even speaking to them. Both could be subconscious projections, but it's more than mere paralysis.

The reason people see these things is because they are having an F!/F2(3?) overlay. In a sense, for anywhere from 3sec-2min afterwords they are "tripping". This is because they are literally halfway between dreams and waking life. So if you woke up and couldnt move your body, what might you imagine is happening? Normally imagination stays in our head but for these people there thoughts manifest, most of the time as an old hag. Its just one of those mass constructs that really has no positive outcome.

Deja vu has a scientific explanation and, besides , we cannot give paranormal explanations for everything.

Whats the difference between scientific and paranormal explanations?