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I once asked a girl rowing a canoe across the floor if she was real,or just a dream creation.she said "no,I'm real.I'm here because I have issues w/my father".

this seems to illustrate the possibility that there could be certain astral areas we go to for certain dream issues,for the purposes of learning.

how exactly is this accomplished?[]

I suspect that the reason why you couldn't do anything you couldn't do in real life is that it felt so real.like a mental block or something.I get those sometimes.lately I've had trouble flying 'cause of that.

you probably just have to get used to being concious in that state.once you get more accustomed to to lucidity those blockages should dissapear.

hi TradeMAAK![]

here's some techniques you might want to try:

the first one is very simple.just wait until you are about to fall asleep,when you are feeling very relaxed and comfortable,and ready to drift away.in this state you will probably have a closer connection to the subconcious mind,since you are readying it to take over.in this state you will hopefully be very suggestable.say to yourself "I will have a lucid dream tonight".maybe repeat it several times until you feel that you've 'drilled it in'.try the same thing if you wake up in the middle of the night sometime,or very early,since most lucid dreams happen in the later hours of sleep.that's all there is for the first one.I think it's called "dream incubation".

the second technique is to truthfully ask yourself throughout the day "is this a dream?".even if you know it isn't,really ask anyways.try to put your hand through a wall or fly up into the air,purely by mental thought.if you do this enough,it will seep into your dreams,and when you try that,and something happens,you will suddenly get that "oh!"[:O] feeling.and lucidity will result.

a third technique is to meditate when you wake up really,extremely early,when you have time,or during the day.the idea is to focus the mind,not let it go,as you do when falling asleep.try this when you are VERY,VERY tired.and you might want to try some 'hemi-sync' cds.I have one called "transcendence".I put it on loud,in headphones as I'm drifting off ,or meditating,and it really helps to bring you to the borderline state, and HOLD you there (if it's loud enough).

I'll post some more if I remember.

good luck![]

Ybom-

I only just started experimenting w/it about a year ago.I had a really strange experience of syncronicity when I first started trying auric vision training.it's probably posted in the back pages somewhere,but I'll post it here anyways:

I was sitting in a mall,on a big,soft chair[].I remembered what I read in one of carlos castaneda's writings about how we are trained to look at things,instead of at the spaces between.I started focusing around people,and started seeing 'air disturbances' around people,as well as a kind of fountain at the top of the head.sometimes I would see light or dark spots around people's heads, as well as occational flashes of color.

while I was doing this,thinking "hmm,that's interesting...",and old woman came up right beside me.she was holding a small boy in her arms.

this is where it get's wierd:

she said to the small boy "jason,do you see the light? do you see the light jason?"[:O].

then she walked away.that's how the auric vision thing started,but I think that it helps (maybe even neccesary) that I've been practing astral projection/energy raising for about 12 years,so the 'etheric pathways' are somewhat developed by now (although medication has effectively put up a barrier to astral projection-it's still possible,I think,but even more difficult that usual).

as well as the relationship between energy work/development and auric sight,I also think that there is a relationship between auric sight and unconcious emotional relationships between the individual and everyone else.auric sight is much easier while I'm in large gatherings of people,with the event having a relatively high emotional charge. (concerts,lectures...).

this also illustrates a relationship between empathy and auric vision.

to end off,I would like to include a quote by The Tick-"SPOON!"[]

holy crap!  -sorry about the spelling![:O][]

origionally posted by kiauma-

"by charachterizing any belief that opposes their own as a result of 'demon possetion' they are able to build an airtight wall of fear between their beliefs and the world"

well said[]

we all should register on that forum,stir things up a bit[}:)]

...or not[]

atalanta-I would have to agree with you.time flies faster every year-so fast that sometimes I'll remember something that I wanted to do/learn about 5 years ago,but time just slips away.

the FEAR blockage is/can be very powerful.I'm just now trying to gain some sort of control over my destiny,trying to destroy the fear that has controlled me for years,keeping me from following my own path.

I'm learning that it takes courage to follow 'the path with heart'.

I saw one in a field near a school.it was probably about 9-10:00pm.it looked like a man raking leaves,except he was made of light!

needless to say,I was terrified.I looked at it,sort of confused "hmmm...what the hell is that?!"

after looking at it for a few minutes,I rode away.a part of me wanted to ride right into the field to check it out-sort of a 'close encounter',but fear got the better of me.

areas that were sacred to the indiginous cultures would be a good place to start.it would take some research and wandering,but it could pay off,I've been thinking of trying that myself.

in medieval england,apparently it was common for the christians to cover these areas of the countryside w/churches.

I would also suggest that you (if you can-without be overwhelmed by fear) seek places that have a strong phychic charge,and are notorious for hauntings.however,be sure to protect youself (!?).

never done that myself,but I'd like to try it,just as long as I could protect myself from neg attachments.

It would surely be *interesting* (to say the least) to meditate,or attempt energy work,or astral projection from these areas.it would take alot of preparation to ensure confidence in the face of extreme fear.[:O]

if you are familiar w/natural 'ley lines',the areas where they intersect (many are in the U.K.,but they are scattered all over) are very powerful natural doorways to the astral planes.
 I'm not sure how to set one up,though.[]

I haven't read those books yet,but I have a metranome that might come in handy.it produces rythmic audio pulses.

I felt kind of wierd, like "I wonder-does anyone else see that?".

no way in hell would I ask anyone though[].they'd spring on me the old "what the hell are YOU on?" line.

tombodenmann-I haven't seen anything like that so far,though that would be really cool.I've heard that in england,along the 'ley lines',at centres where they connect it might be possible to see that stuff,due to natural doorways to the astral planes,where those types of thoughtforms spring into existance.

Jessica-I thought there was enough clear warning about that in his posts...

every one of them has a warning in it.and not one of them is making fun of anyone.

please don't start an argument.this isn't the place for that-I've always held this forum in high regard because there's no BS flinging in it.most people here are honest,friendly and open.

it's all good though.no ones perfect.[]

I don't think it's the same thing...

but, I see those too![]

when I was a kid,I asked my mom "what are those lines all over the place?".She said "what 'lines'?!".I never brought it up again,cause I wierded her out![]

I see them sprouting from trees usually,and they go up into the air as far as I can follow them.sometimes,if I concentrate,I can see other things, like 'air disturbances',or dark areas,or shimmering waves coming off trees,moving up into the sky around trees.I can also sometimes tell if a tree is alive or dead,if it has rings of energy coming up the trunk from the ground or not.I have to be in the proper 'state of mind' to be able to do some of those things-usually it's easier if I've been walking in the woods off of the trail for a while,just kind of wandering,and my mind is calm.

The brow chakra lines I descibed in my last post appeared all across my field of vision-I couldn't see anything else.It's not the same thing,but it's very interesting that you would bring up the thing about lines sprouting from trees.I've never heard of anyone else who saw that stuff,and I don't understand what they are.some kind of auric vision no doubt.

I definately agree about not being 'arseholes' ('scuse my french) w/eachother.I've noticed that this forum never used to be as bad as it is now,I still like this forum more than any other.

and I've also learned the importance of respecting belief systems[]

so...have a nice day people,and don't be a jerk[!][]

If that's the case, then my brain seems to overheat quite a bit on it's own![]

though it's not really pain,just a sensation-like someone else touching my forehead between the eyes.

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I have found through personal experience that chakras do seem to exist.when I first started working with them,I was trying to activate the lowest one,when I suddenly saw/heard a very vivid picture of a swirling vortex of red energy.it was sort of 'roaring' (for want of better term).

another time,I activated all the chakras-lowest to highest-and got major activation in the heart region-my heart felt much larger,and felt like it was going to beat right out of my chest.I got up to the brow chakra,and my 3rd eye opened right up![:O]I saw these wierd blue wavy lines,like a was 'seeing'the vibrations.I activated the crown chakra at nearly the same time as the brow,and left my body,and floated around the room!!

I couldn't get away from my body,and I felt the very strong pull back to it (this is why I like to 'shoot' myself out of my body when I can).I was having vision and movement problems,being so close to the physical body,so I went back into it.

I've been getting lazy for the past 2 years or so,about 'clearing the cobwebs',so I haven't had any obe's, but I've just started again,and use hemi-sync to propel the body into trance fatster than usual.

I keep everyone posted as to what happens[]

watched the video for about a minute.

I felt some pressure on my solar plexus,heart,and brow chakra.

I began seeing images within a few seconds: a close up of an acoustic guitar and someones hands on it,scrambled letters,a tunnel.

I would like to have something like that to meditate with,although I'm not sure how healthy that is,you could feel sick after awhile...[]

"it's a bittersweet symphony,that's life/you're a slave to find money,then you die"-the verve.

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I used to be able to project once in a while,and used to have tons of spontaneous projections after I got robert monroe's technique to work...

but then severe social anxiety started to increase in severity,and it started to run/ruin my life.my mental health declined,and so did my obe abilitys.

then,a couple of years ago,I went on SSRI'S(effexor xr/clonazipam).

I've only had a couple of projections since then.that's about one a year[].

I do think that,for some reason,anti-depressants suppress the concious projection reflex.

...and I found out from my doctor that I'm probably going to be on meds LONG TERM.

this blows[!]

thanks!

excellent[8D]

I found out where the face/pyramids,etc,area is on mars.I looked through some textbooks until I found it.If you have access to a map of mars-I found one from an old national geographic:

IT IS LOCATED IN THE "ELYSIUM" REGION[8D]

just thought you might want to know that,for anyone who has a map,and studies it w/the intention of projecting there.

I haven't gotten that far...YET.[]

and when I get there,and come back,I'll paint some images of what I saw.

the government wouldn't be able to get Robert Monroe because he passed away about 5 years ago[xx(]