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Hallo loreali and welcome.
I would suggest reading some of the threads in the "Welcome to Astral FAQ" forum" in order to become familiar with some of the terms and concepts discussed in the forums here.

Regards 
Grey

Greetings and welcome Astral72
Intros are no big deal. The important thing is that you are here. We hope that you stay awhile.

Regards 
Grey

Hallo 8bit
Yes a Very cool experience.  Apparently you have some type of connection with Japan. Have you ever been there IRL?? That is one place I plan to visit someday, both in the physical and OOB.

Cheers   
Grey

Hallo Robin and welcome back.
I seem to vaguely remember you way back through the mists of time, maybe 2005 or 2006??  Anyway I'm glad you're back and look forward to reading your posts in the forum here.

Regards 
Grey

Greetings and welcome AzureLeaf
An impressive intro. AstralPulse has a Lot more to offer besides forums on OBEs and astral projection. Included here are forums devoted to psychic and spiritual development and Magick. So I hope that you find something good and stay here awhile.

Cheers 
Grey

Greetings
My definition of an Out of Body Experience is when the consciousness (also called soul, spirit, astral body and/or ethereal body) separates and exists outside and apart from the physical body.
I believe that an OBE is different from a lucid dream because the consciousness does not separate from the physical body during a LD. However sometimes the line between an OBE and a LD becomes blurred to the point as to be unable to distinguish one experience from another.

Truly 
Grey

Greetings Mirlo and welcome
The terms Out of body experience (OBE) and astral projection (AP) are often used interchangeably by many people but I believe that there Is a difference. Both terms describe experiences where a person's consciousness (soul/spirit/astral body) separates and exists apart from their physical body. However, during an OBE the person is in a nonphysical realm that Does a counterpart in the physical world. During an AP a person visits a nonphysical realm that does Not a physical world counterpart.


Sincerely 
Grey

Hallo Mirlo
A very interesting, if somewhat unsettling, experience. I can empathize with what happened to you because I have had negative and violent encounters a few times while out of body. If this situation is repeating on a regular basis I recommend looking into various forms of psychic defense. There are many different types of defenses including psi, magick and energy defenses. Just keep experimenting until something works.

Regards 
Grey

Hello Fourthdimension
Yes, You did have an OBE.
Those differences that you noticed in the RTZ are what are known as 'reality fluctuations'. This is a term first used by author and frequent projector/OBEer Robert Bruce. Rather than go into detail I will refer you to Bruce's website astraldynamics.com.au There you can learn more about reality fluctuations.

Regards 
Grey

[False Awakening]

Hallo Jdeadevil
Before I posit my (new) theory let me just review what happened to you.
First you became lucid during a dream in a tower. Then the LD 'transitioned' into an OBE or AP. After that you woke up in RL. And then went back to sleep into a lucid dream.
Is this basically correct or did I miss something??
My question is about the second LD, when you saw the loading bar ---  was any of this particular experience in your room?? or were you in another location?? I ask because if any of this happened in your room then I would automatically conclude that it was an OBE.
Anyways here's my theory (educated guess) about what happened. This idea is based on a False Awakening. A false awakening is when a person is in a dream but believes that they are awake. Sometimes the person eventually realizes that it is a dream and either becomes lucid or else transitions the experience into an OBE or an AP.
Your experience is what I will term a "False Dreaming". The "dream" in the tower was Not a dream, Rather it was an OBE, or to be more precise it was an astral projection (= an OBE to a location that has no counterpart in the physical universe). You thought that you were dreaming at first and gradually became aware that it was not a dream and was an OBE/AP.
"False Dreaming" had happened to me Many times. Sometimes I become astrally aware and transition into a fully aware OBE/AP. Many other times it never quite dawned on me that it was not a dream so the experience was recalled as only a "Special" dream. This Must happen to Many other people as well and is probably responsible for Most of those posts where a person asks, "Was this an OBE or a Dream?"
It could also explain the confusion when a person was lucid and yet was unsure if the experience was an OBE or a LD.
As a postscript the 'false dreaming' state bridges the gap between the dream state of consciousness on the dream plane(s) and astral awareness during an OBE in the RTZ/ethereal plane and during an AP on an astral plane(s).

This "false dreaming" theory is entirely new so any feedback, positive or negative, is much appreciated. 
Grey

Hallo Justin
It must have felt good to have gotten 'Out' again. In my experience almost any OBE is a Good OBE, even if nothing much happens.
BTW the ability to float above the floor indoors is one of the truly Underrated experiences of being out of body. While floating inside a building is not as thrilling a flying outdoors it still can be A Lot of fun. 

Thanx for sharing 
Grey

Hi 8bit
Now that you mentioned it, yes, that strange feeling has happened several times, both in OBEs and in dreams. I seem to remember it happening more often in dreams. It Is an odd situation, almost like chewing on plastic. Any ideas what might cause it??

Later 
Grey

Greetings brucedarwill
I truly appreciate your many varied, and sometimes violent, out of body experiences. I too, from time to time, have had negative and/or violent encounters with discarnate beings. Fortunately this does not happen during Every OBE but it does occur every now and then. Despite having the occasional run-in with a hostile spirit being I always look forward to my next OBE.
Just out of curiosity how many of your hundreds of OBEs and astral projections have included encounters with hostile, violent beings. (I would put my own violent OBE rate at about 5% to 7% of the total.)

Sincerely 
Grey

Greetings GoodApollo and welcome.
I might suggest reading some of the threads in the "Welcome to Astral FAQ Forum". That will help you get up to date with some of the terms and concepts used in the forums here.

Sincerely 
Grey

Hallo Melisa and welcome.
I'm not very knowledgable about magick but post that question in the "Magic Forum" here and somebody might reply.

Greetings 
Grey

Welcome back tomcat
It's good to hear from you. It's too bad about the astralviewers site. Gone for good I guess. I miss contact with some of the members there, like Bedeekin, CaitHT, SSergiu and others.
Anyways let's hope that you stay here awhile.

Regards 
Grey

Hallo 8bit
You did the right thing by conversing with the entity. Chances are he was either a living person who was having an OBE or else he was permanently discarnate (=dead). Either way he must have been very troubled. One reason for his confusion could have been drugs. Some people have reported encountering drug addicts even in the astral realms.

Regards 
Grey

Greetings and welcome to AstralPulse innersky23
Blogs are interesting and informative ways to follow the spiritual growth and adventures of individuals. Several members here have blogs which I follow.
There might be some rule here about a minimum number of posts before allowing links. Anyways I look forward to reading both your blog and posts here soon.

Regards 
Grey

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Greetings and welcome Raymond
From the description that you posted it Does appear that you had that first OBE. Congratulations to you. The presence of vibrations is Usually an accurate sign that an OBE is about to occur. The dim lighting and confusion are also common during first time OBEs. Other give aways were seeing your physical body asleep in bed and putting a hand through the bed. All of these are very common occurrences during an OBE.

Cheers 
Grey

Hallo twilighter
Lionheart wrote

I have put up a warning in the past here many times that said don't delve into the world of Astral Travel/OBE's unless you are prepared or willing to take on all that it entails.

I basically agree with this and will expand on it a bit. The OBE and astral projection opens many doors into different realms. Basically once those doors or pathways are open they will never again be permanently shut. Most of these pathways are positive and lead to benign experiences and encounters, yet, unfortunately, not all are. It is my experience to expect the bad or freaky dream and OBE every once in a while.
One trick for stopping unwanted recurring dreams (for me at least) is to meticulously write them down in a notebook. Somehow the act of writing a dream on paper Has stopped every repeating dream from happening again. Writing a dream down on paper must act as a note from the conscious to subconscious mind saying in effect, "OK I got the message, no need to repeat it again".

Regards 
Grey

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Greetings
I equate Consciousness as the ability to understand what oneself and others are at any given moment.
At present I am a spirit inside a physical body.
During a lucid dream I am a dream body on the dream plane.
During an OBE I am a nonphysical being in the Real Time Zone.
During an astral projection I am a nonphysical being in a higher dimension or plane or Belief System Territory.
Interesting to note that during all these experiences the Basic I remains the same although my outer appearance (whether physical, dream, ethereal or astral) changes.

Sincerely 
Grey

Hallo 8bit
You posted

Yes, but at that time I was not sure. I never seen a desk in my house before. I have also seen a calculator that shouldn't have been there in one my previous OBEs.

That sort of things happens quite a lot. Seeing minor changes and incongruities in a familiar place can  cause some doubt and confusion and is something that most astral travelers (including me) have experienced at one time or another. Robert Bruce labelled those anomalies "Reality Fluctuations". These differences between nonphysical and physical space can actually be used a clues to awaken a person into an OBE or a lucid dream.

Regards 
Grey

Hello Lionheart.
Leaving a dream, awakening and then deliberately reentering the same dream is a form of inducing a lucid dream known as W.I.L.D and that stands for a Wake Induced Lucid Dream. I have done this on occasion and it Is a lot of fun. There is some satisfaction from finishing an incomplete dream and setting things right.

Cheers 
Grey

Greetings and welcome EEthmane
There is indeed a Lot of videos about OBEs, NDEs and spirituality on youtube. In fact my list of videos to watch grows longer every day!

Regards  
Grey

Greetings KyleVonGore and welcome to AstralPulse.
You are quite right about this being a very active forum. In fact as far as I know this Is The most active forum. Let's hope that you like it here and decide to stay awhile.

Cheers 
Grey