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Mustardseed -

I thought you were a good Christian? Why are you attacking women? And yanking guys by their hair?

How would you like it if someone popped you in the face, to find out if you were real? Not very much.

It's no way to win friends. I see why you say they don't want to talk to you, or run away.

Surely you can find another way to distinguish between dream and astral. Have you ever thought of just asking?

This is no way to be using your abilities. You can't get away with doing whatever the hell you want out there.

It's like you're on some sort of astral crime-spree. Attacking people at random.

You're putting out a wave of negativity, and it will return back. It's like opening the door and giving permission to "negs."

Thanks Leyla, very interesting post, and point taken. I guess I never saw it like that but I will have to give this some consideration. To explain a bit more, it's like this. I have tried all the "talking to people" but is not very effective, and often I need an instant reaction. Actually I should clarify that mostly or actually always, at the moment I reach out toward someone the person in question always seem to have one of two reactions. A "real" person will either touch my hand or sort of duck a bit or look at the hand as it moves slowly toward them, or look at it obviously noticing it. Most don't mind, but comment on my move and I actually figure out what they are before I even touch them. The ones that don't are dream people and "not real" so i guess its to make sure, I do it. They seem to have no expression or anything. When I first started to experience this it was a surprise to me, and I just could not figure out what to do. These days I am getting pretty good at it. In any case I will take your correction to mind

Apart from that I would appreciate that you would keep my faith out of this equation. The way I see it it is just another attempt at making a slur at what I believe. I do not think that I put out a wave of negativity at all, as my motives are pretty pure and it seems that everyone understand that. It is interesting that in the astral no appearance of "goodness" is accepted you cant fake people out so to speak, everyone sees what your real motive is..something that is in my favor. As far as attracting negs It does not appear that I do.

In any case I guess my method is outdated and it is about time I find a better way so .........thanks

Regards Mustardseed

In my opinion you visited a astral region. I have visited many like the one you went to, with castles etc I even went to a roman fortress, in the company of a roman lady. I have also visited areas that were inhabited by more modern yet not year 2000 type of people. I think it is sort of a intermediate or belief system based environment, created by peoples feelings and hopes. A world like that seems to be a lower sort of level or intermediate where people first arrive to a place looking like what they left. Naturally a knight would be very distraught arriving in a place with cars and modern buildings. I would advise you to talk to the people there If you can keep your "balance" long enough and ask them where they live who they are and what they know about the place they inhabit.

Regards Mustardseed

nope I guess that makes me a boobman  pulling sweathers is what I meant, you take skirts if thats your fancy

Interesting question and one that I have been spending many many months figuring out. As Selski I also have successfully entered left and reentered various levels of the dream scape RTZ etc. After you get the hang of it is is not so difficult. I was however in doubt of what to do there as it seems that it is only my dream and then not "real"

This has changed after I have tried a few things. In this dream scape I tried to contact many people and test them. Dream people let me do what I want. ( I often get personal by pulling up a girls sweather, or pulling a boys hair) this is a test to see if they mind. If they are NOT dream people they will react very much like in real life, grab my hand protest and so forth. Then I will explain what I am doing and why, and proceed to the next one.

Some don't even want to talk to me and run away. I especially have one guy that has followed me in several projections. He is just outside my field of vision watching me. I know he is there now and sometimes I just turn real fast and talk to him. Then he sort of backs up and leaves. I expect he is another projector. On one occasion he lept off a bridge so I know he can both fly and breathe under water.

By the way flying is another good test. Most people in dream scape cannot fly, but are un impressed.

So far I have had some very interestingencounters in a area that is very close to what is called the Belief system territories/focus. In this specific town lives a lot of people that has committed suicide, they are not separated but living among many others, who seem to have terminated their own life by continued willfull intoxication resulting in death, over eating, smoking, druguse and even extreme sports. It seems to be people who have not heeded warnings and have continued in activities that resulted eventually in their death. I call it "Sadtown". It may be a bit misleading as they are not actually sad but just unemotional and have sort of accepted things. They smile and talk to me and so forth but I am very sad when I have been there as there is so much unused potential and sad destinies.

Anyway I am rambling

Regards Mustardseed

I'd certainly hope no one would kill for my belief system.
If they did, then they would be working completely contrary to the philosophies of "oneness" that I believe in.

Yea know how you feel. Some took my beliefsystem many centuries ago and started doing just what you fear and folks have been at it since, contrary to its tenants which are strictly nonviolent. It is so sad and a big problem because ever since, we who believe in it have been seen as warmongers and the like, and the true oneness of my faith seems to be ignored, in the light (or darkness) of the great evil that has been committed in its name.

Regards Mustardseed

With the greatest respect James in my opinion your faith is no different. Maybe YOU would not kill for it (I hope not) neither would I for mine yet there might be others who would, heavens gate etc comes to mind. You are not exempt from religion, you as all others have a beliefsystem that you adhere to and some guy might take that beliefsystem and kill for it

Regards Mustardseed

No worries, I am laughing so hard I have a hard time writing, especially loved the parrot. Incidentally my wife decided I was nuts and washed the wall with AJAX. I am still checking for the lady to return that would be the perfect test..........

Thanks to all for the "interpretations", and thank God for fun, this AP OBE stuff gets a bit too self serious at times.

Regards Mustardseed

Congratulations. Good for you See.............we told you

I have done that and soooo many other ways as well, sideways handstand on my head etc

Thanks Nay............finally :redface: I was starting to think I was ........well you know.........seeing things

Most amazing thing, another picture appeared after Lola posted here it is



kISS TO THE LOLA

OK Guys try to work with me. This is actually real to me. If you try to look at the picture she will "spring out" at ya. It is a female somewhat like Marlene Dietrich seen a bit from the side. She is beautiful and it is only her face. When I showed it to people they could not see it but suddenly someone did and almost fell off their chair. One guy had to leave and felt weird after he saw her.

Take another look

Ha I never felt disrespected good point about the mold, .............nah its OK but I must say that I see very clearly a woman's face maybe I am the only one. There does seem to be paranormal activity in the place. It was formerly occupied by a committed witch and heavy drug user/prostitute, and it seems that she has developed some pretty serious problems since leaving.

I am on guard, since that is my nature. Last night I developed astral sight after 20 min trance work, and suddenly a very large black spider size of a silver dollar appeared on my pillow at my right. It nearly scared the excrement out of me it was so close. I bashed it good and it went away. Later that same night I felt a very ominous dark presence, much like my old experiences with the "keepers", it was to my right, and in the shape of a smallish woman.

All together I am  not that hot on the place but it is also a bit interesting.

What do you think

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A couple of weeks ago I had 2 OBEs with a day between in which I met a woman here in my newly rented flat. Among other things I hugged her and told her she would be ok.

This week a mold spot started growing on the wall in the room where I talked to her, showing her picture how do I attach this picture to show it here?
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Well Ok then ........... I actually heard mine spoken to me during a channeling "your name shall be David Mustardseed". (I just saw Cainam that I beat you by 2........look at it just by 2, and you have a thing with 2's   )

Fanatics are the same the world over, Religious political, or humanist. The religion is the sheath not the knife

Ok Jimi, fair enough, but think about this....

What is it about people that makes them steal, rape, murder & hate?

BELIEFS!!!

Beliefs are at the very core of all our thoughts, actions and behaviours.
Everything we think, say or do is influenced by what we believe.

So with that in mind, think about what religions have done for people's beliefs.

Blseeings,
James.

Hi James,

I thought a lot about whether to answer you and decided to do so. I find your statement very problematic and one sided, and not at all in line with your normal well thought out arguments.  

If Religion causes rape murder and hate, then logically speaking there should be no Mother Theresa's in the world, every religious person would be a monster. This statement and the implications is erroneous.

Pride, greed and ego is what causes these things, not religion. When you state things like that you come across as biased, and though I understand your view on organized religion, yet still........ your statements are wrong

Regards Mustardseed

Like the Americans says "Guns don't kill people , people kill people"

Dear Friend

Thanks for the reply. Your answer, and the way you answered it, is my own best personal reason for believing in universal reconciliation.

You see my friend, it is obvious at least to me that you grasping at a straw, and that you are actually twisting the scriptures to make it appear, that you, who know Christ at this moment, are the only ones who deserve to be saved.

Besides the fact that it makes absolutely no sense, that God should create something and then take pleasure in destroying it, what it does, is promote fear and elitism, a sort of Superior feeling that goes against everything reasonable in life. Young Christians like yourself are so easily lead astray, mostly because you, in your pride, actually "feel good" to be part of the club, and often you end up living your lives in a sort of dazed "spoiled brat" kind of way, a bit like Americans in general.

You just feel so good about yourself and your own Christianity (Americanism?) that you never actually take the time to pray and deeply think about things. You feed on the easy answers, right off the appropriate websites, making it obvious that you never actually took the time to really consider things deeply. Getting answers becomes a sort of fast food thing, where all you are interested in is arguing a all ready accepted and believed point. So you take the easy route, ask what all the others believe and hang with that   .

In discussing theology in a serious manner, you have to actually CONSIDER the points brought to the table. You actually have to see if these things "be so". It is not enough to dismiss thoughts and scriptures by stating that "that's not what they mean". Universal Reconciliation is a very strong argument theologically, it is based on scriptures, many scriptures at that, and it makes sense as well.

Besides that, and this is my own experience, in the spirit things are different than in Church. There are so many things you  dont know yet my suggestion is that you break the mold and start thinking for yourself, you could begin by asking God about this question and then really research it.

Consider this argument By Thomas Talbott and take a look at his page

            A simple argument for universalism

Suppose that Christ commanded that we love our enemies and love our neighbor even as we love ourselves because such love is an essential condition of blessedness or supreme happiness.  If this is true, as I believe it is, then God could not possibly bring blessedness to one person without also bringing it to all.
Here is why. If I truly love my daughter even as I love myself, then her interests and my own are so tightly interwoven as to be logically inseparable: any good that befalls her is then a good that befalls me, and any evil that befalls her is likewise an evil that befalls me. I could never be happy, for example, knowing that my daughter is suffering or in a miserable condition--unless, of course, I could somehow believe that all will be well for her in the end. But if I cannot believe this, if I were to believe instead that she had been lost to me forever--even if I were to believe that, by her own will, she had made herself intolerably evil--my own happiness could never be complete. For I would always know what could have been, and I would always experience this as a terrible tragedy and an unacceptable loss, one for which no compensation is even conceivable. Is it any wonder, then, that Paul could say concerning his unbelieving brothers and sisters whom he loved so much: "For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people" (Romans 9:3)? From the perspective of his love, in other words, Paul's own damnation would be no worse an evil, and no greater threat to his own happiness, than the eternal damnation of his loved ones would be.

God could make us "happy" whilst our loved ones suffered in hell only in two possible ways: either by concealing from us the magnitude of the tragedy (blissful ignorance), or by giving us a callous and stony heart, so that we no longer truly loved those who were lost. Both of these possibilities, however, are incompatible with true blessedness. So in the end, it is logically impossible for God to bring blessedness to one person without also bringing it to all

http://www.willamette.edu/~ttalbott/theol.html

I am not saying that my beliefs have to be yours, but they have to become part of your considerations. It is your job to weigh the scriptures, to consider to ponder in your heart, you yourself, so I hope that you will do that.

The net is chuck full of religious Church Christians who believe that they alone have the answer. They are secluded in their "blessing" of being saved, supporting church of horribly cruel individuals who are so self righteous it hurts, much like the scribes and Pharisees mentioned so often in the Bible

Think about it.


Regards Mustardseed

Yesterday I had an amazing experience relating to this subject. It is one of the greatest and most wonderful experiences I ever had. It is here from my diary. Comments are well come.


21-6-06
Slept on my left side as I wanted to exit. That works best for me. After having drifted for 20 min, I had to cough, and became very alert, as I was laying there quietly after having coughed, the vibrations started coming. Suddenly my whole body started to relax and I began to fall and suddenly I had astral sight. I raised my right hand out of my body and stood up easily. Everything was peaceful and calm. I decided to make sure I was in my room. There was a book on the table beside the bed on the front of it. It said something in Latin, "bacilum comcillium" or something like it. I looked through the book but could not read it, think it was in Latin or something. I realized I was not in my own room. There was a window at the left, a door across from it and also another door to the right of the bed. The window had no glass pane. The sun was shining through the window. I went out the door and came into a small hall, went right and found myself in the street. It was a small street with a pedestrian walkway at each side. The feeling in this place was very peace full and uncannily calm. It was not the golden light that I have seen so often, but more a clear summer day feeling, and as soon as I was in the street I got sucked back. As I got sucked back in my body I thought that was it, felt very happy, but the vibrations started right away again.

This time I also came out of my body easily with no break in consciousness and was in the same room. This time I decided to do something different, and go through the other door and as I did I came into a small hallway. It looked like a pension. It led toward a glass door maybe 20m. I wanted to have some fun and started running toward the door and dove right through the glass into the street. I busted into the middle of the street and lifted my hands and started to praise God in a very strange song. I was singing all about praise and thanking God, very strange actually, the words just kept coming to me, while I was twirling and then I started to levitate and rise toward the sky with my hands held up  to the sky. As I gained altitude I noticed a band who was practicing on the balcony or the top of a building to my left. They saw me and got very exited. I don't know why but I had the feeling they were having some sort of service or something because they were all in white. As I raised above them they were looking at me excitedly and kept playing. Then I got succeed back again.

It was very exiting. I just laid real still and as expected the vibrations came again after few seconds. Again I was in the same room, the book was on the table. This time I went out the window. I just crawled out into the street and went toward a small shop, coming up on the right side of the street. It was a baker and there were lots of people going in and out. A girl was on her way out and looked straight at me smiling. She was my height, reddish short hair and wore, a dark sort of trench coat, she started to walk down the road and I walked with her. As we walked quietly I asked her. "Am I in heaven"? She smiled mysteriously and said "yes, but in this place we all came here by our own hand". It was obvious she communicated to me that everyone here were suicide victims. I asked her "does that mean that I am going to one day commit suicide". She turned toward me and smiled and said "no" with a big smile, I asked is there another place, she kept walking and started to talk excitedly, it was very mysterious she said something like "oh yes in Ra aum ....wow the things that is happening there it are wonder full", the impression was that she had knowledge of a different location, and what was happening in this different location, but could not go there.

As we walked down the road, it turned left and slightly down hill, and we passed a man in a black dune jacket and wearing a knitted black hat, and sun glasses. He was very surprised to see me, almost stunned. He did not look at me. I wanted to talk more to her but as soon as we had passed him, he turned and came back to us. He had pulled his hat down and his jacket up so only his glasses were visible. He was very exited and grabbed my arm and tugged at it, but I did not want to talk to him. It was as if he was very insistent and kept tugging at me as if he just had to talk to me, the tugging was irritating and I started to feel my arm and was reminded of my body and started to have the vibrations, I kept looking at the girl and she kept smiling at me as I felt them getting stronger and she faded. I was back in my body immediately and this time I did not want to go again. I got up to write my diary. (end diary)

I was so exited and happy. It was as if I was floating on a cloud and coming back was a big let down. The feeling stayed with me for a few hours. A feeling of peace and assurance, as well as excitement. I felt like I had seen something wonderful and her face kept coming to me.

Explain this

"Indeed, God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him." (John 3:17)

"Therefore, just as one man's [Adam's] trespass led to condemnation for all, so one man's [Christ's] act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all." Rom. 5:18

"For God has imprisoned all in disobedience so that he may be merciful to all." (Rom. 11:32)

"For as all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ." (1 Cor. 15:22)

"He [God] has made known to us the mystery of his will ... as a plan for the fullness of time, to gather up all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth." (Eph. 1:9, 10)

"Therefore God also highly exalted him and gave him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father." (Phil. 2:9-10)

"... through him God was pleased to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, by making peace through the blood of his cross." (Col. 19-20)

"Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, singing, 'To the one seated on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever.'" (Rev. 5:13)

Then follow this link  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_reconciliation

And use the "see also"

Let me know what you think. It is always nice to be the who belong alone to the club.

Trust me I know

Dear Beth

Thanks for the time you take writing such long posts. There is a lot to read so I will take some time to do so and get back to you about it.

I do hope you understand my dilemma. As I said before, at 50, and with a very real life to live, kids responsibilities etc I will most likely remain a layman and forgo a university degree, and I see a different route for me than the one you decided on. I do as I said applaud you for doing what you did, a very courageous thing.

As far as attacking each other, I suggest we leave that issue then, I did apologize as I believe that you were right in mentioning that your motives had nothing to do with the question, I ask that you grant me the same freedom, to pursue the path of truth without being harassed as "religious nut" or whatever.

I will remind you that when we first met, as I also mentioned before, the tone in the posts were quite, aggressive toward Christians, here on the pulse. I feel I was being drawn into a confrontation by rhetoric, and a very unkind criticism of my person, something that is still happening here on the pulse from time to time. I should probably have turned the other cheek but my Scorpio sense of injustice and my pride got the best of me and I answered in like manner. This is hoe we as humans often launch out at each other, in selfdefence.

In any case it is something I am trying hard to be on guard about in this thread, as I assume you realize.

About the article, I agree that it was very troubling to me as well, that the person who wrote it was so sarcastic, and assumed so many things about the author in question. However I felt it had some validity, in regards to the historical findings.

I realize also, that I am out of my league, and debating an issue that I really do not know that much about, at least not compared to you. This was never a question, I always realized that, yet I am trying to research for my own benefit as much as I can. It does give some problems as I can not argue with the ease you do. I hardly understand what the articles say, and have to use a dictionary all the time when reading them. Ha

In any case I have a very unique alternative route that I can take, and I think I will try that. I will explain that later.  For now thanks for the homework, and all the best to you.

Regards Mustardseed

I just read this interesting article, and have cut and pasted a part. My point is this Beth. The issue we are debating is being debated by people in many fora, It is a controversial issue and seeing it is being debated for and against by very knowledgeable people I would not consider either side conclusive. All I have is the Internet. You have your considerable knowledge and I am forced to debate with various articles. I am still trying to read it all but it is time consuming and as I said there is soo much written on either side. .

.......... considerable disagreement exists among archaeologists on how to interpret many recent finds. And the new theories about ancient Israel are emerging against the backdrop of a raging dispute over the biblical "minimalists," a group of scholars who argue that biblical accounts of early Israel, including the stories of David and Solomon, have little, if any, basis in history.

(This debate was recently fought out in a lively issue of the Biblical Archeology Review, a bimonthly magazine published in Washington, in which one of the minimalists, the British scholar Philip Davies, wrote that biblical accounts of early Israel were purely theological, not historical. In response, a major critic of the minimalists, the American archaeologist William Dever, wrote that ample physical evidence pointed to early Israelites living in the region's highlands 3,200 years ago, two centuries before the time of David and Solomon.)

But if many archaeologists are far less interested in trying to corroborate the exact biblical accounts than in how the area's ancient history fits into the larger picture of the Middle East, that change of perspective, Marcus said, reflects an intellectual shift among the people doing the digging.

Many current archaeologists, she said, were born in modern Israel and don't need a link to the biblical King David to think of themselves as part of the Israeli nation: "They see themselves as part of the broader Middle East."

Yet while archaeology is challenging some of the biblical narrative, it is also adding to it. At Megiddo, Finkelstein said, he found that the period 2,900 years ago -- the century following the rule of Solomon -- was a far more interesting and powerful time for the Kingdom of Israel than the Bible says.

Another tantalizing discovery, in 1993, turned up a stele with an inscription referring to the "House of David," the first real evidence that refers to the biblical king. Still other recent excavations have provided compelling new evidence about the lives of the residents of Jerusalem 2,600 years ago, when they were besieged by the Babylonian army, and about the nearby people of ancient Judah who did not go into exile in Babylon.

Marcus said that such discoveries illustrate how archaeology can restore information "left on the cutting room floor," as it were, by those who compiled the biblical narrative. "Archaeology is giving you back all this history," she said. "So archaeology doesn't just deconstruct the Bible, but reconstructs it."

It is such a vast and very complex issue, and I remain undecided, I listen to you but I do not think I need to decide either way. As you suggested I will just keep on doing what I do.

Regards Mustardseed