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[it has nothing to do with Psychic Attacks.]

quote:Originally posted by need

Isn'tit too shallow to think that just by being positive, then positivity will return to you. If you're negative then you'll receive same.

This is something for the Philisophical Forum. And while i tend to agree with the main thrust of it, it has nothing to do with Psychic Attacks. You wont stop a psychic attack just by being positive. Saying so seems to imply that all psychic attacks are caused by whether one is negative or positive (which inlcudes a hidden accusation that "its all your fault you are under attack for being negative". which is a ridiculous assumption.

Rober Bruce has come under many attacks for varying reasons. Are we to assume he is a negative person then?

quote:Originally posted by Tayesin

The great souls that we are did make these agreements to help supply and be a part of all experiences we have,  and the proof that this is so is that it happens.  If this were not the case then none of it could happen.

This is not a proof, just bad logic coupled with an almost dogmatic doctrine. How do you know what you may have agreed to before incarnation? Who told you this?

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The same applies to our connections with Guides, it is a contracted agreement we made before incarnating to this world.

Ah "the Guides" told you this did they? May i ask if you have a spirit guide?

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So the neg that attacks you is only able to do so because we allowed it to be by the contracts we made,

This idea sounds just like something a clever neg would come up with. So its possible for me to go up to someone with a gun and say "oh by the way we agreed that i could murder you before we were incarnated, sorry that you dont agree with that or even remember but thats my belief." If it wasn't agreed to i couldnt possibly be able to pull the trigger according to what you are saying could i? Dont you see how dangerous that kind of belief is? Are you saying that Hitlers beliefs that he was destined to do what he did are correct?

Perhaps all those millions of Jews would disagree too. Saying that the victims of the Holocaust somehow agreed to be murdered is similar to being a holocaust denyer.

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and so the questions to ask are, What am I to learn from this contract?  Is this neg helping me to face my fears and misconceptions head on?  Am I going to be a victim or am I going to be empowered and learn from this experience ?  Lottsa choices there.

You obviously have not come face to face with a serious neg attack. Noone in their right mind would consider such torture as something beneficial or even desired. Many lives have been, and are being, messed up by negs. Whats beneficial about that?

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By taking responsibility for the part we play in what we experience we are empowering ourselves so that we no longer see ourselves as victims.

Right, how about i introduce you to a 9 year old kid that has been sexually abused and you repeat that sentence to him/her? I find it ridiculous that any sane person would even consider it.

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And it is the seeing ourselves as the victim that keeps us in that concept's mind-set, unable to be free from it until we see clearly and choose to do otherwise.

While i agree with part of this, i still disagree with the New Age view that the victim somehow agreed (before incarnation- something that can not be proven) to being victimised to start with. Why cause more suffering, why would anyone choose to suffer? Do Africans choose to starve? How about i take you to Africa where you can preach to them that its all because of some pre-incarnation contract that they are suffering? What do you think their reaction might be?

quote:Originally posted by Tayesin
 Since we did choose the various things that we have experienced so far in life, including all the millions of choices in all the moments that we have made.  So we are responsible for these things from that perspective.

I'm sorry but this is just a philisophical/spiritual viewpoint that is verging towards dogma. None of what you just said can be proven. Do nine year old children *choose to be raped*? I think not. Its ridiculous to even suggest such a thing and is insensitive to those who have suffered such things. It even suggest to the victim that they should feel guilty about being a victim because its what they chose to do, when obviously they didnt. Guilt is one of the ways negs eat into people because of the negative emotions it produces.

quote:Originally posted by James S
No McArthur, it's because this is a real life situation with real life consequences. Nowhere in the article is there anything mentioned about neg attacks. It's not about neg atacks - its about negativity.

Well that was partly the point i was making. Negativity may not have anything to do with psychic attacks or vice versa.

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Think about it, for every one person out there that has had genuine issues with negative spiritual entities, there are a dozen more who's only demons are their own pessimistic perceptions.

And how does one tell the difference between the two? I see what you are saying as a *balanced* approach but the article posted in this thread, as i pointed out in my first response, does not include the possibility that negs exist. It is basically saying to any new poster here, "There are no negs, all your negativity is your own fault, tough luck buster, sort your own s*** out on your own."

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They're not sure what's causing their problems, they come onto a site like this and read about negs, then human nature leads them to that giant leap to the conclusion it must all be because of negs.

No i'm sorry but i disagree. I think people are more intelligent than you make them out to be.

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We're all terribly well aware that negs do exist,

Are we? That is a very genral sweeping statement that i dare say you can not prove. MOST people dont even know ANYTHING about negs. The article posted in this thread (i'll say again) denies the very possibility of them. And denial aint a river in Egypt.

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and they can cause some serious damage, but to start defining every negative situation or outlook to being the result of negative spiritual entities

Who exactly is doing that? I certainly am not. Read my post where i say that just because someone is negative about life does not mean they are under psychic attack. What made you say that?

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puts us smack dab in the middle of the whole evangelical penticostal christian thing where personal responsibilities for situations are removed because there's bound to be some demon that's been pre-defined as being the reason for the problems.

Do i see a tinge of Anti-Christian hatred in there somewhere? There is a saying amongst some Christian friends of mine that the greatest deception the "Devil" ever achieved was getting people to believe he didnt exist. This can be likened to the way a lot of people dont even know about negs or what they may be up to.

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Negative entities cause negative situations, but not all negative situations are caused by negative entities.

I agree, ive already said that in a previous post.

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Articles like this are useful because we need to seek that point of balance -

I'm sorry but i still say the article is not helping BECAUSE *it does not take a balanced approach*. It does not even entertain the possibility that negs exist. And im sure the author did not write it in response to people being attacked by negs but *for people who are being negative*. Can you not see that important difference?

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learn to be able to make a more educated analysis as to whether a problem really is internal or external.

But the article *does not do that* though. It blames it on the victim with no alternative, balanced, explanation. It basically says "Its all internal" with no balancing views of the other possibility of negs.

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Therapists would have you believe that all such problems are internal. Some mystics, psychics or ministers would have you believe its all external. Lets not keep charging over that middle ground on our way from one side of the field to the other.

Nowhere did i say its all either internal or external. I made this clear when i said;

"Just because someone is being negative about life does not mean they are under psychic attack (which is what this forum is for). And just because someone is experiencing psychic attack does not mean they will automatically be negative."

quote:Originally posted by Nay
And I will not be pulled into your hate and anger.  

Its always someone else with the hate and anger isnt it? There was no hate whatsoever in my post. Why you would think so is beyond me. If you cant see the reasons why i responded to this thread then fine, but please dont try to make out "its all my fault" you were being spiteful.

quote:Originally posted by Nay
Perhaps it is because of my way of thinking?

ok, look. If that works for you then great, more power to your elbow i say. And i mean it. But what has worked for you may not work for someone else. Each persons experiences are different and what works for one may not work for another.  If you are being raped, just changing your way of thinking isnt going to stop it is it?

There are varying levels of psychic attack from the mild to the downright evil life-threatening ones.

Just because someone is being negative about life does not mean they are under psychic attack (which is what this forum is for). And just because someone is experiencing psychic attack does not mean they will automatically be negative.

If you have really had a serious neg/demon experience and recovered (i know nothing of your experiences) from it then i fail to understand how you can be so negative towards others who may be experiencing similar suffering.

Judgeing people experiencing serious neg problems and pointing fingers at them while they are under psychic attack just isn't going to be of any help. And that is putting it mildly.

quote:Originally posted by Nay

I have had a few problems with negs, and dealt with them, then was on my happy way once again.

I am glad you have solvd your own problems and are now happy with your life, good for you. But that still does not give you the right to go pointing fingers at those who are still suffering. Your tone doesn't sound like you are being helpful, its sounds smarmy.

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Well, I hope you read the post again, but keep a open mind this time and oh, be honest with yourself, and ask..."why in the world did I get so defensive and angry?"

I ripped the article apart because i felt a duty to do so and to show that its not really going to be helpful to those suffering neg problems. Read my other post above about my friend also.

quote:Perhaps you do not know how to go about improving your situation? Or are you one of those people who relish the thought of gaining sympathy over and over again from those in supportive and loving proximity?

I have more to say on this part. I have a gay friend who was abused by his Mother as a child (locking him in the cellar; tying him to a chair; and other nasty things) and who was also raped by two youths when he was nine years old. He is pretty messed up because of it and is what can be called "an attention seeker". He has psychological scars that affect him even to this day. He is also what might be termed by some as a psychic vampire on occasions.

Sometimes when hes drunk i have to use the "tough love" approach but i never, ever, accuse him of being the one responsible for his childhood abuse. Many many times ive tried to give him healing. Holding him and inwardly saying "take as much energy as you need, its ok." Being judgemental about his situation, i know for a fact, would not help him *whatsoever*. It would probably make matters worse than they already are. And i'll bet that any of the Therapists he has seen over the years has never said to him the kind of things said in the above article, for OBVIOUS reasons.

So after reading this article perhaps i'm not really helping him at all then am i?

Oh isnt it easy to spot those who have never had a serious neg problem. How to spot them is easy, they tend to be very judemental about the subject because they dont understand whats really going on. Comments inserted.

quote:Originally posted by Nay

We are not going to beat about the bush in our exposing of the realistic facts - seek not for sympathy to your aches and pains - for this sympathy, no matter how well meant,  is not going to help you at all -

Having empathy for those who are suffering is part of what makes us Human. Is she saying we should stop doing so?

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on the contrary, it will merely feed your ongoing situation of self imposed negativity,

Aye and theres the rub. This article does not belong here because it automatically excludes the possibility that negs exist and may be a main factor as to why the person is experiencing such levels of negativity. I get attacked by a demon and its my fault is it?

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and will, in the long run be of more destructive value to you.  If I want to be of any constructive help to you at all, it is going to have to happen by attempting to bring a certain realisation to you, of what you actually are experiencing

It always amazes me how someone can make broad generalizations about someone elses experiences without ever even meeting them! lol too funny.

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Whenever something flourishes and becomes abundant, it is merely because sufficient, consistent and ongoing  nourishment has been given to it.  Thus too is the case with negative thoughts. We all know that we have a choice to be of either negative stance or positive stance.  So what is keeping you in the darkness of your own negativity?

"Its all your fault you are being tortured." What a loving and helpfully positive thing to say. But as i say, this article does not belong here because it does not take into account that there may be various circumstances the author does not even seem to be taking into consideration. i.e. negs.

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Do you really enjoy being there, and thus do not seek to do something about it?

This is the clincher really. Those on this forum who believe they have a neg problem (rightly or wrongly) are here SEEKING HELP in order to "do something about it." Being judgemental against those who are suffering and seeking help is not a very positive thing is it? In fact its the opposite and certainly isn't helping anyone but those with an axe to grind who obviously do not have a serious neg problem.

If you had ever lived under a serious neg problem or serious psychic attack, believe me, it certainly makes you more empathic towards others suffering and probably less judgemental.

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 Perhaps you do not know how to go about improving your situation?  Or are you one of those people who relish the thought of gaining sympathy over and over again from those in supportive and loving proximity?

Oh gee. Have you never heard the phrase "Judge ye not etc?". There may be the occasional person like this but i certainly disagree that *anyone* (including the author of this article) is able to judge *everyone elses* situation. With all this finger pointing perhaps the author should realise that as you point a finger at someone you have three pointing back at yourself. And some people having psychic attack will probably never tell anyone because negs will try to keep them from posting their problems to others and therefore seeking help in getting rid of them. Posts and articles like this are a prime example of how to put off neg victims from opening up to others to seek help.

(snips some because im getting tired of commenting, i think my point is already made.)

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The choice of being negative is yours - keep it if you will. But if you do, keep it to yourself, for it is of your deliberate making. It is not a fair practise to expect others to constantly give of themselves towards a situation, which you yourself do not seek to remedy.

More judgemental attitudes with no empathy whatsoever. Is this person actually a human or what? And if people are in this forum posting about possible neg problems then *of course* they are seeking to remedy it.

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The key to success is to stop thinking negatively. It really is that simple!

*rolls eyes* Uh huh, sure it is. Try experiencing a strong full blown neg attack and stopping it with positive thought. *shakes head* Some people just haven't a clue.

Why are you people posting this stuff in this forum? Are you doing it to help or because you are actually being petty and vindictive? Think about that question for a while.

*pause*

If you dont like the subject of negs and/or are not here to help then why bother coming to this part of the forums at all? You're not helping with articles like this and its obvious to anyone who knows even a little tiny bit about this subject that you are lucky enough not to have suffered under the Iron Heel of negs. Good for you, but please try to take a step back and think about why you are criticising those who are suffering by saying "Its all your fault!".

I also have had direct attacks after posting in some places when conversing about negs. I have yet to see any convincing evidence that the attack comes from anywhere but a neg that is *already* resident in/close to the person experiencing the attack.

These critters really dont like people noseying about in their business because it could be detrimental to them in the long term. What better way to put someone off talking about them and ways of dealing with them than to attack those doing so? Like aversion therapy/mind control really.

I tend to take the view that if there is an attack then something you are saying or reeading must be scaring them to do so (although this may not always be the case). After i posted here yesterday i had a fairly strong attack and a succubus experience in my dream this morning. I managed to wake up (as i tend to do these days if i get an erotic dream - although you have to be real quick!) before i actually orgasmed and could feel the little bugger messing with my base chakra.

Heh well it would be hard for anyone to force anything onto me to be honest. And it seems SD is taking my posts ok so far. Nothing from anyone else yet though. The forums have changed a LOT and ive not been on for a while. Seems i have some catching up to do with the new forums such as the channeling one....  ive read Mustardseeds one about halfway and am really enjoying it!

So SD pm me if you like. Like you said Dk i need to read the whole thread but its 12 pages looooong!

p.s. also i am interested in what psychic abilities she has. If i was to give you a picture of myself would she be able to give me any information about myself from the picture? Thanks.

quote:Originally posted by SpectralDragon
This IS only fair [] Very well, I already did the month thing with Kereen. She did not like the idea (for reasons I will not explain, but it was not the "we have divine" stuff that you were talking about) but she agreed because at the time I had to sort myself out (long story) So that's a plus there.

OK i have a few questions if you or Kereen don't mind. Can you describe to me what Kereen actually is and what purpose she holds as your spirit guide?

Also i am interested in why you "already did the month thing" and why she "did not like the idea". It seems you are reluctant to share this which in itself, in the interest of seeking Truth, does not bode well for our tests. Could you ask her if she would be prepared to do a 3 month test without you? And if not, why not. What reason? Also ask her why you need her, what is the answer?

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228...hmmm let's see what she says... she's luaghing. Don't know why.

Could you ask her why she laughed please. Why would she laugh and not tell you why?

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Sorry seems like she thinks this is misguided a bit or something.

Oh really? Thats interesting. Ask her if she knows what the sacred number of Jesus is for me please. Its not 228 but i want to know if she knows the connection.

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Has to do with Chaos Math I know (and am getting) that much.

Can she be more specific please. Vagueness is a trait of a neg that knows very little but knows how to confuse.

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Also, she said "you need to come up with better tests, negs do so like to act like the real thing."

Of course she would say that, isnt that what i said in my post?

Is there somewhere where you describe your spirit guide experience in detail on these forums so i can get a better idea of who/what Kereen is please? (ive not read this whole thread yet-- its so long!)

quote:Originally posted by Dark Knight

 The other is the concept that a guide can and will do anything to you (no boundaries whatsoever) to teach you a lesson, including lying.

If that is a concept that has been put to you then you are right not to trust those who have done so. YOU are the Master of your own body and Mind, NOT some other entity claiming to be your "spirit guide". Anyone who tells you otherwise is being used as a tool to recruit more food by negs.

Why would we need a spirit guide to help us to experience existence? Are we not each capable of living our own lives and learning our own lessons without interference from "spirits"? Life is short, live it and enjoy it if you can, we will all be dead ourselves sooner or later and able to see what knowledge the spiritual realms have to offer at that point in our Journey.

I made a big mistake when i trusted a spirit that claimed to be my spirit guide quite some time ago. Oh it was polite at first and claimed to offer Ancient Knowledge etc etc (the usual ploy) but when i asked it to be quiet (it would constantly TALK keeping me up late at nights making me listen to what it had to say - all the while feeding off my attention (where the attention goes the enegy flows)) it soon got nasty because it knew i was wising up to its game. Long story but ever since then, after learning MYSELF from that mistake, i have been suspicious about these so-called "spirit-guides" because it is far too easy to fall into the trap of a neg pretending to be one.

And you will find, if you watch those with "spirit guides" closely that there is a general pattern to them. One is that their guides claim to be giving them information no-one else has which plays on ones ego's need to feel self-important. Its a "Oh i have a guide so i must be spiritually mature, i have been chosen! Oh wow how amazing!" Having a "spirit guide" amongst the New Age gurus (and they are ten a penny) is looked on as some kind of status symbol. And negs know that and play into the gullable using all this.

And anyone who suggest you use a pendulum to call spirits is giving very dangerous teachings indeed! Do NOT call these spirits unless you absolutely KNOW what you are doing. People tend to think (as i did before i learned my hard lesson) that if something is a "spirit" non-physical it must be more knowledgable than us and also people associate spirits to "spiritual realms" i.e. Heaven. Well these same folks need to learn that just because your'e "dead" don't mean you are nice!

I'm betting that there will be no comments to my posts by any "spirit guides" because they know i will be able to spot a faker straight away. Lets wait and see. Any takers?

[Ask it, "Are you my spirit guide?" and it will answer you as if it were your spirit guide.Ask it, "Are you an alien?" and it will immediately draw from the client's memory to fabricate extra-terrestrial stories.]

I couldnt read this entire thread because i find it hard to read these so-called "channellings" from negs/unclean spirits/astral shells. *shivers*

Dont you people realize that an unclean spirit will pretend to be ANYTHING so long as you allow it to keep feeding off your attention/energy?

But from what i have read here it seems that some here (or the negs they are host to) are attempting to recruit other gullable persons to allow these spirits (by inviting them in) to come feed. So im going to have some questions for your "spirit guides" if they are prepared to answer. After all, the Bible says to "test your spirits" so i feel that any positive spirit surely wont mind being tested right?

Here is test No.1: Tell the spirit that you have decided you want it to leave for exactly 1 month and make no contact with you WHATSOEVER during this time. If it refuses or comes up with an excuse such as "I am not able to do that because we have important work to do to fulfil Divine Plans" then you can be sure its a neg. Any positive helpful spirit will understand your wishes and do as asked.


Not all negs will cause negative symptoms. So long as they get to feed on your attention why would they? Some negs feed by giving their victim an orgasm. feels good eh but its still a form of vampirism.

I will have more to say on this soon (and after i have read the whole thread) i'm just so shocked at present how gullable some people really are. You can choose to take my post as being negative if you like, and i'll certainly be interested in what any of your "guides" have to say- so fire away. I do realize that this post may seem slightly antagonistic but thats because i really dont like negs.

Here is a question for anyone with a guide: Ask it what the special meaning of the number 228 is. If it is a guide with contacts Higher up it will know.


Try this link; http://www.clairvision.org/CKB/CKBC/CKBC_000_077/Index.html

Here is a couple from the FAQ;

From: Could some entities be extra terrestrials or related to them?

"All jokes aside, if there is one thing that has emerged from the Clairvision exploration of entities, it is that you can never believe what they tell you. Entities exist on a fluid, changing level. They can easily modify their appearance, and the 'feel' attached to them. They are ready to play all sorts of games. And they are always looking for someone to buy into their game, because it is their best chance of survival."

From: You say that entities are not evil. How do you reconcile this with other people's reports of demonic entities?

"Entities have a chameleon nature.

Once you identify an entity, the entity will try hard to make you believe you can't live without it, or that it is so powerful that there is no chance you will ever get rid of it.

The reason is simple: if you clear it, it loses its life support system. Fragments (by far the most common category of entities) are unable to survive by themselves. In most cases, when a fragment is expelled from its host, its only chance of survival is to find another host in a matter of days or weeks.

So when the client consciously gets in touch with the entity, the entity is ready to play all sorts of games to 'extend its visa', so to speak. Give the entity a lead, and it will follow it. Ask it, "Are you evil?" and it will answer you, "Yes! More evil than you can possibly imagine."

Ask it, "Are you my spirit guide?" and it will answer you as if it were your spirit guide.

Ask it, "Are you an alien?" and it will immediately draw from the client's memory to fabricate extra-terrestrial stories.

This is one of the reasons why entities appear different in different cultural and religious contexts.

In the Clairvision style of work, entities are reduced to their smallest denominator. They are not given much chance to build up stories. Their wantings are analysed with as little 'wrapping' as possible, keeping the story side to the strictest minimum. Then they are cleared."

p.s. Some of my posts regarding EM fields and their use against Schizophrenia may be of relevence here also.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4474&SearchTerms=em,fields

quote:Originally posted by Matthew Kingsley

 It's an intrusive
disorder that as you can imagine is complex due to etheric or subtle bodies
receiving information being superimposed on normal waking consciousness.

Well said. It is said that the only difference between a Shaman and a Psychotic is that the Shaman induces the eposides purposefully and is able to control them.

Nescaya, here is something you can try. Contact Leo Rutherford from this site http://www.shamanism.co.uk/index.htm  and ask him for the contact number of Peter Aziz who i found to be helpful and knows what he is doing regarding exorcisms and removing spirits from peoples Auras (or perhaps tell Leo your situation and ask what other contacts he has that may be able to help.)

[8D] I've been a bit busy. [] And if you have a few hundred years to spare i may tell the story one day.

I just saw this on the BBC website, i thought the bit at the end was interesting;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3098230.stm

Treatment side-effect

He added: "I come at this from the point of view of asking whether there is really a phenomenon here to look at.

"It is of interest because the brain may not be functioning when it happens... but we need real data."

Swiss doctors have previously managed to trigger out-of-body visions by stimulating the brain.

The researchers used electrodes to excite the angular gyrus in the right cortex of a patient.

The doctors did not set out to achieve the effect - it occurred when they were treating a women for epilepsy.

There doesn't seem to be an email addy for Lynn either so i hope she comes back and fights off the (neg induced?) frustration she seems to be experiencing because this Forum is probably the best one around for this kind of topic.

I contacted Robert about the story i mentioned and he remembered the name of it and sent me a copy. I did a quick google search and managed to find a cached copy for those interested in reading it. Here's the snippet i was on about;

"I  saw  this Sharky, followed by two smaller beings, come through the wall of the boy's room that formed part of the lounge wall. He appeared  to be the boss, as the others seemed to defer  to him.   With my astral vision they looked as if they were  made  of pale, dense smoke.  Daniel saw them too, his eyes misted over  and his  shoulders  drooped.  He perked up a  little  though,  when  I described  them to him.  Knowing I could see them too,  an  adult, made him feel a little more secure.

Sharky appeared as a large, pot bellied man, with shoulder length white  hair and a big white beard covering his face.  He looked  a lot  like an out of uniform Father Christmas.  The kids must  have really  loved this!  I thought it was pretty sick myself.  A  cold shiver  passed  through me as I wondered what his  true  form  was like.

The  smaller entities were half formed humanoid things about three feet  tall.  When I first saw them I mistakenly thought they  were children.  They had delicate bodies with skinny little arms, large oval heads, long thin necks, small round, toothless mouths, a hole with  a sort of webbed membrane over it where the nose should have been  and  huge, round, sunken milky eyes with no eyelids.   Their bodies were loosely covered with thin, papery skin full of red and blue  ropy veins on the outside.  These, I now know, are symbiotic parasites  in the pre-formative stage.  I also know now  that  you don't  mess  with symbionts unless you know exactly what  you  are doing,  which  I didn't at the time.  They are highly intelligent, powerful beings and can be extremely dangerous if confronted."

And the link: http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:pVOIZ7Q86YoJ:hem.passagen.se/witchy/Dai/upplrobknights.htm+%22astral+knights%22+bruce&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Hi Lynn, ive sent you a PM with my email address if you need someone to talk to and share stories and experiences. I have had similar experiences going on for about 6 years now.

Something that struck me in one of your posts was the following;

Every time I do, he's dressed as Santa Claus and has two little boys with him.

This reminds me of a Robert Bruce story where he is trying to help a young boy being pestered by negs. In the story, as he is interviewing the boy, a neg dressed as Santa Claus with two (symbiotic) elf type creatures walks through a portal in the wall. Your description seems to me to be more than just a coincidence.

Does anyone reading this know if this RB story is still online somewhere?

Also, i wouldn't believe anything you are told by these entities, especially all that past-life stuff you were shown. This is designed to confuse you and wear you down. Sometimes they will tell you one thing and then deliberately contradict it. This again is just a confusion technique, try to ignore it and/or not listen to what they have to say.

You are not alone, keep fighting.

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Anyway, email me if you like or respond on here.

Well, to carry on from the last two posts. I originally called the short story "Teachings from a Fly" but maybe i should change that to "Teachings from a Mayan Goddess."

As a minor coincidence i was re-reading parts of a book today at random and came across this about the Mayan/Aztec gods;

"If they had led a sinful life, the departing souls would be escorted into the underworld carried in the arms of Lord and Lady Death, Mictlantechutli and Mictlantechutliuatl, who lived in the underworld of Mictlan, home of the dead. Once there they would meet the goddess of Filth, Tlazolteotl, the large house fly who ate filth. There she lived with her consort Ahuilteotl (he of filth and vices) whose friendly prostitute Ahuianime met his every need. Here the goddess of Flies would purge the sins of sinners in 'heart letting' ceremonies by listening to their confessions which eased the burden of guilt in their hearts. From this came the word purgatory, and the goddess herself become known by the more endearing name of the 'goddess of Hearts'.
Once purged of sins, the sinners could reincarnate in the arms of Coatlicue, the Earth goddess, for another life and another opportunity to purify the spirit." - The Supergods, M M Cotterell.

I wonder how much of the above story was influenced by Spanish Catholic priests. Still, a nice coincidence nonetheless. Apparently the pronunciation of her name goes Klaz-ol-tee-owe-tul.

I did a google search on this goddess and, amongst other interesting sites, found the following poem;

http://www.egenterprises.net/asphodel/articles/pagan_poetry.html

(The next poem is written for Tlazolteotl, the Aztec Eater of Filth. She tears your fears and negative thoughts from you and devours them whether you will or no; she is related in spirit to great Kali Ma who devours her own children. I honor all the devouring goddesses and their terrible necessity.)

Eater of Filth

Let me feed on you
on your pain
on your gloom
let me suck it down until you are emptied
and I am drunk with it
I will dance crazed while you lie bleeding
betrayed, too weak to rise
you are my food
you are my fountain
you knew what I was when you went with me
and someday you'll thank me
but not today....

-RKaldera 1997

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I am thinking about taking part control of my Purgatory experience by doing the following. Every time you have a bad thought, feel down, angry, or annoyed, close your eyes and visualize holding your cupped hands out holding that thought/emotion/negativity in them. Treat the thought/emotion as an offering to the goddess Tlazolteotl and ask her to eat it, thus taking it from you. You shall be cleansed.

Or perhaps for those who prefer the Bible;

Psa 51:1 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
Psa 51:2 Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
Psa 51:3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
Psa 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Psa 51:6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
Psa 51:7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
Psa 51:8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
Psa 51:9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
Psa 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
Psa 51:13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
Psa 51:14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.
Psa 51:15 O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.
Psa 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Psa 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.
Psa 51:19 Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar.

To quote from the link;

"Advanced Chodpas (practitioners of Chod) do not satisfy themselves with just the ritual practices. They often stay in cemeteries, desolate places, and haunted houses in order to face the fearful situations and experience the interference from desperate or evil spirits. By developing compassion for all beings, including those trying to scare or harm them, by sharpening wisdom through realizing the non-substantial nature of fearful phenomena and fear itself, and by deepening meditation stability through tolerating fearful situations, Chodpas gradually achieve transcendence over attachments, fear, greed, and anger. Through the hardship of direct confrontation they advance, step by step, on the path toward Enlightenment."

In time you learn the subtle difference between holding a hand and chaining a soul. Maintain your self esteem, take and receive love freely and you'll be forever free to dream. Love like you have never been hurt and dance like no ones watching for life is to0 short to have a heart bound by pain.

If you planted hope today in any hopeless heart
If someone's burden was lighter because you did your part,
If you caused a laugh that chased some tears away
If tonight your name is named when someone kneels to pray
Then your day has been well spent.

What you can become, you are already. - Friedrich Hebbel

God gives every bird his food, but He does not throw it into the nest. - Josiah Gilbert Holland

Do not do unto others as you would they should do unto you. Their tastes may not be the same. - George Bernard Shaw

The lion and the calf shall lie down together, but the calf won't get much sleep. - Woody Allen

Happiness is like a kiss - in order to get any good out of it you have to give it to somebody else. - Unknown

Nothing is so strong as gentleness, nothing so gentle as real strength. - St. Francis of Sales

If you're going through Hell, keep going. - Winston Churchill

Everything in this book may be wrong. - last words in the 'Messiah's Handbook' in the novel "Illusions" by Richard Bach.