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#276
MS_

Frank follows Monroe's approach in that he wants to 'strip everything down to the bare bones' so that everyone can have a chance of understanding it. Ok maybe he does go overboard sometimes in his caustic remarks about mystics and so on, but it has to be said that it is about time some of these self-proclaimed 'mystics' were knocked off their tree.

Remember that Monroe himself actually apologised if his stripped down 'mechanical' model sometimes  falls short of portraying the wonder of it all; that task is better suited to poets. Because of this, Monroe's approach can appear to some as rather cold and 'unmystical' if by 'mystical' you mean 'awe inspiring' or 'wondrous'.

However, in Monroe's opinion this is a necessary sacrifice so as to be able to explain a basic model or guide that will allow as many people as possible to go and experience the wider reality for themselves. Everyone can be assured that once they actually *experience* the wider reality for themselves, they will find that it is every bit as wondrous and awe inspiring as they might imagine it to be, more so in fact, when you think about it all. It's all very mystical in that sense, but in order for the most people to get the most benefit and so as to provide a solid practical guide that can allow people to go and see for themselves, rather than relying on what others have to say, it is necessary to adopt a solid, no nonsense, no frills approach. This might not suit everyone but it does suit a lot of people and it is democratic in the sense that it is designed to appeal to as wide a range of people as possible.. There are no degrees of knowledge or grades of initiation etc etc.

It is this 'graded' approach that comes under fire as this hierarchical system is unfair and elitist and completely unnecessary. This is what the phasing model approach tries to get around by being no nonsense and telling people like it is, so that they can then go out and check for themselves, not just go by the rantings of some guy from the pulpit.

Doug
#277
A fantastic turn out in Edinburgh yesterday for the great 'Make poverty History' march, ahead of the G8 Summit in Gleneagles. 100,000 people were expected to take part, but in the event, both organisers and police estimated that over 200,000 people marched, making it one of the biggest political demonstrations ever held in Scotland.

Marchers were encouraged to wear white and as they snaked their way around the streets of the Scottish Capital, they all linked hands at approx. 3pm to form a white band which could be seen from the air, the white band being a symbol of the 'Make Poverty History' movement.

Police and participants spoke of a 'carnival atmosphere' and there was no trouble apart from an isolated scuffle between a few anarchists and police which was quickly contained.

While 200,000 people is impressive, Bob Geldof has stated that this is only a taster. He wants upwards of one million plus to arrive in the city this coming Wednesday for the 'Great March' to Gleneagles, forty miles to the north of Edinburgh; Wednesday marks the official start of the summit.

Doug
#278
It has to be these days, in order to protect it, as so many people were walking over it and groping it that the stones were being worn away.

You have to be cruel to be kind sometimes!

Doug
#279
This is going to be interesting for me, as I live just up the road from where the G8 summit will be held.

Damn right I'll be on the march!

Doug
#280
Welcome to News and Media! / Bush Sucks.
June 28, 2005, 21:59:03
Frank_

I'm afraid not, takes too long to learn.

ah, there's nothing like the skirl of the pipes  the morning  :wink:

Doug

PS sorry none of this has anything to do with how 'Bush sucks' but then we all know that already!
#281
Welcome to News and Media! / Bush Sucks.
June 28, 2005, 09:05:12


Me at a friend's wedding last October. Eyes are blue. (I'm on the right btw!  :wink: )

Don't know about the Brawny, but I can certainly 'ravish you amongst the wild heather' lol

btw I don't see why you can't get multiple citizenship in countries in Europe and still retain your US citizenship.

Doug
#282
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Do you feel it?
June 28, 2005, 08:58:40
Not really. People have been getting 'feelings' like that every year since time began. It gets boring after a while, esp. more recently after the millennium nonsense. Don't worry, we'll all still be here next year!

Doug
#283
Arcaenis _

Take a chill pill mate, there is no American military conspiracy or government infiltration of this site; if only people took us that seriously, we'd be laughing!

Unfortunately the cold hard reality of the matter is that as far as most people are concerned, including the political/military world, we are just another bunch of internet whackos! In fact, the idea that they are even aware of us at all is pretty far out!

Stay calm, relax and take a deep breath (not sure if that's the right order, but something along those lines  :wink:  )

Doug
#284
Welcome to News and Media! / Bush Sucks.
June 27, 2005, 08:17:37
Gandalf - *blush* How old are you? By your picture I'm guessing mid 80's?


HAHA!!!! that's NOT me believe it or not! I'm 30.. bang within your target range!

Frank- I was certain the American actor Sean Connery has a dual citizenship to the US and Scotland?

Ah, this comes back to what I was trying to explain earlier:

Sean Connery is Scottish but holds *British* citizenship.

Just as Frank is English but also holds *British* citizenship.

How is this possible?

This is because *British* and Britain as in the United Kingdom, is a *political union* between two countries, England and Scotland. They are still both separate with their own laws but are united in a political partnership known as the United Kingdom of Britain (Wales and NI also are part of this union to a lesser degree as Wales is already subsumed under England BEFORE the Act of Union with England and Scotland).

Scotland is still a separate country from England though as any Scotsman or Englishman would tell you. Scotland is not just another part of England like some people think. Scotland is certainly with England in the United Kingdom, but it still retains its own laws and parliament and government, although there is a United Kingdom parliament to represent everyone at Westminster in London.

As such all citizens of Scotland, England, Wales and NI hold British citizenship, rather than citizenship of their individual countries, in order to demonstrate the allegiance to the political union of 'Britain'.
Hopefully you can see also that Britain is NOT another word of England. Britain is the collective umbrella term for England AND Scotland (and Wales and NI)

That's why Sean Connery is Scottish but holds British citizenship, not Scottish citizenship, and also why Frank holds British citizenship, not English citizenship. It is a mistake when people use the words English and British as if they were the same thing, they are not, although a lot of Americans get confused by this for some reason  :wink:

Doug
#285
Welcome to News and Media! / Bush Sucks.
June 26, 2005, 21:24:39
hehe

I'll have you know, the kilt keeps you warm in winter and cool in summer, and more importantly, the girls love it, which should provide enough action to keep you warm all year round  :wink:

And remember you can always toss the caber  :wink:

Doug
#286
The Rider-Waite is the classic deck and also the best for beginners. Watch out as there are some really crappy decks out there which are just cashing in and the people who make them know zip about proper symbolism. The 'Vampire Tarot' anyone? Designed for teeny-goth types: there's a lot of crap out there.

Doug
#287
Welcome to News and Media! / Bush Sucks.
June 26, 2005, 20:20:21
Yes, I agree, but it's darned COLD!!! :)

Can't argue with that... but it ain't that cold all of the time  :)

What else do you expect for Northern Europe? Edinburgh is on the same latitude as Copenhagen in Denmark... you don't hear them complain about the weather... it's a British thing!

:wink:

Doug
#288
Welcome to News and Media! / Bush Sucks.
June 26, 2005, 09:04:17
Hey Leyla never mind what frank says about England.. Scotland is NOT polluted, overcrowded or, despite what the media hype may say, crime ridden. It also has one of the highest population rates of university education in Europe.

Yes, Scotland is still part of the political union *with* England (not PART of England like some people think!), although for how long Scotland will continue to stay with the United Kingdom of Britain is another matter, it already has its own parliament and devolved government so it may only be a matter of time before it becomes independent again, after all it was independent before and has only been part of the United Kingdom for the past 300 years.

If the people of Scotland really want to be 100% independent again all they have to do is all vote for it in the Scottish parliament tomorrow or whenever they want, but most people seem happy with the current arangement, at least for now.

Anyway, sorry for going off on a tangent: Leyla, I am Scottish, with British citizenship and 'educated' if by that you mean that I have been to university. As for the good looking bit, that's for you to decide.  If I fit the bill can I mail order you?

:wink:

Doug
#289
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Spirit
June 26, 2005, 07:44:10
You can't 'merge' with it. You ARE your spirit, or rather, your 'spirit' or awareness IS you.

Doug
#290
I'm not trying to. I just wanted to give a bit of general advice that might save you and others a lot of time. It's up to the people who read it if they want to take that advice or not!

Doug
#291
Interesting.. Nik Redfern is a former UK defence insider as well.

Could be something in it, but then again, maybe there isnt!

Doug
#292
Bascially, if you believe in 'the devil' or 'lucifer' you will get him. Eventually you will begin to see past this 'thought = action' process but how close you are to this realisation is impossible for me to tell exactly, but it sounds like you still have pretty far to go.

Doug
#293
Yes, i think you can use all sorts of things for scrying, but the classic crystal ball is obviously the 'sports model' of scrying devices!

Doug
#294
Yeah, for my next experiment I want to get hold of a crystal ball (Don't laugh!). Seriously. Now I know more about how the different layers of consciousness work I can begin to see how these traditional scrying and oracular systems work.

With regard to crystal balls, as people will be aware, the traditional account talks of how practiced users can view pictures and scenes within the ball, from current events happening elsewhere, to possible future scenarios, perhaps possible scenarios based on the likeliest outcome of current variables (as well as completely fanciful results as well of course), just the same as with the intuition/tarot subject mentioned earlier.

Now, I don't actually own proper crystal ball, but the reason I thought of this was due to the fact that I was looking at a crystal bottle the other day with a 'crystal ball' style top. I immediatly thought of a crystal ball and looked into it and I noted its hypnotising effect right away, produced perhaps by the curvature of the glass and its distorting effect. I can now readily see how staring and focusing on such a device could greatly assist in bringing on what Frank would call an 'overlay' experience, where scenes from F2 or F3 (and also F1/physical) could be overlaid within the crystal ball, at least, that's how it would appear.

I now want to get hold of a proper crystal ball to see if I can get any results... Anyone know where I can get one?

Doug
#295
Great.... Let's get naked!

Doug
#296
I was just wondering how many people out there have had similar success as me with using Tarot cards?

I am not normally one to be a sucker for a lot of new age stuff, but I have found that Tarot DOES work very well as an oracle. When I say 'oracle', i mean that in its modern sense as a means to connect with your intuition to provide guidance in making decisions about your life. The Tarot is highly symbolic, utilising dream-like metaphoric symbols and images and the cards have a variety of meanings which, when combined in a spread, prove to be very illuminating.

btw I don't subscribe to the idea of cards telling you that you will win the lottery next week or whatever. It is these kinds of 'predictions' which serve to discredit tarot cards and other oracles like runes etc. Proper oracles really tell you more about the *present* than the future and help you choose the best possible course of action given the possible scenarios..they provide the likely outcomes of taking a specific course of action and then leave you to make the decision.

There is nothing 'magical' about this. The tarot, like all proper oracles, is about providing an easy way to get in touch with your intuition, which is pretty much swamped by external stimuli for the most part in today's world.

Despite my initial sceptical view of them in the past, i have now grown to find them very useful, enjoyable and enlightning.

I was wondering about what other people think of them? esp. those who were sceptical as to their worth beforehand.

Doug
#297
Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Focus 5?
June 14, 2005, 22:46:49
Bruce moen has a theory for what may lie 'beyond' our reality system, a theory which I have mentioned briefly in other posts. Focus 4 is what Moen would term his 'total self' or his 'disk'.. *but* then he goes further and says these 'disks' are in themselves part of (or focuses of) an even greater 'total' self somewhere else (what we may call focus 5), which in turn is belongs to something even greater and so it goes on until you arrive finally at the total self that IS everything in all totality ie what traditional accounts call 'god'... nice idea but completely unprovable!

Doug
#298
Yes the dream journal is one of those secret methods that not many people know about but really works for me.

After a few days your 'normal' dreams start becoming much more involved and detailed and before you know it many of these convert into 'proper' lucid dreams and obe/astral experiences.

I need to get my journal going again too. This weekend!

Doug
#299
one of the first lessons to learn is that dreams, lucid dreams and obes are all THE SAME THING. The only difference is your level of conscious awareness. Aim to raise that and the sky's the limit!

Doug
#300
I too can go through what I call 'dry spells' where nothing happens for weeks or months. Although I admit years seems a very long time.

I think it is to do with lifestyle change and a changed focus which put your mind on physical things. Everyone is different you see. For some that would serve to increase obes, in others to reduce them. Like stress for example. Stress can serve to increase obe (like with me for example) or reduce them.

The good news is, if you really start practicisng, you CAN get going with your obe work again, but you have to be *convinced* that you CAN do it.

I think you have managed to convince yourself that you have lost the ability, therefore this belief will go on to further the situation ie a self re-inforcing spiral.
You need to break out of it and say.. yes I CAN do it.. I did it for years and I can do it again. Once you *truly* convince yourself of this the obes will return.

Doug