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quote:Originally posted by kutabare
and about the lying part i don't lie on message boards.

LIAR! []

quote:Originally posted by OverDriven

I really don't want to start a flame war, but take anything you read with a grain of salt.  RB often seems to "guess" his way through what goes on during OBE IMHO.  Alot of his theory's just don't make sense if you really think about it.  So basically what I'm saying is that you don't have to take what RB says as "law".  Your ideas are just as valid a guess as his.

Yes, I think you bring up a good point.  Even though many of us have had hundreds of OBE's, by all means, don't take our word for things.  The best type of experience is first hand experience.

Unfortunately, many newbies need something to hold onto, and something to believe in when they make their first giant step into the astral. Usually, the only thing I stress is that the person BELIEVE that there is more to life than just the physical body, and that we truly can project our consciousness outside of it.

If you believe in just that and that alone, then you have enough information to build your own theories on what happens when you project into the astral realms.

I see what Robert is doing (as well as myself and all the other projectors out there) as describing different aspects of one great, big mysterious thing.

It would be like describing the ocean.  Robert may say, "Well, from my experience, the ocean is definitely 30 miles deep."

Meanwhile, from MY experience, I may only see that it goes down 10 feet, because I haven't ventured further than that.  Now, is that to say that the ocean is NOT 30 miles deep, as Robert said?  Not necessarilly.  I will continue to search and discover the answer on my own.  

However, I will also use deductive reasoning, and say to myself, "Well, I have verified many other things that Robert had said as truth from my own astral travels, and I do know that the ocean is at least 10 feet deep, so there is a great possibility that it IS at least 30 miles deep."

The thing I do is always give information that *I* have experienced firsthand as truth, in MY eyes, to other people.  Anything else, I keep to myself and not try and pass off as gospel truth until I have seen it with my own two astral eyes!  I don't expect others to accept it as their truth, but I do hope that they investigate my claims for themselves, if anything to verify for themselves that these things exist.

Good post.

Dark_Phoenix, I went ahead and moved this from the Psychic Self Defense forum to the General Metaphysics forum, where it more appropriately belongs.

quote:Originally posted by Osman


for the past 3 nights, I started sleeping on my back,

this was impossible for me to do before, because i could never fall asleep in that position, but after braces straightened my mouth and teeth, I can sleep comfortably on my back

Are you saying that BEFORE braces, you couldn't sleep on your back because of your mouth and teeth?  Whoa, those suckers must have protruded outta your mouth like kickstands!  []

Just playing!  I had a good laugh, though, when I read that sentence you wrote.  Like you, I NEVER used to be able to sleep on my back.  I was always a side and stomach guy, myself.  However, after years of OBE training and meditation, I now sleep just fine on my back, and in fact, I have slightly more OBE's in that position than any other.

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It helps greatly when i go to bed after excersising at the Y.

Yep, I have found that exercise is great for many reasons.  One, a healthy body is always a good thing, and two, it usually tires out the body and relaxes it before bed, so that the mind is still active but the physical shell just kinda melts away from exhaustion.

quote:and my heart felt like it was slowly dying, i actually felt my heart stop ( that is when i decided to stop the excersise).

Granted, I'm no doctor, but I don't think it was your heart stopping.  What usually happens is that as your focus slowly transitions from the physical senses to the astral senses, you lose track of things.  

This is really apparent in your hearing.  If you ever try and meditate with some white noise in the background, like a fan or something oscillating, you will notice that once you reach a certain point, this sound seems to get quieter and quieter.  It's almost like you can start to tune it out and shut it off.

Of course, what's really happening is that you're drawing your focus INWARD instead of outward.  So in the case of your "heart stopping," it's really beating just fine.  You're just losing track of the natural functionality of your physical body and becoming aware of your astral senses, which won't really feel the physical heart.

Usually, I (and many others) feel the opposite.  They feel what appears to be their heart going a million miles per hour, which is not really the physical heart at all (which some beginners mistakingly think), but instead, it's the heart chakra, an energy center located where your heart is, that begins pulsating like a frog on fire.

quote:my only problem is, how do i get a full OBE from this state,

You are on the right track.  You just need to keep up with the relaxation, and try not to let your focus keep getting drawn back to the physical body.

quote:Originally posted by amed
1.  Once I find myself in the real time zone (my room, identical to the present), are there any excercises or methods to increase concentration and/or duration of the event?

You already mentioned staring at your hands helps a little.  I'm here to tell you that staring at anything will help.  Just don't stare too long or else it will suck all your concentration into that one thing and you'll lose control.

Another thing I tell people on this forum is to take deep, big astral breaths of air.  As the air goes into your body, you get more energized and it helps me prolong the experience.

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2.  Anyone have any helpful tips on navigation in the RTZ?  I find that I have to strain ever so hard to float around.  Are there any special practices advanced practioners employ to ease mobility in the non-physical realms?

Not sure if I can help you here.  Usually, when I project, I find myself in one place, whether it be in my room or some other location.  Then, usually my entire experience will revolve around that one place.  I don't really get up and fly anywhere else, unless it's somewhere in the vicinity where I can see where I'm going.

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3. And lastly... does anyone know a method or technique to advance to the Astral Plane from the RTZ?

Like I said, I usually stick to exploring the place where I immedietely project to.  However, I have heard it said that if you close your eyes while projecting and imagine yourself going inward, you usually go to some other astral realms.

Another thing you can try is when you're in the RTZ or in the black void, tell yourself that you want to travel to the Astral Pulse Island.  That is located in the astral and many of us have been there.

Yay!  Congratulations, Willow!  Keep us posted on your progress.

quote:Originally posted by crazy_colombiang
So why do dogs bark at you when you are in the RTZ if its just a reflection?

Animals are much more sensitive to subtle energies that we humans are.  They can also hear things which are inaudible to the human ear.

quote:Originally posted by Kristina

OK Jeff, I will check that out, thanks!  It may be a better alternative to the massive Word document I've been keeping!  [] Looks like a very cool program!

Hehehe, ahhhh, that brings back memories.  I used to keep all of mine in a large Word file as well.  The only problem was that:

a) you would have to scroll through an enormous document to find some past experience somewhere

b) you couldn't perform any detailed analysis of your experiences.

I wanted a way to feed all my experiences into this program, have have it tell me which positions worked best for me.  I also wanted to know which months were more productive, how many experiences involved astral encounters, things like that.

The program itself will continue to grow the more people use it and the more we find newer things to analyze.  And if nothing else, it's just a great little tool to log all your experiences in and list them in a nice order, as opposed to one big text document.

Great post, Kristina.  I love how detailed you are.  In case you haven't checked it out already, you may want to download the shareware program I wrote and log all your experiences into it.  

In turn, it will analyze your OBE's and give you some cool, graphical information, like what the moon cycles were for your experiences, what position you've had the most success in, etc.

You can check out the free program by clicking the link in my signature.  Once again, great post.  Very inspiring.

quote:Originally posted by TheSeeker

Hmm.. not quite sure about this one.  Not trying to be a jerk or anything.  What is that that is spinning exactly?

I believe Beavis said it was tin foil.

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What is it balanced on?

A knife standing on end.

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What is underneath what it's balanced on?

I forgot what he said there.  I think the knife might just be standing up on end.  Or it could be secured to something.  To me, though, that isn't detrimental to the experiment.

quote:
 Maybe if you made it more clear that nothing was attached to said object.

Eh, we all make mistakes. []

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I couldn't see to the sides of the box,

If you look closely, you can see it through the plastic on the front side of the box.

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why was there toothpaste randomly on the box? lol.  

I believe he put objects on top to show that it's enclosed.  Not to mention, if he was going to use stop action to film the thing, it would be very difficult to film a frame, remove the top, move the foil, reposition the top and its objects exactly the same way, and film another frame, etc.

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I don't know, I'm not saying you didn't, I just don't know.

Me neither, but it's fun guessing anyway.  Besides, it's good to be skeptical.

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Oh, and what did that sign say? I couldn't read it.

It looks like it says, "[Beavis] will move the aluminum foil with his mind."  I only know that because I'm psychic.  Hehehe.  Actually, I had to zoom the video up really close to read it myself.

I just thought of something though.  Do you know what this reminds me of?  Have you ever seen those little needle-like things enclased in glass which move whenever light hits it?  It's a little scientific thing which shows that light (sunlight or flashlight) can actually SPIN this little needle-thing.

Sorry for the vague description.  My best friend has one but we don't have a pic of it.  It's just that this experiment reminded me of that.  But I don't see any differences in light on this video.

Hey Beavis, next time, you should set it all up on camera, and show your hands and face when you spin it.  I know the filesize may be HUGE, but if I can get my hands on it, I can encode it to be a lot smaller than your AVI format, and then we can make it available to everyone else.

Uggghh, this hurts my brain!

Sounds to me like it's just part of the natural light spectrum, perhaps creating a rainbow effect from surrounding water particles (moisture?) in the air.

Hey Dark...sorry but I moved this back to the Magic forums where it belongs.  You may not feel that this part of the forum gets that much attention, but posting it where it doesn't belong is like trying to sell shoes at a pet store.

Now to address your question, I see you're from the UK, and I don't know if things work the same over there as they do here in the USA, but do you have  Yellow Pages book or anything?  It's basically a directory most homes and businesses have where you can look up certain things (like plumbing, movies, magic, etc) and they will list all the businesses in your area which cater to that.

Another thing...even though your mom doesn't want you to get help from her, is SHE able to suggest places to look, or is she against doing that as well?

You may also want to check local book retailers for information on Magic.  I know that the 'Barnes & Noble' and Borders book stores usually have a pretty good "New Age" selection, which is where you'll find the books on Magic Arts.

Finding smaller bookstores which only cater to magic and new age literature may be harder to find.  Unless they are listed in some sort of online directory, or local yellow pages.

quote:Originally posted by beavis

Somebody should put up a sign that says DANGER: Dont feed the troll !!

Oh, but they're so fun to poke at with verbal sticks!

Steel, great post!  Congratulations.  Nothing beats the first OBE, I don't care what they say!  It gets better from here, but you'll always remember your first.

Um....I am talking about OBE's right?  Hehehe.

Anyway, to help with the blindness, take it from me who suffered with no sight for almost a year before getting the hang of it.

First, make sure you're calm.  The more excited and rushed you feel when you get out (and it's hard not to feel those things) will hinder your sight.

Second, when you are calm and still have trouble seeing, take a few deep astral breaths.  You will be surprised at how real it feels, and how the air seems to go into your body.  Imagine yourself becoming more grounded and lucid as you do this, and your eyesight will start to kick in.

Third, don't try to do this too close to your physical body.  At least not when you're a beginniner.  Most people find that moving 10+ feet away and then trying to see (or walk or do anything else) is much easier.  There is less of a pull on you.

Fourth, take control.  Demand your astral vision to kick in.  Say out loud, "Clarity now" or "My vision is now coming in!"  You may be surprised at how things bend to your will in that environment.

Fifth, when all else fails, use your imagination.  Imagine that you're about to put on "magic seeing glasses."  Then try to put them on, and watch what happens.  I did something similar to this when I was having trouble flying one time.  I imagined that I had mini-rockets installed on the bottom of my shoes, and BOOM!  I was flying in no time!

Hope that helps!

If I had to hypothesize on what happens with COMA patients, I would say that they drift between a dream state and an OBE state.

You see, those of us who are not in a coma live seemingly normal lives, working, going to school, raising a family, etc.  At the end of the day we sleep.  Now, sometimes we remember what we dream.  Sometimes we don't.  And sometimes, we have OBE's.  

Now, for those of you who don't remember your dreams, does this mean that you weren't dreaming?  Of course not.  Your mind is ALWAYS active with SOMETHING.  Always.  

And for those of you who have OBE's, you know that they are extremely real and lucid, even though you are not experiencing them in your waking life.

You can drift back and forth from dream to OBE and then wake up just fine, right?

Well, a coma patient doesn't have the "waking up" part.  With their physical body being out of the picture, their MIND is still very much alive.  They may be in a constant dream state, whether they remember what they're dreaming about is irrelevant.  

AND....that could also become lucid in this mental state and experience things in the RTZ (aka have an OBE, or AP).  They can drift from dreams to OBE and back again, although not necessarilly at will.

Why do I think this?  Well, I draw my consclusions on two things.  One is my own experience with extensive OBE travelling, in which I'm understanding more and more the way our consciousness works.  

The second reason why I think this is because my grandmother was in a coma the last 10 years of her life.  But not completely comatose.  She could still be spoon fed, but she couldn't talk, couldn't see, couldn't hear, nothing.  Just like spaced out and completely bed ridden, for ten long years.  

Then one day, out of nowhere, shortly before she died, she simply snapped out of it.  It only happened for a short time in a single day, but during that time, she was able to talk again!  She told her husband that she was aware the whole time, but she couldn't do anything. It was a bittersweet moment, because she basically told all of us that she would see us visit her and that she heard everything.

Then, after that, she slipped back into her previous state of mind and never came out of it.

So I think the mind in a coma is like in a dream state, where depending on the circumstances and the person involved, they can become lucid and consciously aware, just as we are when we have OBE's and AP's.

quote:Originally posted by holy reality
is there a way to maintain awareness while in that state so you can be lucid when you finally drift off into a dream?

Practice practice practice!  There really isn't an easy way to go about it.  It's more about learning yourself and how your own mind works.

For me, I try to be passively aware of the images.  Like watching cars speed past me on the freeway.  When you first lay down, the images/colors/shapes come and go really fast, as if you were standing on a highway and watching the cars from a stationary position.  You shouldn't think too much about them.  Just notice them.

The longer and deeper you go, the images stay a little longer, as if you were now driving slower than the speed of the cars on the highway and looking out your window.  They still fly by you, but you can "hold" onto there image a bit longer.

There finally comes a point when you're going the same speed, and you can "lock" onto these images.  This is where the magic happens, and you can phase into the astral realms.

Dark Knight, thank you for taking the time to answer.  I hope things will get better for you. []

quote:Originally posted by quetzalcoatl
I want to comment on your note about fixing your gaze on something as being essential to getting out.  I very much agree with this.  I think by focusing the mind like that, we allow our intention to project come to the surface.

I'm glad you also realize this fact.

From my own research, based on my own OBE experience, there is a DEFINITE relationship between staring at things and the experience itself.

One thing I have noticed, though, no matter when you stare at an object, whether it be in a pre-projection state, or whether you're already in the astral realm, staring at something seems to draw energy into you.

What do I mean?  It feels almost as if you're slowly being sucked into what you're looking at.  So in a pre-projection state, locking onto an image (in your third eye) seems to suck you into it.  This is what happens when you phase directly into the astral.

Now, when you're in the astral realms, via a phasing technique or traditional OBE technique (like rolling out of the body), then staring at objects seems to make the experience more lucid.

However, you must be careful.  Staring too much at something seems to ruin the experience altogether.  I haven't figured out WHY that is yet.  But, for example, if you were having an OBE in a park and you decided to look at a tree, you will find that within the first 1-3 seconds, you will start to see things very clearly.  After that, it almost begins to draw you into it, and you will have some trouble maintaining control.

At least, that is what I have observed on a number of occasions.  So I usually only stare at things when I need to balance my control and reaffirm the experience.

quote:Originally posted by abcdefghijklmno

same to you pals!!! look them up in the dictionary!!! dont do that again....

I just grabbed one at random and did as you said.  I looked it up.  You said "chromatokinesis" means "control over color."  According to the dictionary, it says "Rearrangement of the chromatin into various forms. "  http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=chromatokinesis

Let me try another one of your words: necrokinesis.  Hmmmmm, that's strange.  This is the result I got from the dictionary: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=necrokinesis

May I ask what dictionary you want us to look them up in?  It seems to me that these "pals" were making valid points.

Dark Knight....

I have a question for you, but this is going to come out wrong.  Why are you so important that you're always targetted for attacks?  Again, I don't mean it like it sounds.  I guess what I'm trying to say is, how can a certain individual always seem to be the center of psychic attacks, while others can go on and never get affected?

Is it always because of a personal vendetta out against the victim?  Or does the victim have "something" energetically that the attacker wants?

Could you expound on that a little, since it always baffled me that some people always harp on the same thing, and it makes me wonder why they are targetted in particular.

Again, I apologize if this comes off as a verbal jab at you.  It's not meant to be.  I just see you always talking about it and I thought you would be the perfect person to address this question of mine.

This topic came up before, and my reply can be found there: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8870

quote:Originally posted by JustLikeThePill

i get that all the time, too! only how can it be hypnagogic (sp) if  i can move? my body is numb, but if i wanted to move i could.

Just because you can move does not mean that you can't see hypnagogic imagery.  Usually, when you first lay down and close your eyes, you see after images.

Then, you start to see random scenes and images, usuaully as a result of what you did the previous 8-10 hours.  For example, if you spent a good deal of time playing an online video game, you may see things related to that.

After your mind is quieted, you will start to see other images as you get closer to the border between your imagination and the astral.

In all three cases, you can move your physical body if you wanted to.

Check out this link, as it deals with the same type of thing:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9333

quote:Originally posted by TheWanderer

You guys need to get your heads out of the clouds -- Nibiru?  What the hell?  I know there's a 10th planet, but do you know what it is?  Nothing.  It's just like Pluto, just a hunk of crap floating in space.

You can go and accept crazed authors books as fact if you wish, but truth be told, there is absolutely no proof ( just distorted assumptions ) of any other civilization's existence.  

Leyla, that face on Mars was just because of the shadows and angle the picture was taken. Pictures of the same area taken at a different time show it just looks like hills, a regular landscape.

I actually heard that the "new" pictures of that face are fakes meant to throw off the public.  There's some decent research on that theory on the web -- however, unlike you folks, I'm not passing it off as fact.  It's just a possibility.

I am not one to spew forth "crap" as a fact.  However, I find humor in observing that just as these guys are talking about these things as fact, you too are claiming the opposite as being a fact, when truth be told, you have the same amount of "proof" to back up your claim as they do.

I think No_Leaf_Clover brought up some good points in his response above (third down from the top).  Regardless of whether you believe it or not (the jury is still deliberating this one for me), I think it's just as silly for you to say, "It's all crap" as it is to say, "It's a fact that aliens built these pyramids."

The only facts I know for sure is that I don't know everything and never will.