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(This was the wrong place to post it though. Not tryin to hi-jack knightlight's thread  )

Its OK stookie I will just send my flying cat of death after you.  :tongue2:

Wow, that's cool. But phasing back to work after an 11 hour shift must suck - "...not here again!"  It almost sounds like the old-school way of meditation: Take a simple object like a pencil, and hold that one image in your head as long as you can without letting other thoughts intrude. Repeat as necessary.

It was actually kind of my goal because I figured it would be the easiest place to get to because it was still so fresh in my mind.  It was strange because it was a combination of the place before and after we remodelled and the employees where a mix of old and new as well.  Very interesting experience.

I agree with the meditation connection but NEVER before has an object just appeared to me during noticing.  It wasnt like your typical imagery where it is plain to see but seems separate from where you are.  This container was there.  It just hovered there and I grabbed it.  I wasnt in FZ either even though for a minute I thought I was.  Maybe I had already phased and didnt know it?  I swear I could feel myself in bed... hmm...   :poh:

However, what I would term my successful phasing attempts are when I'm not shocked back to the physical. These are when I am so deeply relaxed that I seem to drift into the scenery and lollop along quite happily

I agree 100%.  It is always a success if I see anything, but it is a triumphant success if I can actually enter it.  I dont know why sometimes it is so shocking and sometimes it is such a natural process just to slip into the pictures.  Maybe it is a lower lucidity?

Uhm.... try Nature Photography magazine.  I'm not kidding. :nod:

F27 is a specific section of the belief territories in Robert Monroes model of consciousness.  It is a place where you go when you have died and are either free of your belief constructs as far as the afterlife goes or you have been there before (I would assume...  when youve been there why would you go anywhere else?).  Its just a transition area from physical life to a more expanded existance according to Monroe.

I would start with the Astral FAQ's and Permanent Topics forums, lots of awesome info in there.  Any further questions after that, just ask.  I for one am always here to lend advice as well as the moderators.  Enjoy your stay.  :meditate:

[In a dream last night, for example, there were two heating units in my house where there should only be one (it was cold ). It caught my attention -- I knew it wasn't right -- yet somehow I managed to shrug it off and continue dreaming without lucidity. The most extreme case was when a dream character told me that I was dreaming, and I denied it!]

Question:

What is lucidity? Why do we become lucid? When we do become lucid, why does it happen, and why isn't it the way we always are? Why is it that lucidity is easily lost and generally doesn't last very long?

I've been taking notes on... notable dreams in an effort to answer those questions.

In a dream last night, for example, there were two heating units in my house where there should only be one (it was cold  ). It caught my attention -- I knew it wasn't right -- yet somehow I managed to shrug it off and continue dreaming without lucidity. The most extreme case was when a dream character told me that I was dreaming, and I denied it!

A week ago I began journaling my daily activities, in addition to my dreams. We know there is a correlation between reality checks and lucidity, so it's worth investigating whether other daytime activities might contribute. If anyone wants my notes, please PM me.

Doesnt that just tinkle you off when you wake up? I HATE THAT!!!!  :combust:

I agree mostly in the fact that there is no quick fix in the astral BUT in the astral, after you get a good hang of it, can be used to simulate almost any situation you would experience during waking life perfectly.  Every time I phase into a really vivid scenario where I am at work or around people I always take a moment to look at them and notice just how real they seem.  In my mind there is no separation between the realness of the physical and the realness of the astral, its just that one is persistent and the other isnt.  Its fun to phase and do things that are wild and crazy.  Its a good release and there are no real consequences (atleast none I have encountered   ).  Good luck with your situation and there really isnt any need for anxiety or depression.  I get depressed sometimes too but whenever I get over it for a while I think "hey, what was I all bummed out for??"

Last night I was meandering about the 'net for a while and I came across an article on phasing where it said if you see blobs or whatever while noticing to try to spin them with your mind or astral hands and that would help.  I first tried a normal OBE exit than I tried some noticing and dozed off.  I woke up and stayed still and started noticing.  I remembered in another thread about how Selski said tactile sensation was important to her for phasing and I concurred with that and decided to try the method I read about and to try to feel the objects.

I was noticing and nothing happened... not a blob, not any spots nothing.  I was so relaxed and almost asleep I didnt want to waste the opportunity so I tried some visualization.  I am a bartender and I use alot of different mixes like :strawberry, raspberry, bloody mary, banana, etc. and they are all in different colored containers.  I handle them every day and I figured if I was going to visualize something I could imagine easily and feel easily I should imagine one of the containers as I had worked 11 hours that day and handled plenty of them.  I started to imagine the container and suddenly POOF there it was in the blackness!  I grabbed it and suddenly I was phased into work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :confusion:  I dropped the container sending strawberry flying everywhere and I just stood there.  People where milling around and some of my coworkers walked by me and said hi to me.  I couldnt believe it.  I had never phased so easily in my life.:seeya:

I woke up again and stayed still again.  I imagined the container again but this time when I grabbed it I was in a house.  My uncle was there and he was holding a shoe box full of random things and he tried to give it to me but I started to feel sick and he was creeping me out so I jumped through the wall and closed my eyes.  When I opened them I was laying on my back with my legs up in the air pinned in an awkward position between 2 things I couldnt see and a fly was walking around on my chest.  I closed my eyes again and opened them and I was in bed.  I noticed some things where out of place and something moving out of the corner of my eye.  I reached down over the edge of my bed and one of my parents cats brushed up against my hand.  I thought "well if you had been in here all night (I keep my door closed at night) you must really want out!" and then suddenly I look down and its my cat that has been dead for 3 years and suddenly I am falling and falling and falling............  :aargh:  and I wake up in my bed for good.  I continued using this technique for the whole night until I woke up this morning and I must say it was WAY easy but I am not sure what state I was in to make it work so well.  I tried using this morning when I woke up and I just couldnt do it.  All the experiences I had last night where the most lucid and amazing I have ever had.  Selski you gotta try this!!!  

From amongst them was the Qur'ân, the manifest and clear miracle and brilliant proof, falsehood cannot approach it from before it or behind it. It is a revelation from One Who is All-Wise and Praiseworthy. It incapacitated the most eloquent of people in the most eloquent of times to produce a single chapter than would be comparable to it, even if the whole of creation were to gather for that purpose.

Seriously....  Do you buy propaganda like this so easily?  Broaden your horizons or go be a mindless warrior of Islam somewhere else.  Do you seriously read this crap and go "Ahhh... so true!  Someone who gets its!  No bias here, just pure truth!  I love the world!"??  Are you nuts?  :aargh:

Actually, I think that might be quite significant! I can't quote the source at the moment, but I very clearly recall reading that the medulla oblongata, or brainstem, plays an important role in astral projection. According to this book, which was about OBE, that is where the "silver cord" connects the astral body and the physical body. I remember using that information in a story I wrote once, so I know I'm not making it up.

Thats interesting, I was also thinking about the pineal gland as well.  I will do some digging of my own.

Of course... I personally think the cord and the "astral body" are just constructions.

Me too, never seen the cord myself!

As to 13th something or other in the book - what have you decided? Knowing me, I'd narrow it down to something so obscure so that it either HAD to mean something or it was my ego showing off. So I'd say to my ego (I wonder if it would be my ego talking to my ego  ) "OK chaps, 13th line down on 31st page. 3rd word is totally relevant". Now if the word turns out to be "the" or something just as silly, I'd still take it on board as a learning process for me...  then again, I may wake up the next day and tell myself not to be so stupid and perhaps commit myself

My mind tends to simplify things easily so I only checked the 13th page and the 13th chapter as I dont think my subconscious would give me anything too hard to figure out, it knows me too well!  The 13th page is the beginning of the preface and the 13th chapter is about energy raising!  I have been having more experiences lately where I will and look at my clock, lay back and just sit and play with my chakras until I drift off again.  Maybe it is telling me to keep working on my energy body and develop my pineal gland???  I dont know...  I had my first OBE after day 2 of working with NEW and recently when I have been doing energy work at night I have more vivid dreams or spontaneous OBEs more frequently.  I guess it makes sense that way.  Maybe thats it???   :scratchy:

that would be awesome!  you should project and go to the biggest group of people you can find and just start telling jokes to them!

Give it a few more tries.  Things tend to be kind of wierd and hard to manage in the beginning.  I am sure it will be easier next time.  Most importantly, never be scared while OBE, its pointless!!     THere is nothing to fear but fear itself.

I think there is more to this than meets the eye...

For sure!  I knew the more i thought about it the more I would uncover and I figured what a better way to figure it out than to post it and get comments on it!

I wonder if the bird represents the blocking aspect, or perhaps it is the base of your spine that is the blocker? Do you get backache?

I was wondering the same thing... I get the impression that the bird in the dream is blocking because it was black and seemed aggressive in nature.  I do not get backache normally and did I say spine?  I guess I meant where the spine goes into the base of my skull if that makes any difference to anyone.

Seeing the bird in front of your computer - gosh, again, I don't know, perhaps it's another confirmation. This bird is really trying to get something across to you.

Well it was superimposed on the chair that is in front of my computer so maybe it was trying to tell me to sit up in a chair when I try to phase?

Or it could be that the bird is telling you that the sensation of touch is important for lucidity. That seems to be the case with me. And perhaps it is telling you this so severely that it is hurting you? I don't know, I try to work out my experiences cryptically if I can't understand them literally.  Bird, beak, peck, back, spine. Hmmm.

That does make sense because for me tactile sensations of any kind during a phasing attempt usually pull me in totally, it gives me something to grab onto literally!

The kazoo is hilarious - do you know that I had a lucid dream a while ago where my lucidity depended on my blowing on a kazoo? I posted it on the forums. How utterly bizarre. If you do decide to commit yourself, let me know and we'll go together

I remember reading that... I think that was one of the first experiences I read on here actually if I remember correctly maybe I should look that up?  It would be a pleasure to share a cell in a psycho ward with you, we could get alot done if we worked on phasing together!  :happy5:

I suggest you take a look at Astral Dynamics. Get yourself nice and relaxed, think about the phone vibrating and either open the book when you feel ready, or see what number comes at you, and open the book at that page.

Exactly what I was thinking... right as I read that the # 13 came to mind... 13th chapter?  13th page?  13th paragraph???   :freak:   Thanks for the advice Sarah and keep the feedback coming!

Just curious, what did the bird look like? Was the 2nd bird exactly like the first? I have the image of a raven, because that's the symbol of both wisdom and foreboding (at least in the Euro-American tradition). It could represent hard-to-accept wisdom, hard-earned wisdom, or wisdom gained through harshness, difficulty, or tragedy. Or it could represent a metaphorical death--a major transition.

I will try to find a picture, it was a bird I have seen before but I dont know the name.  The bird in the dream was like a crow but not.  It was black but it seemed almost like it was spray painted black or something.  I forgot to mention in the first post that during my dream my dad was there and he said something about my uncle dying but hes fine... maybe its a bit of a premonition!!  :nervous:   The bird in my room was small like a finch or chickadee and was almost cartoonish and seemed happy.

EDIT: This is what it looked like basically.  A type of Sparrow for sure, the head seemed bigger and more puffy though.

I do think the book was calling you--rather literally perhaps!

I know!!!!  That was the easiest part to understand and also the most bizarre.  I had to laugh!

wow what fun that must have been!  Cool experience!  :headbang:

I actually had a problem a while back where when I was OBE I would start to tinkle and I would wake up really fast to make sure I wasnt wetting my bed.  I never did!  A few nights ago I was in the middle of a lucid dream and suddenly I start peein all over and I try to stop it but I cant and I can almost feel myself peeing in my bed but I just kept going and when I finally woke up after the entire experience everything was dry.

F*&^ the police.... F(*&* F(*& F&*( the police....   :punk:

Who says what you can and cannot do??? Tell her to shut up.

I wouldnt say I am worried I just think the whole thing is a little more in depth than any of my previous overlay experiences and a little creepy.  I must say that my level of vivid dreaming and lucid dreaming has gone up.

I was trying to sleep last night and before I fell asleep I entered a trance and tried to reach the aspect of myself that is blocking me in any way when it comes to OBE's etc.  I didnt contact anything directly but I figured if it was out there it was listening.  I basically told it to stop blocking me in any way and to help me instead.  I fell asleep shortly afterwards.  I had a strange semi-lucid dream where I was in my house and suddenly there was a bird flying around my head.  It swooped behind me and nailed me with its beak right in the base of my spine.  It hurt like a mofo and the bird flew around and did it again!  I became more lucid and decided it was tinkling me off so I made myself wake up.  I opened my eyes and I could see a bird sitting on my chair in front of my computer!!!!!  :ughh:

I stared at it, it stayed stationary and then slowly faded.  I then went back to bed and soon after the sound of my phone vibrating on something woke me up.  It sounded like my phone was sitting on the book next to my bed and vibrating on the plastic cover causing a racket.  My eyes shot open and my phone wasnt there, it wasnt even in the ROOOMMM!!!!   :WTF:

I think about it for a second and shrug it off and go to bed again.  This time the sound of someone saying my name through a kazoo wakes me up.  I am about to go batty and commit myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    :poh:

I didnt think of the following things related to the experience until I typed the above and went back and read it a couple of times and thought about everything involved.

A)  When the bird pecked me it made me lucid.  It effectively was giving me access to a lucid dream but it was causing me pain and freaking me out so unfortunately I didnt take advantage of it.

B)  The bird in my room seemed friendly, is it that aspect of myself??  Did I effectively reprogram it?

C)  The book the phone sounded like it was vibrating on is Astral Dynamics of all books... like the book is calling me....   :reading:
Cue twilight zone music!

If anyone has any input that would be awesome!
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I dont get over to this part of the forum often and since I am getting back into Reiki healing what better way to start??  Heres to you Frank, you have helped us greatly, now its my turn to repay you for all the help you have given me and so many others.

EDIT:  As I had my eyes closed and was focusing on sending the energy the depth of the darkness changed and I saw the bust of a person raise up like someone sitting up in bed and I saw a face looking at me!!!  Crazy!  I dont know what Frank looks like and this person was young, 20ish with a concerned look on their face...  interesting...  Hope you got my energy pal.

Reiki on its way to you.  Chin up kid.  Get those grades up and that by itself will make you happy!  Good luck.

HAHAHA wow, I noticed someone replied to this thread and I click and your post is before mine!  For a second there I thought my post didnt make it!!!  :poh:  <----- did I mention I love this emoticon?  

Anyway I am glad you agree that it is the 3D blackness.   I cant think of anything else it would be.

I would think its just FZ.  FZ (or the Void/3d blackness) is a place where there is just blackness and is a sort of boundary between your own personal astral space and the belief system territories.  I have only been there once and it was INSANE.  My experiences was different from yours.  I was attempting to OBE and suddenly the darkness behind my eyes felt like it opened into an endless pit that I was standing on the edge of.  As I looked down I felt a sudden huge pull and felt like I was looking into infinity.  Nothing but a vast empty black hole.  If you are there next time I would just close my astral eyes and think of a place you want to be and reach out for it.  You should feel like your moving and when you open your eyes you should be where you want to be.

"I got the impression she was making sure they where behaving. I said "So whats outside of the doors?""

Just curious, about the young lady standing by the doors, why do you think she would want to make sure 'they' (the ignorant dead) were behaving?

I guess my wording may have been a bit off...  It was more of a glance a mother would give a group of playing children.  Not necessarily to make sure they where behaving but just to make sure everything is in order and going smoothly and no one is in need of assistance.

Knightlight: I can't wait to go back, either!  

I really like the method you used this time too, about trying to find yourself in the other focuses. I've thought about that a bit--if I understand the phasing model correctly, we do exist at the different focuses simultaneously, don't we? It's really just a matter of where our attention is fixated. When I think about it that way, the whole enterprise seems a bit simpler.

I'm generally pretty good at fixing my attention in places other than good ol' F1 (for better or worse!).  I just need to go... a bit... further!

Yes going a bit further has more impact on my experiences than I often realize.  For the past few months I have been a bit passive while attempting OBE's and phasing.  I would lay there... and lay there... and lay there... waiting for the vibes or waiting for some imagery to pop up but it barely ever worked... only three times in about 2 months.  I still had my usual spontaneous ones which where short and bitter sweet as usual and the occasional lucid dream but things where getting frustrating.   :angry3:   It helped alot coming here and answering newb questions because it made me feel better to help people who hadnt had the experiences I have and made me grateful.  Finally one day I stood up and said "I have been trying to project at will for 3 years and I STILL SUCK!!!!  IM NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!"   :director:  

I buckled down, grabbed myself by the boot straps and stood tall.  I put all the effort and energy I had into my attempts and in the past 2 weeks I have had insane results.  Just this morning from the first time I woke up at 10:30 until I finally decided to pry myself away from my bed at 1:30 I was in F2 the WHOLE TIME.  I didnt want to get up.  I will work on an easy way to sum up my technique and post it here for you.  Maybe you can post yours as well and we can see whats the same and whats different, I am sure we can both learn something.

After all you have been through it swells my heart to know you enjoy my post!  :hug:

F3 is indeed amazing!  I wish everyone here who explores the astral to gain access to it!  I also agree it is indeed very different from F2 and very much solid....   I cant wait to go back!  

Why are you all wasting your time arguing with him? Dont you think as an online community that we have more important things at hand???  Abraham:   Why do you come to a forum that is so different from your beliefs and try to change our viewpoint?  I am sorry if you feel you are here to shed the light onto us and our sorcerous and pagan beliefs but its all for not!!!!  Can't you see that?  This forum is for open minded and exploratory reasons, not some dogmatic justification or forcing of views on others.  Kindly find another place to spread your hate and leave us to our own devices.  

I have come so far simply from opening up to new ideas and exploring myself and my beliefs, I am sorry you cant feel the same.  Its a dog eat dog world out there, even when it comes to beliefs and I am sorry not everyone can feel the same way you can.  We are a tight community here. Claiming we are false gods and saying we are on crack isnt the way to an open and welcomed dialog here.  Dont you see the hate and confrontational nature of your posts?  The blind irrational nature of your beliefs?  Please.... spare the members here your time and move on.

If you wish to challenge us and post your own experiences feel free, but until then kindly mosey on to greener pastures.   Thanks.

I am thinking either this guy is ahead of the curve or a hoax.  I dont think I have ever heard of anyone doing this (if it is really possible what better proof of projection is there?) and I honestly cant think of a way to do it personally but the RTZ is not my forte.