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Was going to say you've been smoking too much coffee man.

But then I thought I'd give you the benefit of the doubt and do some searching.

It's in google's cache but the forums wont let us access it.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/some_basic_stuff-t35187.0.html

well done!

I do hereby consider you henceforth as "Bliss the Bold"

To whomever actually did the deletion deed;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClnSMCdw6E8

[Act Of War]

The United States is under attack by an occupying force. Fight back by signing this petition to declare war against that force.
http://whitehouse.gov/2sG
Market force is a kind of force. In the ways corporations use it to control politicians who control other forces, market force is as dangerous as any other kind of force.

Please respond to that anti-democratic use of force the same as any other Act Of War against the United States, by any corporation in any country(s) which, directly or indirectly, change our politics with any kind of force.

"Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." --Sun Tzu
Most corporations did that to what was our democratic government and to us. Will our government help us do the same to the corporate army occupying our government?

Like the War On Drugs and War On Terror, which are more like goals than wars, please declare War On Government By The Corporations.

This doesn't really make any sense. Declare war on what?, exactly? Please explain.
(Those with real guts would declare War on Big Brother).

FYI - the USA is NOT a democracy. It is a Republic. The Founding Fathers made it that way to avoid the inevitable "tyranny of the masses" that we see happening now. All democracies throughout history have failed. Take ancient Athens, for example. As the saying goes, "any democracy is doomed as soon as the electorate discovers that they can vote themselves benefits from the public coffers".

The "problem" is NOT Corporations. The problem is Government. The bigger the government is, the more corrupt it gets. The present government regime running the USA is corrupt and rotten to the core. If you don't like Big Corporations why don't you ask the GOVERNMENT SEC why they allow normal, decent small corporations to keep merging into these HUGE MegaGorgaOrgazmatron Corporations like ExxonMobil?

The problem is not Corporations.

The problem is like Soylent Green... the problem is PEOPLE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IKVj4l5GU4


The Government passed the laws that make the existence of corporations possible. The government can pass laws to make giant mega-corps go away. But that will never happen as long as lazy people continue to wallow in total ignorance.

People who wallow in lazy, self-indulgent ignorance, just sitting around expecting Big Brother to give them free stuff, food, soma....
lots of soma....
might stop complaining when they get 1984.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8

I have a question for the people here that are visiting the Astral Plane regularly. When I phase I am in the Astral for about 10-20 mins physical time. After that I end up in the 3D dark zone for the rest of the time. Can you go back immediately or do you have to reboot the process entirely from the start? It now takes me anywhere from 10-15 mins to get there, then another 10-20 mins there, but then I just sit in the 3D dark zone and watch, but nothing else ever happens, other than just kind of floating and feeling good. Am I wasting my time or is that all you can see at a time? I have changed my intent/visual to a new scene but with no avail. Could it possibly be my own fear of not being able to remember my experience, since I write down all that I have seen in that session?

I go back immediately, within seconds or something less than a minute... usually... of course there are the exceptions. Three and often 5 or 6 times.

The first projection is usually the longest.

If I project several days in a row even the first will be shorter in duration. It seems to take about a week or two to fully recharge.

Any advice on what I should do?

As bluremi suggested, why don't you post your question on the OBE4U.com forum?

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Michael is active there and is pretty darn good about answering questions from newbies.

Heartburn is one thing but nausea is an actual pre-OBE warning signal for many APers.

Multiple awakenings throughout the night can be a good thing for those trying to get their first phase. You may be looking a gift horse in the mouth.

These "tests" assume that if the brain says something, this thing is also happening. However, just because the brain isn't in the rem state, that doesn't mean we can't dream/lucid/project.

Another question for you. If my dream lasts 2 minutes in your time, and 30 in my time, how long did it last? There is no time, there is only duration which is highly subjective.

Actually, without REM, dreaming is not going to be a happening thing. "Dreams" and REM are basically synonymous. If you checked the clock and went immediately into a dream and then checked the clock immediately following the end of the dream and the clock showed 2 minutes had passed, the dream lasted two minutes... regardless of how long the dreamer thought the dream might have lasted.

Being Lucid may not require a physical body and/or brain. But the thing we call a "dream" does. Dreams are artifacts of what can be impressed upon the physical brain and physical awareness. The "physical awareness" can be a very poor representation of what is actually occurring in an extra-physical dimension.

Of course there is "TIME"... without time there would be no duration.

[between]

You might find it helpful to read Michael Newton's systematic decade-long research on regression hypnotees' memories of life-between-lives, , then compare it to e.g. Monroe's or Tom Campbell's descriptions, who say that they've "been there" (... it is worth it )
M. Newton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QDT58Q6Zxo
books: "journey of souls", "destiny of souls", "memories of the afterlife: life-between-lives stories of personal transformation" (the latter is by over 30 therapists all over the world who produce strikingly similar accounts - a highly recommended read)

T. Campbell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v39EKUT2stc

Good suggestions.

This is such a complicated subject probably because the Truth of the matter is just not all that palatable. I second the motion on the Newton books and the T. Campbell ideas.

Start with Journey of Souls and take time to digest it.

Finish with Campbell.

[my vision was only partial]

... Anyways, my vision was only partial and I opened my right eye since it seemed to be shut, but unfortunately I opened my physical eye and woke up with my body in sleep paralysis, an odd feeling.

[...]

Anyways, the past handful of OBE's I've had since I moved back into school are mostly distinguished with being very very difficult to move around, to speak, and to see. I went into one from meditation a couple days ago and I only had partial vision. I rubbed my hands together and felt their sensation but it was difficult to do. I tried to command "clarity now" but my voice was but a squeak, I then tried again, this time with all my might to shout it, and ended up waking myself.

So what's going on? Do I just not have my "Astral Legs" yet, sort of like sea legs, or am I just a little run down from school? The possibility of projecting to the RTZ of my basement is likely since that normally is where I spend my time when I'm home, and both times were during the night. Though I don't know what would explain the bad feeling I get from there. I guess I must face it, that's my next plan of course right now if it happens again, but any suggestions on not waking myself up, or any thoughts on these occurrences? 

Hmmm, impaired vision and difficulty with navigation.... 
 

Yes many newbies report these conditions. It is very common.

I think the odd sensation with hand rubbing then shouting and getting only a squeek and subsequently waking up indicates that you had not made a clean or complete separation. It is good to have a plan of action. This can help with progress over time.

It could be a combination of both being and little run down and needing to get your sea legs. But that is not to say that rest is the cure. Choosing a right plan of action and executing well can leave you physically exhausted but Astrally primed for strong OBE travels.

I believe the "dark" and foreboding sense upon exit can be strongly alleviated with a bit of cleansing of one's own psychic space. Listen to positive and uplifting music. Say a short prayer every morning and evening (maybe the serenity prayer if you don't know anything else). Generate a positive connection with the Creator and get a little Agape energy flowing. I expect awesome Inner Experiences await those who can manage these simple efforts.

Would this work is what I'm wondering. I know ive had dreams before where I am sitting somewhere comfortable and I shut my eyes and "project" as if I were awake. But I don't know if it's all just a dream or if I could potentially contact my guide or experience the astral in this state. Any thoughts?

I think the short answer is, yes, it could work.

I have gotten lucid in a dream and then tried "projecting" and subsequently began feeling the vibrations. I have felt a very short and very tenuous body consciousness for just a moment and then projected into a conscious OBE.

Do you meditate on a regular basis in waking life?

The white sandstone is cool. I described it as "that soft astrally glowing white marble". Just curious, was the table like a very ordinary table? I have seen almost anachronistic mix of astral plane/Earth plane furniture and architecture amidst and on top of one another. It might be a place like those astral artwork paintings we see and then there will be like an old wooden picnic table under the glowing marble portico or some such thing. 

Vizer, very good demonstration of self observation skills. Well done.

The females morphing into males could reflect a subconscious recognition of certain females in your life exhibiting assertive or even aggressive action.

Journal the details and review them periodically. Read Jung. Lots of C. G. Jung. Write the details down and don't hold back... but you may want to conceal very personal matters in a simple code if there is ANY chance at all that unworthy eyes might peruse your deepest explorations.

)))

there is a lot of tests that have proven that you can't lucid/project more than 2 minutes in 99% of all cases

ok, if you can do more, it depends on REM that lasts no more than 15-20 minutes...

Of course, one minute may seem like 30 minutes. It's another topic to discuss.

No statistical test has ever proven what "can't" be done. (not possible -- google 'you can't prove a negative' and read up on the statistical type items).

You *can* take a poll and announce that "the survey shows" such n such. But those sort of stories are ridiculously unreliable.

The inseparable link between OBE and REM is something I have my doubts about. I have read references to papers about non-REM OBEs but I have not seen the data.

Brain dead patients regaining consciousness and reporting NDEs were certainly not in REM.

I think the jury is still out on this one.

I have a question about the time a person can spend phasing.  It says in Michael Raduga's guide that a person can only phase for around 10 minutes.  How is this enough time to do some of the incredible things that people talk about doing, like exploring the RTZ, and deep space and things of that nature.  How does that allow time to search through the Akashic records and other such phenomena?  How does it give you the time to go back and reexperience memories from the past?  It is just a confusingly short amount of time.

While reading Mastering Astral Projection in 90 days by Robert Bruce, he makes it sound like you can astral project for hours on end, and do it anytime you want.  What is it that I'm missing here?

I did not finish all of MAP in 90 days but I did read a lot of it and I do not recall him saying that about OBE specifically (but it does make me wonder what his longest OBE might really be). Meditating in deep space for hours at a time is something many can do with a little practice, but that is not the same as OBE imo.

I mentioned here a few days ago on the astral 'time' thread about how Monroe would retell the story of some awesome projection that would seem to require at least an hour and he would return to his body to find that he had been out for about 7 minutes.

Just recently though, I made note of the time as I began an OBE attempt and then experienced three lonnngggg projections in a row with only maybe a minute between the first and second projection and maybe a few minutes between the 2nd and third. Each "seemed" very long and eventful, and I do not recall losing consciousness at any point, and it was over a period of nearly two and a half hours before I got up and started writing it all down...

But, time does both stretch and/or compress in the OBE state for me. And I still consider myself new to intermediate at all this so I won't try to say for certain that my OBEs must have been that long. It sure seems like it though.

I learned a lot from the RB MAP in 90 Days methods and I like the Lucidology youtube lessons. The Raduga obe4u.com free SOBT ebook kicked my success rate up to a whole new level. I highly recommend all of them.

So rudolph, the corporations with power and huge lifetimes are the problem? But then how would things like the water supply and medical insurance be arranged? Can you have a small corporation that deals with those kind of things? I doubt it, they always grow to become big multinationals.

Corporations are not people. Sure, if we make a new company that builds houses and work with a few friends, then I would call our company a company of people. When we have those huge corporations that rule the world, they are no longer people. They are sociopaths that will do anything to get more profit, which includes killing people if they can get away with it. Maybe 90% of corporate wealth is in control of those huge corporations. Banks, insurance, water supply, electricity. They are the sociopaths who destroy, brainwash, corrupt politicians and kill. They always become bigger and bigger until they have monopolies, how are you ever going to stop this?

I have every right to talk about your attitude if I think (and many others as well) that it is not really optimal.

Also a few years our health insurance was privatized. Within a few years the prices skyrocketed. It's now 4x more expensive than before, not joking.

Read carefully. I did not say you could not talk about my attitude. I said you have no right to tell me what it should be. Of course my attitude will always be frowned upon here as long as it is traditional and leaning conservative. Rude, insulting tone and outright bigotry are given a pass as long as it is delivered with Leftist Liberal and progressive spin. Intolerance for conservative thought is one of the hallmarks of Leftist ideology.

When and what sort of health privatization are you talking about? It used to be wholly private and very low cost and easily accessible. It has gotten much more expensive and much worse as more and more government involvement is encouraged and allowed. Governments are corrupt and rotten to the core and they get worse as they grow. New and small corporations are far better than government. The problem with old, entrenched multinationals could be solved by simply dissolving them and making them illegal.

Nearly everything you have said about corporations is false. They *are* made up of people. A corporation with no people ceases to exist... by law. Corporations can and do provide things like water and health care and in general they do it better than government does. Private industry delivers a superior product for a lower cost. My wife and I dropped our group plan "vision" coverage long ago when we did the math. Every couple years we wait for a good promotion and go get an eye exam and two pair each of no line bifocals for about a hundred bucks apiece. It is a fraction of what we were paying through group plan payroll deduction and copays.

You might want to consider that the official "unemployment rate" only counts for the people who are structurally unemployed. A recent study showed 20%+ of people are unemployed in america, this includes those other groups. However, this whole "jobs issue" is nonsense. We should not want people to work, if free time has any value. People not working means being more efficient, however our economy wishes to grow infinitely which means we must produce more and more and more to have people working, while jobs are being shipped to china and robots replace people. The jobs WILL NOT come back, and this has a reason. People are held hostage by the economic system and by the way society judges unemployed people, and the view on this needs to change because again, the jobs will not come back.

Yes Orion, much of what you say is true. The official U3 number is about 9.2% while the government's own U6 number is more like 17% and the unofficial number from independent business groups is about 23%.

Interesting data site;
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts

I am not so sure that I agree with your opinion on the need to work and "free time". Young people do a lot of damage to themselves on weekends and I wonder if they do not enjoy just a smidgin too much free time.

Corporations being in control of things like water and medical care is unacceptable. Those are things everyone needs. How can you trust a corporation with this, if these are mandatory services? The government wishes to provide the service, corporation wants to use the people and service as a tool to make more profit every day.

I trust corporations wayyyy more than I do the government. The smaller and more recently incorporated the corporation, the better... in general. (I have covered this in prior posts). The corporation is not the problem... a corporation with unnatural long life and the POWER that such long life affords is unnatural and dangerous. Please remember, corporations are made up of people.

The government is a necessary evil with a proper function especially in the arena of defense and law enforcement. Beyond that it is an abomination. The bigger the government the smaller the citizen. In a sense, the government is just another giant, corrupt and rotten to the core corporation.

Have you ever read anything about people dying because they can't afford insurance? Your example might be something that really happened, but people dying or paying too much also happens a lot. Government is clearly the best option here.

I disagree. Government is clearly and obviously a horrible option with a history of failure here. Yes I have read of people without insurance dying but the claim that they died because they could not afford insurance is simply an often repeated LIE, imo. It is total bull pucky for the most part. My example however is very real and true and honest and happens probably hundreds of times every day across this country. When I grew up group health plans were unheard of and people still got good health care. Government involvment continually makes the whole health mess progressively worse, as far as I have seen. And I suspect that I have seen a lot more than you have.

Instead of using labels like "tyrannical left", or using stupid hyperboles like "pure deception", or implying that people lose their freedom if they help each other out a bit, why not engage in a discussion instead of accusing and shouting? Change your attitude, use more real content in your posts.

If you don't mind I think I will continue using the label "Left" to identify the "Left", because I am sane and intelligent and I recognize the simple value of such valid labels.

Where was I shouting?

I also reserve the right to attach the adjective "tyrannical" when I am describing tyrannical behavior of the Left. It is not stupid and it is not hyperbole.

My attitude is my business, Orion, and you are way out of your place even pretending to be in a position to tell me what it should or should not be...so you can stow that suggestion, thank you very much.

It's my experience that you cant reason with such people when it comes to politics. They've got their point of view and thats the way things are. They will engage in debate but only for the purpose of proving you wrong.

Please take no offense Rudolf, my best friend is one such person. And of course I could have read you totally wrongly.

No offense taken, Blis. Most of my friends and family feel the same way you do. I understand.

Yet still, I respectfully disagree. I think Political dialogue is more important now than it has ever been in my entire lifetime. The deceptive and destructive force that has usurped power in the Democrat Party is unlike any outer Force that American citizens have had to deal with since the time of the War Between the States, imho.

My purpose in such debates is not 'only' for the purpose of proving that the Left is wrong, but to provide facts and logic clearly presented for those sitting on the fence and sincerely seeking the data that will show just how undeniably false and destructive the Left is. These truths serve a very useful purpose for many outside the USA as well.

In this application, facts and logic are tools that reveal DEEPLY SPIRITUAL Truths that are especially relevant as 2012 approaches.

So do you love men and think women are evil?  

"A fool speaks because he has to say something"



NoY, If you are sincerely interested in communication perhaps you could quote me accurately and ask for clarification on the part you do not understand.(or the part you disagree with... or agree with... but references to things that have not been said are from the realm of deception).

Interesting theory I heard the other day regarding reincarnation and child abuse. Most people find sexually abusing a child reprehensible (and rightly so), but almost always that child who's being sexually abused was a child abuser him or herself in their previous lifetime.

I was reading Plato or Sophocles or maybe both about 6 months ago and it was something to see the discussion of this topic in such a matter-of-fact manner as though it were not just commonplace but socially accepted.

One comment was along the lines of, "the highest form of love is love between two men because that is love between two equals..." (women were considered near sub-human or even soul-less and children were subordinate).

In the end I think it is not a matter of feeling 'sorry' for anyone. The Masters teach that COMPASSION for all parties is the enlightened approach in these situations.

Rudolph if you are not willing to engage in an actual discussion, but would rather insult by accusing me of nit picking, obfuscation, game-playing, unreasonableness, etc etc there is no point in continuing this discussion. I thought I was bringing clarity not obfuscation. If you had simply said "oh huh I see why we're saying different things" that would have been fine and we could have moved on. There is a big difference between "tunnel vision" and "seeing a tunnel" the former is a visual impairment and the latter is not. Your post was all about visual impairment, so it's important to make the distinction. I have no agenda other than discussing the facts (no "tricky" no "game"). Since you don't wish to do this, I won't reply to you any more.

Catmeow, I made no insults toward you. Identifying a nit-pik as a nit-pik is NOT an insult. Identifying obfuscation as obfuscation is NOT an insult. I did not accuse you of game playing. I did not accuse you of unreasonableness. I described my examples as sufficient for 'reasonable' folks. If you want to somehow take that personally there is not much that I can do to help you.

I politely request that you withdraw your false accusations toward me.

But I can say, "oh huh I see why we're saying different things". It looks to me a little like it is because I pointed out an error on the part of a local hero and the clique decided to circle the wagons. Even though the error was blatant and obvious. Vision (and also simple navigation) problems are extremely common among new APers. For an experienced APer to step up and say, "not for me" is irrelevant.

It does not matter if you insist on making an irrelevant distinction like, "There is a big difference between "tunnel vision" and "seeing a tunnel" the former is a visual impairment and the latter is not" -- because it does not change the error of the original observation that "Initially, you'll most likely see exactly as you do right now".

Neither "tunnel vision" nor "seeing a tunnel" is an accurate description of seeing as "you do right now". Nit-piking on the difference between those two distinctions constitutes obfuscation. My post was NOT "all about visual impairment" -- it was about that original characterization of seeing, "exactly as you do right now".

I remember thinking about the swallowing action during the early stages of my learning curve for this projection method. I just decided to not worry about it and it became a non-issue for me.

I think facial and head movements are not as disruptive as body movement in the early stage.

... There are however frequent references to a "tunnel" (which I would expect) but this is NOT tunnel vision. With tunnel vision your field of vison is reduced to only the central field. If you move around you can still only see centrally. 

Classic nit-pik.

I already copied for you (twice) relevant examples from this forum.

And a simple report of a tunnel effect is close enough in the context of what I was saying...a "tunnel" is sufficiently narrowed in vision to make the point. You may see them as "entirely different things" but I do not. The fact that vision is constricted as in a tunnel is obviously reflecting a condition that is NOT consistent with, "Initially, you'll most likely see exactly as you do right now".

Plus your link was to a site that was more NDE oriented and I also now understand better why you inserted the "spontaneous" qualifier (which you chose not to answer when I asked why). Pure obfuscation. That site is mainly reports of a nature that is not typical for aspiring "Conscious and purposeful" wannabe Astral Projection/Phase aspirants and learners. ... very tricky, but I am onto your game.

The report of vision problems is VERY common on many of these forums. I have already shown that sufficiently for reasonable people. Those with an agenda that is in conflict with reality can choose to cling to whatever errors get them through the day.

Yes, Texas is near the middle in terms of total rates (8.7 % or so compared to 9% or so nationally), but they are experiencing record losses, and are in a 25-year-low based on what their numbers have been historically.

wow... so you can't even admit your huge error and blatant falsehood?! You parroted the pure Leftist deception as "They also have by far one of the highest rates of unemployment" and it wasn't even a little bit true, not by any stretch... and when challenged you can't just man up and admit the error. Of course there are losses in the middle of a recession and a tyrannical Chief Executive is shutting down a large portion of your primary industry by executive order... what a shock.... 

But it depends on who you compare them to. I am not using states like Massachesetts as an example, which although they have near universal mandate, clearly have a program they can't sustain. But Texas is looking at 20% uninsured rate. That is a massive number of people who have their needs not being served.

!?  "their needs not being served" !?

That sounds like the typical arrogant presumptuousness that I hear from the Leftist Liberals on an unceasing basis. Just *who* do people think they are to pretend to know how to serve the *needs* of people they have never met? I lived in Texas many years and I do not think I ever met a Texan who thought his *needs* were not being served. You do realize, don't you, that across the country there are many people who choose not to buy health insurance because they would rather spend their own money on something else. But Leftist Liberals and Progressives and the hordes of mini-tyrants that vote to force their fellow citizens to "choose" the way tyrants think best, won't allow that sort of FREEDOM. The tyrannical LEFT will likely next be making it unlawful to point out Leftist DECEPTION.

Not having medical insurance does not mean a person can't still get medical treatment and quality care. A friend of mine has no insurance and a few months ago he broke his hand in a fall. It cost him $174 to see a doctor and get x-rays and a cast put on by a nurse. He has a health condition that requires daily medication which he pays $9 for every three months at Walmart. He likes his present health care arrangement just fine.

The Tyrannical Left is Pure Deception.

[tunnel vision]

...I have been studying AP for many years and can not say that I have noted any references to tunnel vision, in spontaneous OBEs, other than the "tunnel" motif experienced during NDE; but this is not the same as tunnel vision.
[...]
Celia Green does not mention even one instance of tunnel vision in the case study.

Please look here and count the number of cases of tunnel vision (I haven't found any but I may have missed them): http://www.oberf.org/

Is there a confusion between AP with travelling clairvoyance? In travelling clairvoyance, tunnel vision is commonly reported, but in this case the subject "feels" as if they are still located in their physical body and they sometimes view remote scenes via a "tunnel".

I would be interested to be pointed towards cases of tunnel vision occuring in spontaneous OBEs, because, as I say, I can't say that I have noticed any.

wha???

How can you say that? How can you NOT HAVE NOTICED?!  

I just got done quoting several such references to said "tunnel vision" taken straight from this forum!

...  dream fade out. All I could see was a dark blue tint and I heard a loud buzzing  ...
...  from one eye, then I'd get a kind of tunnel vision. It ended with a party in an  ...

...  it became black. I got a kidn of tunnel vision and then it just went.
I tried  ...
...  anyhting to do with any type or auric vision or if it's just my eyes being defected  ...

.  experience... I was going through the 'tunnel' or whatever (all dark) and all of a  ...
...  the whole ordeal I do not believe I had vision... at least, everything was black black  ...




Why did you insert the qualifier, "spontaneous"?? What does that have to do with anything?


Edit; I just got done checking the website you linked to and were not able to find tunnel vision references... I stopped counting when my search found over 2 dozen....

Texas is one of the most unregulated markets in the entire US. They also have by far one of the highest rates of unemployment, and the weakest insurance/medical situations.

This is typical Leftist misinformation.

California, Michigan and Nevada have the worst unemployment while Texas is near average;
http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

The Texas unemployment situation got worse with the brain dead Obama Oil drilling ban and the EPAs silly campaign in West Texas.

Over half of all new jobs created in the last year were created in Texas
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/over-half-all-new-jobs-created-last-year-were-created-texas#ixzz1YySAYPEo

It is a long term trend;

Texas has gained more than 1 million net new jobs in the decade Perry has led the state. And it's been going strong since the recession ended.

"We are home to fewer than one in 10 Americans ... but four in 10 new American jobs are in our state," he told a conference of state legislators from around the nation this week.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/12/news/economy/perry_texas_jobs/index.htm


They actually have one of the Strongest medical situations. (The states with so called "better" plans are going bankrupt -- at which point the citizens can brag about the great plan that they had when it completely went under).

If these five possibilities were racehorses, I feel number one would likely have an astronomically low pay-off 

Nuclear war is still always a possibility at any time though, and I could also conceive of how a group could be motivated to stage an alien threat in order to fear-monger for more military spending.

It is astounding how the global economic collapse (sans nuclear event) unfolding right now before our very eyes is simply going unnoticed....

duhh....

duuuuhhhhhh....

First Greece.

Then Portugal, Ireland and Italy....

Then France....

then the rest of the world's banks.

No Nuclear bomb required. No alien invasion.

Just a world full of total brain dead zombie like hope and change believers clinging to their Marxist/Socialist Udopian Fantasy.

that is all you need... it is just that simple....

The more purely traditional and Capitalistic the community, the faster the phoenix will rise from the ashes. Places like Texas....

 

Nothing like the Sudafed circa 1985.

When I was younger and suffered allergies much worse than now I would occasionally break down and take over the counter drugs to get my sinus condition under control.

One day was so bad I said, "either I take two of these or I call in sick...". I looked over at my wife with her hair up in curlers and the guacamole skin masque and glanced at my infant child screaming his lungs out and I thought, "I need to get to work so I can rest a little". I took the pills and hit the road.

A couple hours later I was walking over to a meeting in a building at the other end of campus and I saw a coworker approaching. "Pardon me, friend, but can you verify for me one thing?... are my feet really floating three inches off the ground?...."

I understand that they have long since altered the formula to a "daytime" concentration to allow for a more normal workaday experience.

Most of those people that are experiencing this Rudolph are also having their first OBE's or are Phasing for the first time. Your vision becomes crystal clear with practice and more experience controlling it.

Note that my original point was about a claim of "initially", as in, "Initially, you'll most likely see exactly as you do right now" which simply ain't so, imo.

And it is not just "first time" APers... the vision troubles are persistent and pervasive across a wide swath of projectors at not just the 'first time' point but completely through the beginning and well into intermediate levels as well.

Note that "forcing" an astral experience to sensory mode-wise fit into a physical rubric is not necessarily a good idea or even a good thing. Learning how to experience the Inner realms on Its own terms wholly apart and separate from the physical Earthly experience and sense modality can be a most useful skill in the Eternal scheme of things.