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the no blood no fur thing was sort of my typing to myself.  i didn't want to start a fight between red dragon and i- so i kept my response to him as neutral as possible.

i think that's more a case of tongue in cheek wisdom, but worth putting in the mix anyway

happy is he who dasheth his little one's heads against the stones- psalms
(loosely quoted)

*deep breath*

you should learn to deal with the nerve structures in your solar plexus and surrounding muscle tissue while you're dealing with the ones in your head.  i perceive that you might need to work on that part of your body.


no blood, no fur.

look at that.. this respect thing just might work for me dealing with disagreements here... no blood.. no fur flying.  all in all that was good stuff, james.

if a tailbone is really bruised, then it takes about six months to go away and heal totally.  if one would like to engage in the active stimulation of the mind body interface- i'd go with the system outlined on this website.  it's a good one and it doesn't involve negative side effects.  

sometimes the "experiences" are what people need to have- negative or not.

i'm just making a few corrections to your post, james (no disrespect or anything like that)

i've read places where the word Wicca actually means something completely unrelated to witchcraft- but i have no way of validating those sources, so i'll leave that alone and assume you're right.

there is very little of real celtic magic in gardnerian wicca.  most of it consists of stuff taken directly from the Golden Dawn and adapted to meet a more "earthy" demographic.  Gardner was in cahoots with Aleister Crowley previous to the publishing of Gardner's revolution.  It's curious to note that Crowley gave him license to start of O.T.O. orders (think Golden Dawn type stuff) concurrent to his supposed inception of Wicca.  the reason why Gardner published his works around that time was because that was when the occult was made legal in england.  There was also no evidence given that Gardner himself ever practiced with Traditional witches at all- most experts think that it gave him an added air of expertise that helped him sell books and get ladies.
there is nothing or very little in common with Celtic traditional witchcraft and Wicca.  the Rede was written by one of Gardner's female buddies and no system of behavior and ethics can be likened to it in trad. witchcraft previous to it.

one more note:  the four element scheme was invented to Pythagoras, a greek philospher- and the philosophy is absent from most traditional circles.

everything else is great.

please stop watering down what people have strived their whole lives for- with real tears and real blood- to achieve.

shamanism isn't something you can pretend to have or be born into one day.  this "awakening" you pretentiously speak of happens over years of hard work and INTROSPECTION.

melatonin has to do with your perceived levels of light in your environment and the ensuing circadian rhythm changes that result from said light.  it has nothing to do with melanin, which is the skin pigment produced by melanocytes- a cell that you'll find planted around your entire body, at the bottom of the integument (skin).


falling on your tush sounds eerily familiar to the fixing of awareness that is the meat and potatoes of NEW.  

i won't even begin to pick apart your rudimentary understanding of the central nervous system.


come on now- you really really shouldn't be giving out information if you know that it's flawed.  take a step back, take a deep breath and reevaluate why you decided to help out.  it sounds like you've had some experiences, but don't pretend to be an authority on something that you need work on yourself.  all people will get out of it are bruised tailbones that they'll have to deal with for the rest of their life (no, it doesn't go away).

there is a part in the bible that says that you have to preach to the unconverted as evidence that you're saved.

therefore preaching to people in such a canned format without really sitting down with them and talking about their problems is selfish.  all it does is push people away from the idea of christianity- and the evangelicals could care less because saving other people isn't what they really wanted anyway.

Wicca is a type of witchcraft.  there are many cultures who practice witchcraft and have been doing it for milennia.

that's not entirely true.  but they used it for some nouns.

actually, pot is classed as a hallucinogen- cause if you smoke enough...


from my experience, drug use is to be limited to no more than once every other month.  keep in mind that you are introducing chemicals into your body that aren't perfect matches.  i.e.  they will have side effects if allowed to accumulate in your body.  marijuana should be limited to once every couple of months, due to the fact that it leaves so slowly.

shamans only use these drugs in small quantities very infrequently.  just enough to help the shaman on hir journey- not take hir there itself.

note: hir is a combination of male/female pronouns.  latin had it- we need to bring it back.

here i was thinking that the first two spiritual eyes were your physical eyes... as in ground yourself and pay attention to the world you already have set before you and study that before you add more to your plate...  

it was a foggy night last night- with clouds half obscuring the full or almost full moon- intense stuff.  really beautiful

i hope that you realize that we aren't blowing you off, sharpshark.  i personally believe that demons exist, but i don't buy into this war thing.  don't get me wrong, i remain open minded about the whole subject.  i've not seen enough evidence for there to be any sort of war...

you can still run into a demon though.  it's more rare than  you might think, but if you go looking for them they'll eventually show up(just don't expect them to go as easily as the normal "astral negatives")

they're real and they're like fighting bears- keep that in mind at all times.

and the sun is eclipsed by the moon

i don't think that it's any more satanic than practicing for the christmas play at church.  it's an objective, real, non supernatural thing and when you read up on it- you realize that.

that's true- it's that there's a well laid-out system, that's all.

actually, never mind.. why you want to do it isn't important.

it's possible and people know how to do it here.  i was being mean.  the first thing is why you want to do it

who said i was angry?  not about wendi, no.

take a deep breath.  let's be sane.

see, i even edited my post- i was commenting on the liberal use of song quotes for some unknown reason in her post. meaning she was loopy and feeling good and just started pasting song quotes. the meat of her post was fine.

no anger here.

1.  what is a demonic war?  

it's a war that involves demons

2. is it a war between demons and humans?

that is the widely accepted view.  because people think that we are the center of the planet and demons are only interested in us and not your neighborhood badger- they think that demons will war with us, yes.

3.  i'm not exactly sure why demons would enter into a war with humans.... maybe they're feeling threatened by all the bigoted people running around and banishing/attacking them?  might have something to do with it- if it were true.

4.goals.. interests of demons?  um.. probably, like every other entity- they need food/water/shelter in some form or another.  the most common "interests" are a basic war against evil situation in which they want to control and enslave the human race.
5. a demonic war could take place in a variety of ways.  they could attack people the way demons usually attack people- psychically.  they could also posess humans and use them to attack people like dragonX.  i know that when i get posessed i want to accost people like dragonX.

6.  how do we recognize these demons?  demons will ALWAYS posess people that are different.  the goths, punks, quiet kids, single mothers, outspoken women, women who own land, women in general, the village herbalist and especially old senile people.  this has never failed society yet.  every time people think that the devil is among us these people are killed first and have we had a demon takeover yet?  no.

7.  which form do demons take?  depends on the time of day (literally)  they can posess people, manifest some form of ghostlike form and not be physical at all.  they (if they're cool) can also materialize their own bodies and use those, but only if you're the hero of the story and you're attacking them with a magical dagger you found.

8.  how do we kill them?  you can't kill a demon but you can kill its  host- a list of possible candidates has already been given.  keep in mind that demons will not posess a person who isn't abnormal.  anyone that looks like you, acts like you or makes you feel comfortable are definitely not demons.  burning at the stake was a good favorite in salem and in europe when they had their demon problems.  

please note- i'm just kidding.  don't run around killing people.  i know that most of you are intelligent enough to read between the lines and sense sarcasm.

no, nobody knows- guess you're gonna have to figure it out for yourself.  pity

the systems and rituals outlined in the book CAN work though- although they aren't the most safe.