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First, can you OBE at will and hold yourself in the vibrational phase? RB was doing research some while ago with very developer (spiritually, energetically, etc) people getting them through kundalini while in the vibrational state. Said that in that way kundalini raising is much safer and generally less extreme. You might want to try mailing him about it - but dont expect a quick reply, I haven't heard from him in a while and I  was mailing about seriously important stuff.

Rob

Hi Marianne!
Sorry to hear about your problems, my heart goes out to you.
It doesn't sound like a simple energy exchange - there is definately an active component to whats going on. Ie someone or something is doing whatever it is they are doing! The sudden paralysis while waking, well thats so weird! What time of day did it happen? Did you notice any immediate physical changes after it occured? - moles and stuff RB talks about. Also, do you have any indication that there is a pre-existing neg attachment - such as night terrors when you were younger, etc?
A lot of this just doesn't make sense to me. If it was a sort of neg attack the neg would logically wait until you were at your most vulterable before attacking - ie pre-sleep state when you are in a heavy trance and your defenses are most down. The sleep paralysis you wake up into is likely different and caused simply by your astral body being elsewhere - thats assuming the paralysis is not accompanied by an immediate feeling of dread, extreme fear?
What was your ex-husband like, would be bear any malaice towards you? I dont know how easy or even possible it would be for a person to grab you like that in paralysis, but maybe...? The incidents where things go wrong do however suggest that someone might be out to get you, does kinda bear the hallmarks of human involvement. And the fact that your body has been having difficulties after the other incident does suggest further some sort of definate attempt to break you down...
Well, you know probably that many of the most spiritual people come under massive attack from dark forces - so maybe your light is attracting flies!
Things I might suggest you do - try drawing on most of the protective symbols outlined in PPSD (I dont tend to bother with the pentegram on the forehead for obvious reasons [] but the rest are good). If this has any effect upon you OR your sons or ex then there is likely neg influence. See what happens, be observant inwards and outwards etc (lol goes without saying eh?[]).
Have you heard of ORMUS? You might want to look into it - I'm sure you can manage to do the research yourself but www.subtleenergies.com is the best starting point - might help perk up your body a bit! Try some divination to see if your subconscious mind can come up with any more answers - also reverse speech analysis on yourself will almost certainly throw up some useful data (RS is valid and very good, I highly recommend looking into it if you have not already heard of it). But I cant seem to get any reversals when I am just talking into a mike, it seems they only happen when you are actually in conversation with someone. Got any friends who're game?!!?? Stretch any conversations out, the more speech you have to work with the more chances that you'll find something. Hmm what else.....not sure really. It all kinda centers on finding the cause of your problems, doesn't it? You might want to try msging Nita, she may be able to help.
One other q - how much active work do you do - like are you practiced in magic, do you meditate regularly, etc??
all the best....
Rob

AAARRRGGGGG!!!!!!I HATE IT!!!!IHATEITIHATEIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
GGrrrrrrr......[}:)]
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although, I am smiling but LOL still hate it....

Even if I said "yes pot puts holes in your aura" or "no it doesn't" would you really be any wiser?! Would you really understand any more what that means, or would you still be in "guessing" territory? You could extrapolate things from that idea (ie guess) but I prefer to talk about the blatent effects. Smoking too much pot screws with your head and energy body, yup, thats relatively obvious. Yet I still toke some. Well, screwing with the head anyway, and I can confirm that pot has done nasty things to my energy body but I think it depends upon the person a lot too.

Personally, for more spiritual persuits, I prefer other drugs over pot. But! I have a good friend, we took shrooms after our exams had finished, had a good time, then a bit of spliff. Totally knocked me out but I can deal with that stuff- my mate couln't, and it kicked off a depression he is still in. Admittedly its a kinda yearly depression he has been through the past 3 years running, but this time it was started by drugs. If he hadn't have smoked weed too, who knows? It was a pretty stupid thing to do really since we were both so totally whacked out and exhausted after exams anyway but hey, party on.
I know of other people who have gone completely off the rails (loony, nutty, 20 sandwiches short of s picnick!) after one go on mushrooms.

So yeah, moderation required with weed IMO, not that thats something I am any good at but hey! And unless you know your own mind well, are confident in your ability to manipulate it, and relatively secure as a person, best not to get into anything harder? Flip side I have had some incredible experiences on other stuff (and I used to be VERY insecure as a person before ahh my mind started getting "out there"), ranging from things I have learned which have stayed with me (ooohh the things some drugs have taught me []) to total freedom and complete love, real healing. Awesome. But caution is required, people can do some seriously stupid things at times!

Rob

Hey
Those are two really good orbs pictures!! Thanks for posting them, I look forward to seeing more!
Rob

Dont think I am (though computers do go wrong a lot around me - mebbe just cos I abuse them tho []). However I did have one experience a few years ago where I woke up on "another level", tried to switch the light on - bulb blew, next room, light refused to go on (think I killed thatg one too). Lucky I didn't touch a computer then eh?? hehe.

Rob

Hey

Err when I was younger (backstage prep room before going onstage in London []) I tried this thing with a group, ooh one person lying down and 6-8 around them I think, where we kinda called on spirits and got a levitation effect going. Each of us put two fingers from each hand under the person and they lifted off the ground with no effort on our part - fingers just touching. Upon the words "spirits break" they were supposed to release the person. Someone whispered this and well, thats what happened - he fell and we had to move fast to catch him. But, I am not convinced you need to attract entities to do this, nor am I convinced thats what we did (but I am sure that doing so was unsafe - I tried being around the edge once, out of curiosity). Other people have done similar with hands facing upwards all together under a person sitting in a chair, and apparently it takes no effort to lift (know people who have done this).
What I think IS going on is to convince the subconscious mind to do it. 100% belief can achieve anything, including flight IMO. The other effect which may or may not have been going on was shape effects, where geometrical shapes (probably in the structure of tissues in the hands) causes an type of thrust. Some russian bloke did a lot of work into this - name Grebennikov (Cavity Structural Effect I think - discovered it through his love of insects, was a professor on <insect study>). Interesting stuff, claimed to make a flying platform and there is a piccy of him floating a few feet off the ground on it. Dan Davidson also looked into shape power.

RedDragon - I am guessing Nay edited out some swearing from your post. So did I.
"How could any noise that a monkey makes or squiggles on paper be wrong?"
Because some people ("monkeys") are offended by that sort of thing, and as such we need to respect them (eg my gran, my mum, etc). If you cant respect that some people dont, say, want their kids on a site with swearing, or just think swearing is completely unnecessary, and consider that unreasonable then that makes you at least as unreasonable too. Sorry, but thats the way it is! Personally, I have as dirty a mouth as the next man (probably much worst than most, infact) but these are the rules here so do us a favour and just accept them aye? Throwing insults around is totally unnecessary, and how hard is it not to swear, really? Would it pain you that much?
(btw no Nay did not point me here)

laterz..

Rob

"I mean, if you say you love with wife, mother, girlfriend etc...You really love them for how they make you feel"

By that logic any positive act you do is a selfish act, as you are only fulfiling your own intent (to give an emotional or mental reaction when done). Same with any emotion. IMO this is a silly argument [].

"Is love just an emotion / sensation that you can create even without having a mother, girlfriend, wife."

JUST an emotion? Hey, thats your interpretation! Besides, emotions don't just stay "in there" with you anyway, they spread out from you as well. And yes (I agree??) that it is possible to create any emotion without a necessary outside impretus (eg not "I will feel love for myself because of <this>" but "I will feel love" and then just FEEL it). I actually read a book or article or something which said that this is impossible - but thats BS!

One other thing - I think its different for everyone. The "hollywoodised" version of love left me confused for a while, until I figured hey, each to their own! There are two types of love I know - relationship-wise and all encompassing spreading out unconditional like. I think they might be related to different chakras (solar plexus - possessing rapture, heart - unconditional)

Rob

Yep, addict, totally need a regular net fix. Umm...but I dont have a problem!!! (starts shaking, cold sweat appears on inguma's forehead....gdgdgdsararraga)

Ahem

Qui-gon - another not bad show is http://www.beyondtheordinary.net/audioondemand.shtml
The interviewers are OK, though they do have some good guests on. Had Barry Carter on yesterday talking about ORMUS...sweeeet. Oh, but I tend to ignore the Ramtha stuff...sounds cultish...
Personally my favourite has to be coast to coast. The interviewers are good, though they are total whores, and they have some very good guests. Rense just rants too much for my liking, and the ads can be sooooo annoying!!
There's another...couple I listen to....umm not on my own comp at the moment though, ggrr! Oh well. Will post again in a couple of weeks if I remember []
Oh yeah whitley on dreamland/unknown country is the other biggy. Pretty good, aye.

Rob

Hey cinnabardk

They are sacred symbols because they have been held sacred for so long in the minds of so many people - and as such have been connected higher forces. Deities are created on similar lines.
They may also have power of their own inherant in the geometry eg like pyramidal shapes (see book "shape power" by dan davidson).
In this instance, I think I used practically every sacred symbol I could think of!! []

interesting thoughts though

Rob

Logic - all she is saying is that she hasn't tried a digital recorder yet.

Its a reeeaaaally nice website! Very snazzy, nice one.
So Malissa - hints there that you've tried lots of techniques. Ever done the one where you make a wav file on your computer, and use that german program to cut it into sections and then randomly play them back? I've got some good positive results from it, buts its difficult to use. How does it compare to recording off static?
Rob

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SD and I disagree on a number of topics, even tho he is a close friend

Oh really? Thats interesting - SD seems to have a lot of friends here!  So who else do you know?! (from before you got here, I mean). I've tried to get friends, some of them spiritually minded, onto this site but I never see them posting, tis a real shame.
laterz..

Rob

Well, whaddayaknow! I'm staying at my parents place at the moment, and when we painted my room, I put loads of pentagrams, crosses, and other sacred symbols with rather large proportions in paint as a kind of undercoat. Lol they've given up asking me questions....
Anyway in the last week or so I've felt something in my room at night. Then, last night, I woke up about 30mins to an hour after going to sleep to see some weirdy kinda scary face/figure standing RIGHT NEXT TO MY HEAD!!! On my right. The cheek!!!! It was also playing silly bugger with my mind while I slept (suspect its been the cause of some disturbing dreams too). I didn't stop to take a second look, and got up out of bed heading for the light switch (to my left - while singing YHVH[]). I was pretty disorientated through, and moved in almost totally the wrong direction, took some fumbling. I was NOT impressed....damn thing.
But weird, cos if it was a true nasty neg, it wouldn't have like the atmosphere in there at all (still, could have been). If an ex-human, it probably wouldn't have looked like it did or had the skill to play with mi'heid. So, elemental maybe? Something from "somewhere else"? Weird.

gotta go eat brunch...

Rob

Hey there!

For what its worth, I woke up a couple of years ago with a dark black figure at the bottom of my bed. I came to the conclusion (with some other truly unnerving data from the incident) that it was my resident neg, and the reason I was able to see it was because it was getting ready to do something. I woke because, IMO, my body felt this thing in my room, materialising or whatever, and decided I really should best not be sleeping.
In your case, however, I doubt the things you are seeing are bearing down on you with hostile intent - have you ever experienced proper attacks? I suspect, however, you woke up for similar reasons to me. Your mind/boby sensed the presence of something else around you - on some of the occasions. You were able to see them probably because, straight after we wake up, we often have real time sight still going strong ie seeing into the near astral. I have a friend who, like you, sometimes wakes up to see things like spiders etc in his room, of various sizes. The advice I gave him was not to worry - if they aint hurting you, best leave them alone and see them as a kind of point of interest. If you started waking up on a regular basis and seeing scary stuff, that would be a different matter, but I dont think thats the case here.
Well, that covers "some" of the things you have seen! The flowers incident, probably a close spirit (someone deceased, a familiar type, etc) woke you up and used your temporary real time sight to show you a bunch of flowers and temporary real time hearing to speak to you. Or if it/they were more skilled they could probably implant them into your own mind or use some more powerful technique (but since this is occuring as part of a pattern, I doubt it). I also strongly doubt your own subconscious mind would wake you up and give you such a message - it would almost certainly come through in a dream instead, and wouldn't have been so....normal! Be totally bizarre if that was a creation of your own subconscious IMO.
The bright glow in your room, again your mind waking you up and real time sight. Probably picking up on some local energy field or event (human or natural, I dunno, would probably say natural but intuition says human.....meh!).
The weird eye......um!!!!!! Well its obviously symbolic of the third eye.....err I thought the lotus flower was supposed to represent the crown chakra but I am not sure about that. Anyway this is a blatent referance to your anja chakra (third eye). I would say that because you've been doing NEW your energy body is becoming more powerful and active and, as a consequence, your anja chakra is becoming more and more active also. You might well start seeing more things as you wake up, and in general.....although where this one came from, I couldn't say! I would, however, assume the source to be the same one as gave you the flowers! Probably like saying "hey! You're doing well, keep it up! Your anja is looking real sweet!" or similar []. If this is the case you can also say whoever sent the message has a good knowledge of the human energy body, know anyone dead like that?

So nooo, dont worry about this stuff! Your room aint becoming a zoo! - I mean, how many real spiders do you see on average every day? And how many astral spiders??? I would guess more of the former, right??!
Personally, if I were you, I would be more chuffed than concerned! Think of it this way - you've got a nice spirit out there that likes you and gives you interesting message to wake up to occasionally (you could try and make further contact, but dont jump to any conclusions....). AND you have natural psychic skills. AND your NEW practices are bearing unusual fruit. Pukka!!!!![]

hope this helps..

Rob

quote:However Im more frightened by what SD said about my Chakra points (from Astral projection..) Apparentally my "power chakra" point (the one above the belly button, has been completely shattered. Every time he searched for it it came up as almost like glitter dispersed throughout my aura. He said that my aura in general was "off" and couldnt quite place what was wrong with it. I asked him if it were unstable and he said no, its just off.

Sentinal, dont be worried by what SD said to you in the above. To be frank, I'd bet a pound to your penny its rubbish. And if it isn't, then there is not much you can do except wrap up your worldly affairs - but then, I would not advise doing that.....even the aura of someone who is about to die it weak, but not "off" completely. And your chakra is not "shattered" - again, if it were you would probably be experiencing horrible pains there and, possibly, you would already be dead. I dont even think this postulated situation is possible. Same if your aura was "off" - you'd be needing a fresh suit, but little else, and all the advice in the world wouldn't make squat difference.
On the old forums (before this one appeared the regulars had a very simple board....back in the day []....) someone came on there talking about a certain magical practise they had been undertaking which involved sex and manipulating the base chakra. But something had gone wrong, and he was getting sudden, crippling, agonising pains through his base chakra and etc. Guy called Romero de Cunha was around at the time (friend of RB's, totally incredible guy from what I have heard) and was very concerned. Basically he said if your base chakra gets that badly out of whack, you can die. This guy was going through bouts of agony on his most important chakra (everyone's most important chakra, at that) but he was still here. Romero offered his help and I cant remember what happened after that, dont think I heard much else about it.
I haven't read all this thread, I'll do that tomorrow (was actually about to go to bed but then my intuition forced me back onto the boards and into this section and so now....here I am!), but considering you do not appear to be in any pain, are still emotionally capable, and capable of writing without strings attached and a burly puppetteer, I'd say you are OK!!

"He initially assumed it was because my third eye wasnt fully open."

Um.....say again?
I was chatting to a bloke I met on these forums a while back, and he was all like "so, have you opened your third eye yet?!".....deary deary me. Too much BS floating around out there you know? Its not like you go through some sort of initiation and your third eye is from then on "open". Basically, it just doesn't work like that, its much more like a mustle.

I would suggest you do some reading of RB's NEW energy ways, and look into the eastern chakra systems if you are still interested. Go back to the true sources of knowledge, and if you still want real help dealing with the situation, as a rule, dont deal with people under the age of 30 or there abouts - they'll be far too inexperienced and wont know enough about what they're rambling on about. Just like me!....
But I know a bit, and for now, thats enough

quote:But oddly its rock solid.

Yeah, odd that isn't it!?!!!!! [] ....

Dinne'fash yourself! Ie dont worry. But, if you want to give yourself some piece of mind on the chakra front, then I suggest you take a complete break from any serious energy work, ground yourself in real life, only do light meditations and dont go using any psychic skills you have available. Let em rest.

laterz.....

Rob

ps Dago - well, entities can take many forms, who knows? Unless it hurts you, or you start having loads of nightmares, or any other sign, I would give the same advice to you as I just gave to Sentinel - dont worry about it! (hey I'm good at giving out free advice aren't I??! HA!) Look fondly on the experience as one of life little "ooOOOooohhh that was interesting"'s! And you probably saw him because of differences in natural and developed psychic skills, an enquiring mind, lack of psychic dampeners, or just because you were on a "high" day and she wasn't. C'est la vie eh?

No, but you might be able to pre-order it - it aint out yet, should be about october if I remember right. I am told you can definately pre-order from amazon.
Rob

Personally, I used to simply believe in God, but belief is not knowledge. Now, I KNOW God is real, because I have seen his effects first hand and directly. That is, He has answered prayer of mine, twice, instantly, and unmisseably in a very real physical fashion. However, these were not prayers such as "oh great God please prove your existance to me" - I have a feeling God wont furnish you with such proof if that is all thats on your mind. In my experience, when my prayers were answered it was more of a lesson on other things (I remember both very clearly - though I had to think for a minute on the first one!). And perhaps he was giving me some reassurance that he was there too []

However, these experiences of mine are entirely personal, and I would never use them to prove the existance of God to anyone else. Ultimately, even if I were to tell them to you people, you still wouldn't KNOW in terms of absolute proof, as it would only be second hand info.
Philosophy can give you hints, but it can only take you "so far" - there is very little absolute in philosophy ("I think therefore I am" and that is it!!!) - and anything which is not absolute cannot be considered proof.

It is my opinion that you should go out there and draw conclusions from your own life experience, and only your own life experiences. Because in the end, thats the best and only real proof you can rely on [].

Rob

hullo again!

the bit on the oil of iron was on the ormus workgroup I think, probably a week or so ago now. I think that post had that as its name.

"Have you read the book of "A Rosicrucian Notebook ~by Willy Schrodter"?"

Noo, infact - I have never even heard of it! Rosicrucians?? Sounds dodgy.... Yes, I know who they are! Kinda []

"I live in Cal."

damn you and your sunny weather!!!!!!!!!

Rob

garden? or go out into nature? or use the distractions to make your meditations stronger? specifically first time in the morning before the rest of the house wakes could be a useful time. Depends what you are doing though I guess doesn't it!

Yeah, I had used the ball point pen technique to remove some moles, but other refuse to leave. Its an interesting one, as are some of the unpleasant side effects. But, I hate trying to answer people when they question it!

Sweetwater - interesting posts, and yes a lot of RB's stuff is low level but then its designed to help people who cant do any form of magic. Most useful for people who are under attack too, rather than those with entrenched pre-existing negs. However, a lot of the techniques certainly do weaken the connections and, over time and with persistance and lifestyle changes, I believe most negs can be evicted using these methods. But I'm far too inexperienced to say for sure.

adio

Rob

Phong:

quote:
Sorry. It's just that I've been in the state you describe since I was 9, with very short moments of relief. I'm pretty certain that whenever things start appearing dull, though, it's because they are dull

You know, I used to live in the falkland, and we would go walking over the beaches there every so often. Well, quite regularly. I used to love watching the perfect-suchness (indescibeable really) of the water lapping over the white sand, and the "patterns" on on the water. My dad could never see it, and I doubt I could have a few years before.
My point is, its all a matter of perspective. And thats something you can change, over time. But not by trying to get away from the negatives, that never works, more by drawing yourself on to the positives. And then too, you only change if you truly want to. You'd be amazed how many people say they want to but really are stuck to the very things they want to change. Weird.
My 2 pennies worth (hah!! no cents for me!!!!! []), make of it what you will.

Rob

Capacitors store energy (and can be used to buffer energy spikes). They release the energy VERY quickly when the pressure's taken off as one short pulse. Electromagnets build an electromagnetic field when current runs through them, when the current ceases the field collapses, causing an equal current to flow in the same direction as the first (called "back emf" and is something electrical engineers generally try to avoid....sigh!). A rectifier diode only allows current to flow one way through it - I think you are thinking of an LED or Light Emitting Diode.
Well, I dont know much about electronics either! I prefer to learn what I need when I need it.
Alchemy! Nice! Did you see that oil of iron post on the ormus newsgroup the other day? I think I'm going to send that to a chemistry student friend, see what he makes of it.

"I looked in your profile and saw that you use AIM do ya still use it"
Yeah, well, actually I use trillian which allows me to connect to all the networks and the software is, on the whole, much much better. But I am in yorkshire at the moment, at my parents place, so not able to get to my comp which has all that stuff on it.....should be back to place around uni in a month or two.

"and that you play games what games do you play?"

ACTION QUAKE 2!!!!!!!! ROCKS!!!!!!!! Tehehehehe......quite retro but oh so much fun. I map a bit too. Dont tend to go in for stealthy games - just give me a big gun and let me run!
Also play some c&c generals, ummm.....quake 3, unreal tournament, halo.....generally first person shooters (FAST ones!) and strategy, maybe driving games too but rarely. PC gamer.

You???

Rob

Have you changed as a person much? Become more stressed? More negative in general? That sort of thing will really sap your energy. Possibly some sort of lifestyle or attitude change. Or you got a neg of some sort mincing around.
Eat ormus....
Rob

quote:All I'm saying is that technology CAN be intertwined with nature

Yes yes yes!!! I have a dream.....aahhhh. IMO whats important is for the technology to be clean, and unrestricted. For instance, flying anti-gravity cars instead of what we have now which require roads. Zero-point energy instead of, well, anything which actually burns fuel.
Also technology that uses whats already given in nature - for instance computers built solid state into rocks. Screens which project direct from and around quartz blocks to create an integrated screen.
Further, technology can be used to enhance nature (ORMUS) - or at the very least, remove blockages (resonance tech, orgone, vortex freeing, etc).
I have a device called a chembuster and by the time I moved it at the end of last year, while the rest of the garden was relatively barren, around the CB flowers were blooming, growth was lush and thick for a couple of meters, getting less the further away. Still need to get the photos of that developed, I didn't expect to see actually see it working so strongly though I had been told that it would (the area of lush growth was also a spot where there was LESS sun than the rest of the garden!).

any sci-fi writers here???!!

Rob

Aha yes now the free energy electrical concept. I just needed to have another look at the book in the end []
OK you have a capacitor, then an electromagnet, then another capacitor. If you start with one charged, current will even between the two caps at first - but cos its passing through an electromagnet it creates an electromagnetic field. When current stops flows as the caps have evened out the charge the field collapses and the back emf ramms the rest of the charge from the first cap into the second one. End result is the mirror image of what you started with - the second cap has all the charge, with very little in the way of losses.
Now, if you want to create free charge, and hence free energy, all you need to do is be a little cunning and kinda break the circuit half way between, and have a rectified diode there with it. That way, once the charge has evened itself out between capacitors, the field collapses but this time its taking the easiest route - which happens to be the one (break and diode) without the first capacitor on it. End results the first cap is at 50% initial charge but the second one is at 100% charge. Get it???!! Its easier with an electrical circuit infront of you.....
Anyway that is the primary mechanism. To make anything useful from it you need a sly way to shuttle charge back and forth, or use an actual mechanical spinning wheel which is powered by the brief electromagnets field spike, and also you can use that spinning wheel to time the shuttling of charge between the capacitors.
Lol you really need to get the keelynet book "free energy and high voltage something" (err not sure name right now is downstairs!) by george moonhie. Top quality!
Another fe mechanism involves permanent magnets (one with collapsing the field into a piece of iron between two magnets then removing the iron and watching the magnets sping apart with a sacrifice of only 1/6th energy to remove the iron - sounds simple though, need to test it. Another uses a rotational aspects to permanent magnets which not very many people at all know about - sshhhh!!! [8D])
mebbe i can provide you with the relevant circuit later, but not now, I need bed!

adios

Rob