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I have no idea. But you reminded me of something that happened a year or so ago - very similar. I was very into projection attempts, and at the time dear hubby was away on a trip and I was alone home with the little ones. I was attempting projection before bed, fell asleep and woke with a jolt to hear the smoke alarm going off. Scared the poop out of me.  I went to the hallway, the alarm stopped after fifteen seconds or so, I was shaking and went back to bed.  (there was no smoke, so I figured it had shorted or something.) Neither kid woke up. I figured it was because they sleep deeper or something. It never occured to me that the event might have been non-physical.

Next morning, I figured I needed to change the batteries. When d.h. got home he told me that I didn't need to - because it is wired into the house.

I was puzzled. It hasn't happened since.  The few people I have asked can't explain why the alarm might have gone off like that - It's a little mystery.

I'm not saying that we experienced the same thing, but there sure are similarities. Who knows?

The other strange sound phenomenon I had definitely was projection-related - I was trying very hard one night to project, really really hard. Holding the awake/asleep line as tight as I could; as long as I could. At one point I heard a muffled explosion that shook the house. My first thought was that an atomic bomb had detonated somewhere, it was like an audible wave/boom and scary as ####.  I mean LOUD.  I woke up and went to ask dh what the #### that had been - of course he hadn't heard a thing.

Weird stuff happens with these explorations! I find it pretty exciting, to think that it really hints at a greater type of existence. (I'm pretty fed up with what passes for existence in the physical world! But coupled with the idea of something greater, the depth of meaning really increases even IN the physical world.)

So, what's the 6 oclock alarm method? My early morning experiences are usually distinct from the middle of the night stuff, so I am curious what this method entails.

Patty

Hi Quant and everyone,

there has been a lot of interesting input here.

Back to your original post - I usually try to stay close to home in the closest plane (mirror plane?) because I want to absolutely beyond doubt verify that my experiences reflect a legitimate state of being separate from my body.  I still have a lingering doubt that my experiences are all in my mind, and so I have my husband hide things in our house that I try to identify while out of body.  (I have recently also tried the card trick where you put a playing card face-up somewhere and try to identify it while out--of-body.)

So that's why my personal journeys aren't to the far reaches. Why explore Jupiter if you aren't even certain that you're really out of your body?

But that being said, one night on a lark I tried a moon shot. WE were staying at a hotel and so there wasn't an experiment 'set up' in the room, and so when I unexpectedly found myself 'out' I wondered what to do with the opportunity. First I stuck my head through the ceiling tiles, I figured I would check when I woke up and see if had identified what was above the tiles. Then I decided to try a moon shot for kicks I shot through the ceiling and careened up towards the stars. It was a blast! But, I ran out of steam halfway there and fell back.  I was exhausted when I got back to my body, and I slipped into a dream.

Now, I know that there aren't supposed to be limitations on astral travel. But I guess it makes sense that preconceptions from the physical world will influence your experience - even if the preconceptions aren't conscious. I am aware that it akes a LOT of fuel to get to the moon, so I wonder if that is why I didn't make it.

Incidentally, when I woke up I looked at the ceiling. The bedroom didn't have ceiling tiles; it was solid. The bathroom had ceiling tiles, and I popped one up to take a look ---- Unfortunately what I saw behind the tiles did not match the astral exploration.  I have some strong hits and some misses, which is why I am so focussed on validating the out-of-body state to eliminate my doubts.

So, where you would go first?

Patty

Someone asked what the consciousness level is like the first time you OBE, with the idea that consciousness gets stronger with practice.

Well, keeping in mind that we perhaps all OBE every night and have ever since we were born, the first time I became AWARE of being separate from my body - I was about 32 years old - and the shock jolted me to full awareness.  I don't think it was 'hyper-real' but it was as real as physical. The second experience was the same.

Everything subsequent has been less conscious - Still aware, still able to explore and expand my understanding, but I am mildly groggy. Like "Oh yeah, another travel. Wake me up when it's over."  Which really ticks me off when I wake up and feel like I missed an opportunity, though I am THRILLED at the relative frequency of even mild experiences after 32 years of basically nothing.

Well, you have all motivated me to turn in and try some of these tweaks on old techniques.

Patty

I'm going to try the falling sensation - thanks, bitsmart.

My problem is generally that the deeper I go, the harder it is to stay alert. One thing that helps me, is to mentally articulate that my mind and my body are divorced from each other. For some reason, forcing the idea of separateness of mind and body helps me allow one to do one thing, and the other to do another thing. Wording is important to me in these explorations. "Allowing perception' works; 'seeing' doesn't.  "Divorcing' mind from body works, ' separating' the two doesn't.

The rope technique has a fantastic pull for me - but I never go anywhere with it. I just get worn out. THe other night I tried the rope from my head - and was surprised to have the same tug atmy head that I normally have at my chest.

Still,. I got worn out and gave up. What should the goal be? SHould one expect that five minutes of active rope tugging would do the trick? Or is more like an hour necessary?

Patty

Tisha!

I loved the effect that Monroe's writings have on me and my attempts.  I It's like it sets up the right resonance in my body. Ooooh - just writing about it is getting some energy flowing.

I don't know about your questions - though I feel like we must be in close 'classes'  But I wanted to comment on your last comment -

After my first ever and very vivid projection, which was early morning, for about forty minutes my vision was not right. I saw slices of light whenever I turned my head. I felt a buzzing sensation.  Not pleasant, but not too bad either. The light show was weird.

It hasn't happened with my more dreamlike projections, so I wondered if it happens more with a more vivid projection.  Like the more consciousness you bring to the experience, the harder it is to consciously reintegrate all the way.

but I don't know!

Patty

Thanks everyone!

Regarding terminology - ("psychic energy" etc) - I am uncomfortable with most of the terminology I hear- but in order to communicate ideas I generally use whatever terminology seems most appropriate to the group. I never use the word "chakra' with my husband because he would roll his eyes. I'd probably talk about different physical regions of the body instead. But I would talk about chakras (or 'psychic energy') here in order to try to communicate most effectively.

A lot of the personal journey is without words and no words are necessary - but when you try to apply your experience to other's understandings, well until I master telepathy I feel stuck with words.

Thanks again!  I feel renewed hope that practice might lead to more reliable frequent experiences.

Patty

Hi Paola-

It seemed like that was how it was 'working' for a while. It was during a period when I more or less wasn't sleeping well, and so even on my stomach I was able to maintain a light sleep.

I meant my astral arms.  I don't know why the bed would offer support - maybe something like how solid we perceive these things to be in the astral realms. LIke how you can go through walls but you don't fall through the floor.  (Of course, I usually balk at walls, so I go through closed windows instead.)

I've never had small during an outing. Neat! Do you get that a lot?

Patty

Wow. You've seen a thing or two, eh? I won't be able to help with your question but I wanted to say 'hey' anyway.

I don't know the answer to conscious exit. My experiences are kinda like the ones you describe that occur through the night, with poor sleep, for me I am kind of buzzing all night and lift out, fall back, etc.

What I've found over the years is that really strong desire is a great tool for success in any non-physical area, so it sounds like you have that. Also, that the experiences continue to change and evolve - so even though I haven't found the holy grail of projection, I am learning a lot about the whole process. And I am guessing that nonphysicality is huge, so there is an awful lot to learn. Even little things that you learn (like in the last few weeks I have been working on better flow through my throat chakra with great results) are steps towards the holy grail. I mean it is phenomenal - one experinece might be sightless but have incredible tactile sensations. Another experience might be entirely in house, but where you can see your etheric arms separate from your body.  Another experience might be pure energy giving you different sensations, with no 'result' but the knowledge of what the experience feels like.  I think these are all parts of non-physical experience.

Never done Meth amphetamine, been at this for about 4 years now.  Or possibly 6 depending on how you calculate it.

Patty

HI -

i think success at projecting has more to do with focused intent and desire. If you are half-hearted about it, you probably won't give it the attempt that you need to succeed. And vice versa.

Does anyone else find this? That it is things like intense need/desire and focused effort that allow you to have a good projection?

I think we all have good and bad within us. I think 'expanding awareness' can mean both greater consciousness for efforts like OBE, but it can also mean greater awareness of the interconnectedness of all things (including other people!). So expanding one's awareness to how we are all part of something greater (whether that is simply a global society, or a greater communal consciousness)  may naturally lead to less 'negative' thoughts towards or about others.  Greater empathy and that sort of thing.  But it probably starts with self- acceptance rather than trying to change anything about oneself. Don't get too hung up on concerns about negative thoughts.

Patty

The back is usually easier for exactly the reason you mention - because you are less lkely to go into a deep sleep.  (Stomach sleeping is deeper.)  In my experience, when I started I needed to be on my back. Once I got 'used' to what it was like to project (although I am still working on a conscious exit; I only seem to have success from near-sleep or sleep) being on my stomach was no problem. In fact for a while it was easier because I could 'push' myself out with my arms.  I've been away from heavy duty activity for about 2 years and I think that as a result I need to start on my back again, until projecting once again becomes a regular activity.

You can do it from any position - I think it is the mental state that is important and your position will affect your mental state; so find the position that keeps you in the relaxed - but - aware state that you need.

Patty

Try physical stretching/relaxation through the day. Try the awareness hands techniques to clear blockages there when you meditate.

I've had remarkable results with the awareness/energy techniques that Robert suggests - thinmgs like physical manifestations of cleared channels and amazing new sense of energy movement through the chakras.

I'm  confused - does your post mean that you have figured out your first question here?  have you made progress in the last couple days?

Patty

According to Astral Dynamics, the exit is a reflex.  So you don't have to consciously do it - you just have to trigger the reflex.

So in my opinion the best place to do that is from the passive state - I am guessing that as you focus on an action like moving your etheric body, you subconsciously strengthen the bonds that keep your etheric body in your physical body.

THis leads to the question - how to trigger the reflex? You could try the bounce technique that Robert writes about, you could ask for help from nonphysical guides, you could try to maintain your focus at some point outside your body, you could try some sort of focused prayer (or any combination)   -----  I know from experience that it seems like you're at the door knocking and no one is letting you out, but perhaps that just means that with patience and continued practice it will happen?

ps in my experience, it IS a reflex -  I will think that I am ready for liftoff and try these sorts of things  that I mentioned - and eventually fall asleep only to become aware (FULLY aware) out of body a while later.  SO in my opinion there is something still anchoring your etheric body that you have to find a way around.

Patty

Ah rats. I'm sorry to hear that you wasted an hour, too! Though education is good I guess -

i'm still looking for a "Brian Church" that I supposedly retrieved (he was dead but didn't know it....) ---- that search turns up every 'church' in the country, no luck with finding the hypothetical dead guy though...... Three years and I still wonder about that experience .....

Patty

Hi Sylvain,

It's hard to know if we're talking about the same thing or not, isn't it? I have sure gotten warm fuzzies all my life in response to different stimuli - but what I shared in this thread was different. Ex: Towards the end of this memorable week, I had trouble moving my limbs of my own accord. This was not the 'disinclination to move limbs" that I experience in light trance, it was "Oh my god, my arms are moving and I'm not the one moving them. Who the hell is driving???!!!" I genuinely thought I was being possessed by some energy being.  I still haven't ruled out the possibility, though I try not to 'feed' that fear by focusing on it.

I've also had a couple OBE's - though they were very brief and from a sleep state.  (Not to be confused with lucid dreams, which occur on a regular basis.)  So I wasn't aware of the pre-exit vibrations. But the experiences themselves were amazing.  Amazing.

Anyway, don't share the download if your instincts tell you not to -  Even though it has been ten years, and by and large we're all decent trusting folk here, this is the internet! In my opinion you won't be really changing anyone's personal paradigm, you'll just be satisfying our curiosity for a few days.  I'm a glutton for personal accounts, so sure I'd love to read your experience too.  but to be honest it's only the personal experience that I have that has much transformative value for me. If you think it would be good for you to share - by all means do. But if you are uncomfortable with the idea, then hold off.

A lot of NDE literature has 'knowledge' from beyond that gets roundly thrashed once it's shared. I think you should consider different possible outcomes of yourchoice to share.


Patty

HI Ralph,

Well, I would LOVE it if I was one of the youngsters. I always learn best when I'm near the middle/lower part of the class. You know, like not the newest kid on the block, but not the one leading the pack, either. So perhaps you are right. And just to reiterate - I am sure I would be able to learn something from anyone here.

I am thinking about how emotional trurmoil kept you from your meditations. I find that my depressed states alkso keep me from my exercises - even though when I am 'up' it seems that that shouldn't be the case. I would think that being emotionally wobbly, down a bit, might lend itself to more frequent 'escapes' from the body. this last time around I was depressed for a few weeks (mildly, teary, feeling low self esteem) and it didn't even occur to me to try meditating until three weeks of that sad stuff. But within a day or two of energy work I was feeling MUCH better.

I'd enjoy hearing more of how emotions affect (positively or negatively) your experiences.

Hi Tia,

Your cat experience has me laughing. The contortions we go to sometimes! Once, I was trying to clear an astral shelf, sweeping my arm across it to clear it. A minut later it was all cluttered again. I repeated my shelf cleaning about a half dozen times, and finally got so angry I started swearing. Are you allowed to swear in the astral reallms? If you say the "s" word, does it manifest? heh. I finally gave up and went for a flight.

yeah, I find the sensations are roughly the same each time around, but with progress. I've been at this about four years off and on, and I always have the sense of being filled up with warmth, from my feet up. Very similar to the energy circuit. I don't do the circuit, as I mentioned I am going to go with my instincts for a little while. The progression I feel lately is that if I allow this feeling to sweep me whenever - like sitting here typing and mentally suggesting a warm sweep - well it works and I am pleased to note that the sensation easily moves to my throat. Yippee! With a small effort I can get it to the crown, I think.  In the past it would not go to the throat but stop lower down, like in the heart.

I guess another technique that I use doesn't start with the feet but with the heart directly, I open that and envision love pouring in and that is pretty powerful; also very similar to how it felt in the past.

In general, the experiences have stabilized at a lower level than they were initially.  I hope/think that i am seeing a slow incline up - to a more vivid and convincing experience.  Only time will tell.

The reason I find the experiences depleting is because they put me in a lighter sleep at night. It finally dawned on me that if I make the simple adjustment of allowing an extra hour every night, I should be able to get the same overall sleep that I get from shorter, deeper sleep. Duh. SO that's worth trying, too.

I haven't had past life dreams in my experiences. Are you convinced by some of the things you see? What lives have you identified?  I'd also love to hear about your experiences with NEW - the ones you found amazing. I was personally amazed when one morning, I was trying to clear blockage, and when I went to pee I saw that the area I had mentally focused on had red marks radiating out from it. WOW! That was validating!  Maybe I'll concentrate on my throat this week, and look for some clearing there.

Patty

I always love checking these things out:

One google hit was a guy in a marching band in Michigan (he'd be somewhere around grade 14 by now):

http://www.pccs.k12.mi.us/makingnews/newsline/9912/4.html

THis seems to be the same guy quoted on another website as saying:

Hey Lassiter...I am from the Plymouth-Canton Educational Park Marching Band, and I have to admit, I wish I could have seen your whole show live. I was blown away by just the video of it! Congrats! You guys deserved it!
Brian Hoffmeister
Class of 2000, Guest
Plymouth, MI USA - Monday, December 28, 1998 at 20:17:45 (EST)

(The aol.com is an email, and it looks from another google hit that he went on to Ohio State University)

Another hit is Gay Republican Treasurer in St. Louis:

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/5741/

I'd be surprised if either of these feel right - but do they??

Patty

I KNEW there had to be other parents on this forum.  So this is where you are hiding.  I have some questions for the parents! Namely, if you have trouble balancing parenting with energy issues. Or how you find balance. That sort of thing. Here's why:

I think initially, I thought that if I allowed enough love to flow through me from the divine, that I would be 'perfect.'  Endlessly patient, perfectly loving, a light being here on the planet. (Sounds crazy, but you know, we think if only we tune in 'enough' we will become more like that which we are tuning into.)

Well...........   I am changing my mind on that one. Here's my thought, today.  Maybe having children (giving to others 'here' 24/7), and learning to meet my own selfish spiritual advancement desires (growth, time on other planes learning, etc) are two sides of the same coin. I am able to give more to my children NOT because I allow more etheric energy to flow, but simply because I have practical parenting experience every day. And maybe I am able to grow in my energy capabilities (allow more energy to flow, more freely) NOT because I have round-the-clock caretaking as a job, but because I practice letting the energy flow more freely. So each thing builds as you focus on it specifically. Want to be a better parent? Then parent.  Want to have greater energy flow? Then practice more energy techniques.

But here's the thing, if you're still with me -

BOTH have to be recognized. If they grow alongside each other, then the balance is kept. If they don't, I have trouble with depression, or anger, or something similar.

So, channeling energy, trying to tune into the abundant universal love, and so on hasn't MADE me a better parent. (Parenting has.) But energy work has allowed me to BECOME a better parent - I think the growth of one allows the other to grow more easily. The trick for me is to not get too lopsided. I start to resent it when parenting duties keep me from meditating, and that's not good for my kids. It's also not great for my kids when I immerse myself in energy pursuits to the point of ignoring some of their wants.

You asked:

. How has it changed your day-to-day life? Examples:

Your daily habits
Your relationships
The way you feel about yourself
Your job
Your level of engagement in the so-called "outside" world
Your values
Your religion
Your goals

I think the biggest single change is how I define (or at this point DON'T define) God.  I was raised catholic, and I still have a lot of comforting catholic beliefs. I like catholicism. But I have less idea what God is now. I look to the 'fruits' of various experiences, and sometimes an experience that seems at odds with Biblical teaching seems to bear good 'fruit.'

The other single biggest change is that sleep time is now as real as wake time, and is something I look forward to because I feel it will be an adventure. I can't wait to see what is 'on' that night. I suppose this falls under 'daily habits.'

I don't think I am more loving or anything. I think I am just seeing myself more clearly. The faults that were there before are still there, but I am learning to accept them or live with them or something. I think I used to live on autopilot more.  I think I used to have very little awareness - but I was unaware that I had a small amount of awareness. Now I am aware that I don't have much awareness. (LOL)  It is discouraging some days, to feel like I should be able to be more fully present - after all I meditate!  But on the other hand, I am aware of this shortcoming now, and before I wasn't.  So I still see this as growth.

Some say it is simply a process of aging - I am 36 and naturally am more aware of some things than I was at 20.

Big events, like the WTC - Ten years ago these would have seemed very far away.

Now they seem both very personal, but also inconsequential.  Personal because I recognize and know first hand what trauma can be for a person.  Inconsequential because I know that in the scheme of eternity our little planet is a drop in the bucket.  (lest anyone feel I am a coldhearted person, I will also say that I also see my own child's death in this two fold way - incredibly personal and traumatic; I will never get 'over' it, and also inconsequential as I will someday die, myself, as will we all.)

Relationships? I don't know ---- I want to believe we are all connected. I wanted to believe that before, too. Now, I can 'connect ' with someone by focusing on heart chakra energy. Before, it was through intellectual connection. But the heart chakra connection - can get touchy. Like if it is someone of the opposite sex.... I don't know where I am on that one.  I can feel incredibly in tune with someone through a heart chakra meditation, and if it is someone of the opposite sex there is a feeling of 'wrongness' about it along with the incredible sense of 'rightness' about it. So, you know. What's a girl to do. I'll muddle through, I'm sure.

the way I feel about myself - generally, less ego.

My goals - to enjoy the happy moments moreso than to seek happiness as an end.  I suppse that means to live in the moment. But also, now I find that I can remove myself from emotion. So depression, for instance, I get that - but I can distance myself from it. Sort of a recognition that "I" am experiencing this negative state but that "I" in an eternal sense can simply sit and observe myself experiencing it.

Due to the lengthy post, I'll leave it at that.

Good question!

Patty

Part of my personal technique involves staying awake while drifting into sleep.  Sometimes on the verge of sleep I will have strange experiences that jar me back awake. This can happen up to half a dozen times in an evening.

I have not had the ones you describe. Usually I have a muscle spasm, once I heard a HUGE explosion of sound, like an atomic bomb (I imagine) going off somewhere, there might have been other things but those two come to mind. I had always figured that since my intent was to stay awake, that either my subconscious or my guides were providing a mechanism to help train me to stay awake into sleep. I usually appreciate the help.

Yours sound more like exit symptoms though I haven't heard of ear popping exactly.



Patty

I forgot about that trick. I almost always project when it is dark and so, figured I would not be able to see the card.

but my kids now use a night light in the bathroom and it would be easy enough to put a card next to it- definitely within walking distance of my bed!

Hey! I'm gonna try it!

The related thing I have done is to have dear husband put something on a high shelf. Something I can identify by feel. I have had success with this! Only 'guessed' three times, but two were direct hits and one was close.

I don't know why I am still not convinced, the odds against that success by chance are pretty high.  I guess things like the 'close' hit leave me wondering and wanting to understand the basis for it.

Which brings me back to the idea of the enormity of trying to understand non-physical existence, and the idea that I don't HAVE to understand it and it doesn't HAVE to be real in order to hold value on a personal level.

I guess I'm of two minds about it, but boy oh boy those realtime regular OBEs would be cool.

Patty

Hey Justin!

Sure, I can relate.   My first ever projection, I am 95% certain was really an external projection. It relates well to your sight thing - I couldn't see at first. When I tried to 'see' I felt my eyes opening/body rousing so I stopped trying to see. I then thought of 'allowing myself to perceive.'  I could instantly see without any disturbance to my body.

This business of 'allowing' something is amazing. It is like dropping personal blocks, beliefs, or whatever. It's like a mental acceptance, a state of dropping ego.

So instead of trying to 'force' sight on the experience, try 'allowing' it to be there.  I'm curious if this works for you.

That being said, my later experiences might be dreams, the vision in them is different than the first flight. the later ones seem more plastic or moldable.  The first was definitely me in a place where things had an external concrete  reality, the later ones are more like if I wish it, it manifests. But still, I am able to verify details of those later flights which makes me think they are somewhat representative of an OBE state.

Heh - I put my face through the floor once. That's a tough one! I gave up on it, too. My few travels last night (which fall in the probably - but - questionable category)  were mostly around the house, and definitely did not absolutely reflect the light level, etc of the physical house. At one point my husband's astral form was in bed, despite the fact that he was still awake in physical reality.  Who knows.  I am thinking that the experience is valuable on a personal level regardless - though I definitely am looking for the beyond-doubt variety too, hopefully followed by having such a grand experience on a regular basis.

Nice to know there are other's around to talk with about it all.

Patty

Hi Tia!

I always see my interest going in waves -when I start a new upswing, I have lots of neat stuff happen, and then it starts to diminish, and I lose interest like you say. For a while.  Right now I feel committed to sticking with it this time, even after the sensations dissipate but I hope they don't.

I don't know what it means when the feelings diminish - whether there is a depletion of stored etheric energy in the storage centers, or whether I am subconsciously allowing less energy in, out of some unidentified fear, or something else.

I'd be interested to see what happens with you over the next few weeks Keepo posting! I'm curious if you decide to stick with your pursuits or take a break - Currently I don't do the full body circuit; I was doing that for about a month with some good results, I think I cleared blocked areas in the throat and now can get energy to the head chakras. But now I'm just doing energy work by following my instinct and personal guidance.

I hope to see some more action! I hope last night's travels weren't 'it' for this round!  Boy, how cool would it be to have this kind of stuff on a frequent and regular basis! Yowza!

Patty

p.s. but becoming comfortable with the vibratory state is probably a good idea regardless of your intention. I think a lot of people find that they become comfortable with it over time and also that the intensity of the experience diminnishes to more of a warmth flowing through the body.

Patty

Hi -

I want to also say that what you describe is normal.

Your goal doesn't necessarily need to be projection. (Of course, that's probably why we're all here on this forum!) Being surrounded by white light sounds like a wonderful way to do lots of things 'in house' like healing, dream programming, greater sense of oneness with the universe, and so on.

Patty

Thanks for your reply, Frank.

Do you think that the strong sensations represent blockage necessarily? Or is blockage always a bad thing?  That is, perhaps channeling energy and holding it there (purposefully allowing it to pool in one area) might be a good thing for certain purposes. I would guess we have different chakras for different reasons, you know.  So perhaps purposeful blockage is a good thing. Sort of opening/closing various 'gates' for different purposes.

I experimented last night, and I was able to allow the heart/balloon energy to move easily to my throat, and less easily to my head. Then I was able to pool it in my chest again, with the sense of expansion. So any blockage that is there seems inconsequential - that is, controllable.

I had some nice experiences following, too. Several possible projections of the variety where "I" am getting out of bed, feeling very lethargic but trying to go somewhere - I ask myself the whole time "Does this feel real?  - Yes, I can clearly feel the carpet with my feet; the doorknob with my hand, etc."   Only to wake up later and realize that my body was in bed the whole time. This happened three times.

Also last night, I heard my daughter in the room with me. Perhaps she was projecting. She told me that she was pleased that she could roam the house like this without being accountable to me ---- Hee hee! True, I am not goiing to police her astral excursions!

Finally, I went for a travel to a friends house. It was lovely.  I want to ask about that - where is the best forum to ask about guides (my friend was acting in the capacity of guide.)?

Patty

For a period of about a week, six years ago, I had something that might have been like a kundalini awakening.  I haven't had the experience you describe Sylvain, but there were some similarities. I was very distressed over personal problems, I was praying fervently --- Mostly prayers like "Please show me, help me, fill me with love, let me know I'm not alone...." That sort of thing.

I also made the conscious attempt to 'open up' to God. At the time, that concept made sense to me, though now it doesn't as much..... because my concept of God is different now than it was then.  Anyway, SOMETHING happened - like when I would sit and pray, a tingly energy point would start zipping around through my body. It felt like life, in the dead place that I was in. So I tried to access that feeling more and more frequently, it rejuvenated me, boosted my mood incredibly, and so on. THe feeling would swell to making my entire body feel vibratory (I wouldn't have described it as vibrations at the time) , warm, full of energy. I felt held and loved, etc etc (don't want to get too weird sounding but you get the drift.)

The problem was, when this feeling started overcoming me when I WASN'T seeking it. I would be at work, driving, wherever - and this strong feeling would start to overtake me. THis was a few days after the initial sense of a tingly point of energy. I started to freak - it was scary. SO I closed it off as best I could, started invoking Jesus name to ward off evil spirits, believed I was being possessed, etc. It took a few days, but eventually I felt like I had a hold on the door that had opened - that I could keep it closed as long as I put my mind to it.

I started praying to Mary - asking her how SHE knew to trust this or that remarkable experience; asking for things to slow down, and so on.

After the whole thing was in the past a little - well at first I was thankful to no longer feel possessed. After a few years I read Monroe's books and realized that possibly some of the sensations were pre-exit sensations. I started to try to pursue it, and was  (and continue to be) disappointed that the sensations never reached the level that they had previously. I am glad to be able to crack the door to the experience, but it seems hard to push it all the way open again.

So - I say that if you feel ready to pursue it, go for it. Take it slowly, and use your judgment. Bottom line for me is whether I want to act out of fear or not - Fear keeps me paralyzed. If I can act out of trust, well, so far after three years of attempts I don't think i've been body snatched or possessed or gone crazy yet.  I don't practice Catholicism presently, and I don't subscribe to ideas that such-and-such was obviously this-or-that when there are so many possibilities as to what the whole thing was.  

I enjoy the exploration and don't have paralyzing fear about it at present.

I'm curious what happens for you with this -

Patty