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quote:Originally posted by astralbody
My question is this normal or is it something else?

Well, unless you have a referee hiding under your bed, I think it's completely normal.  []

Sounds to me like a classic case of hypnogogic sounds.  The closer you drift away from your physical consciousness and closer to your astral consciousness, the more "Strange" things you will start to experience.  Namely, you'll start to "see" things that you aren't used to (visions, wierd objects, colors, etc) and you'll start to hear things that you normally don't hear (buzzing, loud bangs, static, hissing, etc).

All in all, those are good signs, because it means you're right at the border between your imagination and the astral realms.

Terrapixie, I moved this topic from the Astral Pulse Island forum to the Healing forum.  It's more appropriate here.

And to answer your question, no.  I have never heard of him.

I'm just curious though.  Tossing all paranormal thinking aside, and putting your skeptics hat on, how can you explain what we see in Beavis' TK video?

The pinwheel is enclosed in a sealed container, and the thing slowly starts spinning from a stopped position.

The only "skeptical" explanation I can think of (and a ridiculous one at that), is that perhaps the enclosure only LOOKS sealed.  Perhaps a fan or something nearby is moving it, due to tiny holes in the plastic enclosure.

Otherwise, I'm just curious, how would a skeptic explain what you see on that video clip?

quetzalcoatl,

Very nicely said.  I agree with everything.  If I may add to that, I believe in everything you said, but there is another facet of complexity that I want to touch on.

Not only will the astral conform to your thoughts, but I believe it can conform to the thoughts of those around you.

For example, if you and I were both projecting at the same time, and you imagined a big purple elephant 30 feet in front of you, I'm of the opinion that I would see the same thing (if looking).  Why?  Because in creating that elephant, you sent out creative thought energy and brought it into existence.  Since you and I would be operating in the same environment (astral, thought responsive, etc), I could pick up on this energy you sent out and see your creation.

This is why, I believe, places like the Astral Pulse Island can be viewed and shared by a multitude of people.

So as you can see, not only does the astral conform to your thoughts, but also to those around you, which is why it may be difficult, say, to be someone's pet monkey and perform all kinds of card reading experiments for them!

Sounds to me like a classic example of hypnogogic imagery.  If so, this is completely common and a biproduct of watching your body go to sleep by focusing on your mind's eye. [^]

quote:Originally posted by Osmanmasturbation hurts you physically

Shoot, then I'm a sado-masochist! []

quote:Then I feel parts of my body jerk.  Would these be more intense vibrations - or actually trying to separate?

Well, from my experience, the spontaneous jerking is NOT the vibrations, nor are they a separation reflex.  Instead, it's just your body spasming out a little bit....much like your eyes will flicker after going into a deep trance (REM stuff).

Whenever my body does one of those jerks, I try not to give it more than a seconds thought, or else it will distract me from my goal to project.

The vibrations which you're seeking are more subtle, and usually creep up on you.  That is, if you're projecting from a fully conscious state.  Otherwise, if you suddenly wake up from sleep with full-on vibrations, it can be more abrupt and violent.  

It all depends on the person, though.  I never really experience anything violent when it comes to projecting.

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I think I'm still getting distracted by those - it tends to focus me back on my physical body.

Like I said, just work on trying to ignore these body jerks.  They are a good sign, because it means you're slowly detaching your mind from your body's responses.  

Think about it, you probably jerk a number of times when you sleep but you never notice it (think of a dog dreaming, which twitches all over the place).  The reason why you don't notice yourself doing this is because your mind is detached from the physical body responses.  Well, when trying to project, a part of your mind is still somewhat conscious of the physical body, so little twitches and jerks will be noticed.

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As to what I asked you about contacting someone, yes, it is someone I know personally and a very interesting thing happened with that.  I was trying to OOBE, ended up falling asleep. At some point while dreaming, I felt like I contacted him.  It went from a vivid dream to a lucid, but dark and blurry vision of me looking at him -- then making myself look at his face to be sure this was who it was. After a moment, it went back to my vivid dream.  I just felt like I was out of body briefly, looking at this person.

I guess in that case, you wouldn't really KNOW if you contacted him unless:

1) You were completely aware and conscious at the time of the visit and KNEW that you were awake and seeing him

2) If you weren't sure if you were dreaming, you could see if the contactee has any memory of a visit.  This memory could be a dream with you in it, not necesarilly remembering you looking at him while he was laying down.

Very insightful, Phanuel.  You said exactly what I was trying to say, but probably better.  []

It's funny, but many people who're curious about OBE's ask the same thing: "What if I need to get back, how do I do it?"

Then you find out that the problem isn't getting back.  The problem is wanting to stay out longer!

quote:Originally posted by Centa Five
If you can become conditioned to looking for similar images in the future you may have encountered a way to project on demand from normal dream states which would be a real breakthrough!!  

Yeah, this happens a lot with me.  I'm trying to graduate from inducing OBE's from dream images to simply staring at hypnogogic imagery during my meditation exercises.

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I use the roll-out method also as it was my first successful projection position.  The speed of your jump to the ground may have been facilitated by what you felt was an urgent need to get down to the street in a hurry to check out those two. A gentle landing indicates that you were in complete control.

Yes, that could be a possibility.  I just think it's neat that sometimes, you never know just exactly what's going to happen in the astral!  It appears that gravity can fluctuate at times.  []

quote:
 I usually fload down and have on occasion jumped, hit the ground softly, and then bounced back up again.  That's what I like about OBBE's they always present us with surprised and new things to contemplate.

Yep!

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Could those two people on the street have been "Sleepers"?  

That also is a possibility.....although I have encountered a sleeper before, and they were more "non-responsive" than anything else.  I think the two I saw this last experience were either native astral entities, recently deceased people from an accident, or like you said, sleeping individuals.

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Unfortunately, these OBE's never seem to last as long as we would like.  Thanks again Jeff and keep posting your experiences as they are extremely helpful.

You're welcome.  Glad you liked my experience, Centa.

quote:Originally posted by m0d0

Cool recount Jeff.

Thanks!

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Maybe you fell quickly from the second floor because you had it in your mind to jump. Normally when we say jump it implies a fast landing. I could be wrong and im certainly no expert but it's possible. Maybe try floating or flying through next.

The thing is that I have jumped from higher structures before, and like I said, I ended up floating down slowly and gracefully.  This time, though, I fell at the speed you would expect to fall at when you jump out of a two story house!  It's just the landing didn't hurt.

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Brilliant recount though. Wonder what the whole Joey thing was?

Yeah, I wonder too.  Just some astral entity, I imagine.  That is one of those situations that now when I look back on it, I wish I would have investigated it further.  But at the time, I didn't think about it.

quote:Originally posted by holy reality
it is possible for me to contact REAL people (still living) even if I'm in a completely unreal cartoon like fantasy environment?

In my opinion, yes.  You can contact real people even though you are percieving what appears to be a cartoon environment.  Imagine like you're playing an online network game.  You may be in a futuristic environment, but thanks to TCP/IP, you can interact with your friends in this virtual world.

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How then, would I go about creating something and manifesting it into the physical, if doing so is possible? And is it any different than creating somthing in the dream scene?

I would say in order to create something in the astral and have it manifest in the physical, it would take an incredible amount of energy and concentration.  Personally, I think it's a big waste of time, considering all the other things we still have to learn and discover about this other hidden reality.

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Because like, when I'm lucid dreaming I don't want to go hurting people that are actually "real" per se, and I don't want to somehow do something in my dreams that will later affect my life.

Is there a reason why you would want to "hurt" people even if you knew it wasn't real?  Do you desire to beat up people in your dreams?

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And I still really want to know why I don't see auras around people and how I would go about finding a sleeping person in my house (or anywhere) and pulling them out of their body.

Pulling people out of their body isn't as easy as it sounds.  It's the same as waking a person up who's heavily medicated.  Even if they do get up, they often won't be in their right mind, and usually will have no memory of the situation.  I have both tried to lift someone out of their body, and been lifted out.  In both cases, the person being lifted out had no memory of the experience.

quote:Originally posted by coral1

Hi Jeff
 Thanks for sharing your experience.The part that caught my eye was what you said about going to your childhood home.This happens to me too on a regular basis.I don`t have any explanation for it but I`d be interested if anyone else experiences the same thing.There may be alot of stength in old memories that tie us to a specific place and time.

Cheers

Going to my childhood home is something that happens ALL THE TIME for me.  The only way I can explain this is that I have a strong emotional bond to the place.  Even now, if I drive past it, I get somewhat ticked when I see other cars in the driveway, because part of my feels like the house is still mine!

Anything that has a strong emotional bond to you in this life will be linked to you in the astral.

quote:Originally posted by Nagual
Any idea of "meaningful"/interesting exercises/experiments I could try...?  

I know exactly what you mean, Nagual.  Usually, I tell myself before having an OBE, "Ok self, there is SOOOOO much to do.  You can try and make contact with a guide, visit dead relatives, make contact with people on this forum, or hit the API."

Then I get out and I'm like, "Ooooh cool, a tree!"  Then I do something really stupid, like wander around my house!

I think the more we program ourselves to remember these tasks, the easier we'll be able to remember them when we are "out."

quote:Originally posted by Nay

Very cool experience Jeff!

I wonder what was wrong with the Joey guy?..very interesting indeed.  Did you get any feelings on this?

Nay, not really.  Sometimes my reaction in the astral is drastically different than in the physical.  In the physical, I may have been more concerned about this Joey guy.  However, when I'm having an OBE, I could probably see someone running around with their head chopped off and I'll simply go, "Hmmmm, that's odd."  []

Hey there Holy Reality.....

Allow me to explain the way I see things, and hopefully, it will alleviate some of your concerns.

First off, you seem mose distressed about the fact that when you projected, you saw things differently than what you wanted to see.  For example, your amp not being there, not being able to find "Steve the Bear," seeing your dead dogs, etc.

An important thing to keep in mind is that when you're having an OBE, you are not seeing ANYTHING.  That's right.  What you THINK you are seeing is not being SEEN at all.

What is really happening is that you're PERCIEVING things.  Your mind is translating energy into objects it can relate to in its memory banks, and then constructing objects based on the results.

So sometimes, things may be there and we just don't percieve them, just like right now, in the physical, we only percieve visual light rays and not ultraviolet light, or radio waves.

Also, when you are out, you have to understand that there is energy all around you.  You may find yourself in your house, and all of the sudden, you see a relative of yours in the front room, which would normally be physically impossible, because this particular relative may live far, far away.  Does this mean the relative is just a creation of your mind?  I don't believe so.  

You see, just as some people can communicate almost non-verbally in the physical (as is the case with some twins and other close relationships), we do the same in the astral, only much easier.  This is why, I believe, that particular relative could be in your house when you know they really aren't there.  Because you are communicating with one particular aspect of their multi-dimensional personality.

I have also seen my dead animals around the house, and at the time of the projection, you don't really think too much about it.  It was only after I came back that I was like, "Oh man!  That was my dog who's been dead for years!"

Now about projecting into the RTZ, I would say if you can feel the separation from your body, and if you're mentally and energetically stable, there is a good chance that you will find yourself there right away.  Just because you see "reality fluctuations" doesn't mean you aren't there, IMO.  You're just percieving things differently than what you expected.

Expectations are like coats at a party.  You need to check them at the door!

The vibrations may feel different to different people. For me, I canonly describe them like this.

Have you ever sat in one of those vibrating chairs?  Or had one of those vibrating pads pushed on your back to massage you?  That's all it feels like...a vibration!

I think people tend to read too much into them.  Just lay down, close your eyes, and go through your relaxation techniques.  First, you may just feel your heart beating.  Try to "feel" thi heart beat in different parts of your body.

This beat is like a mini-vibration in itself.  Usually what I do is that I start to stimulate my energy centers (chakras), which themselves pulsate, and I use this pulsating feeling to try and bring on the vibrations throughout my entire body.

Other times, I don't THINK about them.....I just relax (using any technique available, like the Triangle Technique located under the Permanent Astral Topics forum), and then I try to lock on to an astral image that I see.  This also can bring on the vibes.

But again, for me, they are a numb vibrating feeling....completely harmless and rather relaxing.  Others, who may hold fear in their heart, may experience violent shaking and become terrified.  That is because their fear is making them resist what comes natural to your body every time you go to sleep, and instead of going with the flow, they freak out and stand against the current.

Best of luck!

quote:Originally posted by Opiate

Hmm. I skimmed through the last couple paragraphs. Interesting stuff. Here is my suggestion. See your doctor, get these "abilties" checked out and make sure they are safe.

I respectfully disagree with you here, Opiate.  From what I read, Draege's account seems to be completely harmless.  I have experienced these same types of energetic surges before.  Going to a doctor, in this case, would be pointless, in my opinion.

However, if he were to say that he gets these painful stabbing feelings in his head or something, then I may agree with your suggestion.  But we're simply talking about the ability to control energy fluctuations in your body.

quote:Originally posted by crazy_colombiang


i was talking to my couzing about O.B.E and she said its dangerous because your aura gets weak and another stronger soul or spirit can get in your body. i was lke no thats not true not even bruce talks about that. she said let me give you an example if your are going to sell something you are not going to tell the bad things about it just the good things.she said my mom(my aunt) had obe and she talked to a priest about it and he told her that a stronger spirit could get in your body.
is that true??

By your own definition, the priest is going to be telling people things which sell his own version of the truth.  Of course the priest won't encourage any types of OBE travel!  It's contrary to what he believes....the same way Robert Bruce won't tell you that travelling is bad, because it's contrary to what he believes.

However, I along with many others here, have nothing to sell, and most of us are unanimous in saying that there's no danger in having an OBE for yourself.  

Granted, certain unstable people should probably work out things within themselves before they start venturing into the "unknown," but for the most part, Robert Bruce isn't doing most of the talking here.  It's regular people like us with nothing to gain, who just want to help ourselves and others.

Hi Willow, and welcome to the forums!  I look forward to hearing more from you.  =)

You asked if it's possible to visit someone who is far away via an OBE.  The answer is YES!

However, it may not be as easy as it seems.  At least, it isn't for me.  First of all, through my experiences, you can't just visit "anybody."  In other words, no matter how much I have a crush on Jennifer Aniston, the chances are highly unlikely that I could OBE to her.  Why?  Because there is no emotional connection between us....nothing for me to focus on and latch onto in order to find her "ident" in the astral.

Now, with that aside, assuming that you want to travel to someone that you DO have an emotional connection with, it requires a good deal of concentration.  Trying to fly to person A while accidentally entertaining a thought about something else could very well find you in an entirely different place altogether.

This isn't just with visiting people.  Trying to visit a specific place (like the Astral Pulse Island) can have the same effect if you aren't focused correctly.

While I have never been able to specifically target someone while having an OBE, I did have this girl friend of mine visit me.  While she never met me in person, nor been in my city, she was able to describe my bedroom in detail.

But it sounds like you are making great progress.  For God sakes though, be sure you turn off your phone ringer!  []

Welcome to the board.  I also come from a born again Christian background.  I look forward to reading more of your posts.  =)

Hey Birm.....good to hear that you're still around.  Come back soon, we all miss you, man.

quote:Originally posted by Kerrblur

Someone with some knowledge of this Island, please make a response if they could:

    I'll keep this short, I've been visiting Astral Pulse Island alot and I never ever see people there, now, that maybe be possible, noone was ever there but what if there was.  Is there a certain way of concentrating or focus to be able to see people?  or is there just noone there?

Relatively speaking, the whole API concept is still new.  As an astral construct, it's only been around for a few months, and only those who frequent this website know about it.

Then you take into consideration that most on this website can't OBE at will, and when they do happen to get out, they may not end up on the island when they try to fly there.

Those that DID happen to make it there, even back when the island was created, rarely reported seeing any people.  Instead, they would explore the island and leave little marks and signs of their visit to be verified later by others.

I hope to make it there soon.  One of my last trips to the astral took me to a place with pyramids, but it wasn't the island.

Hope to see you there sometime.

Here is another good article with a movie to watch too:  

quote:http://www.soultravel.nu/2003/030727-aaron/index.asp

That was a very interesting link.  Thank you for posting it.