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actually i think the man said that he tried to find codes in war and peace but coundt find any. The ones he used on the bible were the same formula all the way through.

"man makes his own history, but he does not make it out of whole cloth; he does not make it out of conditions chosen by himself but out of such as he finds close at hand. -Karl Marx

I think you should be careful about things like this. I didnt read all of it so spank me down if I am being out of line but, from what I gather it is telling you your special and that your wanted. A lot of groups, cults etc use this method (not that I'm saying this indigo children thing is culty) they will find people who are different, withdrawn and try and give them something to have in common with them in order to draw them in.

anyway thats all I'm saying be careful.

"man makes his own history, but he does not make it out of whole cloth; he does not make it out of conditions chosen by himself but out of such as he finds close at hand. -Karl Marx

I believe I have read something about it, but I dont profess to be an expert on the subject. Also called sonambobluism (spelling?) , you also get astral sonambobluism, which is when you are projecting but dont know about it, you are just carrying out a random task like getting out of bed and getting dressed but only in the astral.

"man makes his own history, but he does not make it out of whole cloth; he does not make it out of conditions chosen by himself but out of such as he finds close at hand. -Karl Marx

i aggree with you..to an extent. However, in this world people help others to disciver things all the time so how should this be different. for example schools of mysticism or meditation. are you saying that people shouldnt be taught or shown how to meditate because they should discover it for themselves? I like to think that helping others is one of the better aspects of humanity.




"man makes his own history, but he does not make it out of whole cloth; he does not make it out of conditions chosen by himself but out of such as he finds close at hand. -Karl Marx

surely thats the whole idea of magick anyway. or any occult phenomena, to learn to control your vibrations via ceremony, candles or whatever. Then when you can control your own state of vibration you can use this to control other vibrations.

"man makes his own history, but he does not make it out of whole cloth; he does not make it out of conditions chosen by himself but out of such as he finds close at hand. -Karl Marx

sounds like its going well. What we need to do though is keep going until someone sees someone else! how good would that be

Excellent! more people on board. I think we can make a real go of this. Lets all try projecting to stonehenge!

ok how bout we stick with stonhenge for now as I assume most know what that looks like? any other suggestions would be good though

ok then, suggestions anyone about where we can all meet? a well know landmark would be best, maybe statue of liberty, houses of parliament, sydney opera house, pyramids?

okay I get the impression that this has been suggested before but I think its so important! imagine if you meet someone from the pulse forum while projecting! how cool would that be?

oh yeah, sorry I should let others comment now! but last thing I promise!
I would request that if its possible could some of the more experienced members get on board here and lets make a real go of it, also I dont know if you still read this mr Bruce but what do you think?

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oh yeah, those of us who cant have obes or the likes can try to indue lucid dreams! eg try to imagine before you got to sleep that you are traveling to england/stonehenge then if you dream about it tell us on the forum, what it looked like etc.

It was also some Greek philospher who said question everything, could have been plaito. I think they are quite wise words and I use them on a regualr basis. In fact thats why i study the occult, because i didnt want to accept the view of most other people on the subject and criticise it without trying myself.


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I think i have learnt another important lesson since waking up this morning, If i ws in a hypnogogic state I think I would have exited. this is the biggest barrier to my projection now. I still cant believe it! the feeling was great and I wasnt scared about the exit sensations, i kept trying !!

quitters

Sylvan Muldoon and Hereward Carringtons book I think called The projection of the astral body. this is a fantastic book.

A good way to use the Chakras is a method of creative visulaisation, i.e. imagine these energy centres as bright lights (even in different colours if you wish) and imagine energy traveling between them. You could also try to feel vibrations in them. I found that if you sit down and shake your legs for 3 minutes then stop you have a huge vibrating state that flows right through you. You can then imagine this flowing through the Chakras. (this last method is mine alone, and I dont know if its a recomended method but if you have probs imagining vibrations then this is a good a method as any.)

                          Lysear

Yes, I was relaxing and I started to sink and get into trance then I Let one slip and it woke me up and ruined the projection attempt.


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I aggree completly about not being able to do an objective reading on yourself. The first problem as I see it is that your own desires could affect the cards and thus nullify the reading. The second problem is that whatever reading you come out with, if its negative when you expect positive and vice versa then you are not going to accept it.


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Sounds quite interesting

for those who dont have the benefit of being european, David Beckham is the captain of Manchester united and the England footy team, married to posh spice. (Just thought I'd add that)

i personally had my only few projections via lucid dreaming. I became concious in my dreams and shouted "i want to have an astral projection" or another method is to start flying upward and this simulates moving out of body and your astral body should hopefully do the same.

                           lysear

ah a fan of hitchhikers guide!is it popular in the u.s too?

It sounds like you are very adept at channeling energy, I think you should do what fredhead suggested (no offence intended) and go onto tv, if you can do all the things you say you can you can change humanities opinion of spirituality and "the occult"

                           Lysear

The silver cord is supposed to be what connects your etheral body to the physical. There is often a debate among projectors as to whether it exists pr not, but the point is it represents your link to the physical world and when thats severed then your life on the physical plane is over.

     Hope that helps              Lysear