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A stupid way?!??

Haha, in what way is it stupid?

Actually I would like to point out that if you have never fasted, you can't say _SHIT_ about the whole process, except maybe from a physical point of view. Even from a physical point of view it is healthy as it gives your body a chance of cleaning out the toxins in it.

It also kind of pushes you more into the metaphysical realm.

Actually after a couple of days you no longer feel hungry at all.

Can't really say that it adds an element of distraction either.

I was thinking of fasting for about 2 weeks the following way:

- I only drink&eat before sun goes up (before 7:00)
- I eat&drink when sun has gone down (17:00-18:00)
- I will only eat that from plant kingdom(fruits, vegetables)
- Meditate daily on my cleansing purpose

I'm also working about 6 hours / day with somewhat physical job.
But it shouldn't be a problem []

The point in my post was to POINT OUT that scientists too often use
too hasty theories to explain things.

For example the usual cliché that "The higher dimensions are curled up so into very very small space", which should be explaining why we can't perceive the other dimensions.

You probably saw the color negative of your hand which is blue.

Color negatives are created when your eye is staring at a place for
long enough, then it somehow 'balances' the surrounding enviroment with the exact negative color for the object and kind of makes it look
like its aura.

The true aura is more subtle and certainly more colorful and changing.
Like smoke raising upwards or something []

Anyway keep training and you will eventually get there

quote:Originally posted by Grigori

Uh you do realize that "string theory" is just way of trying to explain particles in a way that unifies relativity and quantum mechanics? The "dimensions" you are refering to are just mathematical constructs that happen to correlate well with what we do know. It's just like a "matrix" in computer programming... it can have as many "dimensions" as you want though after 3 most people have problems visualizing it ... but there is  no problems in processing it.

Buaha think I missed the whole point then []

I still have the itchy feeling that the unification will not be done by string theory. But we shall see

Cracked programs are good to be used for demo purpose, if you use it more BUY IT!

Anyway to the point []
Most of the presets out on their website are just _PURE_ bovine excrement.
Mixed up frequencies that pans from left to right and vice versa,
the creators obviously has not go any idea on what to do and what
they are.

This is why I would advice you to make your own preset. It is very
easy. You just choose your frequency and make one tone start from waking state of consciousness and then drop it down to the preferred
brainwave frequency and make it stay that way and if you want you
can make it climb again to get you back to the WSC.

There are a lot of research done on this area. And if you don't
find any frequency just put it to 4HZ and I guarantee you will get
'weird' results [8D]

quote:Originally posted by neowert

I was reading about astral travel in Introduction To Hermetics by Franz Bardon.  He said when you travel astrally, your astral body leaves, connected by a thin silver cord.  He also said that it is dangerous.  If you are touched by another human, the energy from it will break the cord, killing you.  I trust Franz Bardon as a source, so I do not doubt that fact.  But in what circumstances is that true?  Is astral projection an OBE in such a manner?  What manners of OBEs are potentially lethal?

omg what pure excrement.
It is because of guys like that people are afraid of Astral Projecting. It is true though that if someone 'awakes' you from your
OBE true physical touch you can get very startled and it is most often
described as something very uncomfortable. But it surely does not kill you.

argh... [!]

When I read this I somehow thought that I am a bit like this too.
It is easier to 'draw' the 'astral' to you than to 'go' there yourself. Hard to explain but feels like you are a magnet that just draws it to you, like a gravitational field []

"Do not move the mountain, let the mountain come to you"
heh..

Actually the rhythm and sound of your own heartbeat is very entrancing. Don't know why but this method works best for me too, haven't yet been able to get an OBE but have gotten farthest with this
technique...

I feel the same thing. Have felt it for now approximately 6 months, I'm getting pretty sure that it is my energy body that I am feeling...

Might also be energy that is released from it or somethign..

I would also say that that feeling has an anchor point in that
it is a possibility to get both to grow inside the relationship.

The better match, the better possibility to learn from yourself and grow?

Ehh... dunno really... many thoughts coming up that contradicts it but
who knows

Even if I could project I would still try out n,n-dmt []

Anyway you should very much be prepared to either get a blissful experience OR a very frightening traumatifying one. But if you
are ready for both I suppose you have a green light.

But but. I'm still not sure OBE and taking n,n-dmt is anywhere the
same. Maybe you can try asking during your trip to learn OBEing
better...

Hey Jason!

How far do the blue lines appear? Because I can see some light blue waves moving if I stare long enough on some place. Usually I see them sprout up from trees into the air... Was wondering if that was the same....

I disagree Turkey, I think it is good that someone provokes people, since we all tend to fall into familiar patterns and keep repeating them into an eternal Limbo... That is why we occasionally need someone to provoke us to do something different...

If someone finds this disturbing then you are letting your own ego interfere with you... So basically it is your own fault [xx(]

Children especially tend in a specific age to start arguing against everything you say, so if you act in the same way to them as to this thread, you will probably just get lost in an arguing with them that you will loose, because they are just arguing because of arguing itself

This reminded me of the time I saw my friends 3RD eye when sitting in front of him, both meditating... With my left eye it was dark reddish and with my left eye it was golden... Whatever that means I do not know

Hmm... I'm pretty sure that it would be possible to have an OBE while you are fully conscious and awake and doing things. Even though Robert Bruce denies it in his book. But still the fact that you get 2 SEPARATE memories if you are OBE and are still 'awake' in your physical body. So in theory it should be possible to maybe relax -> project -> go explore someplace and at the sametime continue to do stuff with your physical body

I think it it pointless and naive to speculate how many dimensions there are. Why try to go higher than the 4th when we can not even understand that one yet?

and no... the 4th dimension axis is _NOT_ time, that is just an errorous conception about it in my opinion, but it could be that time is a consequence of
the 4TH dimension and/or changes in it. It may also be that time
functions very differently in the 4TH dimension. If we start to think
about what time is. Then we can make a parallel that time = movement.
For every time unit we go 'forward' everything in the universe moves or rotates forward in its gravitational paths. So can someone
tell me how in the hell movement is 90 degrees to the X,Y and Z axis when it is only a definition of movement within this 3D world and nothing else.

Einstein was right but he was also wrong

Hey hypnotist! Nice to see that you are also writing here []

Haven't yet been able to use the script you sent me in the email because when I tried to record it via a very bad microphone, so my
voice sounded very bad on more stressing than relaxing [xx(]

In shamanism we talk about soul families where we come from.

But yes you are thinking too physical, it is more about creating something yourself than accidently via nature doing it...

#"¤#¤#"¤!%!% Computer devil, lost a 50 lines long post [!]

So let me begin from scratch....

What is astonishing is that the substance Psilocybin is chemically very similar to N,N-DMT and 5-HT (Serotonin) and might even work
as a neurotransmitter in our brains.

Then some background on drugs:

There has been a govermental war against drugs now for sometime. Which literally means goverments and other political forces pushing bovine excrement propaganda about some substance. Even one politician who got elected president because of his crusade against a substance about which he probably didn't know any facts of. During this crusade against drugs
they banned ALL research on those substances, making it impossible to gather any information about them at all otherwise than breaking the law and being at risk getting fined/thrown to prison.

A bit later this changed and it was allowed to do research on some chemicals constricted to publish ONLY of the negative sides of a substance.

Then in the public after many many years of propaganda in news papers about the dangerousness of drugs in general most people has gotten astray from the real facts about the substances. My estimation here in Finland about people is that 80-90% does not know a jackshit about drugs or what they do other than has been written and spooked in news articles. What is even more sad is that this group of people doesn't even bother to dig out the real facts, but blindly believe that this is how it is and repeat the litany "drugs are bad mmm'kay!". What is even more ridiculous is that they regard caffeine, alcohol, nicotine and medicines as less dangerous than the so scareful 'drugs' they have read about. When they should on a fact level be in the same category and even when under same category every substance should be researched and held under it's OWN positive&negative sides and health risks.

Then there is the other ridiculous very small group that promote only the positive sides of the drugs and neglates any negative things they hear/read/experience about it.

My personal experience and opinion about entheogens(you may also call them psychedelics) is that they give you a straight look into your own mind and realm of the subconsciousness. They might also be a tool in changing your subconsciousness to either worse or the better. (Comparable to deep hypnosis suggestions that stays a long time in both negative and positive ). They can also give you a major spiritual shake or wakeup. The bad thing about the experiences is that they can be very overwhelming and traumatizing and you might not be able to escape from it for the next 8 hours before the substance leaves the bloodflow. (How would you feel
if you didn't have a spiritual background and took something only because you thought you would get euphoria from it and later notice that you get thrown into a spiritual realm with demons, ghosts and weird entities playing tricks on you which feels more real than when being sober and awake?)

I think that entheogens project your subconsciousness into your waking state, so it can be a bit compared to seeing dreams while wide awake.
In my own opinion all drug experiences are solid real, even if they were illusions. Saying that they are unreal is like saying that your own emotion is wrong and not real.

Many think about entheogens as the key to unlocking the secrets of the human mind...

Ugh this was not nearly all of what I wrote before the crash but maybe it is of some use anyways

Thank you, got to try it next time []

Sounds like a great idea!! It could work in the long run
if effort is put into creating it

Don't forget to create some cow eating demons there, or then just ask some to come there to increase the tension []

Another thing could be to put on the website the exact time everyday/week when to be there, might not work everytime but
sometime it should work perfectly well

Actually it would probably be easier to project if I would pass out from oxygen shortage... Then I could concentrate completely on projection []

Well I have tried to focus on something else, and sometimes even happens that I get the an increasing feeling of oxygen shortage and then I notice that I'm not breathing at all []

It will probably dissipate along with training though...

Sounds like an interesting thing to try the next time

One thing that I started to ponder about was that do you concentrate on your spiritual self or your physical self when moving along the life line.

Or do you just move along the line?