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Dear TheSight,

thru hypnotize oneself (such as staring with open or closed eyes) or other techniques, one can make sure to reach the trance state necessary for shutting down the physical mind and shifting focus into the etheric body sufficiently to ensure an exit.
It is my belief that exit sensations (such as vibrations or thumping chakras) are really fluctuations caused by yet too much physical body attachment while at the same time trying to leave the body thru extrusion of the etheric double. It is generally recommended by experts to disregard and ignore the exit sensations and not wait for them or take them as signs of progress. One may have them or not, but he who does not experience them has the advantage.


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Dear folks,

this book is said to be an occult classic in Astral literature and as such, I assume packed full with dense information not to be found in the usual new age books on the subject. I tried my best finding an electronic version of it on the internet, yet there appears to be none. There is an ebay seller in a country adjacent to mine, giving away used versions of this book for little money.

If I were to buy this book, I would be able to make a complete scan of it and put it online as an ebook, provided there is a general interest.


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He who reads between the lines can see that yahweh/yaldabaoth/jehovah and Satan are one and the same, being the one wicked Usurper in creation , responsible for the creation of the universe, playing out his two personalities of Deity and Devil.
In the bible it can be often observed how the Usurper, in his "God personality" loses temper and demands to be feared, obeyed and worship.  In his insane wickedness, the being entitles itself to be punisher/rewarder, destroyer and creator, under command are his agents and minions such as the Lords Of Karma executing his defect judgements.

It takes a lot of ignorance and indoctrination to assume this being to be God and It certainly shall not be my God for i despise such a vicious hypocrit.


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Dear snickerhammond,

many studens of astral projection find that for an extrusion of the etheric double to occur, it requires a certain state of trance, however not as deep as usually practiced by meditators. More important than the state of brainwaves is the transformation of consciousness (that is the focus) away from the physical body into the etheric body. The brainwaves of the physical body seem to adjust automatically. The Etheric body can be easily recognized for it's tingling and pulsing sensations. This however will not be the vehicle used for it is tightly constrained to it's physical counterpart.
Once focus has been well established inside the etheric body, it may readily extrude a copy of itself, free from the constraints of the physical body, for which there are various techniques.
It is my believe that insufficient amount of physical detachment combined with a high amount of focus in the etheric double causes various harsh distortions known as exit sensations, as consciousness would be pulled in both directions at the same time.
When I get to the point of exit myself, the biggest sign for recognition of the exit is that my mental screen will become primary vision while ocular vision will be almost completly anulled, unlike the in-body split vision the incarnated is used to, wherein the ocular input makes the primary vision, and the mental screen remains secondary and appears somehow semi-real.

From the state of the etheric double, one may project self onto the astral dimensions, however one is usually drawn there automatically after a while.



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I don't think they have the ability to 'create' guardian angels but there are a lot of them out there in the higher density levels that would be happy to come down here and help out. The guardians can 'attach' themselves to other beings just like any other entity can. I have seen these archangels / guardians close up and they will take your breath away...

Creating a being such as this is out of the question. These are the guardians of the universe that have been around for millions of years and are there to protect those that follow the path of truth and light. I believe that they reside at the center of galaxies where the 6th / 7th density levels are but they will often venture out to the lower astral / 4th density to 'handle business'.  

Dear kurtykurt42,

with due respect, this kind of reply is one such I wasn't looking for when I made this thread, please refer to the first line of my post:

"I am looking for answers from those of you who are experienced in this field of astral/etheric creativity."


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Dear Greytraveller,

I didn't intend or expect to OBE that morning, so the opportunity presented itself when my physical body happened to be in a highly potent state for projection and all I had in mind then was to get the most out of the least  .


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Dear folks,

I am looking for answers from those of you who are experienced in this field of astral/etheric creativity.
I got very intruged last evening, reading "Psychic Self Defense" by Dion Fortune, when I came to the section where she talked about the traditionally called "elementals" which in modern language could easily be termed artificial consciousness.
She writes that dying mothers sometimes subconsciously create guardian angels for their children they have to leave behind.
My question is: Is it possible to create them only while in the etheric state or is it feasible to create them during full waking (physical) consciousness aswell?
Do they truely represent a considerable form of protection when compared to a shielding bubble?
Do people who believe they have guardian angels always create them for themselves and so can always be observed by foreign projectors on the etheric level as solid beings, standing by the their creators?
Mrs. Fortune mentions that such an elemental is attached to it's creator through his silver chord but can be severed and take on a life of it's own - but at which point does this happen and can they last indefinitely once they are loose from their creators, the initial source of their energy?
And last - what percentage of angels and demons do you believe are A.I. in nature?


Thank you

Dear Valkry,

I would strongly suggest not to seek external advice on such personal matters especially on public internet forums. This stuff, if I were you, would really keep for myself for only your self knows how to solve this.
Why make people theorize and have you choose one of their belief systems when your higher self knows best what to do.

Well since you're asking for it, here's my word:

To me Iit sounds like someone has a strong hold on your spiritual adress, and uses this to teleport to you wherever you may be, any time he wishes, and having his friends hitch hike with him. Oh and by the way, don't be fooled by people who say that dark (evil) entities can not exist in the higher vibratory ranges. The only difference is that over there, they would be like white suite gangsters instead of like grim reapers. While it is true that on the higher planes the spiritual bodies are so refined that psychic attack is no longer a viable method for beings of Darkness, they still go there, hence the primary weapon on the higher planes is really deception and exploitation thru temptation. So don't feel too safe if you happen to escape oblivion by projecting upwards. People have no idea how easily love and compassion can be faked by the most evil beings especially so when they utilize astral tools.

Anyways, many people have entity problems as result of past life conflicts, where someone earth bound might just hang around his/her target in the future, whether it's walking, dreaming or projecting, just to seek revenge upon him/her. All that is needed is the target's spiritual adress and if you could somehow scramble your adress or link your adress to a bait location, you might just get rid of them.
I wonder why the heck noone else has mentioned this yet.


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I'm still waiting for that "cloned meat" to come out on the shelves. Finally, the brutality will end (along with my anemia, yahoo!   ).  

Dear Valkry,

have you ever tried those (remotely translated) soy proteine products? They come dried and then you boil them up until they take on the texture as of well sized pieces of ground meat. I and some culinary companies use them to make vegetarian bolognese and one can not tell the difference to actual ground meat except of course nothing was killed.



My grocery store also sells several varities of soy based, readied meat-imitiations such as: soy based gyros, soy based stake and soy based sausages, all flavored and textured like their respective role models.


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Zareste is right on the money.

but if we accept that bilderberg is real, what could we do? No fight seems possible

Dear Kazbadan,

it appears that about 90% of the world's population have made their choice to allow this to happen.
How many people in the last 100 of years have given the people of the world the chance to turn this around? Remember people like JFK, Orwell, Alex Jones, Ron Paul - missionaries from all walks of life have given the people of this world the chance to turn this around, yet today it is clear that the majority have chosen not to listen. And even what happened 70 years ago didn't touch the people of today one bit. Whether they are aware or not, they have chosen to give continual support to a system where they can exploit and be exploited. The majority has once again decided and rules what is taking place. Humans who had the potential to create equality on Earth out of a naturally tyrannical food chain, have chosen to live as higher animals, exploiting the ones below and being exploited by their higher ups.
The ones who dread this global transformation to full tyranny on this Earth are really the minority.
Therefore the only logical explanation I see is for this minority to bail out of this system they don't want to be part of.

The minority in defiance to this new world, I would put in two categories:

1) The ones who consciously choose death a'la "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees" over New-World-life

2) The ones who are making astronomical efforts towards self sufficiency in order to live a life completly apart from human society.

I believe many if not most of the yet defiant ones will turn to the compliant ones eventually and the minority in defiance will divide to even smaller circles.



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So you can appear to be in the astral longer than you are in this plane? So say I'm here on the earth-plane for half an hour, I can appear to be in the astral for longer than that? Sorry, I'm kind of confused. It would be incredibly amazing if I was in the astral for several months when really I was on this plane for only a day, you would come out as a completely transformed person!

astralization,

Yea it can be like that and I've heard stories of the other end, whereas 2 hours astral time would make 3 days physical time.


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Dear personalreality,

I think i can relate to what you're saying.

Sometimes, for some stupid reason my body just won't let go and wants to remain in full wake-consciousness no matter how much i try to calm it down. It is terribly frustrating to me because it gives me a strong sense of not being in control!

I've theorized today why this keeps happening from time to time. My conclusion so far is that the reason may be that when a thoughtform enters one's mind and anchors in the sub-consciousness (like a subtle fear or a reminder) it may cause continual unrest like internal conflicts but without the conscious mind being aware of it, hence not being able to resolve it.
The solution to that would be to do a cleansing. One may say and intend the following: "I let go and release all mental attachments". When such a cleansing is successful, briefly one will experience an inner void as the troubling energy has just been released and left a hole that is to be filled shortly after.

If this isn't the reason then there must be some solution to this. It just can't be that the mind is sometimes forcibly stuck in full waking consciousness and there's nothing you could do, but sometimes it sure feels like that.

I laid there yesterday evening, completly mentally crippled as being unable to calm my body-mind down, forcibly remaining in full waking consciousness and I never, ever want to experience that kind of helplesness again.



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missym,

this morning upon exit my ears made a rather pleasant "wrooooooom" and this was actually a physical sound that my eardrums produce when i tense them. So I think this was a last thread of attachment to my body snapping.

I believe many exit sensations are the result of one being tugged both ways into the body and out of the body at the same time to various extends, on one hand he is transfering himself outside his body, on the other he still has some attachment to his body that is holding him back.
I believe the vibrations may really be a result result of such fluctuations.


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Dear folks,

I believe many exit sensations are due to being still too attached to the body in some place and loose in another, so it'd be like pulling a rope from both sides, causing disturbances.

I woke up unattached this morning after some hours of sleep and so catapulted out of my forehead like butter, no vibrations or sensations except some ear rushing but that was it.


good luck



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Yeah, the "I'm you in the future" story is something a lot of astral tricksters use. I've also heard a few things about the Inspec and he does show signs of being a liar

and according to Robert Monroe, there was a whole clan of them.



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Dear astralization,

a linear time is still at work although the astral planes may sometimes simulate the illusion that there was none.
You can always see movies of past or possible future but there is an "actuality", a linear progession which is always there.


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After hours of fruitless effort and frustration trying to enter a trance state, I found myself returning from some kind of like a weird semi lucid dream-like thingie where I believe, a woman or an entity engaged me like a succubus would (she was ravenous). When I awoke I was completly burned out physically, a state I so long for to reach at will, so i decided i would try to detach, - and i did. Especially suprising to me was the observation that I wasn't very deep in trance yet I could easily leave my body. Recall of these two OBEs was seemless.
I visualized (realized?) an iron pot over my head and that shifted my focus away from the physical to the etheric/RTZ sufficiently as to project myself there (must've been my subconscious using this suggestions I had read the evening before in Peterson's book), climbed over my bed to the ground and tried to escape through the ceiling which didn't work at all so i went to the ground and passed out. I didn't sense any etheric arms as I felt more like a camera and whenever i hit solids i would smoothly come to a stop. My consciousness was quite dim so I had to make a conscious effort to realize that it wasn't a clairvoyant-like mental vision. And whenever I shot out of my forehead, my ears would internally tense, create this physical rushing sound of the eardrum. I guess those muscles were the last bodily attachment at that point, like a severed rope dangling only by one last strand. When I came back to my body I went out again and passed through one of my diagonal windows. At this point what Peterson called "The Phantasy Trap" started taking over - i realized more and more that i was starting to see worthless content from my dream mind so i aborted it.
It was muddy outside but in my etheric environment the sun was dimly shining through and there were artistically arranged clouds aswell. At some point I was trying to hurry up to the moon but halfway there I kind of blacked out. A lack of self confidence added to it.

That would be all


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The INSPEC which he spoke with most of the time and gave him all the great information turned out to be a future version of himself.

As far as I'm aware this is merely what he was told by another entity that claimed to be a version of himself.


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Fourthdimension,

it is often said that lucid dreams feel a lot more virtual and astral experiences a lot more actual and that by this, the experienced projector can distinguish between them.


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Dear Pyro21,

I suggest not to deal with the ignorant and let them talk themselves into oblivion until they manage to get their head of out of their buckets and move towards a more open attitude.
It's always more tempting to say the truth but in some cases it simply backfires  .


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[loosh]

Dear folks who've read Robert Monroe's Far Journeys,


I was wondering if I'm the only one who questioned Mr. Inspec?
I had the feeling he/they are more like Agent Smiths except in white suites & -collars and the attitude thereof.
Now, I thought Robert had it just right when he discovered loosh but then I was so disappointed when he simply changed his mind as he blindly accepted the wild spin (which didn't make any sense...) on the original loosh story, given to him by his INSPEC friend soon after.
Also, another indication that the INSPECs are not what they appear to be is the fact that according to Robert Monroe, their way of "teaching" is not based on making the pupil learn anything by experience and such but forcefully programming someone's mind by, as for example, those astral learning scenario simulations (or w/e the term for that is) where Robert Monroe would *CLICK in and be forced to repeat the scenario over and over until he would act there in a specific way as desired by the INSPECs.
It seems that the INSPECs also support the life-addiction whereas Robert Monroe did not. This is evident by the rote (about a possible future) given to Robert Monroe by the INSPECs, in which AA and BB are highly knowledgable about life, but totally and completly addicted to it. The INSPECs basically tossed it at him, under a ludicrous notion, as something positive.


These INSPECs certainly spook me out and there's nothing straight about them.
Would you really trust them?


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Dear folks,

it is said that when lying on one's back before the body falls asleep, it'll send the mind a strong signal to roll over to the side, just to check if the mind is still awake. If the signal is ignored, the body presumes that the mind is asleep and so begins itself to shut down aswell, so they say.

I believe I've felt this a couple of times, but the temptation is so strong I could barely resist it. With it came a strong urge of "I'd rather lie on my side and fall asleep now than to remain in this feeling" so whatever this is managed to kick me asleep each time.


Do you go through this process before you can detach from the body?


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But since we're on this topic I gotta ask, who they hell is talking to the greys like they're buddies.  Everything I've ever read or learned about the greys says that they are malevolent beings who feed on lower vibrational energy.  Granted I read a lot of conspiracy research, but still.  What I've learned is that they are subordinate to the Annunaki but still in league with them.  Perhaps if anyone is learning from them they ought to double check to make sure they're legit.

Right on the money


He who is seeking a personification of the devil will certainly find it with them!

Negative emotion attracts negative beings that'll block you from projecting.

negative emotion = you attract negative beings attempting to exploit you thru your suffering.
positive emotion = you attract negative beings attempting to exploit you thru temptation.

So do they have to leave their bodies to go to other planes?

Atleast to me it doesn't make any sense for atomic bodies to exist in a sub-atomic environment, they would have to be projections thereof.


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