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Actually this statement is false. Many of the world's geniuses have exhibited paranoia. This is a proven fact.

Oh, I just wanted you to know that "Guardian" Lionheart, as you put it, is a person like you who just happens to volunteer his time to help people access and understand the NPR.  The duties of Moderator are to keep the peace and also to intervene in a subject when they feel it is time to, when they see problems on the horizon.

I have read this entire thread and been watching what is be posted daily and I see that there is a "stalemate" here. I see that if the subject was to proceed the way it currently was, that it was going to go down hill fast. I have already seen anger being shown and that's a sign to step in and calm it down.

You have mis interpreted the data of this thread.  There is neither argument nor stalemate.  There is ongoing discussion which has a potential to evolve if permitted.

There is no real psychologist who could agree with your assertions that I am being paranoid – that I am displaying typical symptoms...I have already answered that.  The paranoid is delusional beyond the ability to rational reasoning.
On the other hand I also 'called it like I sees it' but upon further contemplation can also see the possibility that you do not necessarily actually realise that you act in a role of 'loosh gatherer' your moderator status is about 'keeping the peace' yet clearly the peace was disrupted due to your 'take on what was occurring' – I ask now that you 'stand down' and allow for the possibility that your 'predictions' regarding this thread be proved unfounded.

If you are not willing to do so...then lock/delete the thread.  There is no point in me continuing when moderator(s) so use their power in the manner you have chosen to use yours.

Your call.

Look at the title of this forum! We all come here to teach and learn nonphysical exploration. While we do spend a great deal of time talking about what it is.. and why it is... our primary goal is to experience and explore it. Therefore it is a disadvantage for you and us.. maybe not all of us... but one's left... that you don't want to swim in the ocean you have read and collected 'data' about. I don't know what other answer you expected from me or whether you have an answer lined up knowing what my response would be. We'll see.

I read your reply this far Beady.  I have other things to do right now, but I will say that you are not being fair-minded and nor are you listening to what I have said already.
I will eventually be swimming in that ocean and have said so.  There is no question that I am not wanting to.  I have never said that.  What I have said is that I don't want to be hoodwinked.  Tricked.  Played for the fool.  Regurgitated.  Memory blanked. Used and abused.  Forced or otherwise sneakily compelled/seduced into doing something that I would not contemplate participating in if I had access to full data in which to make an informed...fully informed decision.  Be feed false data...and it simply can;t be denied that the Astral has those elements - what isn;t so clear as to how far and deep those elements of influence and directives go...

The power piece is that no thing which seeks to assume dominance through deception over me can do so because I know the formula.  Only that which sees the equality and wholeness in me, you, every one is that which is worthwhile supporting.  Everything else is faking it to the max, for whatever agenda - be sure that agenda has to do with collecting 'loosh' 

So - loosh 'we' are not.



Anyhow - this - like the MBTOE forum and so many more...is not the 'place' for such discussion - I understand...in gratitude...data is data.

I'm sorry Wi11iam, I have to admit. I baited you to here to have you show your paranoia to everyone here.

I have looked back at all your posts, as I do before posting on any members post here and I saw the same warning signs again and again.

You are very knowledgeable and intelligent, but you also have a severe case of paranoia.

This started as a great thread, but after awhile I saw it wouldn't end. No matter what anyone had explained to you, you were always going to question it.

I said that if you were successful at NPR, that you would find your answers there and I stick by it, because it's true.

It's not a knock on you, its just a true fact.

You will see that once you start accessing the NPR consciously aware regularly, that a lot of those questions just go away and are replaced with wonderful experiences.

Your entire mindset on a number of things changes, but they change for the better!  

Okay Guardian Lionheart - you are barking up the wrong tree.  I am not paranoid in the slightest...I am very focused.  The more I delve the more certain it is that something is amiss, and for you to fob it off as merely paranoia is simply not going to work.  It might work in that others may assume then that I am off my rocker and not to 'listen' to my 'ravings' but there is sanity in my insistence upon getting to the truth, and making absolutely sure that nothing untoward is going on, this world or that...and so far in either world, some things seem to be amiss, and when any voice comes along to quash through all methods from terror to subterfuge, distractions, derailing, censoring, - you know...all those things which attempt to prevent disclosure etc...well if I were just a loosh unit, I wouldn't even notice now would I - but I do.  That does not at all signify I am paranoid.

Paranoia is accompanied by a lot of obvious delusion - not sensible intelligent insightful reasoning which also has practical 'how to work around such possible manipulations'.

So no - you have not 'uncovered' a paranoid individual or nipped a potential problem in the bud. Any more than you have seriously looked into the possibility of the things I have mentioned in this and other threads.

I am not actually looking for 'answers'.  I am gathering data which shows me something many others don't even wish to contemplate, lest it interferes with their cozy rendition of 'what is' and the evidence is very compelling at that.  No - it is not answers I am looking for...but rather The Answer.

You will have noted my answer to 'going there and experiencing for myself'  here is the link of the post in this thread.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/in_the_beginning-t39778.0.html;msg325429#msg325429

You are not being dismissed.

Gagged, warned, nicely told to desist, come on - we both know where this is going...you have already made your reasons for interjecting known...I have responded.  If I am totally incorrect, paranoid and looking for conspiracy under every rock, then we will have a good laugh about it...but if I am correct, well then as I say, you will eventually desist with supporting the present program and we will have a laugh about it...either way this will end in laughter...eventually.

So someone says something you don't like and now you show your true colors?

I have shown my true colors from the go get.  You know this, and you see where it is heading and you don;t like it - you don't like that I know it and you are suggesting my true colors are somehow at fault.

I was only trying to get you to calm down a bit.

I was and still am calm.  You were only protecting your interests...be truthful...

 Everything in life is not built on conspiracies.

That is true.  But some things do need investigating...usually those things in need of investigating have guardians, secrets, etc  and are very defensive when investigated...anyway...enough said...the process is happening - it only takes one to get the ball rolling...and as I said, time will eventually show the ripple effect of something barely noticed to begin with...I see through the guardians this side and that.

No, a Moderator comes along when they feel this isn't going anywhere.

Exactly.  A highly 'advanced' collector of loosh who does not want to loose its 'right' to the loosh collected.  This is not going anywhere you need it to go to hold on to your collection and has the potential to do so...some data is dangerous in the regard.
You will see how it is actually too late - the data is already doing its job...eventually you will see this and relent...a greater thing is unfolding and when you see this, you will be happy to let your loosh go free - they are really not yours anyway.
When I say 'yours' I am - to be clear - referring to the order of highly advanced collectors working together...in a similar fashion to how the reality program on TV called 'Survival' unfolds...at first they are teams, then they eventual compete to be last one standing winner supreme bot soul ego script etc...

  The more people answer your questions. The more you question their answers.

Yes and the nature of my questions are designed to get them thinking for themselves...

Where does this end?

When we are no longer manipulated by 'protectors' and such...aka loosh addicts.

In that sense, it has already ended for me.

  I am trying to fix something before it's broken! 

Yes indeed you are, but that is an illusion.  Sure we are still some 'time' away from seeing this but it has already begun.

No, a Moderator comes along when they feel this isn't going anywhere.

The more people answer your questions. The more you question their answers.

Where does this end?

I am trying to fix something before it's broken!  

Okay well you're the boss here - As I said - I am okay with being dismissed.  I will see through you on the other side... count on that.

Yes I have and I stick to last my last statement. 

Remember though, you have a history here too, not just on the MBT forums.

This is another aspect of 'guides teachers protectors of interests etc...'  directors ...in the know...big bots, collectors of loosh...the very thing which wants the program to remain exactly as it is...

What he is trying to say as nice as possible is, that if you could access the NPR yourself, you wouldn't be asking all these questions, because you would have already been shown your truths or at least be on the right path to finding them.

But the fact that you can't shows me that you aren't supposed to know the answers to your questions.

It happens! I have asked many questions in the NPR and haven't been shown the answers yet. But I have faith that in some way, shape or form, I will be shown what I wish or need to see or learn there.

EDIT: Wow, you ask a lot of questions, lol. 

Ah okay - from experience, once a moderator comes along and make such remarks, rolls eyes etc...it is a sign that what is being shared is not welcome...soon time to move on...watch this space.

What he is trying to say as nice as possible is, that if you could access the NPR yourself, you wouldn't be asking all these questions, because you would have already been shown your truths or at least be on the right path to finding them.

But the fact that you can't shows me that you aren't supposed to know the answers to your questions.

It happens! I have asked many questions in the NPR and haven't been shown the answers yet. But I have faith that in some way, shape or form, I will be shown what I wish or need to see or learn there.

Have you been following this thread?

We actually experience reality as artificially intelligent avatars or "bots" within a game. Robert Monroe believed our purpose was "loosh":

Elaborate.  What are the 'we' – are they the 'bots' or something else?

Imagine there is a game called "World of Warcraft". Now imagine within this game there is something called "gold". You ignore it at first as a children's pursuit. But a few years pass and you see people trading real life money for this "gold". You don't understand it but being an astute businessman you plot the most efficient way of collecting this "gold".

Who is the 'you'  who are the people you 'see' trading in this world for this gold?

Obviously you could just play the game, get the best character and run around collecting gold.

Are you referring to reincarnation?  Choosing a character which will give you the best chances of getting this 'gold'?

But no self respecting gold farmer does this. What you need is a script to play the game for you aka a bot.

Okay so the 'you' does not personally go into the game but creates a 'bot' which are the 'you' 'we' 'us' within the game...not 'real' but 'programs'.

This way you can program in the basic behavior of the bot and tell it to "GET GOLD!".

The basic behaviour has to involve being motivated in the pursuit of 'gold'.

But being a genius this isn't good enough for you, you decide you'll make a program that monitors the script and constantly modifies the code, rewarding efficient code by saving it.

How is this code saved?  Since it is only code, how can it be rewarded...what would be the point?

The program is constantly shuffling code around. It's not too good at deleting old scripts, since it's paranoid it will screw something up, and something is always better than nothing.

Again what is this code that thinks for itself and has feelings?

This is my feeble attempt to make a parable of the following this, my unproven theory that thus spews forth like acid onto your faces:

I think you attempt is fine in the sense that it conveys data about how you subjectively think of yourself...and likely see others.
(Said one code to another)

What we would call a god like force or consciousness created "the soul".

Is the soul this code you speak of – the one that is harvesting gold as its primary activity?

The main purpose of the soul is to continually find better ways of generating loosh.

Is this 'loosh' the 'gold'?  What exactly is 'loosh'?

It's secondary purpose, which supports the first purpose, is to act as a repository for egos that have incarnated.

So the programme is self aware and has feelings etc...but is it able to use those aspects in order to re-write itself?
What is the ego which is put into the 'soul program'?

The main purpose is accomplished by continually reviewing previous egos and taking parts here and there and building a new ego out of it, which is then incarnated.

The main purpose is collecting 'loosh' so are these two things the same thing?  Is collecting loosh another way of saying 'continually reviewing previous egos and taking parts here and there and building a new ego out of it, which is then incarnated'...?

We, you, me, us ego's here in cyberspace are the "botting scripts". Now for scripts we're very advanced. We're self aware, we change our own scripting to some degree. We're given the freedom to do what we want. But of course if we're bad loosh generators most of our code might not be reused.

It seems 'we' are a lot of things all at once.  We are scripts, egos, loosh, (good and bad'...

Now overall your theory when in my head plays out like a self absorbed creature playing a deformed god roll or at best a child god in the making that is trapped in a loop of its own making.

When I equate it to the unfolding drama on this planet, I see an insane asylum with aspects of pure genius and astounding focus at its very apex – like a pearl.

What are we doing here, or even there (Astral) participating in something with our 'given freedom to do what we want' our abilities to change our own scripting – only to some degree...said another way, we have limited freedom and it cannot vary away from the main – programmed – priority to harvest loosh...

The gold, or loosh equates to 'souls' or 'egos' or 'scripts' which equates to 'whichever script can gather the most or all, wins and become the script supreme...but of course will still belong to...its programmer.

As scripts I suggest that we put our collective abilities together and find a way to over ride the programs and deny our programmer the 'right' to treat us as mere programs, egos, souls, loosh etc...

Of course, we will have to first have a talk with our self about out willingness to have got involved with this in the first instance...or said another way:

This leads me to think that it's more advanced than I originally thought... that the system might even have it's own over arching goal to balance things out.

We actually experience reality as artificially intelligent avatars or "bots" within a game. Robert Monroe believed our purpose was "loosh":

Elaborate.  What are the 'we' – are they the 'bots' or something else?

Imagine there is a game called "World of Warcraft". Now imagine within this game there is something called "gold". You ignore it at first as a children's pursuit. But a few years pass and you see people trading real life money for this "gold". You don't understand it but being an astute businessman you plot the most efficient way of collecting this "gold".

Who is the 'you'  who are the people you 'see' trading in this world for this gold?

Obviously you could just play the game, get the best character and run around collecting gold.

Are you referring to reincarnation?  Choosing a character which will give you the best chances of getting this 'gold'?

But no self respecting gold farmer does this. What you need is a script to play the game for you aka a bot.

Okay so the 'you' does not personally go into the game but creates a 'bot' which are the 'you' 'we' 'us' within the game...not 'real' but 'programs'.

This way you can program in the basic behavior of the bot and tell it to "GET GOLD!".

The basic behaviour has to involve being motivated in the pursuit of 'gold'.

But being a genius this isn't good enough for you, you decide you'll make a program that monitors the script and constantly modifies the code, rewarding efficient code by saving it.

How is this code saved?  Since it is only code, how can it be rewarded...what would be the point?

The program is constantly shuffling code around. It's not too good at deleting old scripts, since it's paranoid it will screw something up, and something is always better than nothing.

Again what is this code that thinks for itself and has feelings?

This is my feeble attempt to make a parable of the following this, my unproven theory that thus spews forth like acid onto your faces:

I think you attempt is fine in the sense that it conveys data about how you subjectively think of yourself...and likely see others.
(Said one code to another)

What we would call a god like force or consciousness created "the soul".

Is the soul this code you speak of – the one that is harvesting gold as its primary activity?

The main purpose of the soul is to continually find better ways of generating loosh.

Is this 'loosh' the 'gold'?  What exactly is 'loosh'?

It's secondary purpose, which supports the first purpose, is to act as a repository for egos that have incarnated.

So the programme is self aware and has feelings etc...but is it able to use those aspects in order to re-write itself?
What is the ego which is put into the 'soul program'?

The main purpose is accomplished by continually reviewing previous egos and taking parts here and there and building a new ego out of it, which is then incarnated.

The main purpose is collecting 'loosh' so are these two things the same thing?  Is collecting loosh another way of saying 'continually reviewing previous egos and taking parts here and there and building a new ego out of it, which is then incarnated'...?

We, you, me, us ego's here in cyberspace are the "botting scripts". Now for scripts we're very advanced. We're self aware, we change our own scripting to some degree. We're given the freedom to do what we want. But of course if we're bad loosh generators most of our code might not be reused.

It seems 'we' are a lot of things all at once.  We are scripts, egos, loosh, (good and bad'...

Now overall your theory when in my head plays out like a self absorbed creature playing a deformed god roll or at best a child god in the making that is trapped in a loop of its own making.

When I equate it to the unfolding drama on this planet, I see an insane asylum with aspects of pure genius and astounding focus at its very apex – like a pearl.

What are we doing here, or even there (Astral) participating in something with our 'given freedom to do what we want' our abilities to change our own scripting – only to some degree...said another way, we have limited freedom and it cannot vary away from the main – programmed – priority to harvest loosh...

The gold, or loosh equates to 'souls' or 'egos' or 'scripts' which equates to 'whichever script can gather the most or all, wins and become the script supreme...but of course will still belong to...its programmer.

As scripts I suggest that we put our collective abilities together and find a way to over ride the programs and deny our programmer the 'right' to treat us as mere programs, egos, souls, loosh etc...

Of course, we will have to first have a talk with our self about out willingness to have got involved with this in the first instance...or said another way:

This leads me to think that it's more advanced than I originally thought... that the system might even have it's own over arching goal to balance things out.

We actually experience reality as artificially intelligent avatars or "bots" within a game. Robert Monroe believed our purpose was "loosh":

Elaborate.  What are the 'we' – are they the 'bots' or something else?

Imagine there is a game called "World of Warcraft". Now imagine within this game there is something called "gold". You ignore it at first as a children's pursuit. But a few years pass and you see people trading real life money for this "gold". You don't understand it but being an astute businessman you plot the most efficient way of collecting this "gold".

Who is the 'you'  who are the people you 'see' trading in this world for this gold?

Obviously you could just play the game, get the best character and run around collecting gold.

Are you referring to reincarnation?  Choosing a character which will give you the best chances of getting this 'gold'?

But no self respecting gold farmer does this. What you need is a script to play the game for you aka a bot.

Okay so the 'you' does not personally go into the game but creates a 'bot' which are the 'you' 'we' 'us' within the game...not 'real' but 'programs'.

This way you can program in the basic behavior of the bot and tell it to "GET GOLD!".

The basic behaviour has to involve being motivated in the pursuit of 'gold'.

But being a genius this isn't good enough for you, you decide you'll make a program that monitors the script and constantly modifies the code, rewarding efficient code by saving it.

How is this code saved?  Since it is only code, how can it be rewarded...what would be the point?

The program is constantly shuffling code around. It's not too good at deleting old scripts, since it's paranoid it will screw something up, and something is always better than nothing.

Again what is this code that thinks for itself and has feelings?

This is my feeble attempt to make a parable of the following this, my unproven theory that thus spews forth like acid onto your faces:

I think you attempt is fine in the sense that it conveys data about how you subjectively think of yourself...and likely see others.
(Said one code to another)

What we would call a god like force or consciousness created "the soul".

Is the soul this code you speak of – the one that is harvesting gold as its primary activity?

The main purpose of the soul is to continually find better ways of generating loosh.

Is this 'loosh' the 'gold'?  What exactly is 'loosh'?

It's secondary purpose, which supports the first purpose, is to act as a repository for egos that have incarnated.

So the programme is self aware and has feelings etc...but is it able to use those aspects in order to re-write itself?
What is the ego which is put into the 'soul program'?

The main purpose is accomplished by continually reviewing previous egos and taking parts here and there and building a new ego out of it, which is then incarnated.

The main purpose is collecting 'loosh' so are these two things the same thing?  Is collecting loosh another way of saying 'continually reviewing previous egos and taking parts here and there and building a new ego out of it, which is then incarnated'...?

We, you, me, us ego's here in cyberspace are the "botting scripts". Now for scripts we're very advanced. We're self aware, we change our own scripting to some degree. We're given the freedom to do what we want. But of course if we're bad loosh generators most of our code might not be reused.

It seems 'we' are a lot of things all at once.  We are scripts, egos, loosh, (good and bad'...

Now overall your theory when in my head plays out like a self absorbed creature playing a deformed god roll or at best a child god in the making that is trapped in a loop of its own making.

When I equate it to the unfolding drama on this planet, I see an insane asylum with aspects of pure genius and astounding focus at its very apex – like a pearl.

What are we doing here, or even there (Astral) participating in something with our 'given freedom to do what we want' our abilities to change our own scripting – only to some degree...said another way, we have limited freedom and it cannot vary away from the main – programmed – priority to harvest loosh...

The gold, or loosh equates to 'souls' or 'egos' or 'scripts' which equates to 'whichever script can gather the most or all, wins and become the script supreme...but of course will still belong to...its programmer.

As scripts I suggest that we put our collective abilities together and find a way to over ride the programs and deny our programmer the 'right' to treat us as mere programs, egos, souls, loosh etc...

Of course, we will have to first have a talk with our self about out willingness to have got involved with this in the first instance...or said another way:

This leads me to think that it's more advanced than I originally thought... that the system might even have it's own over arching goal to balance things out.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/is_it_fate-t39810.0.html;msg325571#msg325571

I think others will agree, that without experiencing the NPMR you are at a slight disadvantage experientially;

A slight disadvantage to who or what?

It would actually be very interesting to see what you could achieve in the nonphysical.

Please elaborate on this thought.

that which you don't experience you can only wonder at - granted you have a massive grasp on specific areas that you have come to understand from reading.

I know what it is like to wonder about what ifs – in some ways this is quiet fine.  Apart from Frank and Tom the reports regarding experiences have not left me wondering in the way you are using the word. 

They have left me wondering as to the nature of the programs travellers are involved with, whether age and experience in this PMR are factors, and also ego...sometimes the stories reported leave me wondering about the actual point to the Astral Realm as well as the actual point of consistently popping off there.

Obviously if you are one such Traveller you would be able to answer this – at least from your own subjective experiences.

There seems to be a pattern of theorising and a type of debate that springs from those that don't actively experience NPMR on a regular basis... especially with intellectuals like yourself.

Please elaborate – share your data.

So while I can read and nod at your musings I feel like I can't fully connect.

This is interesting because if you have an advantage in experiencing both states and have adapted well enough to them...you should be even more able to connect with the data I am presenting.  Yet it seems I am more able to do this – I can connect simply because I want to.
Perhaps that is the reason you cannot connect with me, because you don't really want to?

I am trying to say this without sounding like a complete twonk by-the-way... and you must forgive me because I am almost wholly right brain thinking when I am functioning in PMR, whereas I am almost completely left brain processing when conducting myself in the NPMR.

[Lightheartedly] I don't want to hear your excuses for being twonky. 

In regards to the brain, just as in training the ego, also I train the brain to work both sides as one.  Granted, like the ego, it is not that easy to do but we are actually able to make bridges between the two hemispheres and I suspect those connections can be permanent.
How we ever learned to use one or the other but not in congregate is something of a mystery to me but – like the ego – experiences in the Astral will unfold depending of the nature of those factors, and more...all related to the human form, identity etc...

So – what (do you wonder) is that 'I' which is doing the training?

[Strange Computer Code Discovered Concealed In Superstring Equations!]

Hey Wi11iam I am honestly glad you are here. Getting people thinking is good thing, even if it's slightly painful to my head.

This thread made me realize I'm just going to focus on hacking reality. Because it's practical for my purposes and through experience comes understanding. And I just don't understand enough about NPR to really know. I think for me this is a good thing.

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLvXaclRlHs

Strange Computer Code Discovered Concealed In Superstring Equations!
"Doubly-even self-dual linear binary error-correcting block code," first invented by Claude Shannon in the 1940's, has been discovered embedded WITHIN the equations of superstring theory!
Why does nature have this? What errors does it need to correct? What is an 'error' for nature? More importantly what is the explanation for this freakish discovery? Your guess is as good as mine.

That's interesting.

Thanks for the link Hawk.  Thinking certainly does not have to be painful for the head...if it gets to that state then it is wise to shift focus onto a more meditative relaxing thing.

We are here to help each other although I accept that this my personal philosophy...so I am here to help and to be helped and all data/feedback is helpful, even the neggy stuff.  The trick is not to buy into it or take it personally while – when it seems worthwhile, pulling someone up when they try flaming the messenger ...and in a sense we are all messengers – the important thing is discovering if there is value in the message.

Your post which I commented on:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/in_the_beginning-t39778.0.html;msg325452#msg325452

I found interesting in that it represented a way of thinking which might be useful to that which might exist which might be manipulating 'us' without our knowledge.  I want to expand on this in more detail later but for now will just clarify that it has to do with how we identify ourselves both as individuals (subjective) and as human beings (objective) and finding out just where this identification might be sourced.
It is vital that we understand our identity in its truth...vital and not too easy because it involves identifying belief systems which are not regarded as belief systems but are regarded as basic facts.


Thanks for the link to that particular segment of 2011 Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate: The Theory of Everything...nice and yes very interesting...so interesting I watched the whole thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYeN66CSQhg

A wonderful group/panel of scientists working in their chosen fields – open to each others theories and discussion...Neil deGrasse Tyson is excellent as host and moderator – his ability to take a complex question/concept and simplify it quickly is genius.
Dr Jim Gates stood out as the odd one of the group but his assertions regarding the actually computer coding buried with the pictures/patterns of the graphs...is interesting.
More about that here:
http://www.slideshare.net/UnitB166ER/symbols-of-power-adinkras-and-the-nature-of-reality-by-s-james-gates

Ha no... you are obviously an intellectual.

"a. Having or showing intellect, especially to a high degree"

That surely isn't an insult.

I actually do use my humour wisely. It has cracked this nut I hope. 

I do look at the forum from time to time.. but there is so much rhetorical debating it gives me a headache. I did post a few things when I first read the book... but after reading the book several times I found that I had took what data I 'needed' and feel that I don't need to chat about it all the time. I sort of did what Tom essentially says at the end... moved on. I don't feel the need to be accepted into his fold.

Ha!  My Niece sometimes say's 'You're a genius Uncle!'  Hah!  What does a 5 year old know!

Sometimes it is used as an insult BION (believe it or not) usually by 'spiritual' people whom talk about the heart as if the mind is beyond hope of redemption.

Nevermind....

Your paragraph re MBTOE Forum is quiet ironic...

I'm referring to his cultists fans only. I can't wait to get the book as it seems to really flesh out a lot of how I feel, only words escape me when I try to flesh it out. I even found a site where I can read ten pages a day for free but that's torture for me. I can read a book fairly quickly and the ten a day pace is insane.

His fanatical fan base only makes me want to read the book more.

Does Ted run their forum?

Ted runs the forum – the book can be accessed freely online...all pages at once.
http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=RYHtBPiZVgsC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

I didn't perceive the emotion coming from you...not then.

While humor is a good thing, use it wisely yes?

Are you being humorous also now calling me 'intellectual'?  Okay so not 'me' but the way you perceive 'me' by my expressions...maybe best leave that out of the mix?

Reason?

Well just so's it does not distract...you know...the message...not the messenger...

It seemed to me that when Ted labelled it was part of the strategy of not wanting to hear the message.

Do you keep an eye out on that forum?

Tom says in his book that his theory is open to addition from outside...words to that effect...don't make me look it up...

Have comment to make re your other statements...have dinner to prepare...

["Everything which has a beginning is by that very fact - a simulation."]

the details of the theory are much more
What does that mean?

What you are explaining is perfectly simple to understand. You seriously aren't saying anything I and others haven't already thought or said in the past. Granted... you are a very good writer... but you are somehow thinking that we are at the mercy of your powerful idea.

The only thing I don't understand is the significance of the "Everything which has a beginning is by that very fact - a simulation." statement over the actual explanation of it.

You really are sounding like you came fresh off the MBT forum boat. Seriously. Where you told to leave or something?

What does " Perhaps it is time to for all involved to back away and contemplate for a while"  mean?  In light of the subsequent unfolding reality it became irrelevant...however at the time it appeared that a kind of emotional thing was going down and it was time for a breather.

So far Beady, I come across as a borg robotic philosophical power-tripping whatever...I have suggested subtly that you re examine your initial response to this thread to the statement "Everything which has a beginning is by that very fact - a simulation." sure – apart from that everything else I have said is nothing new to you and yours.  Join the dots you can.

Yes I am fresh from flying around the MBT forum – was never given permission to land, no matter the approach I took and yes Ted called me lots of things (even more things than you have presently called me) but refused me permission to land.
So I flew here.

No I was not told to leave so much as told to shape up or ship out.  I shipped out.

A question.

Do you believe that all Con's in existence were created at the same time and have evolve according to the number of times they have experienced the different sims or do you think new Con's are created. Because in theory, a new con would be closer to the source and could have clearer untainted knowledge when in the NPR. The trick is to recognize them and to believe them if we did.

I don't believe period...Tom Campbell says 'not to fall into the belief trap' for good reason – he isn't alone in giving such advice.
I know – you are likely using the word in another way...as in 'do you see it this way' and yes I do for some of your points.
Belief though, that is something hard to let go of...so in order that I 'see things the way I do' remains open to changes, tweaks, adjustments, cetera...belief is off the menu.

As to your observation on 'a new con' in theory, yes – you are correct, unless of course the new con was subject to outside influences...which it is. 
(As to ' recognizing them' and 'believing them' nah)
That is the difference.  The original Con which began from the void, had a beginning but no outside influences.

In one sense all cons were created at the same 'time' in the wholeness of the Primary Con...but the creative talents of this PC ensured the distraction of itself into getting on to the business of creating...not wondering about where it came from...indeed the 'after-birth' was apparent in the existence of the void...the void was the only thing not created by the PC – it was the reason why the PC existed, as far as the evidence was presented...but it either held no curiosity for the PC to the point of distraction...perhaps the PC tried and fail to penetrate its mystery but whatever, as we know the PC got into the Fractal process with gusto thenceforth.

[Everything which has a beginning is by that very fact - a simulation.]

I don't know why I can't leave it be but I really want to see your point as you see it. Not to change my own mind necessarily.

I'm gonna give a synopsis of what I think your saying and you correct me.

Bare in mind that I have no idea of T. Campbell's theory other than some vague generalizations so I may be way off the mark.

I will use God in the masculine when referring to that which has no beginning because it is shorter and I am lazy. Consciousness in all it's forms will be Con or Cons

While you were writing that IAB, I was writing this:

Taking Hawks 'imagine' post about 'gold' and how we are 'scripts' aka like a bot and highly advance that we have self awareness.

This has a lot to do with the data I mentioned which spoke about the aspect of Astral which is suspect.

One of the things which impressed me about Tom's model of everything was The Void and how consciousness evolved from this void.

As I have said in this thread, the void represents a beginning and what I said in my opening post about beginnings:

Everything which has a beginning is by that very fact - a simulation.

Now of course we are this consciousness which evolved from this void...that is seen in our ability to be self aware.
But 'we' also happened later...essentially going through a similar experience of having a beginning but with the addition of having others who have gone there before us, left their data through various means and we also have teachers, parents, educators who are there to explain to us 'who we are' and 'what our purpose is' – which is something we did not have through our first experience of a beginning.

Why all these PMRs?  Or to be most precise, why this particular one?

Could it be that in our original process of 'becoming' in seeing what power of creativity we had, in having no one to explain to us who or what we were (indeed 'we' would have been more a singular thing, as in 'I') we (as the One Consciousness) had to make things up as we went along...naturally.

Along with conscious evolution evolved intelligence, creative exploration...finding out 'how to' and doing that.  So far removed from the 'we' that we identify with in this PMR in this now...All Powerful.  Nothing and no one to say otherwise...essentially this may well be the very source of where the concept 'GOD' first arose...and what is 'God'?  Why 'God is we/me' obviously...but what is missing... 'why...others who can call me 'god' and agree with me that this is so...' But wait!  What 'others' – there are no others!

So creative cap on, create these others...but...well they need something of myself-ness in order to animate...not too much...experiment...adapt...perfect...dummy down...have to create this by degree...create 'others' with less than the full quota but able to create various sub-systems and inject themselves into those systems – each time loosing a part of themselves in that process but not enough (yet) to be totally lost...these ones can see through the illusion I am wishing to make...they know they are aspects of 'who I am' and thus – they are me – they would never 'see' me as being more equal than them to the degree I want.

Sure I must be 'God' because I AM and that I evolved from some 'void' makes me no less God!  I can create, destroy, fiddle the books etc...no one can prevent me, I am supreme and all that I create and imbue with my essence, is less than what I am in my wholeness.

Finally – through my creations I have perfected PMRs which can induce  complete amnesia...even imbuing my consciousness into these systems does not give the forms a conscious clue as to their true self...they are like I was – they had a beginning with no knowledge of any prior existence...no sense or awareness of their creator...their creator is a void, as was mine.

I could go on...but maybe you are getting the picture...? 

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-----------------synopsis------------------------------
In the history of all histories, God is the only non simulation since He has no beginning and is the source of everything.

To accept this means all other Cons are existing within simulations. All Cons no matter where their physical selves hail from, can converge in the NPR. Since we exist at all times in a simulation, regardless of our form, we should naturally and cautiously be on guard against God's intentions behind our creation.

While in the NPR, Con's place themselves at the mercy of other Con's who either intentionally or unintentionally deceive the others. Of course, there may actually be no deception but conflicting data suggests otherwise and suggest strongly that something is askew.

Knowing this, one can prepare himself by not exposing himself to the NPR more than which can't be helped (dreams and such). But we must give credit to the data contributed from those who at their own peril, continue to do so.

We can maximize the time that we spend in the NPR without our intent by forgetting the experience when we return to the PMR. This knowledge, however, can be stored and retrieved upon our physical deaths.

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Am I close?

You are close. 

Duuude!!! Are you human or Borg? 

Neither...I Am as you are, as we all are at the core...we are not on the same page as to 'what' that is...early days maybe...

I think that 'philosophical robot-like' thing has to do with my focus, intent - not wanting to go off on some tangent trying to remain as concise as possible...gives my expression that appearance... then again, what two posters herein are exactly alike or whos style of expression is uniformly liked?

(Chuckles)

Maybe I need to post what Hawk said, and what I saw in what he was saying - it might be helpful...

It's an amazing thread this. I'm not contributing as much as I like. I am so busy working away that I'm using 80% of my attention span and mental resources... ironically trying to simulate reality in the form of a matte painting and CGI  

I like your metaphor Steel Hawk.

I think we are all on the same page... the same goes for you Wi11iam. I just can't seem to muster the brain power to reply in a way that can benefit you or others.

Now you are expanding on not only on your theory but your personality is coming through a bit more I can concur with your initial statement. You became a little bit too much 'philosophical robot-like' and lost me at one point; one of the reasons I don't get into threads on the MBT forum... half the time it seems people have become so embroiled in focusing on writing like a professor that the message loses humanity.

This is pretty much my own sentiment towards the answers in this thread.

Perhaps it is time to for all involved to back away and contemplate for a while...

Yep keep judging my beliefs when you have the Youtube channel dedicated to Anu, Annunaki, Lizards, Reptilians, and Zeta Reticuli.

I don't know anything, I'm a fool, I admit as such. Everything I say is a lie to trick you. Hasn't that been made clear yet? Just a loony. You know... I see why Crowley was the way he was now. I think he was on to something.

Okay now I'm done, I swear.

You mis understand me...the post you made which I mentioned was not some kind of personal judgement against you Hawk.  I don't understand your reaction, even that you think I am judging you.  I accept the data nonetheless and add it to my collection...

Szaxx- Very good. I get trapped sometimes thinking that what we experience in the NPR is "all that's left" even though I don't believe it is.

This explains why some entities no matter their actual intellect may be. still do not have all the answers as many readily admit.

So even if they were intentionally trying to deceive us, they are just deceiving themselves. Not that that reflects my personal experiences

Wi11iam even acknowledged this point about them not knowing the whole picture. But I wonder where he gets the idea of them trying to "rule" over us. I just do not see that.

See the most recent post above by 'Steel Hawk' because that is the 'them' - I think that is why the original post statement starting the thread has such potential power when its implications in regard to everything else is understood.

I say stick around and drop another theory on us. I love it and according to the five pages your thread racked up in two days, I think other do as well.

Not necessary of course.  The data is here – serendipity does the rest.

I'm not sure what data you are referring to but there is a glaring fallacy. The NPR is sooooooo subjective that no one can simply rely on testimony as to what is actually happening.

The data is Tom Campbell's 'Big Toe Theory' and I tend to agree that this 'glaring fallacy' is exactly that.
I think it is because the untrained ego aspect which emerges from the life package experience is the primary mover and thus heavily influenced by that subjective interpretation.
Tom does acknowledge the subjective but maintains that this is only part of the overall picture...this is why he speaks in the metaphors he does.  However, even with this being so, he does maintain that there is something of a shared reality in NPMR which is not so easily distorted by subjective experience...it is of itself something which can happen to anyone, which is why he draws on the 'you will have to see for yourself' when saying that this is the only way you will get actual evidence...of course this is in regard to those who don't believe there is any other reality but this PMR – the physical universe we are experiencing.
What I get from all that type data is that like this PMR, we experience it subjectively but there is an objective reality.
So – you may have noted I use the phrase 'getting on the same page' – which is to say, if we were totally subjective and there simply was not objective reality, then such a thing as getting on the same page is a pointless exercise – an impossibility.
If we also exist in an objective reality, then yes – it is possible to get on the same page – to agree to the shared reality...which would involve dumping a lot of subjective beliefs and accompanying responses to experience.
I do not rely on anyone's subjective reports as truth – it is data.

There is a law at work in the NPR and that is that Like attracts Like. Negativity attracts negativity and of course the opposite is true.

This is the case in all duality induced experiences.  I suspect there is more – a higher law of sorts which is its own power..a law unto itself not subject to lesser laws...ego laws.
I suspect those laws you are speaking of may be induced in this PMR and transferred to the NPMR via the 'traveller' who then experiences what essentially are subjective happenings believed to be objective.

Still there may be wash...residual overlap from the subjective into the objective.
A bit like how a gunman on a killing spree has their subjective experience and objectively cause a
a ripple...

Since you are aware that you too visit "there" as we all do, your subconscious is most likely being influenced by your intentions and underlying suspicions.

I was pondering the role of subconscious this morning.  It is no less conscious but the role it plays might just as likely be that of the influencer rather than as you suggest - the influenced.
Being the influencer, in training ego, (which is not the real me, but is part of the experience I am having) the cut off has to do with this training – the intentions and underlying suspicions are necessary so that when the time comes, that aspect of this PMR consciousness has learned to listen to the intentions of something 'gasp' greater than itself in terms of subjectivity and objectivity...learning to be humble also means not being easily led down the garden path by influences which would rely on ego in order to succeed in influencing it.

The suspicion is more being careful.  The stories relayed may be false, may be enhanced, may be totally the result of ego being entertained...however, look close enough and there are evidences of similarity...objective in nature...the intuitive 'feeling' I (the aspect experiencing this life package) get is that IUOC in NPMR requires this of 'mego'
I can go along with that. 

I also see a lot of error in your belief that you are storing some unrealized knowledge that you will instantly be privy to once your physical dies.

If that were true, I think we would be flooded with a storm of overwhelming knowledge each time we intentionally went to the NPR. Of course, this is just my belief and I know others here on this forum don't fall in line with this. But all I have is my own personal subjective experiences to rely on.

This is what I am referring to.  However it is not 'all you have'  it is part of all you have to rely on...in one sense you have told me I can't rely on what others subjectively report ( I agree – but it is data and is useful in other ways) and then you say your own subjective experience is all you have to rely upon.  You can rely on it.
This is where I am cautious see?  I need to know what is possibly going on, and thus be prepared.  The opportunity to do this consciously in this PMR through observation of the subjective data collected offers an objective compilation which is useful.

What I'm getting at is why don't you want to experience this with awareness yourself? I think you will be amazed and may actually change some of this theory. And you may change it with a smile.

I didn't say and hopefully have clarified, that it is not that I don't want to experience...indeed I have experienced enough to know that it exists and is interrelated with this PMR – I think I may have even shared these on this board – so I fully expect that when I die, this is my next dominant reality...the NPMR...whether wanted or not, and in my case, simply accepted as the likely inevitable. 
The theory should not be changed simply because I might be amazed yes?  This could simply be ego mego getting capitulated...not paranoid just aware subjectively the human condition and objectively the skulduggery humans create together – how this PMR might influence aspects of the NPMR and how the unwitting, unwary could get caught up in it – even through being amazed by it...you know what I mean right?

After all..well not all the 'travellers' are even on the same page now are they?  I am looking for that...whatever my situation.

PI plays it part in cyclic operations.
The fibbonacci series plays a far greater part in everything.
Have a read,

http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-sites/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibnat.html

When you said 'PI' are you referring to  "π" ?

I feel as if there really is some good info in his posts but it's as if our ideas are quickly dismissed with no consideration.

Which is fine, but it leaves a bitter taste.

Wi11iam, it would be useful to know if you are speaking from a theoretical stance or more of an affirmative one. You seem really dismissive. It's like I'm back in college and some pompous kid keeps challenging the professor.

Only I'm not sure who is the pompous kid and who is the professor.

Hmmm....I always consider ideas – Please expand on the ones you have given which you feel I have been dismissive of...I will be more than happy to acknowledge I have done this but am unclear at this point as to when and where.

Your further comments re the professor and the pompous kid tend to suggest that my expressions make you FEEL that this is what is occurring (the dismissive-ness) but this is not necessarily what is really happening...certainly I considered we are all equals really and the info I have given – the opening statement – can be of great value to the individual both in this and in any reality simulation.

Bottom line is, we are the creator.  We have data to share – I gave the short version and the longer explanations as questions etc unfolded in the ripple.  It does not mean I am 'professor' and you are 'student' – if anything we are all both, depending on our willingness to share data and ability to receive data and test data etc...ideally compile the data of experience together – form the best picture possible...but if that is not possible here in this environment, that too is data which is helpful...I will move on – no point in being where I am not welcome...I can deal with dismissal...

[OMFG...YOU HAVE JUST BLOWN MY FRICKIN MIND!!!!!!!]

Why forget that this is a simulation?

Because I 'personally' have a different view of reality as you. I have lived more than half my life heavily influenced by my NPMR experiences. I have done my marvelling at this and theorised till I am blue in the face. I still receive new information... or 'data' if you want to use that term, but I keep this to myself.

I have come circle on this. I find this reality ultimately more rewarding than others. It's very very simple.

"and to be clear, that this is a simulation does not diminish its usefulness – purposefulness..."

I know... obviously... that is what I am saying.

Are you truly interested? or are you trying to tell me what my/our purpose is by stripping away whatever I/we reply?  

Put another way, I have found that when someone says they are 'just being' and have no purpose, the picture such statement paints is that they are insulated – like a monk in a monastery – and even a monk has a purpose – so the statement is used for another purpose and is not accurate...can not be accurate. 
So now I questioned you, you reply and your reply confirms that I am correct that you do have purpose after all.

Indeed I could probably search this board and look at a selection of your posts over the time you have contributed and discover there-in ... purpose.

So I ask myself...hmmm...you know...why was the initial response from you re the opening statement of this thread:

OMFG...YOU HAVE JUST BLOWN MY FRICKIN MIND!!!!!!!

and he leaves the room brain damaged. 

Sorry.. the way you said that was like you walked into a room... quietened everyone down... and dropped a massive profound bombshell... said 'cheers' then left. Each person suffering a stroke or haemorrhage as it slowly dawns on them. The potentiality of that revelation leaving them in a state of flux.

aaanyway

Yes... very true.

So expressive and then as the thread unfolds, as the data reveals that 'you have a different view of reality than I' the subsequent data has caused you to kind of withdraw into your shell (metaphor) and I think to myself... 'why?'  I could venture into taking a look at other posts you have made and discover therein perhaps, the answer to that Q.

But in actuality your unfolding response is not that different from the TOEists response, and they too 'have a different world view, or view of reality than I'.

This is data/information, and I would not be on the 'path' I am if it were not for information I happened upon which painted a picture which claimed that by and large, the Astral (NPMR) was a manipulation of a simulation for unsavoury agenda...now I don't believe or disbelieve such claim, any more than I believe or disbelieve more positive claims (such as Tom's big TOE) but have found a tool which is useful for finding out if anything untoward might be happening to which the NPMR is influencing the unwary.

Certainly I see no logical reason why we all cannot be on the same page, have the same view of reality and the only thing I see which seriously prevents this seems to come from the NPMR – although as has been suggested in this thread which I am inclined to think is pertinent – that the manipulations occurring in this PMR also contribute to the creations of sub-simulations in NPMR – in the form of 'gods' and 'guides' etc...

You know, a magician relies upon people believing in the reality of the simulation...even though they KNOW it is simulation, they want to be tricked – they want to see something float, disappear, defy physics etc...for entertainment.

As I have said in this thread, I have no conscious recollection of ever going to NPMR yet I fully understand that I do go there all the time...I choose to not remember because it is important that I am not unduly influenced by what I might experience there...in terms of my purpose here.

One day I will leave this mortal vessel and I want to be prepared.  There is data which suggests that all is not as it should be, the more I interact with those who report back here of their experiences there – something is not quiet right.

Through the data I have obtained it seems that there is a force or energy/entities which are and have been actively usurping the Astral through manipulating the physical through the belief systems of human beings throughout the ages.
It seems that the nature of Astral is that instant manifestation is par for the course – individual abilities and I have mentioned the possibility that these entities know they are creations of human belief systems, but they want the illusion to be permanent and to be seen as 'the creators' rather than the created.

There is also some indication that this state of affairs is changing – there are more individuals 'wising up' to this and reformatting – ditching belief altogether.
There are entities who are not creation of human belief systems...they are for all intent and purpose WHO WE ARE – Tom calls these IUOCs but they are veiled – their reality is veiled because our beliefs have allowed for this to happen...so the images we see are not true – they are products of our beliefs.

However – in relation to these IUOCs as presented and explained by the TOE he proclaims and wants to 'spread the word' about – they are going through this process of reincarnation over and over in an effort to reduce their entropy and increase their quality of consciousness data input/output.

This doesn't make a lot of sense in relation to this PMR – it is not really a practical way of getting to that goal of lowered entropy/higher QoC and certainly does not lend itself to problem solving – but it does lend itself to assisting the regurgitation of a looped system of which there is no real 'out' and where QoC remains low and unquestioning obedience to the looped system is assured...there are 'guides' purposefully with holding information – hiding info – on the grounds that we either won't understand it, or it will prove harmful to our development, and such other reasons...quiet similar to what we hear politicians and other leaders of followers give as reasons why things have to be kept secret.

The thing about 'free will' and 'intent' is that both are distorted if decisions are made while not being fully informed...if we choose something based on limited information, and trust the bearers/with holders of said information...we place ourselves under the rule of those entities on a faith basis and are not their equals, either in their eyes or our own.

So my purpose has developed over the course of this life package experience...to expose, to get to the truth, to uncover, to investigate, to join all the data, to get the clearest picture possible, and to share my data without purposely hiding any of it...