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That's interesting, when you look at a photograph does it has etheric ghosts and things in it or do pictures filter out the astral stuff?

Can you look at people and tell things about them that others can't?

Sentential how did you get your eye to open permanently?

When my third eye is open, for me it's like looking though my normal eyes not like a single eye in my forehead. Many times I only have energy to open one astral eye and I watch the astral eyelid wavering up and down as it runs out of energy and I lose it.

Wow!

Thanks a lot, I'll certainly go through your routine and see if I can come up with any improvements. I like your approach to selectively control specific parts of the brain, I haven't tried to do anything much more than mindblanks and counting breaths. Your ideas sound like they'll help me get to the next level.

Wasn't it the CEO at Sun Micro that said privacy is dead? He's more right than he realises.

Hi omega, it's true that you can copyright specific wordings for things but you can't copyright ideas or procedures. Here's a link that explains it:

http://www.bitlaw.com/copyright/unprotected.html

quote:
As stated in the Copyright Act:

In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work.

[On the reversed double]

On the reversed double
So maybe it's like your physical body and your etheric double have magnetic polarities and when you project but don't do anything because you don't know you projected, the double's north pole repels the physical body's north pole and it twists on the cord. Same with the south pole since opposites repel.

If that's the case then it doesn't have much to do with your RTZ representation or the Earth's field.

There have been a lot of times when I was relaxing trying to OBE and it felt like I was spinning, maybe that's where your double has been created because of your intent to project. Because I don't have the mental control to transfer awareness to it, it just sits there and spins, giving me twirling sensations as I slowly try to acquire access to it.


On third eye opening
Probably everyone gets third eye openings from time to time when they wake up, it's really a matter of paying attention to what's going on when you wake. Don't move when you wake, just become aware of what you're sensing from your body, you may have projected without knowing it or have the transparent eyelid effect.

Unless people are specifically looking to see if their 3rd eye is open, they'll probably never know it.

My 3rd eye opens erratically, but here are some things that seem to affect it:

1.) Using the interrupted sleep technique

2.) Working out the night or day before is pretty good energy work for me

3.) Taking a shower before bed helps to wash away negativity and make for less resistance for astral experiences

4.) If I meditate during the day during your afternoon REM cycle and then sleep for an hour I sometimes wake up with an open 3rd eye. This tends to screw up my nighttime sleep cycle however.

Zonmezz, could you please tell us what you do to try to open yor 3rd eye and get the blue vision? You probably know better things to do than I do. In my specific case it wasn't because of 360 degree wraparound vision, although it could be the case of other people. For me everything looked normal, about 160 degree vision but also my head was where my feet should have been so 360 vision wouldn't have affected that.

Sampson, don't know for sure but I would guess the papers you saw were RTZ residue, maybe someone who used to live in your room had them there and so the impression of their presence is still hanging around.

Two things that I've found that limit the time for a projection are your energy level and how much you control your imagination. I've found that if I start materializing imaginary things I lose the connection to the experience. If I stop and just observe for a bit I solidify the connection and stay longer.

upstream, how come the double gets rotated exactly 180 degrees? I can understand that it would be natural for the double to float around a little and get skewed after a while, but it's not clear why it consistently settles in the opposite position.

Almost 2 am here, as usual I can't sleep. Thanks for your suggestion, I'll go lay down in bed and do NEW and maybe it'll put me to sleep.

I wonder if the phrase 'monkey on your back' is a subconscious reference to hitchhikers?

Wow, what exactly do you do with your mind to project like that? Are you doing a mindblank or daydreaming or focusing on something?

The other day I went underground and it was dark and I got lost. Without reference points it's just solid rock. Maybe if you experiment using different types of sight or unusual ways to sensing your surroundings you would be able to explore it.

If you find out a way to explore underground let us know! I'm subscribing to this thread.

http://www.robertpeterson.org/obebook.html

I remember as a kid I would cup my hands together and sort of expect to be able to make a ball of light. I was never very surprised that I didn't make one but now I come here and read about people making energy balls like that I have to wonder if I wasn't actually remembering something from a past life or whatever.

Maybe, maybe not. But it's definitely the kind of idea that gets deprogrammed from a kid pretty fast by teachers, parents, and closed minded astral pulse moderators.

I've had two experiences since I moved here, one was an actual projection while I was sleeping with my head to the south. The other was this one, and it created my double with the head to the south. It could be that it's easier for a double to be created facing south.

However, on this page Robert Peterson says that he has had the most projections while west.

http://www.robertpeterson.org/chap23.html

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I have my best luck when my body is pointing West. I have my worst luck when my body is pointing North

But it really doesn't explain why your double would get created backwards, does anyone else have ideas?

No need to worry about details like whether you see bodies in the RTZ. At my old place I was able to see my body after projecting because several people had seen me sleeping there and so the astral imprint was strong.

However at my new place no one has seen me asleep in my bed so when I look at myself I don't see anything there.

The RTZ is sort of like an akashic record of peoples' collective impressions of things, it's not at all a perfect mirror of the way things really are in the physical.

I used to have dreams a lot where I was in a car and the brakes were too soft and wouldn't stop the car. I'd be drving over cliffs and into oceans and so forth. They tended to happen when I felt overwhelmed in physical life.

I usually get vibrations with paralysis but not always.

SD,
I've got some more questions, should I wait until you've answered the current ones or would you rather I just post them now?

I'm glad you're doing this mediation, this is the most enjoyable thread on the site!

Lol, hey maybe in a past life you made this one:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/egyptians/pyramid_gallery_05.shtml

Stuart Wilde has written about clouds of light hanging up in the peaks of the ceiling in churches where the positive etheric energy of prayers gets caught. Maybe your pyramid somehow helps to collect positive energy for you?

I'm not sure I understand your technique well enough to actually do it.

Here's what I've been trying to do, can you tell me what I need to change?

I do 5 or 6 sets of 20 deep breaths to raise vibrations, then lay down and try to relax for an OBE. However when I relax I lose the vibrations and can't separate.

Either paralysis or a combination of relaxation and vibrations would be enough for me to OBE, but I'm not sure how to get to those at will.

Please let us know how it goes. BTW a pyramid has 4 sides and a bottom.

Boats, how did you get the idea of making a pyramid over your bed? Was it an actual physical pyramid?

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Does anyone know of biofeedback equipment that detects when you're having REM sleep and then wakes you up?

I made an HTML page that you can use as an alarm clock. At the given time it plays 10 seconds of music, you can download it from:

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If you've got a laptop or an extra computer you can put it in your bedroom with the alarm page opened in Internet Explorer.


I was thinking about the fact that I couldn't see my body very well during the projection. I think it's because I just moved here and no one has seen me asleep in my bed, so there astral imprint of my sleeping body isn't strong here. However at my old place people had seen me sleeping and so I was able to see myself in bed after exiting.

Strangely I've only been able to project on my side or stomach. I can't go to sleep on my back and maybe there's a connection.

Boats, if you come over to thank me please pull me out of body!

Are you using interrupted sleep to get paralysis or are you able to get paralysis just from waking up normally in the morning?

I've been trying to get it so I go to bed at 10 and get woken up at 3 so I can try for paralysis, but I've had insomnia and can't go to sleep until about 2:30. If you have a way to go paralysed from waking up normally that would be a huge shortcut for me.